The Democratic Presidential Debates
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How about constructing a mature argument and actually countering my point.Spiritual_Chaos said:mrussel1 said:
Was he wrong? As of this moment, no he's not. So that means he had strong data coming from his precinct captains. Tell me what was weasly about it, and contrast it with why Sanders saying his victory was "decisive" is okay.Spiritual_Chaos said:
What was it when he declared victory and had his team call up every news source in america to make sure that story spread?mrussel1 said:
They didn't get the same delegate count, so why would anyone say that? It's 13-12 currently. Now that doesn't mean re-canvassing won't flip that, but as of now, it's not a tie.Spiritual_Chaos said:
If you were an honest man, you would say they both were the winners getting the same delegates. That is what it was all about?mrussel1 said:
Weasel pushing? I'd argue the opposite. Bernie declaring "decisive" victory was much closer to weasely... considering as of this moment, Pete is the winner and has the most SDE's. Iowa is a caucus and that's how delegates work. You don't get to declare victory because you won the popular, when that's not how the process is set up. Just ask Hillary.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Ain't got a subscription.Halifax2TheMax said:
https://apple.news/AizHAnpitRHyONtTeS2qU9QSpiritual_Chaos said:
Timestamp on when he "whined" about Iowa the most recent?Halifax2TheMax said:Bernie should quit whining about Iowa and move on already. Really Bernie, you can’t win coming in second in Iowa?
But whatevz. He gets questions about it. He and Petes agrees the popular vote is what counts, so Bernie won - jippie. Pete weasel-pushing the narrative of his win was "smart" but backbone-less. Bernie countered it by him saying how he won for real. just like Biden countered when Pete attacked.
And I don't need to ask "Hillary" - I CAN JUST ASK PETE:
"At risk of of sounding a little simplistic, one thing I believe is that in an american presidential election, the person who gets the most votes ought to be the person who wins"
The "Pete standard" as Jake Tapper calls it. And even Pete can't spin it:
https://youtu.be/KpKJJ5lbOS8
(and now you maybe will say - but that is the presidential election, he didn't say ioooowaaaaaa - he's free on a technicality.
And we all know who famously was let free on a technicality)
A house is red.
Stupid Mayor: That house is blue.
Stupid Mayor lies.
Days later the house is painted blue.
M Russel: Was he wrong? As of this moment, no he's not.
If the house was red. Yes, he was wrong.
Tenses is a thing.0 -
Hello pot, meet the kettle.Spiritual_Chaos said:
What has me not being able to vote to do with anything, please explain.mickeyrat said:mrussel1 said:
Was he wrong? As of this moment, no he's not. So that means he had strong data coming from his precinct captains. Tell me what was weasly about it, and contrast it with why Sanders saying his victory was "decisive" is okay.Spiritual_Chaos said:
What was it when he declared victory and had his team call up every news source in america to make sure that story spread?mrussel1 said:
They didn't get the same delegate count, so why would anyone say that? It's 13-12 currently. Now that doesn't mean re-canvassing won't flip that, but as of now, it's not a tie.Spiritual_Chaos said:
If you were an honest man, you would say they both were the winners getting the same delegates. That is what it was all about?mrussel1 said:
Weasel pushing? I'd argue the opposite. Bernie declaring "decisive" victory was much closer to weasely... considering as of this moment, Pete is the winner and has the most SDE's. Iowa is a caucus and that's how delegates work. You don't get to declare victory because you won the popular, when that's not how the process is set up. Just ask Hillary.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Ain't got a subscription.Halifax2TheMax said:
https://apple.news/AizHAnpitRHyONtTeS2qU9QSpiritual_Chaos said:
Timestamp on when he "whined" about Iowa the most recent?Halifax2TheMax said:Bernie should quit whining about Iowa and move on already. Really Bernie, you can’t win coming in second in Iowa?
But whatevz. He gets questions about it. He and Petes agrees the popular vote is what counts, so Bernie won - jippie. Pete weasel-pushing the narrative of his win was "smart" but backbone-less. Bernie countered it by him saying how he won for real. just like Biden countered when Pete attacked.
And I don't need to ask "Hillary" - I CAN JUST ASK PETE:
"At risk of of sounding a little simplistic, one thing I believe is that in an american presidential election, the person who gets the most votes ought to be the person who wins"
The "Pete standard" as Jake Tapper calls it. And even Pete can't spin it:https://youtu.be/KpKJJ5lbOS8
(and now you maybe will say - but that is the presidential election, he didn't say ioooowaaaaaa - he's free on a technicality.
And we all know who famously was let free on a technicality)cuz he wants the fake social democrat that he cant vote for to win.
And sound like you actually have an argument while doing it.0 -
kinda thought that was addressed in the quote he cut....mrussel1 said:
Hello pot, meet the kettle.Spiritual_Chaos said:
What has me not being able to vote to do with anything, please explain.mickeyrat said:mrussel1 said:
Was he wrong? As of this moment, no he's not. So that means he had strong data coming from his precinct captains. Tell me what was weasly about it, and contrast it with why Sanders saying his victory was "decisive" is okay.Spiritual_Chaos said:
What was it when he declared victory and had his team call up every news source in america to make sure that story spread?mrussel1 said:
They didn't get the same delegate count, so why would anyone say that? It's 13-12 currently. Now that doesn't mean re-canvassing won't flip that, but as of now, it's not a tie.Spiritual_Chaos said:
If you were an honest man, you would say they both were the winners getting the same delegates. That is what it was all about?mrussel1 said:
Weasel pushing? I'd argue the opposite. Bernie declaring "decisive" victory was much closer to weasely... considering as of this moment, Pete is the winner and has the most SDE's. Iowa is a caucus and that's how delegates work. You don't get to declare victory because you won the popular, when that's not how the process is set up. Just ask Hillary.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Ain't got a subscription.Halifax2TheMax said:
https://apple.news/AizHAnpitRHyONtTeS2qU9QSpiritual_Chaos said:
Timestamp on when he "whined" about Iowa the most recent?Halifax2TheMax said:Bernie should quit whining about Iowa and move on already. Really Bernie, you can’t win coming in second in Iowa?
But whatevz. He gets questions about it. He and Petes agrees the popular vote is what counts, so Bernie won - jippie. Pete weasel-pushing the narrative of his win was "smart" but backbone-less. Bernie countered it by him saying how he won for real. just like Biden countered when Pete attacked.
And I don't need to ask "Hillary" - I CAN JUST ASK PETE:
"At risk of of sounding a little simplistic, one thing I believe is that in an american presidential election, the person who gets the most votes ought to be the person who wins"
The "Pete standard" as Jake Tapper calls it. And even Pete can't spin it:https://youtu.be/KpKJJ5lbOS8
(and now you maybe will say - but that is the presidential election, he didn't say ioooowaaaaaa - he's free on a technicality.
And we all know who famously was let free on a technicality)cuz he wants the fake social democrat that he cant vote for to win.
And sound like you actually have an argument while doing it.
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I just did. You just put your energy into putting people down, instead of having to face the argumentation. Proven not only by this, but also your "pot blabla kettle" post.mrussel1 said:
How about constructing a mature argument and actually countering my point.Spiritual_Chaos said:mrussel1 said:
Was he wrong? As of this moment, no he's not. So that means he had strong data coming from his precinct captains. Tell me what was weasly about it, and contrast it with why Sanders saying his victory was "decisive" is okay.Spiritual_Chaos said:
What was it when he declared victory and had his team call up every news source in america to make sure that story spread?mrussel1 said:
They didn't get the same delegate count, so why would anyone say that? It's 13-12 currently. Now that doesn't mean re-canvassing won't flip that, but as of now, it's not a tie.Spiritual_Chaos said:
If you were an honest man, you would say they both were the winners getting the same delegates. That is what it was all about?mrussel1 said:
Weasel pushing? I'd argue the opposite. Bernie declaring "decisive" victory was much closer to weasely... considering as of this moment, Pete is the winner and has the most SDE's. Iowa is a caucus and that's how delegates work. You don't get to declare victory because you won the popular, when that's not how the process is set up. Just ask Hillary.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Ain't got a subscription.Halifax2TheMax said:
https://apple.news/AizHAnpitRHyONtTeS2qU9QSpiritual_Chaos said:
Timestamp on when he "whined" about Iowa the most recent?Halifax2TheMax said:Bernie should quit whining about Iowa and move on already. Really Bernie, you can’t win coming in second in Iowa?
But whatevz. He gets questions about it. He and Petes agrees the popular vote is what counts, so Bernie won - jippie. Pete weasel-pushing the narrative of his win was "smart" but backbone-less. Bernie countered it by him saying how he won for real. just like Biden countered when Pete attacked.
And I don't need to ask "Hillary" - I CAN JUST ASK PETE:
"At risk of of sounding a little simplistic, one thing I believe is that in an american presidential election, the person who gets the most votes ought to be the person who wins"
The "Pete standard" as Jake Tapper calls it. And even Pete can't spin it:https://youtu.be/KpKJJ5lbOS8
(and now you maybe will say - but that is the presidential election, he didn't say ioooowaaaaaa - he's free on a technicality.
And we all know who famously was let free on a technicality)
A house is red.
Stupid Mayor: That house is blue.
Stupid Mayor lies.
Days later the house is painted blue.
M Russel: Was he wrong? As of this moment, no he's not.
If the house was red. Yes, he was wrong.
Tenses is a thing.
But it is okey. You have been bending backwards to try to save your arguments while they go sour in hours, for Biden and Pete these last few pages. I understand it takes a toll. You have been a (making up) Dream(s) Warrior.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
and I am still waiting for the answer from many pages ago.just how will he get his agenda passed? hmmm? me thinks this is an impossibility, and he knows WHICH makes him a liar..... as well as a carpetbagging party hijacking independent._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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You answer first. Decorum etc.mickeyrat said:and I am still waiting for the answer from many pages ago.just how will he get his agenda passed? hmmm? me thinks this is an impossibility, and he knows WHICH makes him a liar..... as well as a carpetbagging party hijacking independent."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Holy cow, I never heard that second story. But you're right, if it was flipped it would have been headline news on every network.Ledbetterman10 said:
Hannity talked about it last night. And I know the stigma that comes with posting something from Fox News (especially Hannity) around here. But fuck it. When he's defending Trump, he's wrong. But when he's calling out Biden, for me, a lot of the time he's right. Biden's making a fool of himself with some of this shit and to call someone a "dog-faced pony solider" isn't just insulting to the person, he sounded like some relic from the late-1800's or something. Go to the 2:53 mark of the video.mace1229 said:Does anyone else feel like Biden gets a free pass with his outbursts? He fat shamed someone about a month ago for asking a question he didn’t like and the other day when asked why he didn’t do better in the first results he called the girl a dog faced pony soldier.I haven’t seen anyone upset about it (although I’m sure there have been) I just see news anchors laughing it off and making jokes about it.
https://youtu.be/Bp-cD_1Ripk?t=167
Another thing that you won't see covered on the left-leaning networks is that some maniac tried to run over a bunch of republican volunteers in Flordia yesterday as they tried to register people to vote. Drove right into their tent and barely missed running over some elderly volunteers...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPn3lyzkL7A
I can't stand Hannity. I usually watch the first 10-15 minutes of Tucker, I think it is pretty funny. He did talk about the Biden comments, but he seemed to be more making fun of Biden about it than being upset the way people are upset when Trump calls people names. The same news channels that are outraged over Trump calling names seem to laugh with Biden over these comments.0 -
So with your silly story, you're saying that because of the chance that re-canvassing may change teh result, Pete should not declare victory. By contrast, because the re-canvassing may change the result it's okay that Sanders declares "decisive" victory? Can you please square that logic, because it completely escapes common sense.Spiritual_Chaos said:
I just did. You just put your energy into putting people down, instead of having to face the argumentation. Proven not only by this, but also your "pot blabla kettle" post.mrussel1 said:
How about constructing a mature argument and actually countering my point.Spiritual_Chaos said:mrussel1 said:
Was he wrong? As of this moment, no he's not. So that means he had strong data coming from his precinct captains. Tell me what was weasly about it, and contrast it with why Sanders saying his victory was "decisive" is okay.Spiritual_Chaos said:
What was it when he declared victory and had his team call up every news source in america to make sure that story spread?mrussel1 said:
They didn't get the same delegate count, so why would anyone say that? It's 13-12 currently. Now that doesn't mean re-canvassing won't flip that, but as of now, it's not a tie.Spiritual_Chaos said:
If you were an honest man, you would say they both were the winners getting the same delegates. That is what it was all about?mrussel1 said:
Weasel pushing? I'd argue the opposite. Bernie declaring "decisive" victory was much closer to weasely... considering as of this moment, Pete is the winner and has the most SDE's. Iowa is a caucus and that's how delegates work. You don't get to declare victory because you won the popular, when that's not how the process is set up. Just ask Hillary.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Ain't got a subscription.Halifax2TheMax said:
https://apple.news/AizHAnpitRHyONtTeS2qU9QSpiritual_Chaos said:
Timestamp on when he "whined" about Iowa the most recent?Halifax2TheMax said:Bernie should quit whining about Iowa and move on already. Really Bernie, you can’t win coming in second in Iowa?
But whatevz. He gets questions about it. He and Petes agrees the popular vote is what counts, so Bernie won - jippie. Pete weasel-pushing the narrative of his win was "smart" but backbone-less. Bernie countered it by him saying how he won for real. just like Biden countered when Pete attacked.
And I don't need to ask "Hillary" - I CAN JUST ASK PETE:
"At risk of of sounding a little simplistic, one thing I believe is that in an american presidential election, the person who gets the most votes ought to be the person who wins"
The "Pete standard" as Jake Tapper calls it. And even Pete can't spin it:https://youtu.be/KpKJJ5lbOS8
(and now you maybe will say - but that is the presidential election, he didn't say ioooowaaaaaa - he's free on a technicality.
And we all know who famously was let free on a technicality)
A house is red.
Stupid Mayor: That house is blue.
Stupid Mayor lies.
Days later the house is painted blue.
M Russel: Was he wrong? As of this moment, no he's not.
If the house was red. Yes, he was wrong.
Tenses is a thing.
But it is okey. You have been bending backwards to try to save your arguments while they go sour in hours, for Biden and Pete these last few pages. I understand it takes a toll. You have been a (making up) Dream(s) Warrior.0 -
go back to the full quote......Spiritual_Chaos said:
You answer first. Decorum etc.mickeyrat said:and I am still waiting for the answer from many pages ago.just how will he get his agenda passed? hmmm? me thinks this is an impossibility, and he knows WHICH makes him a liar..... as well as a carpetbagging party hijacking independent.
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '140 -
See the part I quoted? That is what I want an answer to.mickeyrat said:
go back to the full quote......Spiritual_Chaos said:
You answer first. Decorum etc.mickeyrat said:and I am still waiting for the answer from many pages ago.just how will he get his agenda passed? hmmm? me thinks this is an impossibility, and he knows WHICH makes him a liar..... as well as a carpetbagging party hijacking independent."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
oh I see now. because you cant vote your opinion is irrelevant.now answer mine. its the 3rd time it was asked....._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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Problem is there's no DSA party. At least not yet. That's why so many of them run as Democrats. I don't know enough about the Greens to know how well the platforms align or how well they're organized at the state or federal level.mickeyrat said:mrussel1 said:
Was he wrong? As of this moment, no he's not. So that means he had strong data coming from his precinct captains. Tell me what was weasly about it, and contrast it with why Sanders saying his victory was "decisive" is okay.Spiritual_Chaos said:
What was it when he declared victory and had his team call up every news source in america to make sure that story spread?mrussel1 said:
They didn't get the same delegate count, so why would anyone say that? It's 13-12 currently. Now that doesn't mean re-canvassing won't flip that, but as of now, it's not a tie.Spiritual_Chaos said:
If you were an honest man, you would say they both were the winners getting the same delegates. That is what it was all about?mrussel1 said:
Weasel pushing? I'd argue the opposite. Bernie declaring "decisive" victory was much closer to weasely... considering as of this moment, Pete is the winner and has the most SDE's. Iowa is a caucus and that's how delegates work. You don't get to declare victory because you won the popular, when that's not how the process is set up. Just ask Hillary.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Ain't got a subscription.Halifax2TheMax said:
https://apple.news/AizHAnpitRHyONtTeS2qU9QSpiritual_Chaos said:
Timestamp on when he "whined" about Iowa the most recent?Halifax2TheMax said:Bernie should quit whining about Iowa and move on already. Really Bernie, you can’t win coming in second in Iowa?
But whatevz. He gets questions about it. He and Petes agrees the popular vote is what counts, so Bernie won - jippie. Pete weasel-pushing the narrative of his win was "smart" but backbone-less. Bernie countered it by him saying how he won for real. just like Biden countered when Pete attacked.
And I don't need to ask "Hillary" - I CAN JUST ASK PETE:
"At risk of of sounding a little simplistic, one thing I believe is that in an american presidential election, the person who gets the most votes ought to be the person who wins"
The "Pete standard" as Jake Tapper calls it. And even Pete can't spin it:https://youtu.be/KpKJJ5lbOS8
(and now you maybe will say - but that is the presidential election, he didn't say ioooowaaaaaa - he's free on a technicality.
And we all know who famously was let free on a technicality)cuz he wants the fake social democrat that he cant vote for to win.dude is 79 yrs oldhe was a SD for 7 yrs of his adult life. the rest he's been independent.Now If you believe so strongly in a political philosophy why arent you representing that philosophy more tangibly by running as same?
It sounds to me like your beef should be with the DNC, at least as it relates to him running in the primary. If they let him run and he can get the votes, why wouldn't he? It's the easiest path for him to win that office.0 -
This fucking guy. 20 second clip if you click through.
"I think we disproportionately stop whites too much and minorities too little"
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Does this guy even know WHICH PARTY he's seeking the nomination from?pjl44 said:This fucking guy. 20 second clip if you click through.
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He could be trying to appeal to the Ralph Northam wing of the party.Ledbetterman10 said:
Does this guy even know WHICH PARTY he's seeking the nomination from?pjl44 said:This fucking guy. 20 second clip if you click through.
Although from 2001-2007, Trump was a registered Democrat and Bloomberg was a registered Republican. So who the hell knows really.0 -
Thought this was a good article on the current state of things.....
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/11/joe-biden-has-a-chance-win-democratic-nomination-113836
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Indifference said:Thought this was a good article on the current state of things.....
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/11/joe-biden-has-a-chance-win-democratic-nomination-113836
The headline is :This Democratic field is so flawed that even Biden still has a chance
I hope that means also, "Even Andrew Yang still has a chance to win". We need someone with a vision for the future (which is coming fast). That someone is Yang.
"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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C'mon @spiritual_chaos I'm ready to "face the argumentation". Explain to me why it's wrong for Pete to declare victory with an official lead in the delegates, but okay for Bernie who is behind to declare decisive victory? You're like our own little Joseph Goebbels, the minister of propaganda while you litter the boards with You Tube clip, memes and gifs.mrussel1 said:
So with your silly story, you're saying that because of the chance that re-canvassing may change teh result, Pete should not declare victory. By contrast, because the re-canvassing may change the result it's okay that Sanders declares "decisive" victory? Can you please square that logic, because it completely escapes common sense.Spiritual_Chaos said:
I just did. You just put your energy into putting people down, instead of having to face the argumentation. Proven not only by this, but also your "pot blabla kettle" post.mrussel1 said:
How about constructing a mature argument and actually countering my point.Spiritual_Chaos said:mrussel1 said:
Was he wrong? As of this moment, no he's not. So that means he had strong data coming from his precinct captains. Tell me what was weasly about it, and contrast it with why Sanders saying his victory was "decisive" is okay.Spiritual_Chaos said:
What was it when he declared victory and had his team call up every news source in america to make sure that story spread?mrussel1 said:
They didn't get the same delegate count, so why would anyone say that? It's 13-12 currently. Now that doesn't mean re-canvassing won't flip that, but as of now, it's not a tie.Spiritual_Chaos said:
If you were an honest man, you would say they both were the winners getting the same delegates. That is what it was all about?mrussel1 said:
Weasel pushing? I'd argue the opposite. Bernie declaring "decisive" victory was much closer to weasely... considering as of this moment, Pete is the winner and has the most SDE's. Iowa is a caucus and that's how delegates work. You don't get to declare victory because you won the popular, when that's not how the process is set up. Just ask Hillary.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Ain't got a subscription.Halifax2TheMax said:
https://apple.news/AizHAnpitRHyONtTeS2qU9QSpiritual_Chaos said:
Timestamp on when he "whined" about Iowa the most recent?Halifax2TheMax said:Bernie should quit whining about Iowa and move on already. Really Bernie, you can’t win coming in second in Iowa?
But whatevz. He gets questions about it. He and Petes agrees the popular vote is what counts, so Bernie won - jippie. Pete weasel-pushing the narrative of his win was "smart" but backbone-less. Bernie countered it by him saying how he won for real. just like Biden countered when Pete attacked.
And I don't need to ask "Hillary" - I CAN JUST ASK PETE:
"At risk of of sounding a little simplistic, one thing I believe is that in an american presidential election, the person who gets the most votes ought to be the person who wins"
The "Pete standard" as Jake Tapper calls it. And even Pete can't spin it:https://youtu.be/KpKJJ5lbOS8
(and now you maybe will say - but that is the presidential election, he didn't say ioooowaaaaaa - he's free on a technicality.
And we all know who famously was let free on a technicality)
A house is red.
Stupid Mayor: That house is blue.
Stupid Mayor lies.
Days later the house is painted blue.
M Russel: Was he wrong? As of this moment, no he's not.
If the house was red. Yes, he was wrong.
Tenses is a thing.
But it is okey. You have been bending backwards to try to save your arguments while they go sour in hours, for Biden and Pete these last few pages. I understand it takes a toll. You have been a (making up) Dream(s) Warrior.0 -
New Hampshire moron buys into Bernies Fake news about fake news.Spiritual_Chaos said:Quitcha bitching Bernie and Bros.hippiemom = goodness0
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