The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    ikiT said:
    I don't care who it is.   They get my vote.
    They stomp Trump or Pence or whoever those complicit fucks march out there.
    Warren or Buttigieg will be a losing battle so don't be so quick to ask for anyone.
    Why would you lump Pete in with Warren?
    Easy targets to exploit.
    But why? He's a moderate war veteran.

    I think he'd be a great candidate to go against a draft dodging corrupt as fuck monster. Warren would, even if she calls herself a capitalist (which i liked), easily be labeled as a socialist who is going to raise everyone's taxes. Not going to play well in the swing states. 
    Buttigieg is gay and is an easy target.  I would love to be proven wrong as he is very likeable and checks a lot of boxes.

    After Trump's coming up I don't see him going very far.  America can be ugly sometimes.
    That doesn't mean that the solution is to cave in to that and choose a candidate as straight, male and lily-white as they come, just to avoid annoying the deplorables. 
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  • ikiT said:
    I don't care who it is.   They get my vote.
    They stomp Trump or Pence or whoever those complicit fucks march out there.
    Warren or Buttigieg will be a losing battle so don't be so quick to ask for anyone.
    Why would you lump Pete in with Warren?
    Easy targets to exploit.
    But why? He's a moderate war veteran.

    I think he'd be a great candidate to go against a draft dodging corrupt as fuck monster. Warren would, even if she calls herself a capitalist (which i liked), easily be labeled as a socialist who is going to raise everyone's taxes. Not going to play well in the swing states. 
    Buttigieg is gay and is an easy target.  I would love to be proven wrong as he is very likeable and checks a lot of boxes.

    After Trump's coming up I don't see him going very far.  America can be ugly sometimes.
    That doesn't mean that the solution is to cave in to that and choose a candidate as straight, male and lily-white as they come, just to avoid annoying the deplorables. 
    I agree, most other people would not.

    See my last sentence again.
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    ikiT said:
    I don't care who it is.   They get my vote.
    They stomp Trump or Pence or whoever those complicit fucks march out there.
    Warren or Buttigieg will be a losing battle so don't be so quick to ask for anyone.
    Why would you lump Pete in with Warren?
    Easy targets to exploit.
    But why? He's a moderate war veteran.

    I think he'd be a great candidate to go against a draft dodging corrupt as fuck monster. Warren would, even if she calls herself a capitalist (which i liked), easily be labeled as a socialist who is going to raise everyone's taxes. Not going to play well in the swing states. 
    Buttigieg is gay and is an easy target.  I would love to be proven wrong as he is very likeable and checks a lot of boxes.

    After Trump's coming up I don't see him going very far.  America can be ugly sometimes.
    That doesn't mean that the solution is to cave in to that and choose a candidate as straight, male and lily-white as they come, just to avoid annoying the deplorables. 
    I agree, most other people would not.

    See my last sentence again.

    I read all of the sentences.

    I don't believe that "most other people" would disagree with my comment. Some, yes, but most? No.

    I don't believe that the answer is to always cave in and take the safe path, which in this case seems to be seen as Biden. 

    If the US isn't ready at this point for a female or LGBTQ president then it's probably never going to be. 
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927


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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited October 2019
    CM189191 said:


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    Ha, a big NOPE to the second picture.  Just because it rhymes does not mean it is a good idea.
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  • ikiT said:
    I don't care who it is.   They get my vote.
    They stomp Trump or Pence or whoever those complicit fucks march out there.
    Warren or Buttigieg will be a losing battle so don't be so quick to ask for anyone.
    Why would you lump Pete in with Warren?
    Easy targets to exploit.
    But why? He's a moderate war veteran.

    I think he'd be a great candidate to go against a draft dodging corrupt as fuck monster. Warren would, even if she calls herself a capitalist (which i liked), easily be labeled as a socialist who is going to raise everyone's taxes. Not going to play well in the swing states. 
    Buttigieg is gay and is an easy target.  I would love to be proven wrong as he is very likeable and checks a lot of boxes.

    After Trump's coming up I don't see him going very far.  America can be ugly sometimes.
    That doesn't mean that the solution is to cave in to that and choose a candidate as straight, male and lily-white as they come, just to avoid annoying the deplorables. 
    I agree, most other people would not.

    See my last sentence again.

    I read all of the sentences.

    I don't believe that "most other people" would disagree with my comment. Some, yes, but most? No.

    I don't believe that the answer is to always cave in and take the safe path, which in this case seems to be seen as Biden. 

    If the US isn't ready at this point for a female or LGBTQ president then it's probably never going to be. 
    All the above was how Trump got elected.
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    dankind said:

    Lol, “You have a great gift for Rhyme”
  • I'm digging Liz these days. 
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,636
    I'm digging Liz these days. 
    Really? She has vim and vigor and a skilled debater, but her decisions on the dna test and to go hard left in healthcare during the Trumponian era are very weak decisions imo.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,579
    I find it interesting that folks would vote against based on a policy stance. seemingly without considering if that policy would actually be implemented given the political climate.

    shoot for the moon, accept something short of that, like public option........
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,636
    mickeyrat said:
    I find it interesting that folks would vote against based on a policy stance. seemingly without considering if that policy would actually be implemented given the political climate.

    shoot for the moon, accept something short of that, like public option........


    Public option would be the  biggest domestic program available to everyone since...FDR?

    I am not sure I want to be forced onto govt controlled healthcare and certainly dont want to risk our one chance to take down trump on something Republicans will successfully argue as socialism during the campaign. 
  • I'm digging Liz these days. 
    Really? She has vim and vigor and a skilled debater, but her decisions on the dna test and to go hard left in healthcare during the Trumponian era are very weak decisions imo.
    the DNA test was a flop, yes. Why is her healthcare plan weak? you mean too socialist for the electorate to accept?
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    I'm digging Liz these days. 
    Really? She has vim and vigor and a skilled debater, but her decisions on the dna test and to go hard left in healthcare during the Trumponian era are very weak decisions imo.
    See I don't think that's true.  I feel like all of her answers start and end in the same place.  She ensures she includes:
    1. I have a plan for that
    2. Working class Americans
    3. Some form of wealth or Wall Street Tax

    But she refuses to admit to the tax that will be necessary for M4A because it has to hammer the middle class.  I find this a bit disingenuous. 

    Hey Lerx - I got a PM from Kat saying I could open a new Dem candidate thread since the other one was closed.  But if you're willing to just rename this one and have it encompass the race, that might make more sense.  
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,470
    mickeyrat said:
    I find it interesting that folks would vote against based on a policy stance. seemingly without considering if that policy would actually be implemented given the political climate.

    shoot for the moon, accept something short of that, like public option........


    Public option would be the  biggest domestic program available to everyone since...FDR?

    I am not sure I want to be forced onto govt controlled healthcare and certainly dont want to risk our one chance to take down trump on something Republicans will successfully argue as socialism during the campaign. 
    Even if you put costs aside, would people really want Trump (or someone like him) and his HHS impacting and overseeing their health care? That seems crazy to me. Look at how Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA already twist in the wind based on budgets and policy decisions. 
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    I find it interesting that folks would vote against based on a policy stance. seemingly without considering if that policy would actually be implemented given the political climate.

    shoot for the moon, accept something short of that, like public option........


    Public option would be the  biggest domestic program available to everyone since...FDR?

    I am not sure I want to be forced onto govt controlled healthcare and certainly dont want to risk our one chance to take down trump on something Republicans will successfully argue as socialism during the campaign. 
    Even if you put costs aside, would people really want Trump (or someone like him) and his HHS impacting and overseeing their health care? That seems crazy to me. Look at how Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA already twist in the wind based on budgets and policy decisions. 

    You know...not like our current health care system.  Totally stable and affordable for everyone.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    I find it interesting that folks would vote against based on a policy stance. seemingly without considering if that policy would actually be implemented given the political climate.

    shoot for the moon, accept something short of that, like public option........


    Public option would be the  biggest domestic program available to everyone since...FDR?

    I am not sure I want to be forced onto govt controlled healthcare and certainly dont want to risk our one chance to take down trump on something Republicans will successfully argue as socialism during the campaign. 
    Even if you put costs aside, would people really want Trump (or someone like him) and his HHS impacting and overseeing their health care? That seems crazy to me. Look at how Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA already twist in the wind based on budgets and policy decisions. 

    You know...not like our current health care system.  Totally stable and affordable for everyone.
    The VA offers terrible services and care.  It's actually public care and the gov't is horrible at it.  Medicare and medicaid rely on private doctors and hospitals, by and large.  
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,470
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    I find it interesting that folks would vote against based on a policy stance. seemingly without considering if that policy would actually be implemented given the political climate.

    shoot for the moon, accept something short of that, like public option........


    Public option would be the  biggest domestic program available to everyone since...FDR?

    I am not sure I want to be forced onto govt controlled healthcare and certainly dont want to risk our one chance to take down trump on something Republicans will successfully argue as socialism during the campaign. 
    Even if you put costs aside, would people really want Trump (or someone like him) and his HHS impacting and overseeing their health care? That seems crazy to me. Look at how Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA already twist in the wind based on budgets and policy decisions. 

    You know...not like our current health care system.  Totally stable and affordable for everyone.
    It's possible to make it worse. No concerns about a Republican president and Republican-controlled congress holding the purse strings on reproductive care?
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    pjl44 said:
    CM189191 said:
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    I find it interesting that folks would vote against based on a policy stance. seemingly without considering if that policy would actually be implemented given the political climate.

    shoot for the moon, accept something short of that, like public option........


    Public option would be the  biggest domestic program available to everyone since...FDR?

    I am not sure I want to be forced onto govt controlled healthcare and certainly dont want to risk our one chance to take down trump on something Republicans will successfully argue as socialism during the campaign. 
    Even if you put costs aside, would people really want Trump (or someone like him) and his HHS impacting and overseeing their health care? That seems crazy to me. Look at how Medicare, Medicaid, and the VA already twist in the wind based on budgets and policy decisions. 

    You know...not like our current health care system.  Totally stable and affordable for everyone.
    It's possible to make it worse. No concerns about a Republican president and Republican-controlled congress holding the purse strings on reproductive care?
    No.  Right now red states are fighting that battle.  Let them bring the fight to a federal / nationalized platform, it won't win.  
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    I don't think she's wrong.

    Hillary Clinton Appears to Claim Russians ‘Grooming’ Tulsi Gabbard to Run as Third-Party Candidate


    https://www.thedailybeast.com/hillary-clinton-appears-to-claim-russians-grooming-tulsi-gabbard-to-run-as-third-party-candidate?via=twitter_page
  • dignin said:
    I don't think she's wrong.

    Hillary Clinton Appears to Claim Russians ‘Grooming’ Tulsi Gabbard to Run as Third-Party Candidate


    https://www.thedailybeast.com/hillary-clinton-appears-to-claim-russians-grooming-tulsi-gabbard-to-run-as-third-party-candidate?via=twitter_page
    So if you don't think she's wrong, you must think she's right. And why is that? I ask because she doesn't give any sort of proof  in article you linked to. She just said "I think they’ve got their eye on someone who’s currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate. She’s the favorite of the Russians." 
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    dignin said:
    I don't think she's wrong.

    Hillary Clinton Appears to Claim Russians ‘Grooming’ Tulsi Gabbard to Run as Third-Party Candidate


    https://www.thedailybeast.com/hillary-clinton-appears-to-claim-russians-grooming-tulsi-gabbard-to-run-as-third-party-candidate?via=twitter_page
    So if you don't think she's wrong, you must think she's right. And why is that? I ask because she doesn't give any sort of proof  in article you linked to. She just said "I think they’ve got their eye on someone who’s currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate. She’s the favorite of the Russians." 
    There is plenty of evidence out there, as Hillary alludes to in the interview.

    A lot of Russian internet bots and traffic pushing her along. In similar fashion to 2016.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    dignin said:
    I don't think she's wrong.

    Hillary Clinton Appears to Claim Russians ‘Grooming’ Tulsi Gabbard to Run as Third-Party Candidate


    https://www.thedailybeast.com/hillary-clinton-appears-to-claim-russians-grooming-tulsi-gabbard-to-run-as-third-party-candidate?via=twitter_page
    So if you don't think she's wrong, you must think she's right. And why is that? I ask because she doesn't give any sort of proof  in article you linked to. She just said "I think they’ve got their eye on someone who’s currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate. She’s the favorite of the Russians." 
    I think she could be right.  Hillary points out the hypothesis that she has an outsized social media following and that they are,  may be,  could be bots.  I don't think Tulsi is inviting this or necessarily a willing participant, rather she would a target. 
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    dignin said:
    I don't think she's wrong.

    Hillary Clinton Appears to Claim Russians ‘Grooming’ Tulsi Gabbard to Run as Third-Party Candidate


    https://www.thedailybeast.com/hillary-clinton-appears-to-claim-russians-grooming-tulsi-gabbard-to-run-as-third-party-candidate?via=twitter_page
    So if you don't think she's wrong, you must think she's right. And why is that? I ask because she doesn't give any sort of proof  in article you linked to. She just said "I think they’ve got their eye on someone who’s currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate. She’s the favorite of the Russians." 

    here you go, proof https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/russia-s-propaganda-machine-discovers-2020-democratic-candidate-tulsi-gabbard-n964261
  • the problem, however, is the risk this poses to Tulsi. She is an active duty member, and many are taking this as she's a willing participant in Russian interference, not a patsy. that's dangerous shit. 
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    the problem, however, is the risk this poses to Tulsi. She is an active duty member, and many are taking this as she's a willing participant in Russian interference, not a patsy. that's dangerous shit. 
    She should drop out then.

    She polls around 0 to 1%

    Time to throw in the towel.
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  • dignin said:
    the problem, however, is the risk this poses to Tulsi. She is an active duty member, and many are taking this as she's a willing participant in Russian interference, not a patsy. that's dangerous shit. 
    She should drop out then.

    She polls around 0 to 1%

    Time to throw in the towel.
    she shouldn't drop out because someone else made a potentially dangerous accusation against her. But yes, polling at that amount at this point, she should definitely drop out because of that. 
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  • lexicondevillexicondevil Posts: 2,062
    edited October 2019
    Gotta really make you wonder why a POS like David Duke would repeatedly try to endorse Gabbard. 
    Also, it pains me that she is from Hawaii. I don't get any aloha spirit from her.
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