The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    dignin said:
    jeffbr said:
    As far as I can tell Hillary is playing right into Putin's hand by dividing the party and enabling the GOP and Trump. Hillary needs to STFU. She is irrelevant and only exists to divide at this point. 

    Tulsi polling around 1%. I highly doubt this is dividing anyone.

    She was right about a lot of things back in 2016 Russian related and I think she's on point here.

    I think she is doing a service nipping this stuff in the bud now. Shedding light on it now and getting it over with before the election is smart. If Tulsi did run 3rd party in the general it would be way more damaging.


    Agreed.  I think her comments had a purpose.  She's putting people on guard.  People aren't going to flock to Trump because Tulsi took a punch. 
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    I agree that Tulsi running 3rd party would be worse, and she wouldn't have my vote. I'm voting for whichever Dem is polling highest or gets the nomination. But the in fighting and inter-party sniping is counterproductive. Especially from a has-been. 
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,379
    jeffbr said:
    I agree that Tulsi running 3rd party would be worse, and she wouldn't have my vote. I'm voting for whichever Dem is polling highest or gets the nomination. But the in fighting and inter-party sniping is counterproductive. Especially from a has-been. 
    Agreed. Exact same tactic of dividing the nation with propaganda that Russia used in 2016, regardless of Gabbard's standing.
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  • mickeyrat
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    outside interference aside, to what degree has she accepted responsibility for certain campaign decisions?
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  • Jason P
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    mickeyrat said:
    outside interference aside, to what degree has she accepted responsibility for certain campaign decisions?

    We know she will have some snippet that she took responsibility somewhere tucked away in a manila folder with "remember to smile on camera!" written in a red sharpie on it in case someone asks.  Standard operating procedure for the old guard.
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  • mrussel1
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    Jason P said:
    mickeyrat said:
    outside interference aside, to what degree has she accepted responsibility for certain campaign decisions?

    We know she will have some snippet that she took responsibility somewhere tucked away in a manila folder with "remember to smile on camera!" written in a red sharpie on it in case someone asks.  Standard operating procedure for the old guard.
    What's the "old guard"?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    mickeyrat said:
    outside interference aside, to what degree has she accepted responsibility for certain campaign decisions?
    Perhaps they have not read the book. Hillary Clinton blames herself at least 35 times in What Happened. She apologizes for her mistakes, she apologizes for not apologizing, she even reports past apologies for mistakes she’d made before becoming the Democratic party candidate.

    https://qz.com/1077873/hillary-clinton-book-how-many-times-clinton-apologized-in-what-happened/
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    outside interference aside, to what degree has she accepted responsibility for certain campaign decisions?
    Perhaps they have not read the book. Hillary Clinton blames herself at least 35 times in What Happened. She apologizes for her mistakes, she apologizes for not apologizing, she even reports past apologies for mistakes she’d made before becoming the Democratic party candidate.

    https://qz.com/1077873/hillary-clinton-book-how-many-times-clinton-apologized-in-what-happened/
    Hillary hate narrative not grounded in reality.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    I was going to say, she took full responsibility for her loss in her book. it's there in black and white. just because she also knows and perpetuates the fact that russia interfered, she knows and stated it was her fault that she lost. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    How many initiatives will be paid by the "wealth tax"?  They seem to be adding up quickly.  Warren is also promising to communicate how she intends to pay for M4A.  
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/10/21/elizabeth-warren-calls-billions-new-dollars-reform-prek-schools-fight-privatization-heres-how-she-plans-pay-it/
  • mrussel1
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    Pete, making a move.  
    Iowa..


  • cincybearcat
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    I was going to say, she took full responsibility for her loss in her book. it's there in black and white. just because she also knows and perpetuates the fact that russia interfered, she knows and stated it was her fault that she lost. 
    Yup, if you buy her book and give her $ she'll apologize to you.  ;)


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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    cincybearcat said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    I was going to say, she took full responsibility for her loss in her book. it's there in black and white. just because she also knows and perpetuates the fact that russia interfered, she knows and stated it was her fault that she lost. 
    Yup, if you buy her book and give her $ she'll apologize to you.  ;)


    LMAO
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  • cincybearcat
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    mrussel1 said:
    How many initiatives will be paid by the "wealth tax"?  They seem to be adding up quickly.  Warren is also promising to communicate how she intends to pay for M4A.  
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/10/21/elizabeth-warren-calls-billions-new-dollars-reform-prek-schools-fight-privatization-heres-how-she-plans-pay-it/
    That's the problem.  So much being paid by the "rich" that the definition of "rich" will keep dropping.  I know I'm going to end up paying for a lot of your freeloaders!
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  • mickeyrat
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    cincybearcat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    How many initiatives will be paid by the "wealth tax"?  They seem to be adding up quickly.  Warren is also promising to communicate how she intends to pay for M4A.  
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2019/10/21/elizabeth-warren-calls-billions-new-dollars-reform-prek-schools-fight-privatization-heres-how-she-plans-pay-it/
    That's the problem.  So much being paid by the "rich" that the definition of "rich" will keep dropping.  I know I'm going to end up paying for a lot of your freeloaders!
    recall hearing she would tax stock trading? each transaction gets dinged like 25 cents or something?
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  • mickeyrat
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    so, thought struck me that trading in stocks is risk taking, yes? like gambling. gambling winnings get taxed . dont think losses can be written off. so tax it like gambling....
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  • cincybearcat
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    mickeyrat said:
    so, thought struck me that trading in stocks is risk taking, yes? like gambling. gambling winnings get taxed . dont think losses can be written off. so tax it like gambling....
    I could see Taxing transaction for stocks held less than a certain period of time. Daytrader tax
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  • mickeyrat
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    cincybearcat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    so, thought struck me that trading in stocks is risk taking, yes? like gambling. gambling winnings get taxed . dont think losses can be written off. so tax it like gambling....
    I could see Taxing transaction for stocks held less than a certain period of time. Daytrader tax
    how would that work? focus on the daytrading sites? what period of time would you be okay with?
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  • ikiT
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    mrussel1 said:
    Pete, making a move.  
    Iowa..


    Tommy TV ADS Steyer.  I don't live in Iowa but three solid months of that guy on the local TV?  Ew.
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  • mrussel1
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    ikiT said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Pete, making a move.  
    Iowa..


    Tommy TV ADS Steyer.  I don't live in Iowa but three solid months of that guy on the local TV?  Ew.
    What do you have against Steyer?  He puts his own money where his mouth is.  
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