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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 6,381
    ecdanc said:
    pjl44 said:
    Via the NYPD themselves, felony offenses have continued to consistently fall from 2000-2019

    https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/stats/crime-statistics/historical.page
    But lerxst has to see homeless people!!

    By citing felony offenses only are you saying the broken window theory is completely false?
    YES. Even National Review admitted as much.
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    ecdanc said:
    pjl44 said:
    Via the NYPD themselves, felony offenses have continued to consistently fall from 2000-2019

    https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/stats/crime-statistics/historical.page
    But lerxst has to see homeless people!!

    When a homeless person lives in a subway car, that suffering individual will be the only person in that car. The police are starting to refuse to enter the subway, so that train must be taken out of service to to deal with the disenfranchised. This has an impact as to how the city operates. Four million people need to commute on Manhattan island on a typical workday.  Just the commuters. That’s four times the total population of the majority of cities on the Gigaton tour. Within 20 square miles 

    I support increasing spending to help the disenfranchised by billions. But taking on the police has consequences. By citing felony offenses only are you saying the broken window theory is completely false?
    Inconvenienced commuters vs. racist harassment. Tough call, eh?

    And "broken windows" is a justification, not a theory. 
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 3,751


    Bernie effectively ended is campaign this morning, congratulations 


    I've got news for the Republican establishment. I've got news for the Democratic establishment. They can't stop us.
    8:02 PM · Feb 21, 2020·Twitter Web App

  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 6,381
    Can't speak for the rest of the country, but this is northeast cities in a nutshell. No qualms about sacrificing someone else's liberty as long as they *feel* safe and the city *looks* nice. There is zero introspection when the statistics show them it's all in their head. And it's a trans partisan problem. 

    The Trump person is more unabashedly in favor of these policies. The Bloomberg person supports them but with more handwringing because they want to clear their conscience. At the end of the day, you're getting the policy though.
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 3,751
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    What would it be like if Mike Bloomberg actually won?
    Image result for stop and frisk

    Two sides to every story.


    What’s the city like after he left?

    It’s the Wild West in Penn Station.

    The vagrant whose alleged threats got a homeless outreach nonprofit to flee the transit hub in fear last weekend was holding court — and spewing hate at cops — there Thursday.

    Eugene Watts was spotted sipping a brown-bag beer in the station one day after The Post reported that embattled nonprofit Bowery Residents Committee up and abandoned its satellite office there because he allegedly threatened to shoot workers.

    Watts, who claims to be a former boxer, remained defiant Thursday.

    “Mr. Eugene Watts, you have five minutes to leave,” one of two passing Amtrak cops on patrol at the busy transit hub was heard telling Watts on Thursday. “There is a warrant out for your arrest.”


    Watts fired back: “Kiss my black ass. I’d rather go to jail. I can get an apartment.”

    The cops simply walked on.

    The tasteless tableau was one scene in a chaotic day at the terminal.

    On Wednesday, The Post revealed that taxpayer-funded BRC — which was slammed by the state comptroller last year for only dedicating 26 percent of its time to actual outreach — had been “indefinitely” closed because Watts allegedly threatened on Saturday to “come back with a gun and shoot you.”

    Watts, who denied the gun threat, was among the more than two dozen homeless people back at the station Thursday — many of whom had to be dealt with by police because BRC’s offices were closed and its workers scarce.

    BRC is under contract with Amtrak to run the outreach office to help the dozens of homeless people who frequent Penn Station on a regular basis.

    ....

    A union representing thousands of New York City police sergeants said Sunday that its members will go to "war" with Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) after a police officer was shot in what the mayor has called an assassination attempt.

    The Sergeant's Benevolent Association (SBA) tweeted Sunday that the mayor was not welcome to visit wounded officers in the hospital, and added that the officers had no "respect" for the Democratic mayor.

    "Mayor DeBlasio, the members of the NYPD are declaring war on you! We do not respect you, DO NOT visit us in hospitals. You sold the NYPD to the vile creatures, the 1% who hate cops but vote for you. NYPD cops have been assassinated because of you. This isn’t over, Game on!" the union's Twitter account posted.


    "Police are being targeted.The anti cop tone infecting our city & state is causing bloodshed. Before any public official sends their thoughts & prayers, they should ask themselves how the language & behavior they've been tolerating has contributed to violence against police," read another tweet from the union's account.



    .

    Someone I follow already put it better than I can: "Police unions aren’t unions because police aren’t workers."

    Interesting but wasn’t the point. All de blaze did was soften stop and frisk. And we are heading back into the seventies in NY. Insurrection ain’t fun. 

    The lucky msg ticket holders from outta town might be in for a teeny tiny post Bloomberg surprise on the 30th. Ed too. Will give even flow more passion.
    The last 1/3 of your post was basically direct quotes from the police union.....


    ecd pjl and Hal...


    My point is there are two sides to the stop and frisk story. Please stop confusing  my attempt to balance the presentation here with support for what NYPD is doing. The point is NY politics is a challenging balancing act and the taxpayers/commuters suffer. On both sides.
    It sounds to me like you want to have it both ways. What is the other side to the stop and frisk story in your view?

    The mayor is being attacked for comments captured from private conversations with police to help boost their morale. The balancing is when you don’t support the police you get the current situation with deblasio. The police are starting to refuse to enforce laws in Penn and the subways.

    one need not support a policy like SAF to know their are two sides to the story
    I’m not well versed on Bloomberg, but you are pointing to the delicate balancing act of a mayor.  It’s much different to administer a city govt and being one of a hundred senators.  The pull between the police union and activists is very difficult to navigate and someone is always criticizing.  


    Thank you. 

    not only is it a balancing act, it’s a balancing act in perhaps the most diverse city in the world. Both demographically and economically.

    instead of trying to understand the balancing act, let’s just put everyone’s views into our predetermined buckets. Thanks AMT.

    does anyone find it ironic, that the two candidates with the least in common, MB & PB, are under very similar attack, because they both had to deal with this balancing as chief executive of a city.
     :o 


    “ Civil-rights leaders of the recent past would be baffled by the pique here, as, I’m sure, would Americans who don’t spend most of their waking hours on social media. It’s been widely noted of late that “woke” white people are “woker” than most black people. It is also true that “woke” black people in academia and media are “woker” than a great many black people who don’t have the privilege of a byline. Harriot is assuming that Buttigieg must have meant that the lack of role models is due simply to some pathology among black people, when actually, almost anyone who publicly talks of role models in this way intends, via implication, that the lack of role models is due to larger societal factors.“

    :o
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 18,986
    OnWis97 said:
    Jason P said:
    Super Delegates are Bernie's krypto.  I'm assuming his opponents know the fix is in, which is why they don't bother too much with attacking him.  
    That and I can understand the frustration with a rich guy coming in late and the the possibility that the Dem strategy was gonna be to push him through (using said superdelegates).
    which is insane to me. Fuck both Bernie and Bloomberg. THEY ARENT DEMOCRATS. DNC should be getting behind lifelong Dems. Bye Warren......
    _____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________

    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 3,751
    OnWis97 said:
    Jason P said:
    Super Delegates are Bernie's krypto.  I'm assuming his opponents know the fix is in, which is why they don't bother too much with attacking him.  
    That and I can understand the frustration with a rich guy coming in late and the the possibility that the Dem strategy was gonna be to push him through (using said superdelegates).

    An outsider with 25% support, running on policies outside of what the majority of the  party supports, should not get benefit of getting the rules changed for his benefit. A position he disagreed with last time because it did not work for him then.

    ”because there are more democrats running than socialists we should change the rules to hand the nomination to the socialist “ said by SC probably.
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    What would it be like if Mike Bloomberg actually won?
    Image result for stop and frisk

    Two sides to every story.


    What’s the city like after he left?

    It’s the Wild West in Penn Station.

    The vagrant whose alleged threats got a homeless outreach nonprofit to flee the transit hub in fear last weekend was holding court — and spewing hate at cops — there Thursday.

    Eugene Watts was spotted sipping a brown-bag beer in the station one day after The Post reported that embattled nonprofit Bowery Residents Committee up and abandoned its satellite office there because he allegedly threatened to shoot workers.

    Watts, who claims to be a former boxer, remained defiant Thursday.

    “Mr. Eugene Watts, you have five minutes to leave,” one of two passing Amtrak cops on patrol at the busy transit hub was heard telling Watts on Thursday. “There is a warrant out for your arrest.”


    Watts fired back: “Kiss my black ass. I’d rather go to jail. I can get an apartment.”

    The cops simply walked on.

    The tasteless tableau was one scene in a chaotic day at the terminal.

    On Wednesday, The Post revealed that taxpayer-funded BRC — which was slammed by the state comptroller last year for only dedicating 26 percent of its time to actual outreach — had been “indefinitely” closed because Watts allegedly threatened on Saturday to “come back with a gun and shoot you.”

    Watts, who denied the gun threat, was among the more than two dozen homeless people back at the station Thursday — many of whom had to be dealt with by police because BRC’s offices were closed and its workers scarce.

    BRC is under contract with Amtrak to run the outreach office to help the dozens of homeless people who frequent Penn Station on a regular basis.

    ....

    A union representing thousands of New York City police sergeants said Sunday that its members will go to "war" with Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) after a police officer was shot in what the mayor has called an assassination attempt.

    The Sergeant's Benevolent Association (SBA) tweeted Sunday that the mayor was not welcome to visit wounded officers in the hospital, and added that the officers had no "respect" for the Democratic mayor.

    "Mayor DeBlasio, the members of the NYPD are declaring war on you! We do not respect you, DO NOT visit us in hospitals. You sold the NYPD to the vile creatures, the 1% who hate cops but vote for you. NYPD cops have been assassinated because of you. This isn’t over, Game on!" the union's Twitter account posted.


    "Police are being targeted.The anti cop tone infecting our city & state is causing bloodshed. Before any public official sends their thoughts & prayers, they should ask themselves how the language & behavior they've been tolerating has contributed to violence against police," read another tweet from the union's account.



    .

    Someone I follow already put it better than I can: "Police unions aren’t unions because police aren’t workers."

    Interesting but wasn’t the point. All de blaze did was soften stop and frisk. And we are heading back into the seventies in NY. Insurrection ain’t fun. 

    The lucky msg ticket holders from outta town might be in for a teeny tiny post Bloomberg surprise on the 30th. Ed too. Will give even flow more passion.
    The last 1/3 of your post was basically direct quotes from the police union.....


    ecd pjl and Hal...


    My point is there are two sides to the stop and frisk story. Please stop confusing  my attempt to balance the presentation here with support for what NYPD is doing. The point is NY politics is a challenging balancing act and the taxpayers/commuters suffer. On both sides.
    It sounds to me like you want to have it both ways. What is the other side to the stop and frisk story in your view?

    The mayor is being attacked for comments captured from private conversations with police to help boost their morale. The balancing is when you don’t support the police you get the current situation with deblasio. The police are starting to refuse to enforce laws in Penn and the subways.

    one need not support a policy like SAF to know their are two sides to the story
    I’m not well versed on Bloomberg, but you are pointing to the delicate balancing act of a mayor.  It’s much different to administer a city govt and being one of a hundred senators.  The pull between the police union and activists is very difficult to navigate and someone is always criticizing.  


    Thank you. 

    not only is it a balancing act, it’s a balancing act in perhaps the most diverse city in the world. Both demographically and economically.

    instead of trying to understand the balancing act, let’s just put everyone’s views into our predetermined buckets. Thanks AMT.

    does anyone find it ironic, that the two candidates with the least in common, MB & PB, are under very similar attack, because they both had to deal with this balancing as chief executive of a city.
     :o 


    “ Civil-rights leaders of the recent past would be baffled by the pique here, as, I’m sure, would Americans who don’t spend most of their waking hours on social media. It’s been widely noted of late that “woke” white people are “woker” than most black people. It is also true that “woke” black people in academia and media are “woker” than a great many black people who don’t have the privilege of a byline. Harriot is assuming that Buttigieg must have meant that the lack of role models is due simply to some pathology among black people, when actually, almost anyone who publicly talks of role models in this way intends, via implication, that the lack of role models is due to larger societal factors.“

    :o
    #TeamHarriot
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 3,751
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    pjl44 said:
    Via the NYPD themselves, felony offenses have continued to consistently fall from 2000-2019

    https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/stats/crime-statistics/historical.page
    But lerxst has to see homeless people!!

    When a homeless person lives in a subway car, that suffering individual will be the only person in that car. The police are starting to refuse to enter the subway, so that train must be taken out of service to to deal with the disenfranchised. This has an impact as to how the city operates. Four million people need to commute on Manhattan island on a typical workday.  Just the commuters. That’s four times the total population of the majority of cities on the Gigaton tour. Within 20 square miles 

    I support increasing spending to help the disenfranchised by billions. But taking on the police has consequences. By citing felony offenses only are you saying the broken window theory is completely false?
    Inconvenienced commuters vs. racist harassment. Tough call, eh?

    And "broken windows" is a justification, not a theory. 

    You’ve conveniently left off dealing with the ultimate power broker in your equation. 
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    ecdanc said:
    mrussel1 said:
    pjl44 said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    What would it be like if Mike Bloomberg actually won?
    Image result for stop and frisk

    Two sides to every story.


    What’s the city like after he left?

    It’s the Wild West in Penn Station.

    The vagrant whose alleged threats got a homeless outreach nonprofit to flee the transit hub in fear last weekend was holding court — and spewing hate at cops — there Thursday.

    Eugene Watts was spotted sipping a brown-bag beer in the station one day after The Post reported that embattled nonprofit Bowery Residents Committee up and abandoned its satellite office there because he allegedly threatened to shoot workers.

    Watts, who claims to be a former boxer, remained defiant Thursday.

    “Mr. Eugene Watts, you have five minutes to leave,” one of two passing Amtrak cops on patrol at the busy transit hub was heard telling Watts on Thursday. “There is a warrant out for your arrest.”


    Watts fired back: “Kiss my black ass. I’d rather go to jail. I can get an apartment.”

    The cops simply walked on.

    The tasteless tableau was one scene in a chaotic day at the terminal.

    On Wednesday, The Post revealed that taxpayer-funded BRC — which was slammed by the state comptroller last year for only dedicating 26 percent of its time to actual outreach — had been “indefinitely” closed because Watts allegedly threatened on Saturday to “come back with a gun and shoot you.”

    Watts, who denied the gun threat, was among the more than two dozen homeless people back at the station Thursday — many of whom had to be dealt with by police because BRC’s offices were closed and its workers scarce.

    BRC is under contract with Amtrak to run the outreach office to help the dozens of homeless people who frequent Penn Station on a regular basis.

    ....

    A union representing thousands of New York City police sergeants said Sunday that its members will go to "war" with Mayor Bill de Blasio (D) after a police officer was shot in what the mayor has called an assassination attempt.

    The Sergeant's Benevolent Association (SBA) tweeted Sunday that the mayor was not welcome to visit wounded officers in the hospital, and added that the officers had no "respect" for the Democratic mayor.

    "Mayor DeBlasio, the members of the NYPD are declaring war on you! We do not respect you, DO NOT visit us in hospitals. You sold the NYPD to the vile creatures, the 1% who hate cops but vote for you. NYPD cops have been assassinated because of you. This isn’t over, Game on!" the union's Twitter account posted.


    "Police are being targeted.The anti cop tone infecting our city & state is causing bloodshed. Before any public official sends their thoughts & prayers, they should ask themselves how the language & behavior they've been tolerating has contributed to violence against police," read another tweet from the union's account.



    .

    Someone I follow already put it better than I can: "Police unions aren’t unions because police aren’t workers."

    Interesting but wasn’t the point. All de blaze did was soften stop and frisk. And we are heading back into the seventies in NY. Insurrection ain’t fun. 

    The lucky msg ticket holders from outta town might be in for a teeny tiny post Bloomberg surprise on the 30th. Ed too. Will give even flow more passion.
    The last 1/3 of your post was basically direct quotes from the police union.....


    ecd pjl and Hal...


    My point is there are two sides to the stop and frisk story. Please stop confusing  my attempt to balance the presentation here with support for what NYPD is doing. The point is NY politics is a challenging balancing act and the taxpayers/commuters suffer. On both sides.
    It sounds to me like you want to have it both ways. What is the other side to the stop and frisk story in your view?

    The mayor is being attacked for comments captured from private conversations with police to help boost their morale. The balancing is when you don’t support the police you get the current situation with deblasio. The police are starting to refuse to enforce laws in Penn and the subways.

    one need not support a policy like SAF to know their are two sides to the story
    I’m not well versed on Bloomberg, but you are pointing to the delicate balancing act of a mayor.  It’s much different to administer a city govt and being one of a hundred senators.  The pull between the police union and activists is very difficult to navigate and someone is always criticizing.  


    Thank you. 

    not only is it a balancing act, it’s a balancing act in perhaps the most diverse city in the world. Both demographically and economically.

    instead of trying to understand the balancing act, let’s just put everyone’s views into our predetermined buckets. Thanks AMT.

    does anyone find it ironic, that the two candidates with the least in common, MB & PB, are under very similar attack, because they both had to deal with this balancing as chief executive of a city.
     :o 


    “ Civil-rights leaders of the recent past would be baffled by the pique here, as, I’m sure, would Americans who don’t spend most of their waking hours on social media. It’s been widely noted of late that “woke” white people are “woker” than most black people. It is also true that “woke” black people in academia and media are “woker” than a great many black people who don’t have the privilege of a byline. Harriot is assuming that Buttigieg must have meant that the lack of role models is due simply to some pathology among black people, when actually, almost anyone who publicly talks of role models in this way intends, via implication, that the lack of role models is due to larger societal factors.“

    :o
    I actually have taught a McWhorter essay (this one: https://www.forbes.com/2008/12/30/end-of-racism-oped-cx_jm_1230mcwhorter.html#124c2f8449f8) in my class on contemporary racism. He represents a certain, interesting position against which I contrast scholars of race and racism. 
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 3,751
    pjl44 said:
    Can't speak for the rest of the country, but this is northeast cities in a nutshell. No qualms about sacrificing someone else's liberty as long as they *feel* safe and the city *looks* nice. There is zero introspection when the statistics show them it's all in their head. And it's a trans partisan problem. 

    The Trump person is more unabashedly in favor of these policies. The Bloomberg person supports them but with more handwringing because they want to clear their conscience. At the end of the day, you're getting the policy though.


    Dude, as I’ve said more often that PJ will be playin alive this year, I do not support SAF. I’m not sure if there are any other NYers posting here today, but I’m pointing out dealing with the NYPD in a diverse city  ain’t easy. I hate guiliani but his broken window campaign began at the exact moment the high felony NYC era ended and SAF began. 
  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,584




    That -0- is going to lose him ALOT of general election votes. 
    THE FOCUS ON COST IGNORES COVERAGE.  Medicare provides HORRIBLE COVERAGE. I'm taking care of my mother who is on Medicare, and if she didn't have supplemental private insurance through Kaiser, she would have no health care at all. Medicare is fine if you are at death's door in the hospital, and even then, the rules you have to follow can be confusing. If you mess up -- or as happened in our case, the social workers give you wrong information -- you're stuck with a huge bill, which happened to my mother and my family.  But thank God for her private supplemental, or we would be broke paying for her chronic health conditions since then. People have no idea what an M4A plan actually means. Basically, nothing. Quit telling people what it will cost and actually explain the coverage, and I guarantee you nobody will want it.
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 3,751
    The highly conservative village voice paints a stark timeline of NYC crime.


    record high homicides in 1990 which was cut by nearly 70% in 1998. Wonder what could have happened in between.

    https://www.villagevoice.com/2014/08/07/the-rise-and-fall-of-crime-in-new-york-city-a-timeline/
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 3,751




    That -0- is going to lose him ALOT of general election votes. 
    THE FOCUS ON COST IGNORES COVERAGE.  Medicare provides HORRIBLE COVERAGE. I'm taking care of my mother who is on Medicare, and if she didn't have supplemental private insurance through Kaiser, she would have no health care at all. Medicare is fine if you are at death's door in the hospital, and even then, the rules you have to follow can be confusing. If you mess up -- or as happened in our case, the social workers give you wrong information -- you're stuck with a huge bill, which happened to my mother and my family.  But thank God for her private supplemental, or we would be broke paying for her chronic health conditions since then. People have no idea what an M4A plan actually means. Basically, nothing. Quit telling people what it will cost and actually explain the coverage, and I guarantee you nobody will want it.

    We are not sure if Bernie is using Medicare as a moniker or he will actually be keeping the current system for all. Sorry to hear about your situation. 
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    pjl44 said:
    Can't speak for the rest of the country, but this is northeast cities in a nutshell. No qualms about sacrificing someone else's liberty as long as they *feel* safe and the city *looks* nice. There is zero introspection when the statistics show them it's all in their head. And it's a trans partisan problem. 

    The Trump person is more unabashedly in favor of these policies. The Bloomberg person supports them but with more handwringing because they want to clear their conscience. At the end of the day, you're getting the policy though.


    Dude, as I’ve said more often that PJ will be playin alive this year, I do not support SAF. I’m not sure if there are any other NYers posting here today, but I’m pointing out dealing with the NYPD in a diverse city  ain’t easy. I hate guiliani but his broken window campaign began at the exact moment the high felony NYC era ended and SAF began. 
    Statistics seem to suggest the beginning of the crime-rate decline happened before Giuliani was mayor. 
  • "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Now both Joe and Bernie have used the word "thug" @mrussel1

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    The highly conservative village voice paints a stark timeline of NYC crime.


    record high homicides in 1990 which was cut by nearly 70% in 1998. Wonder what could have happened in between.

    https://www.villagevoice.com/2014/08/07/the-rise-and-fall-of-crime-in-new-york-city-a-timeline/
    “Listen, I’m against stop and frisk...but I also believe racist policing gets results.”
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 14,431
    ecdanc said:
    The highly conservative village voice paints a stark timeline of NYC crime.


    record high homicides in 1990 which was cut by nearly 70% in 1998. Wonder what could have happened in between.

    https://www.villagevoice.com/2014/08/07/the-rise-and-fall-of-crime-in-new-york-city-a-timeline/
    “Listen, I’m against stop and frisk...but I also believe racist policing gets results.”
    You do a great job of using quotes 100% wrong. Do you know what a quote is? You can read about it.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    ecdanc said:
    The highly conservative village voice paints a stark timeline of NYC crime.


    record high homicides in 1990 which was cut by nearly 70% in 1998. Wonder what could have happened in between.

    https://www.villagevoice.com/2014/08/07/the-rise-and-fall-of-crime-in-new-york-city-a-timeline/
    “Listen, I’m against stop and frisk...but I also believe racist policing gets results.”
    You do a great job of using quotes 100% wrong. Do you know what a quote is? You can read about it.
    I was just thinking I needed writing advice from you
  • ecdanc said:
    The highly conservative village voice paints a stark timeline of NYC crime.


    record high homicides in 1990 which was cut by nearly 70% in 1998. Wonder what could have happened in between.

    https://www.villagevoice.com/2014/08/07/the-rise-and-fall-of-crime-in-new-york-city-a-timeline/
    “Listen, I’m against stop and frisk...but I also believe racist policing gets results.”
    You do a great job of using quotes 100% wrong. Do you know what a quote is? You can read about it.
    Are you slowly turning into @mrussel1 and @mcgruff10 haha.  Trying to go for the "learn how to quote" take down?

    Didn't go so well for them when they tried that on me a few pages back. 

    Haha.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    ecdanc said:
    The highly conservative village voice paints a stark timeline of NYC crime.


    record high homicides in 1990 which was cut by nearly 70% in 1998. Wonder what could have happened in between.

    https://www.villagevoice.com/2014/08/07/the-rise-and-fall-of-crime-in-new-york-city-a-timeline/
    “Listen, I’m against stop and frisk...but I also believe racist policing gets results.”
    You do a great job of using quotes 100% wrong. Do you know what a quote is? You can read about it.
    What’s really funny is if YOU actually looked this up, you’d find you’re wrong. Silly bear. 
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 14,431
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    The highly conservative village voice paints a stark timeline of NYC crime.


    record high homicides in 1990 which was cut by nearly 70% in 1998. Wonder what could have happened in between.

    https://www.villagevoice.com/2014/08/07/the-rise-and-fall-of-crime-in-new-york-city-a-timeline/
    “Listen, I’m against stop and frisk...but I also believe racist policing gets results.”
    You do a great job of using quotes 100% wrong. Do you know what a quote is? You can read about it.
    I was just thinking I needed writing advice from you
    Kinda sad isn’t it?
    hippiemom = goodness
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    The highly conservative village voice paints a stark timeline of NYC crime.


    record high homicides in 1990 which was cut by nearly 70% in 1998. Wonder what could have happened in between.

    https://www.villagevoice.com/2014/08/07/the-rise-and-fall-of-crime-in-new-york-city-a-timeline/
    “Listen, I’m against stop and frisk...but I also believe racist policing gets results.”
    You do a great job of using quotes 100% wrong. Do you know what a quote is? You can read about it.
    I was just thinking I needed writing advice from you
    Kinda sad isn’t it?
    Your posts do make me sad. And tired. 
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 14,431
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    The highly conservative village voice paints a stark timeline of NYC crime.


    record high homicides in 1990 which was cut by nearly 70% in 1998. Wonder what could have happened in between.

    https://www.villagevoice.com/2014/08/07/the-rise-and-fall-of-crime-in-new-york-city-a-timeline/
    “Listen, I’m against stop and frisk...but I also believe racist policing gets results.”
    You do a great job of using quotes 100% wrong. Do you know what a quote is? You can read about it.
    I was just thinking I needed writing advice from you
    Kinda sad isn’t it?
    Your posts do make me sad. And tired. 
    “I’m so smart and unwilling to ever listen to others yet I pretend to always want to learn when in reality I just want to be a condescending #%>”
    hippiemom = goodness
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    The highly conservative village voice paints a stark timeline of NYC crime.


    record high homicides in 1990 which was cut by nearly 70% in 1998. Wonder what could have happened in between.

    https://www.villagevoice.com/2014/08/07/the-rise-and-fall-of-crime-in-new-york-city-a-timeline/
    “Listen, I’m against stop and frisk...but I also believe racist policing gets results.”
    You do a great job of using quotes 100% wrong. Do you know what a quote is? You can read about it.
    I was just thinking I needed writing advice from you
    Kinda sad isn’t it?
    Your posts do make me sad. And tired. 
    “I’m so smart and unwilling to ever listen to others yet I pretend to always want to learn when in reality I just want to be a condescending #%>”
    See. I taught you something. 
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 14,431
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    ecdanc said:
    The highly conservative village voice paints a stark timeline of NYC crime.


    record high homicides in 1990 which was cut by nearly 70% in 1998. Wonder what could have happened in between.

    https://www.villagevoice.com/2014/08/07/the-rise-and-fall-of-crime-in-new-york-city-a-timeline/
    “Listen, I’m against stop and frisk...but I also believe racist policing gets results.”
    You do a great job of using quotes 100% wrong. Do you know what a quote is? You can read about it.
    I was just thinking I needed writing advice from you
    Kinda sad isn’t it?
    Your posts do make me sad. And tired. 
    “I’m so smart and unwilling to ever listen to others yet I pretend to always want to learn when in reality I just want to be a condescending #%>”
    See. I taught you something. 
    You sure have 
    hippiemom = goodness
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 21,897
    edited February 22
    So what do you guys think of Amy? Is the surge over? 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,584




    That -0- is going to lose him ALOT of general election votes. 
    THE FOCUS ON COST IGNORES COVERAGE.  Medicare provides HORRIBLE COVERAGE. I'm taking care of my mother who is on Medicare, and if she didn't have supplemental private insurance through Kaiser, she would have no health care at all. Medicare is fine if you are at death's door in the hospital, and even then, the rules you have to follow can be confusing. If you mess up -- or as happened in our case, the social workers give you wrong information -- you're stuck with a huge bill, which happened to my mother and my family.  But thank God for her private supplemental, or we would be broke paying for her chronic health conditions since then. People have no idea what an M4A plan actually means. Basically, nothing. Quit telling people what it will cost and actually explain the coverage, and I guarantee you nobody will want it.

    We are not sure if Bernie is using Medicare as a moniker or he will actually be keeping the current system for all. Sorry to hear about your situation. 

    We're not sure? It's in writing. Here is the text of the Sanders's bill in the Senate. https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/1129/text?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%221129%22%5D%7D&r=7#toc-id25c91cb96228483495ad9de0b47b79f8 

    There are a lot of words. If you read it, you see the provisions in the bill that are problematic for me (and I'm sure there are many others):
    1.  Providers have to agree to participate -- so, doctors who don't want to, don't have to, giving lie to the platitude that you can keep your doctor. Maybe. If your doctor doesn't participate and you want to keep your doctor, you are at the mercy of whatever your doctor charges. This will only further the divide between the haves and have nots. There is a provision for private insurance, but private insurance can't be "duplicative." In other words, private insurance can only cover what M4A doesn't. We may all end up needing supplemental anyway on top of what we pay for M4A because of #2 below.
    2.  If you look at the "Administration" section of the bill, you see that the HHS Secretary is charged with developing all the "policies." Among those policies to be developed are: "benefits provided;" "the determination of medical necessity and appropriateness with respect to coverage of certain services."  In other words, while we generally know that the bill calls for "comprehensive coverage" WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT MEANS AND WON'T UNTIL AFTER THE BILL IS PASSED.
    3.  the establishment of a "health care budget" every year. LOL -- when was the last time Congress passed a budget without threat of shutting down the government -- so that nobody gets paid, including doctors? When the government shuts down, do hospitals continue to operate? Will doctors close their doors? It's a nightmare scenario. Why on earth would we turn our health care system over to the government when our government leaders can't be trusted to do anything other than investigate each other, and they can't even do that right?

    Medicare for All is the number one reason why I will not vote for Bernie Sanders if he is our nominee. End of story. I will sit out the election. It's a horrible choice -- Trump v. Sanders. Good God how did we arrive here?
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 14,431
    So what do you guys think of Amy? Is the surge over? 
    I think it is. She had a poor debate and with her $ and lack of national recognition, she needed to perform amazingly. Her margin for error was the smallest of the bunch 
    hippiemom = goodness
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