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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,116
    Jason P said:
    The GOP is practically ignoring Warren.  I take that as a sign that she either poses no threat to win the nomination or they are hoping she can take the lead and somehow win.
    Completely agree. They want her to be the nominee. They probably see her as a second-rate Hillary who will be easier to tie to socialism than Hillary was, has less resources (both financial and personal connections) than Hillary, and isn’t married to a popular former president like Hillary. 

    Wow do these 2 comments nail it. The GOP would LOVE Warren as the nominee. 

    Warren will be crucified by trump and he will be able to drag her down to his level by eviscerating her for her dishonesty.

    She really needs to stop lying before she drags the party down.
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    Don't sleep on Cory Booker.
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    dankinddankind I am not your foot. Posts: 20,827
    ikiT said:
    Don't sleep on Cory Booker.
    Unless you're Rosario Dawson.

    Even when he loses this nomination, he's a winner at life.

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    Booker 2020

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    darwinstheorydarwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 5,766
    Warren is not dodgy, she is dishonest.
    Pete and Corey are who I like most from this group....but media doesn't like them.
    Well well well...look at us on the same team here. At least with regard to Pete. Surely it may seem difficult to overlook my potential bias here, but I do not live in St. Joseph county, and this have never been able to vote for him. But the guy seems to check damn near every box given his small amount of air time. He is so well spoken and seems so genuine. I firmly believe if he had equal air time to Biden/Warren, that he would be much higher in the polls. Alas, as mentioned, the media is absolutely dictating who the top 2 or 3 candidates are. 

    I would love to see them narrow down the field to 4 candidates very soon and have Pete be in that group. I do believe that could change things. Unfortunately, I they when it is narrowed down, they will go to the medias 3. That said, I see strong potential for any of the 3 to take Pete as their running mate. The dude is sharp!
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,888
    ikiT said:
    Don't sleep on Cory Booker.
    People in new jersey don't like cory booker.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 30,625
    dankind said:
    ikiT said:
    Don't sleep on Cory Booker.
    Unless you're Rosario Dawson.

    Even when he loses this nomination, he's a winner at life.

    Rosario Dawson.
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    mcgruff10 said:
    ikiT said:
    Don't sleep on Cory Booker.
    People in new jersey don't like cory booker.  
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    Only way Dems win the election is with Biden.

    No other candidate is going to wield any power over the voters.

    There is also a lack of something new and fresh within the group.

    Just my .02
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    I don't care who it is.   They get my vote.
    They stomp Trump or Pence or whoever those complicit fucks march out there.
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    ikiT said:
    I don't care who it is.   They get my vote.
    They stomp Trump or Pence or whoever those complicit fucks march out there.
    Warren or Buttigieg will be a losing battle so don't be so quick to ask for anyone.
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    KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere. Posts: 4,772
    I didn't watch but saw a few clips. VP Joe sounded good this morning too. Soul-eater keeps taking aim at him because he's a threat to him. Not on my watch. I'll vote for the primary winner of course...experience is key to me. 
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    eddieceddiec Posts: 3,837
    edited October 2019
    ikiT said:
    I don't care who it is.   They get my vote.
    They stomp Trump or Pence or whoever those complicit fucks march out there.
    Warren or Buttigieg will be a losing battle so don't be so quick to ask for anyone.
    Buttigieg was in the military and he's from the midwest.
    Warren is infinitely smarter than Trump. I think she would make him look foolish in a debate.
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    eddiec said:
    ikiT said:
    I don't care who it is.   They get my vote.
    They stomp Trump or Pence or whoever those complicit fucks march out there.
    Warren or Buttigieg will be a losing battle so don't be so quick to ask for anyone.
    Buttigieg was in the military and he's from the midwest.
    Warren is infinitely smarter than Trump. I think she would make him look foolish in a debate.
    That is not what the rest of the US think and are easy targets for the Trump machine to expose.

    Beto lost out too when he claimed that he wanted to take your guns away.

    I liked Wang but he was also too radical a thinker.  Oh well.

    Vote for Joe!
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    Joe had a pretty good night.
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    darwinstheorydarwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 5,766
    eddiec said:
    ikiT said:
    I don't care who it is.   They get my vote.
    They stomp Trump or Pence or whoever those complicit fucks march out there.
    Warren or Buttigieg will be a losing battle so don't be so quick to ask for anyone.
    Buttigieg was in the military and he's from the midwest.
    Warren is infinitely smarter than Trump. I think she would make him look foolish in a debate.
    Even in his own state, or especially in his own state, I don't know that Buttigieg would win. Indiana is as red as trump is orange. It's getting better, but very slowly.

    Looking foolish has proven to be ineffective at stopping the angry orange monster. But we can sure hope!
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    eddiec said:
    ikiT said:
    I don't care who it is.   They get my vote.
    They stomp Trump or Pence or whoever those complicit fucks march out there.
    Warren or Buttigieg will be a losing battle so don't be so quick to ask for anyone.
    Buttigieg was in the military and he's from the midwest.
    Warren is infinitely smarter than Trump. I think she would make him look foolish in a debate.
    Even in his own state, or especially in his own state, I don't know that Buttigieg would win. Indiana is as red as trump is orange. It's getting better, but very slowly.

    Looking foolish has proven to be ineffective at stopping the angry orange monster. But we can sure hope!
    “Looking foolish” in a debate or “losing” the debate means nothing. Did George W. Bush “win” any of his debates against Gore or Kerry? I dunno. I wasn’t scoring them. But probably not. He won both elections though. Or at least the one against Kerry lol. 

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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,287
    ikiT said:
    I don't care who it is.   They get my vote.
    They stomp Trump or Pence or whoever those complicit fucks march out there.
    Warren or Buttigieg will be a losing battle so don't be so quick to ask for anyone.
    Why would you lump Pete in with Warren?
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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,116
    eddiec said:
    ikiT said:
    I don't care who it is.   They get my vote.
    They stomp Trump or Pence or whoever those complicit fucks march out there.
    Warren or Buttigieg will be a losing battle so don't be so quick to ask for anyone.
    Buttigieg was in the military and he's from the midwest.
    Warren is infinitely smarter than Trump. I think she would make him look foolish in a debate.
    Even in his own state, or especially in his own state, I don't know that Buttigieg would win. Indiana is as red as trump is orange. It's getting better, but very slowly.

    Looking foolish has proven to be ineffective at stopping the angry orange monster. But we can sure hope!
    “Looking foolish” in a debate or “losing” the debate means nothing. Did George W. Bush “win” any of his debates against Gore or Kerry? I dunno. I wasn’t scoring them. But probably not. He won both elections though. Or at least the one against Kerry lol. 



    Bush did win some of the debates because  Gore made mistakes. He was ridiculed for his lockbox comment and also for standing over bush trying to  intimidate him. 

    That look bush shot back at gore won him just enough votes. It's something Hilary failed to do when trump tried something similar with her.


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    ikiT said:
    I don't care who it is.   They get my vote.
    They stomp Trump or Pence or whoever those complicit fucks march out there.
    Warren or Buttigieg will be a losing battle so don't be so quick to ask for anyone.
    Why would you lump Pete in with Warren?
    Easy targets to exploit.
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,287
    edited October 2019
    ikiT said:
    I don't care who it is.   They get my vote.
    They stomp Trump or Pence or whoever those complicit fucks march out there.
    Warren or Buttigieg will be a losing battle so don't be so quick to ask for anyone.
    Why would you lump Pete in with Warren?
    Easy targets to exploit.
    But why? He's a moderate war veteran.

    I think he'd be a great candidate to go against a draft dodging corrupt as fuck monster. Warren would, even if she calls herself a capitalist (which i liked), easily be labeled as a socialist who is going to raise everyone's taxes. Not going to play well in the swing states. 
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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,287
    eddiec said:
    ikiT said:
    I don't care who it is.   They get my vote.
    They stomp Trump or Pence or whoever those complicit fucks march out there.
    Warren or Buttigieg will be a losing battle so don't be so quick to ask for anyone.
    Buttigieg was in the military and he's from the midwest.
    Warren is infinitely smarter than Trump. I think she would make him look foolish in a debate.
    Even in his own state, or especially in his own state, I don't know that Buttigieg would win. Indiana is as red as trump is orange. It's getting better, but very slowly.

    Looking foolish has proven to be ineffective at stopping the angry orange monster. But we can sure hope!
    “Looking foolish” in a debate or “losing” the debate means nothing. Did George W. Bush “win” any of his debates against Gore or Kerry? I dunno. I wasn’t scoring them. But probably not. He won both elections though. Or at least the one against Kerry lol. 



    Bush did win some of the debates because  Gore made mistakes. He was ridiculed for his lockbox comment and also for standing over bush trying to  intimidate him. 

    That look bush shot back at gore won him just enough votes. It's something Hilary failed to do when trump tried something similar with her.


    http://youtu.be/hC2poPYv--4


    http://youtu.be/cn4Z2r8I2Pw




    Agreed. Gore definitely came out of those looking worse...
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    eddiec said:
    ikiT said:
    I don't care who it is.   They get my vote.
    They stomp Trump or Pence or whoever those complicit fucks march out there.
    Warren or Buttigieg will be a losing battle so don't be so quick to ask for anyone.
    Buttigieg was in the military and he's from the midwest.
    Warren is infinitely smarter than Trump. I think she would make him look foolish in a debate.
    Even in his own state, or especially in his own state, I don't know that Buttigieg would win. Indiana is as red as trump is orange. It's getting better, but very slowly.

    Looking foolish has proven to be ineffective at stopping the angry orange monster. But we can sure hope!
    “Looking foolish” in a debate or “losing” the debate means nothing. Did George W. Bush “win” any of his debates against Gore or Kerry? I dunno. I wasn’t scoring them. But probably not. He won both elections though. Or at least the one against Kerry lol. 



    Bush did win some of the debates because  Gore made mistakes. He was ridiculed for his lockbox comment and also for standing over bush trying to  intimidate him. 

    That look bush shot back at gore won him just enough votes. It's something Hilary failed to do when trump tried something similar with her.


    http://youtu.be/hC2poPYv--4


    http://youtu.be/cn4Z2r8I2Pw




    Agreed. Gore definitely came out of those looking worse...
    Admittedly I don’t remember the Gore/Bush debates very well cause I was only 16 and not very interested in politics yet. Was Gore uninformed and/or actually making Bush seem like the smarter one? Cause I thought Bush seemed clueless compared to Kerry in ‘04. 
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    Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    I think people looked at Bush as a regular and relatable guy. Someone you want to have a beer with. Gore probably came across as elitist. Another thing from the debates that hurt Gore  was making those sounds whenever Bush said something stupid, like a pfftt sound or whatever. People didn’t like that. 

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    Hi! said:
    I think people looked at Bush as a regular and relatable guy. Someone you want to have a beer with. Gore probably came across as elitist. Another thing from the debates that hurt Gore  was making those sounds whenever Bush said something stupid, like a pfftt sound or whatever. People didn’t like that. 
    Professorial geek lecturer versus the guy who can yuck it up, laugh at himself and you can have a beer with. Gore claiming he invented the internet didn’t help either. That all said, don’t forget the preppie posse with popped collars on their polo shirts banging on the glass and intimidating the county canvassing employees as they counted ballots. And the repub Secretary of State and Supreme Court. GWB and Darth Cheney should be in prison.
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    jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Hi! said:
    I think people looked at Bush as a regular and relatable guy. Someone you want to have a beer with. Gore probably came across as elitist. Another thing from the debates that hurt Gore  was making those sounds whenever Bush said something stupid, like a pfftt sound or whatever. People didn’t like that. 
    Bush was definitely more relatable in terms of electability. Gore was no doubt more intelligent and had more to offer, but he was stiff and humorless, and carried the Tipper baggage. After her PMRC bullshit, I wouldn't have voted for Al just based on Tipper's influence with him. I ended up voting for neither Bush nor Gore. But Al/Tipper was a tough package to sell as first family. 
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    Hi! said:
    I think people looked at Bush as a regular and relatable guy. Someone you want to have a beer with. Gore probably came across as elitist. Another thing from the debates that hurt Gore  was making those sounds whenever Bush said something stupid, like a pfftt sound or whatever. People didn’t like that. 
    Actually sounds a little like Hillary vs. Trump. I know someone will say “what’s relatable about Trump?” I dunno. He likes golf and pro wrestling like I do. If he wasn’t completely insane, he may have gotten my vote based on stuff like that. He didn’t. But he got the vote of others by way of the facade that he’s relatable or a man of the people. 
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    Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    Yeah, I mean, I grew up thinking you want the President to be the smartest guy in the room. When I watched the Gore Vs. Bush debates, I was thinking Gore would win because he was smarter, lol. I was wrong. That was first election I voted in. Election night was absolutely insane. I remember watching with my parents and my Dad being shocked when they announced all the swing states for Gore. He just kept saying “Wow” Yeah, unbelievable. 

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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,631
    jeffbr said:
    Hi! said:
    I think people looked at Bush as a regular and relatable guy. Someone you want to have a beer with. Gore probably came across as elitist. Another thing from the debates that hurt Gore  was making those sounds whenever Bush said something stupid, like a pfftt sound or whatever. People didn’t like that. 
    Bush was definitely more relatable in terms of electability. Gore was no doubt more intelligent and had more to offer, but he was stiff and humorless, and carried the Tipper baggage. After her PMRC bullshit, I wouldn't have voted for Al just based on Tipper's influence with him. I ended up voting for neither Bush nor Gore. But Al/Tipper was a tough package to sell as first family. 
    You know I often forget about this period of time.  I was angry at Tipper for years.  I didn't hold it against Al and voted butterfly style in Florida.  And it was a bizarre ballot.  I can see how people got that wrong.  But Bush definitely came off more normal and the GOP did not have the baggage it now carries. 
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    ikiT said:
    I don't care who it is.   They get my vote.
    They stomp Trump or Pence or whoever those complicit fucks march out there.
    Warren or Buttigieg will be a losing battle so don't be so quick to ask for anyone.
    Why would you lump Pete in with Warren?
    Easy targets to exploit.
    But why? He's a moderate war veteran.

    I think he'd be a great candidate to go against a draft dodging corrupt as fuck monster. Warren would, even if she calls herself a capitalist (which i liked), easily be labeled as a socialist who is going to raise everyone's taxes. Not going to play well in the swing states. 
    Buttigieg is gay and is an easy target.  I would love to be proven wrong as he is very likeable and checks a lot of boxes.

    After Trump's coming up I don't see him going very far.  America can be ugly sometimes.
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