The Democratic Presidential Debates

14748505253230

Comments

  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,648
    The best way to prove to the world you are not a bigot - is to vote for a democratic socialist. 
    What in the sam-hill?

    Now how could I, an accused bigot with insensitivities towards the LGBTQ community, prove my progressiveness by voting for an old white man? 

    Shit, I called him "old." Now I'm an ageist too!
    Just turn in your voter id already.  You've got no shot at getting this right. 
  • mrussel1 said:
    The best way to prove to the world you are not a bigot - is to vote for a democratic socialist. 
    What in the sam-hill?

    Now how could I, an accused bigot with insensitivities towards the LGBTQ community, prove my progressiveness by voting for an old white man? 

    Shit, I called him "old." Now I'm an ageist too!
    Just turn in your voter id already.  You've got no shot at getting this right. 
    I guess that's true. As an ageist, I can't even vote for Trump.

    Mayor Pete it is! He has me covered on all bases.
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024Philly 2

    Pearl Jam bootlegs:
    http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,494
    mrussel1 said:
    The best way to prove to the world you are not a bigot - is to vote for a democratic socialist. 
    What in the sam-hill?

    Now how could I, an accused bigot with insensitivities towards the LGBTQ community, prove my progressiveness by voting for an old white man? 

    Shit, I called him "old." Now I'm an ageist too!
    Just turn in your voter id already.  You've got no shot at getting this right. 
    I guess that's true. As an ageist, I can't even vote for Trump.

    Mayor Pete it is! He has me covered on all bases.
    except the white part......
    _____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________

    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,476
    The bolero in wildwood, nj.  (Trump rally inthat town this week) .  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10 said:
    The bolero in wildwood, nj.  (Trump rally inthat town this week) .  
    ?

    What's the point in posting right-wing racists and right-wing racist enablers attempt at humour?

    Other than enabling those people and their views?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,476
    edited January 2020
    mcgruff10 said:
    The bolero in wildwood, nj.  (Trump rally inthat town this week) .  
    ?

    What's the point in posting right-wing racists and right-wing racist enablers attempt at humour?

    Other than enabling those people and their views?
    Sorry there aren’t any zima specials for you. 
    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,648
    mcgruff10 said:
    The bolero in wildwood, nj.  (Trump rally inthat town this week) .  
    ?

    What's the point in posting right-wing racists and right-wing racist enablers attempt at humour?

    Other than enabling those people and their views?
    Lighten up Francis.
  • mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The bolero in wildwood, nj.  (Trump rally inthat town this week) .  
    ?

    What's the point in posting right-wing racists and right-wing racist enablers attempt at humour?

    Other than enabling those people and their views?
    Sorry there aren’t any zima specials for you. 
    Trouble to find a good answer to a serious question maybe.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,648
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The bolero in wildwood, nj.  (Trump rally inthat town this week) .  
    ?

    What's the point in posting right-wing racists and right-wing racist enablers attempt at humour?

    Other than enabling those people and their views?
    Sorry there aren’t any zima specials for you. 
    Ha!  That's funny.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,976
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    This is what I argued four years ago.  Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.  
    Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie. 

    Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity. 
    As people has said from the beginning ”they will label us socialists whoever we pick”. 

    But keep running away from the bullies I guess. 


    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    This is what I argued four years ago.  Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.  
    Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie. 

    Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity. 

    Andrew Yang has also been labeled a "socialist" by some which is quite the joke and, sadly, proves that many Americans don't read very well or think very clearly or critically.  Thus Yang's slogan: MATH, Make America Think Harder.   Many people need to think harder.  I try, but I know I can do better.
    UBI is pretty socialist, don't you think, Brian?

    Not really because the money is ours anyway.  It's collected by companies like Google, Yahoo and Amazon who don't pay taxes while the rest of us do.  So it's just a matter of taking back what is ours anyway.  Besides that, I would rather live under leadership that might lean more toward socialism than that of an oligarchy.  But that's a mute point because Yang is not a socialist.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,976
    I guess I meant "moot".  Damn English language!  :lol:
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,434
    mcgruff10 said:
    The bolero in wildwood, nj.  (Trump rally inthat town this week) .  
    Should have no price listed and when you ask the bartender they say they don't know. Then you get your tab and it was $40.
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,615
    mcgruff10 said:
    The bolero in wildwood, nj.  (Trump rally inthat town this week) .  

    Wildwood can be a scary place. Been there 14 times.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,888
    brianlux said:
    I guess I meant "moot".  Damn English language!  :lol:
    Isn't it "moo?"
    www.myspace.com
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,494
    brianlux said:
    I guess I meant "moot".  Damn English language!  :lol:
    mute seems to fit too.....
    _____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________

    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,494
    pjl44 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The bolero in wildwood, nj.  (Trump rally inthat town this week) .  
    Should have no price listed and when you ask the bartender they say they don't know. Then you get your tab and it was $40.
    paid for by the guy next to you
    _____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________

    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,476
    mcgruff10 said:
    The bolero in wildwood, nj.  (Trump rally inthat town this week) .  

    Wildwood can be a scary place. Been there 14 times.
    I haven’t been there in years and don’t plan on going back anytime soon.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,976
    mickeyrat said:
    pjl44 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The bolero in wildwood, nj.  (Trump rally inthat town this week) .  
    Should have no price listed and when you ask the bartender they say they don't know. Then you get your tab and it was $40.
    paid for by the guy next to you

    I'm surprised nobody has said The Sanders should be free.  :lol: 
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,435
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    pjl44 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The bolero in wildwood, nj.  (Trump rally inthat town this week) .  
    Should have no price listed and when you ask the bartender they say they don't know. Then you get your tab and it was $40.
    paid for by the guy next to you

    I'm surprised nobody has said The Sanders should be free.  :lol: 
    But no women can order it 
    hippiemom = goodness
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,476
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    pjl44 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The bolero in wildwood, nj.  (Trump rally inthat town this week) .  
    Should have no price listed and when you ask the bartender they say they don't know. Then you get your tab and it was $40.
    paid for by the guy next to you

    I'm surprised nobody has said The Sanders should be free.  :lol: 
    Nothing is ever free!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,976
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    pjl44 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The bolero in wildwood, nj.  (Trump rally inthat town this week) .  
    Should have no price listed and when you ask the bartender they say they don't know. Then you get your tab and it was $40.
    paid for by the guy next to you

    I'm surprised nobody has said The Sanders should be free.  :lol: 
    Nothing is ever free!

    I believe it!  But the cold beer in the fridge is already paid for and after all this talk of drinks and a hard day of nothing much at all, I think it's time to pop one open!
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,888
    Wildwood is such a weird place for a rally. He’s not winning New Jersey. And Wildwood is a shore town, a trashy one at that, and it’s January. Wonder what the thinking is for this...
    www.myspace.com
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,615
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The bolero in wildwood, nj.  (Trump rally inthat town this week) .  

    Wildwood can be a scary place. Been there 14 times.
    I haven’t been there in years and don’t plan on going back anytime soon.  


    Cape May rocks, tho.
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,615
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    This is what I argued four years ago.  Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.  
    Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie. 

    Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity. 
    As people has said from the beginning ”they will label us socialists whoever we pick”. 

    But keep running away from the bullies I guess. 


    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    This is what I argued four years ago.  Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.  
    Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie. 

    Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity. 

    Andrew Yang has also been labeled a "socialist" by some which is quite the joke and, sadly, proves that many Americans don't read very well or think very clearly or critically.  Thus Yang's slogan: MATH, Make America Think Harder.   Many people need to think harder.  I try, but I know I can do better.
    UBI is pretty socialist, don't you think, Brian?


    social security is pretty socialist, don’t you think, Hugh?
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,493
    edited January 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    The bolero in wildwood, nj.  (Trump rally inthat town this week) .  
    ?

    What's the point in posting right-wing racists and right-wing racist enablers attempt at humour?

    Other than enabling those people and their views?
    Lighten up Francis.
    The normalization of fascism is alive and well I take it.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,476
    Wildwood is such a weird place for a rally. He’s not winning New Jersey. And Wildwood is a shore town, a trashy one at that, and it’s January. Wonder what the thinking is for this...
    Cape May county historically votes red.   Yeah that s all I got for you.  Trump is definitely not winning nj
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,648
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    This is what I argued four years ago.  Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.  
    Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie. 

    Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity. 
    As people has said from the beginning ”they will label us socialists whoever we pick”. 

    But keep running away from the bullies I guess. 


    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    This is what I argued four years ago.  Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.  
    Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie. 

    Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity. 

    Andrew Yang has also been labeled a "socialist" by some which is quite the joke and, sadly, proves that many Americans don't read very well or think very clearly or critically.  Thus Yang's slogan: MATH, Make America Think Harder.   Many people need to think harder.  I try, but I know I can do better.
    UBI is pretty socialist, don't you think, Brian?


    social security is pretty socialist, don’t you think, Hugh?
    It is.. but social security was established as a social safety net, specifically for the elderly.  Remember in this country, you had millions of elderly that became indigent because we had no system, no pension, no 401(k) to support people when they age out of the workplace.  It is also expanded to help those who physically cannot work for a variety of reasons.  The question is, where does UBI fit into that equation?  My understanding is it's not means tested, so what purpose does it serve to give everyone a grand a month, regardless of their need.  Is it purely a way to redistribute income?  If so, why not means test it?  Or why not increase social security benefits for those that need it.  I just don't understand the value it adds.  Now I have not studied his proposal, so open to hearing about it.  But I don't see a scenario where my wife and I should get 2k more a month.  Won't that just drive inflation?
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    This is what I argued four years ago.  Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.  
    Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie. 

    Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity. 
    As people has said from the beginning ”they will label us socialists whoever we pick”. 

    But keep running away from the bullies I guess. 


    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    This is what I argued four years ago.  Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.  
    Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie. 

    Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity. 

    Andrew Yang has also been labeled a "socialist" by some which is quite the joke and, sadly, proves that many Americans don't read very well or think very clearly or critically.  Thus Yang's slogan: MATH, Make America Think Harder.   Many people need to think harder.  I try, but I know I can do better.
    UBI is pretty socialist, don't you think, Brian?


    social security is pretty socialist, don’t you think, Hugh?
    It is.. but social security was established as a social safety net, specifically for the elderly.  Remember in this country, you had millions of elderly that became indigent because we had no system, no pension, no 401(k) to support people when they age out of the workplace.  It is also expanded to help those who physically cannot work for a variety of reasons.  The question is, where does UBI fit into that equation?  My understanding is it's not means tested, so what purpose does it serve to give everyone a grand a month, regardless of their need.  Is it purely a way to redistribute income?  If so, why not means test it?  Or why not increase social security benefits for those that need it.  I just don't understand the value it adds.  Now I have not studied his proposal, so open to hearing about it.  But I don't see a scenario where my wife and I should get 2k more a month.  Won't that just drive inflation?
    Social Security was developed as one part of a multi-faceted move toward social insurance, which extended beyond the elderly (and those with disabilities) to include unemployment (unemployment insurance was part of the original Social Security Act--federal grants to states), etc.. So, treating Social Security as separate from some other remaining New Deal changes does inflect our view of things. Not really disagreeing with anything you said; just pointing out that SS was one part of move toward social welfare that, taken collectively, doesn't look THAT much different than UBI. With that said, I completely agree with your penultimate sentence: I don't think my family should bet UBI either. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,648
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    This is what I argued four years ago.  Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.  
    Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie. 

    Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity. 
    As people has said from the beginning ”they will label us socialists whoever we pick”. 

    But keep running away from the bullies I guess. 


    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    This is what I argued four years ago.  Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.  
    Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie. 

    Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity. 

    Andrew Yang has also been labeled a "socialist" by some which is quite the joke and, sadly, proves that many Americans don't read very well or think very clearly or critically.  Thus Yang's slogan: MATH, Make America Think Harder.   Many people need to think harder.  I try, but I know I can do better.
    UBI is pretty socialist, don't you think, Brian?


    social security is pretty socialist, don’t you think, Hugh?
    It is.. but social security was established as a social safety net, specifically for the elderly.  Remember in this country, you had millions of elderly that became indigent because we had no system, no pension, no 401(k) to support people when they age out of the workplace.  It is also expanded to help those who physically cannot work for a variety of reasons.  The question is, where does UBI fit into that equation?  My understanding is it's not means tested, so what purpose does it serve to give everyone a grand a month, regardless of their need.  Is it purely a way to redistribute income?  If so, why not means test it?  Or why not increase social security benefits for those that need it.  I just don't understand the value it adds.  Now I have not studied his proposal, so open to hearing about it.  But I don't see a scenario where my wife and I should get 2k more a month.  Won't that just drive inflation?
    Social Security was developed as one part of a multi-faceted move toward social insurance, which extended beyond the elderly (and those with disabilities) to include unemployment (unemployment insurance was part of the original Social Security Act--federal grants to states), etc.. So, treating Social Security as separate from some other remaining New Deal changes does inflect our view of things. Not really disagreeing with anything you said; just pointing out that SS was one part of move toward social welfare that, taken collectively, doesn't look THAT much different than UBI. With that said, I completely agree with your penultimate sentence: I don't think my family should bet UBI either. 
    IF it doesn't look that much different, why do we need a new social safety net?  That's my whole point.  
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    mrussel1 said:
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    This is what I argued four years ago.  Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.  
    Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie. 

    Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity. 
    As people has said from the beginning ”they will label us socialists whoever we pick”. 

    But keep running away from the bullies I guess. 


    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    This is what I argued four years ago.  Teh Republicans and Trump have been silent because they don't want to damage him too soon.  
    Again, 1000% yep. It's why Trump is already saying the system is rigged against Bernie. 

    Republicans are better at politics and branding than democrats are. If Bernie is the nominee, you democrats better get used to all being labeled as a bunch of socialists for the rest of eternity. 

    Andrew Yang has also been labeled a "socialist" by some which is quite the joke and, sadly, proves that many Americans don't read very well or think very clearly or critically.  Thus Yang's slogan: MATH, Make America Think Harder.   Many people need to think harder.  I try, but I know I can do better.
    UBI is pretty socialist, don't you think, Brian?


    social security is pretty socialist, don’t you think, Hugh?
    It is.. but social security was established as a social safety net, specifically for the elderly.  Remember in this country, you had millions of elderly that became indigent because we had no system, no pension, no 401(k) to support people when they age out of the workplace.  It is also expanded to help those who physically cannot work for a variety of reasons.  The question is, where does UBI fit into that equation?  My understanding is it's not means tested, so what purpose does it serve to give everyone a grand a month, regardless of their need.  Is it purely a way to redistribute income?  If so, why not means test it?  Or why not increase social security benefits for those that need it.  I just don't understand the value it adds.  Now I have not studied his proposal, so open to hearing about it.  But I don't see a scenario where my wife and I should get 2k more a month.  Won't that just drive inflation?
    Social Security was developed as one part of a multi-faceted move toward social insurance, which extended beyond the elderly (and those with disabilities) to include unemployment (unemployment insurance was part of the original Social Security Act--federal grants to states), etc.. So, treating Social Security as separate from some other remaining New Deal changes does inflect our view of things. Not really disagreeing with anything you said; just pointing out that SS was one part of move toward social welfare that, taken collectively, doesn't look THAT much different than UBI. With that said, I completely agree with your penultimate sentence: I don't think my family should bet UBI either. 
    IF it doesn't look that much different, why do we need a new social safety net?  That's my whole point.  
    I'm guessing you and I shouldn't wade into that exact conversation, because I don't think we need a social safety net. I'm advocating for full communism. 
This discussion has been closed.