The Democratic Presidential Debates

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  • mickeyrat said:
    Bloomberg's lucky to not be on this ballot. The link says that 46% of 713 people polled in South Carolina say they would be "not at all likely" to vote for him if he were on the ballot. Wouldn't be surprised if his team anticipated this and didn't even try to be on the SC ballot because of it. 
    in Ohio the filing deadline is 100 days out. Assume same or similar elsewhere. So given when he entered he couldnt be on the ballot.
    Is he on all the Super Tuesday ballots? 
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,614
    I'm surprised to see Biden so high in that area.


    Biden has been hurt by 2 moderate billionaires. If he can win by 20, there's hope cali wakes up by Tuesday 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,485
    mickeyrat said:
    Bloomberg's lucky to not be on this ballot. The link says that 46% of 713 people polled in South Carolina say they would be "not at all likely" to vote for him if he were on the ballot. Wouldn't be surprised if his team anticipated this and didn't even try to be on the SC ballot because of it. 
    in Ohio the filing deadline is 100 days out. Assume same or similar elsewhere. So given when he entered he couldnt be on the ballot.
    Is he on all the Super Tuesday ballots? 
    yes. its been his focus apparently. he could have filed for SC if he chose to. Announced with enough time. Perhaps saw it as a loser?

    But am surprised though he participated in that debate without being in the primary there.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,493
    edited February 2020
    I'm surprised to see Biden so high in that area.


    Biden has been hurt by 2 moderate billionaires. If he can win by 20, there's hope cali wakes up by Tuesday 
    Cali is too smart to not vote for Bernie. He'll going home with all the delegates. #swoop
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,961
    CM189191 said:
    Nothing gets the clicks like an article about a brokered convention.

    You can bookmark this for later, it won't happen.

    It may not happen, but if I were a betting man, I would not put money on saying "no, it won't happen".  There are a lot of people who think it is somewhat possible to quite likely. 
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,961
    I'm surprised to see Biden so high in that area.

    I think that was predicted, was it not?  But I don't know why.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,629
    brianlux said:
    I'm surprised to see Biden so high in that area.

    I think that was predicted, was it not?  But I don't know why.
    He has a long relationship with the AA community, and it doesn't hurt that Obama trusts him.  He got the gold star endorsement from Jim Clyburn.  No one is more important in D politics in SC than Clyburn. 
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,961
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    I'm surprised to see Biden so high in that area.

    I think that was predicted, was it not?  But I don't know why.
    He has a long relationship with the AA community, and it doesn't hurt that Obama trusts him.  He got the gold star endorsement from Jim Clyburn.  No one is more important in D politics in SC than Clyburn. 

    Ahhh, OK.  I just figured out you meant African American community.  For a second there, I was wondering why South Carolina has so many recovering alcoholics! 

    Thanks for the info, M!  :smile: 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,485
    edited February 2020
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/02/27/what-pete-buttigieg-thinks-he-has-that-sanders-bloomberg-dont/

    Feb. 27, 2020 at 6:01 a.m. EST

    After interviewing former South Bend, Ind., mayor Pete Buttigieg for a third time since December 2018, I came away with one distinct and favorable impression: He hasn’t changed. It’s one of the reasons he is where he is in the race for the Democratic nomination for president.

    When Buttigieg came to my “Cape Up” podcast the first time, he expressed a clear vision for where he thought the Democratic Party needed to go if it wanted to both regain the trust of the American people and retake the White House. Buttigieg’s calm, Obama-esque demeanor and intellect were a reminder of what thoughtful leadership used to look like after the first 10 horrifying months of the Trump administration.

    All of that was on display at the 92nd Street Y in New York in May 2019 when I interviewed Buttigieg, whose CNN town hall two months earlier had catapulted him to national prominence. And that self-assurance and message discipline remained as Buttigieg sat across from me on Monday in a hotel conference room in Charleston, S.C., to make the case that he should be the Democratic nominee.

    He is in the top tier for the nomination after eking out a delegate victory over Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in the Iowa caucuses. But Sanders’s big win in Nevada and his rising polls numbers have folks wondering whether the democratic socialist from Vermont can be stopped. When I asked Buttigieg whether it was too late to halt Sanders’s rise, he said, “No, but it will be if we don’t get our act together.” When I asked him what getting “our act together” looks like, Buttigieg responded, “What I think that should look like is to rally around a candidate, perhaps the one candidate to have actually beaten Bernie Sanders anywhere in the country this cycle, which is my campaign.”


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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,629
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    I'm surprised to see Biden so high in that area.

    I think that was predicted, was it not?  But I don't know why.
    He has a long relationship with the AA community, and it doesn't hurt that Obama trusts him.  He got the gold star endorsement from Jim Clyburn.  No one is more important in D politics in SC than Clyburn. 

    Ahhh, OK.  I just figured out you meant African American community.  For a second there, I was wondering why South Carolina has so many recovering alcoholics! 

    Thanks for the info, M!  :smile: 
    They're not recovering...

    Here's a quite from Clyburn regarding Pete, but you could say this about any of them, compared to Biden...Relationships do matter.

    “Look, he just hasn’t lived long enough,” Clyburn says of Buttigieg. “He’s what, 37, 38 years old? People have long-standing relationships, and I don’t know why people think you’re going to walk away from these relationships.”
  • "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,629
    You should read Capehart's article first.  
  • mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    I'm surprised to see Biden so high in that area.

    I think that was predicted, was it not?  But I don't know why.
    He has a long relationship with the AA community, and it doesn't hurt that Obama trusts him.  He got the gold star endorsement from Jim Clyburn.  No one is more important in D politics in SC than Clyburn. 

    Ahhh, OK.  I just figured out you meant African American community.  For a second there, I was wondering why South Carolina has so many recovering alcoholics! 

    Thanks for the info, M!  :smile: 
    They're not recovering...

    Here's a quite from Clyburn regarding Pete, but you could say this about any of them, compared to Biden...Relationships do matter.

    “Look, he just hasn’t lived long enough,” Clyburn says of Buttigieg. “He’s what, 37, 38 years old? People have long-standing relationships, and I don’t know why people think you’re going to walk away from these relationships.”
    Sorry for my ignorance. Maybe this is common knowledge. But how was Biden polling with AA before Obama?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,485
    mrussel1 said:
    You should read Capehart's article first.  
    its not a meme or something from a random twitter user , so it must be fake.....
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,629
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    I'm surprised to see Biden so high in that area.

    I think that was predicted, was it not?  But I don't know why.
    He has a long relationship with the AA community, and it doesn't hurt that Obama trusts him.  He got the gold star endorsement from Jim Clyburn.  No one is more important in D politics in SC than Clyburn. 

    Ahhh, OK.  I just figured out you meant African American community.  For a second there, I was wondering why South Carolina has so many recovering alcoholics! 

    Thanks for the info, M!  :smile: 
    They're not recovering...

    Here's a quite from Clyburn regarding Pete, but you could say this about any of them, compared to Biden...Relationships do matter.

    “Look, he just hasn’t lived long enough,” Clyburn says of Buttigieg. “He’s what, 37, 38 years old? People have long-standing relationships, and I don’t know why people think you’re going to walk away from these relationships.”
    Sorry for my ignorance. Maybe this is common knowledge. But how was Biden polling with AA before Obama?
    Who knows.  You'd have to do some research, if it even exists.  When he ran in 2008, he dropped out right after Iowa.  
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,493
    edited February 2020
    nvm
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1 said:
    You should read Capehart's article first.  
    Hah. Never seen they have a free option!
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,431
    benjs said:
    pjl44 said:
    After 30 years of trying, Joe Biden may actually win a Presidential primary. The Susan Lucci of American politics. 
    If I recall from the aggregators' rough trends, Sanders' voting base floor seems to be more or less solid, whereas I'm not sure Biden's supporters have been quite as 'sticky'. This, coupled with a voting base that as each election goes on proves itself to make decisions more and more impulsively (otherwise I suspect you'd see frontrunners lose their spots gradually instead of abruptly), makes me believe that if Biden wins SC, he'll be pretty straightforward to unthrone.
    If you're confident in that, go make some money. You really could have cleaned up before the debate.


  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,629
    edited February 2020
    So Vegas still says Bernie or Biden, basically.  And as people not named Warren drop, the odds will swing closer to Biden.  

    * - edit, wait a minute.  What has happened in the last two days that has moved the numbers toward Biden?  Is it simply the most recent SC polling?  I saw that Biden has reasserted a lead in FL over Bernie too.  The Castro stuff does not play well there.  
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  • mrussel1 said:
    So Vegas still says Bernie or Biden, basically.  And as people not named Warren drop, the odds will swing closer to Biden.  

    * - edit, wait a minute.  What has happened in the last two days that has moved the numbers toward Biden?  Is it simply the most recent SC polling?  I saw that Biden has reasserted a lead in FL over Bernie too.  The Castro stuff does not play well there.  

    Good FSM...they need to start asking these two who they would favor as running mates.
    They are 77 and 78, and will be 78 and 79 when taking office, if some parting of the Red Sea were to happen and Trump lost.
    This is just crazy!
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,097
    Anyone behind Hillary Clinton on that list should drop out.  That essentially just means Klobuchar, I guess.  But still.  

    Of course, Warren's tied with her and I still think she has an outside shot.

    If she were a man, she'd be in the driver's seat.
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  • Also, Gump was 70 when he took office....the oldest person to have a fresh crack at things.  We would be advancing that by almost 10 years!

    What would be next?  Putting someone who is in their late 80s up?  :lol:    
    It feels like we are going in the wrong direction.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,880
    edited February 2020
    mrussel1 said:
    So Vegas still says Bernie or Biden, basically.  And as people not named Warren drop, the odds will swing closer to Biden.  

    * - edit, wait a minute.  What has happened in the last two days that has moved the numbers toward Biden?  Is it simply the most recent SC polling?  I saw that Biden has reasserted a lead in FL over Bernie too.  The Castro stuff does not play well there.  

    Good FSM...they need to start asking these two who they would favor as running mates.
    They are 77 and 78, and will be 78 and 79 when taking office, if some parting of the Red Sea were to happen and Trump lost.
    This is just crazy!
    This is what I like most about Buttigieg. At least he's in my age range and can relate to the wants/needs of someone like myself. The average life-expectancy for an American male is 78 years old. That means of Trump, Biden, Sanders, and Bloomberg.....one of them will likely die within the next few years. I mean, hopefully not, I don't want to see anyone dying. But time is not in their favor. 
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 9,431
    mrussel1 said:
    So Vegas still says Bernie or Biden, basically.  And as people not named Warren drop, the odds will swing closer to Biden.  

    * - edit, wait a minute.  What has happened in the last two days that has moved the numbers toward Biden?  Is it simply the most recent SC polling?  I saw that Biden has reasserted a lead in FL over Bernie too.  The Castro stuff does not play well there.  
    Purely anecdotal but I saw a couple polls early in the week with Bernie and Biden virtually tied in SC. Post-debate the ones I've seen have Biden with like a 20 point lead. If all that is right, I guess it means they see him as pulling ahead in that moderate lane.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,429
    Bernie said during his town hall when asked about selecting a running mate early considering his age and recent medical history.  He said that would be presumptuous.  But he said that he could guarantee that it wouldn't be "an old white guy"
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  • Bernie said during his town hall when asked about selecting a running mate early considering his age and recent medical history.  He said that would be presumptuous.  But he said that he could guarantee that it wouldn't be "an old white guy"

    Well, that is good.  I don't care what the person looks like, just that they are a sound choice and below the age of 60.
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  • if bernie wins he's choosing either kamala or pete. for obvious reasons. I'd personally go with kamala. 
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    if bernie wins he's choosing either kamala or pete. for obvious reasons. I'd personally go with kamala. 
    What makes you think Kamala or Peter are going to drag their good name through the mud by hitching a ride to that dumpster fire?

    Nobody with any sort of reputation is actually going to want to be Bernie's vp.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,429
    You know was Elizabeth Warren was speaking about education during the debate I really felt like Bloomberg or someone missed a huge opportunity.  Should have turned to her and said, "Elizabeth, Love your passion on this topic.  You'll make a great Secretary of Education in my administration"
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