I don't get why people are so fucking scared of taxing a minuscule percentage of society who have gobs of it to be taxed and won't even notice.
people have no fucking idea what real socialism is.
M4A is not a tiny % of the population, it will have to be almost all of the current tax paying population. For the other ones that are "wealth tax" or "wall street tax", well for one lots of normal people trade stocks either directly or through the movement of their 401(k) assets. It's not clear to me whether those are in scope or not. There's also a skepticism (at least by me) that these programs will be limited in payment to just that 1%. I don't know that the math works.
Last, I'm completely against waiving student loans and making all college free. That's about the least progressive idea that I've seen from a Democrat in a long, long time.
I'm talking about her wealth tax. the amount of people who have a household income of $50M is pretty minuscule, as is the amount it would affect them.
I feel like she's used that tax to pay for half the stuff she has proposed, so to me, right now it's fairly meaningless. It feels like a way to demonize the rich. I couple that with Bernie's declaration that billionaires should not exist, which is dangerous rhetoric to me. I think the obvious result of this tax will be a massive capital flight from the US, making the money not even subject to capital gains or any other type of current progressive tax. But I feel like you're separating this specific tax from teh rest of her proposals. I don't think you can do that. When you vote for the person, you're voting for all of the proposals on the table, including M4A.
I'm not afraid of the tax itself I'm afraid ideas like that create more republican presidents.
I believe the USA is behind many other nation that have more adequate safety nets.
But expecting to convert the current care system to M4A in one step is not practical nor realistic. And a majority of voters have never asked for that.
I think warren has about $8 trillion in new govt programs she is campaigning for. That almost certainly will get us more trump not more govt.
I wish it was only 8 trillion. Bernie's estimate for M4A in 2016 was 13 trillion. Most indy estimates are well into the 20's. This is over a decade.
I don't get why people are so fucking scared of taxing a minuscule percentage of society who have gobs of it to be taxed and won't even notice.
people have no fucking idea what real socialism is.
M4A is not a tiny % of the population, it will have to be almost all of the current tax paying population. For the other ones that are "wealth tax" or "wall street tax", well for one lots of normal people trade stocks either directly or through the movement of their 401(k) assets. It's not clear to me whether those are in scope or not. There's also a skepticism (at least by me) that these programs will be limited in payment to just that 1%. I don't know that the math works.
Last, I'm completely against waiving student loans and making all college free. That's about the least progressive idea that I've seen from a Democrat in a long, long time.
I'm talking about her wealth tax. the amount of people who have a household income of $50M is pretty minuscule, as is the amount it would affect them.
I feel like she's used that tax to pay for half the stuff she has proposed, so to me, right now it's fairly meaningless. It feels like a way to demonize the rich. I couple that with Bernie's declaration that billionaires should not exist, which is dangerous rhetoric to me. I think the obvious result of this tax will be a massive capital flight from the US, making the money not even subject to capital gains or any other type of current progressive tax. But I feel like you're separating this specific tax from teh rest of her proposals. I don't think you can do that. When you vote for the person, you're voting for all of the proposals on the table, including M4A.
i can't talk about specific issues? news to me.
That's not a personal shot. My point is that you're saying "I don't get why people are so fucking scared of taxing a minuscule percentage of society who have gobs of it to be taxed and won't even notice.". But we're not voting on this issue. We're voting on the aggregation of her policies and this is just one of them.
I am aware that we vote on multiple issues. I was only commenting on that ONE. I have no idea why are saying one aspect of a platform can't or shouldn't be addressed.
I don't get why people are so fucking scared of taxing a minuscule percentage of society who have gobs of it to be taxed and won't even notice.
people have no fucking idea what real socialism is.
M4A is not a tiny % of the population, it will have to be almost all of the current tax paying population. For the other ones that are "wealth tax" or "wall street tax", well for one lots of normal people trade stocks either directly or through the movement of their 401(k) assets. It's not clear to me whether those are in scope or not. There's also a skepticism (at least by me) that these programs will be limited in payment to just that 1%. I don't know that the math works.
Last, I'm completely against waiving student loans and making all college free. That's about the least progressive idea that I've seen from a Democrat in a long, long time.
I'm talking about her wealth tax. the amount of people who have a household income of $50M is pretty minuscule, as is the amount it would affect them.
I feel like she's used that tax to pay for half the stuff she has proposed, so to me, right now it's fairly meaningless. It feels like a way to demonize the rich. I couple that with Bernie's declaration that billionaires should not exist, which is dangerous rhetoric to me. I think the obvious result of this tax will be a massive capital flight from the US, making the money not even subject to capital gains or any other type of current progressive tax. But I feel like you're separating this specific tax from teh rest of her proposals. I don't think you can do that. When you vote for the person, you're voting for all of the proposals on the table, including M4A.
i can't talk about specific issues? news to me.
That's not a personal shot. My point is that you're saying "I don't get why people are so fucking scared of taxing a minuscule percentage of society who have gobs of it to be taxed and won't even notice.". But we're not voting on this issue. We're voting on the aggregation of her policies and this is just one of them.
I am aware that we vote on multiple issues. I was only commenting on that ONE. I have no idea why are saying one aspect of a platform can't or shouldn't be addressed.
Okay then why do you say "people are so scared" of the wealth tax? In polling, that particular issue has over 70% approval. And in a country of 300 million divided people, anything that polls in the 70's is pretty overwhelming. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt of talking about broader issues, but now I'm confused about your entire point. I hope you don't expect 99%.
I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted.
Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing. Their escalating price tags is a problem.
I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted.
Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing. Their escalating price tags is a problem.
Correct. I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate. (Not that it matters in nj)
I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted.
Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing. Their escalating price tags is a problem.
Correct. I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate. (Not that it matters in nj)
Yeah but in swing states, that'll be Tulsi getting 4% so Trump can scoop up 100% of the electoral votes
I don't get why people are so fucking scared of taxing a minuscule percentage of society who have gobs of it to be taxed and won't even notice.
people have no fucking idea what real socialism is.
M4A is not a tiny % of the population, it will have to be almost all of the current tax paying population. For the other ones that are "wealth tax" or "wall street tax", well for one lots of normal people trade stocks either directly or through the movement of their 401(k) assets. It's not clear to me whether those are in scope or not. There's also a skepticism (at least by me) that these programs will be limited in payment to just that 1%. I don't know that the math works.
Last, I'm completely against waiving student loans and making all college free. That's about the least progressive idea that I've seen from a Democrat in a long, long time.
I'm talking about her wealth tax. the amount of people who have a household income of $50M is pretty minuscule, as is the amount it would affect them.
I feel like she's used that tax to pay for half the stuff she has proposed, so to me, right now it's fairly meaningless. It feels like a way to demonize the rich. I couple that with Bernie's declaration that billionaires should not exist, which is dangerous rhetoric to me. I think the obvious result of this tax will be a massive capital flight from the US, making the money not even subject to capital gains or any other type of current progressive tax. But I feel like you're separating this specific tax from teh rest of her proposals. I don't think you can do that. When you vote for the person, you're voting for all of the proposals on the table, including M4A.
I'm not afraid of the tax itself I'm afraid ideas like that create more republican presidents.
I believe the USA is behind many other nation that have more adequate safety nets.
But expecting to convert the current care system to M4A in one step is not practical nor realistic. And a majority of voters have never asked for that.
I think warren has about $8 trillion in new govt programs she is campaigning for. That almost certainly will get us more trump not more govt.
I wish it was only 8 trillion. Bernie's estimate for M4A in 2016 was 13 trillion. Most indy estimates are well into the 20's. This is over a decade.
I am hoping the 13 trillion is some 10 year budgetary estimate. The study Biden keeps citing is 32 trillion over 10 years for m4a.
I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted.
Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing. Their escalating price tags is a problem.
I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted.
Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing. Their escalating price tags is a problem.
I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted.
Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing. Their escalating price tags is a problem.
I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted.
Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing. Their escalating price tags is a problem.
For moderates.
Do you consider yourself far to the left?
I don’t consider myself much of anything.
I ask not what my country can do for me nor what I can do for my country.
I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted.
Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing. Their escalating price tags is a problem.
Correct. I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate. (Not that it matters in nj)
jfc not this shit again
We are a two party system
Voting third party reflects a complete ignorance of how our government is set up
It's not edgy or cool or a protest. It's flat out ignorant.
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I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted.
Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing. Their escalating price tags is a problem.
Correct. I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate. (Not that it matters in nj)
jfc not this shit again
We are a two party system
Voting third party reflects a complete ignorance of how our government is set up
It's not edgy or cool or a protest. It's flat out ignorant.
Lol. I always love the holier than thou attitude and ignorant assumptions by some people. Thanks for telling me how to vote.
I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted.
Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing. Their escalating price tags is a problem.
Correct. I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate. (Not that it matters in nj)
jfc not this shit again
We are a two party system
Voting third party reflects a complete ignorance of how our government is set up
It's not edgy or cool or a protest. It's flat out ignorant.
Lol. I always love the holier than thou attitude and ignorant assumptions by some people. Thanks for telling me how to vote.
It's not holier than thou, or making assumptions.
Grass is green, sky is blue, USA has a two party political system. It's really not up for debate.
Voting third party is like buying a vowel on Jeopardy. You don't even deserve a participation ribbon.
WI 6/27/98 WI 10/8/00 MO 10/11/00 IL 4/23/03 MN 6/26/06 MN 6/27/06 WI 6/30/06 IL 8/5/07 IL 8/21/08 (EV) IL 8/22/08 (EV) IL 8/23/09 IL 8/24/09 IN 5/7/10 IL 6/28/11 (EV) IL 6/29/11 (EV) WI 9/3/11 WI 9/4/11 IL 7/19/13 NE 10/09/14 IL 10/17/14 MN 10/19/14 FL 4/11/16 IL 8/20/16 IL 8/22/16 IL 08/18/18 IL 08/20/18 IT 07/05/2020AT 07/07/2020
I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted.
Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing. Their escalating price tags is a problem.
Correct. I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate. (Not that it matters in nj)
jfc not this shit again
We are a two party system
Voting third party reflects a complete ignorance of how our government is set up
It's not edgy or cool or a protest. It's flat out ignorant.
Lol. I always love the holier than thou attitude and ignorant assumptions by some people. Thanks for telling me how to vote.
It's not holier than thou, or making assumptions.
Grass is green, sky is blue, USA has a two party political system. It's really not up for debate.
Voting third party is like buying a vowel on Jeopardy. You don't even deserve a participation ribbon.
So if people don't like either candidate then they should stay home and not vote?
I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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Here's what I think: I think far left (or as I'm beginning to see it, because they're not really left, they're just bat-shit crazy, the "out-to-lunch" Democrats) are doing their damnedest to get me to swing to the right. I won't, but the nonsense the uber-left is shoving down our throats is crazy making.
Besides those Maher talks about in the video, here's another example of left going over that fence into the bleachers:
Earlier this week, one of our local cops (a hell of a nice guy and damn good cop) was killed- shot dead by a couple of illegal immigrants working on an illegal pot farm. Our local Sheriff D'Agostini reached out to a grieving community as a result of this shooting but was then told by our uber-left total flake of a governor, Gov. Newsom, that D'Agostini is not allowed to contact U.S. Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE) to find out more about the immigration statuses of both suspects because our state is a sanctuary state. Oh, so we provide sanctuary for killers. Right. Got it.
Now all this does not mean that I am really going to swing right and become a Republican or a Trump supporter. But I might consider finding another, more sane planet to live on.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Bri we are starting to see this crazy Uber left craze here in New Jersey. Our governor wants us to be the California of the east. It is terrible. And that was a great watch! No way in hell should the Boston bomber be allowed to vote. What utter nonsense.
I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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Bri we are starting to see this crazy Uber left craze here in New Jersey. Our governor wants us to be the California of the east. It is terrible. And that was a great watch! No way in hell should the Boston bomber be allowed to vote. What utter nonsense.
No kidding! What is Sanders thinking? The wheels have come off!
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Here's what I think: I think far left (or as I'm beginning to see it, because they're not really left, they're just bat-shit crazy, the "out-to-lunch" Democrats) are doing their damnedest to get me to swing to the right. I won't, but the nonsense the uber-left is shoving down our throats is crazy making.
Besides those Maher talks about in the video, here's another example of left going over that fence into the bleachers:
Earlier this week, one of our local cops (a hell of a nice guy and damn good cop) was killed- shot dead by a couple of illegal immigrants working on an illegal pot farm. Our local Sheriff D'Agostini reached out to a grieving community as a result of this shooting but was then told by our uber-left total flake of a governor, Gov. Newsom, that D'Agostini is not allowed to contact U.S. Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE) to find out more about the immigration statuses of both suspects because our state is a sanctuary state. Oh, so we provide sanctuary for killers. Right. Got it.
Now all this does not mean that I am really going to swing right and become a Republican or a Trump supporter. But I might consider finding another, more sane planet to live on.
so where then does newsome stand on illegal grows(cartel grows given the plot tenders)? and I may be wrong but I thought sancuary cities/state was meant to protect the otherwise law abiding undocumented persons when reporting crime against them. plus some other protections?
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I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted.
Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing. Their escalating price tags is a problem.
Correct. I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate. (Not that it matters in nj)
jfc not this shit again
We are a two party system
Voting third party reflects a complete ignorance of how our government is set up
It's not edgy or cool or a protest. It's flat out ignorant.
Lol. I always love the holier than thou attitude and ignorant assumptions by some people. Thanks for telling me how to vote.
It's not holier than thou, or making assumptions.
Grass is green, sky is blue, USA has a two party political system. It's really not up for debate.
Voting third party is like buying a vowel on Jeopardy. You don't even deserve a participation ribbon.
So if people don't like either candidate then they should stay home and not vote?
False dilemma : A fallacy of oversimplification that offers a limited number of options (usually two) when in reality more options are available. Also known as the either-or fallacy, the fallacy of the excluded middle, and the black and white fallacy.
If people don't like either candidate, they should get the fence post out of their ass and realize one candidate is clearly a better option than the other.
That candidate is nearly always a Democrat. By any and every metric, the Democratic party has outperformed the GOP.
Prove me wrong. Or sit down and shut up.
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I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted.
Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing. Their escalating price tags is a problem.
Correct. I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate. (Not that it matters in nj)
jfc not this shit again
We are a two party system
Voting third party reflects a complete ignorance of how our government is set up
It's not edgy or cool or a protest. It's flat out ignorant.
Lol. I always love the holier than thou attitude and ignorant assumptions by some people. Thanks for telling me how to vote.
It's not holier than thou, or making assumptions.
Grass is green, sky is blue, USA has a two party political system. It's really not up for debate.
Voting third party is like buying a vowel on Jeopardy. You don't even deserve a participation ribbon.
So if people don't like either candidate then they should stay home and not vote?
False dilemma : A fallacy of oversimplification that offers a limited number of options (usually two) when in reality more options are available. Also known as the either-or fallacy, the fallacy of the excluded middle, and the black and white fallacy.
If people don't like either candidate, they should get the fence post out of their ass and realize one candidate is clearly a better option than the other.
That candidate is nearly always a Democrat. By any and every metric, the Democratic party has outperformed the GOP.
Prove me wrong. Or sit down and shut up.
I see you that you are unable to have a normal Rationale conversation. Moving on.
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Yeah but in swing states, that'll be Tulsi getting 4% so Trump can scoop up 100% of the electoral votes
I am hoping the 13 trillion is some 10 year budgetary estimate. The study Biden keeps citing is 32 trillion over 10 years for m4a.
We are a two party system
Voting third party reflects a complete ignorance of how our government is set up
It's not edgy or cool or a protest. It's flat out ignorant.
Grass is green, sky is blue, USA has a two party political system. It's really not up for debate.
Voting third party is like buying a vowel on Jeopardy. You don't even deserve a participation ribbon.
And that was a great watch! No way in hell should the Boston bomber be allowed to vote. What utter nonsense.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
False dilemma :
A fallacy of oversimplification that offers a limited number of options (usually two) when in reality more options are available. Also known as the either-or fallacy, the fallacy of the excluded middle, and the black and white fallacy.
If people don't like either candidate, they should get the fence post out of their ass and realize one candidate is clearly a better option than the other.
That candidate is nearly always a Democrat. By any and every metric, the Democratic party has outperformed the GOP.
Prove me wrong. Or sit down and shut up.
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