This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton. Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.
Tell it to the SCs of the world.
In reality Bernie has zero health care plan as there's no way in hell his gets passed by congress.
Exactly. That's why this notion that Bernie will turn the country into Soviet Russia is absurd. If elected president, he'd be blocked at every turn by the congress (both Republicans and moderate democrats). But at least he'd return the country to a bit of normalcy following Trump.
I also think it's not out of the realm of possibility that he can beat Trump. If it's down to just the two of them in the general, anything can happen. As was the case in 2016. 2020 will likely be the highest voter turnout ever. And the democrats are pretty good at registering young people to vote. So if they actually backed Sanders to the fullest, it's possible he can win. But they probably won't. They'll cross their arms and pout, and blame people that voted for Sanders in the primary for Trump's re-election.
This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton. Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.
In 2016, the DNC put forward a right-leaning moderate that got no one excited. At least Sanders has a base.
Completely agree. People that like him, REALLY like him. And people that are skeptical can maybe see the good in him if he's up against Trump. It might not be a contest between capitalism and socialism. It might be a contest between Trump and Sanders. Who do you like more? The more likeable canidate seems to win most of the time, Obama being a good example.
This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton. Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.
Tell it to the SCs of the world.
In reality Bernie has zero health care plan as there's no way in hell his gets passed by congress.
Exactly. That's why this notion that Bernie will turn the country into Soviet Russia is absurd. If elected president, he'd be blocked at every turn by the congress (both Republicans and moderate democrats). But at least he'd return the country to a bit of normalcy following Trump.
I also think it's not out of the realm of possibility that he can beat Trump. If it's down to just the two of them in the general, anything can happen. As was the case in 2016. 2020 will likely be the highest voter turnout ever. And the democrats are pretty good at registering young people to vote. So if they actually backed Sanders to the fullest, it's possible he can win. But they probably won't. They'll cross their arms and pout, and blame people that voted for Sanders in the primary for Trump's re-election.
I agree. Is there a name for the moderate bro's?
A lot of running around with their hair on fire at a potential Sanders nomination. I guess now they know how progressives feel about moderate candidates and their fear that they can't win.
Everyone just needs to calm down and prepare to do everything they can to get whoever is the nominee elected. Unite and stop the whining.
This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton. Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.
In 2016, the DNC put forward a right-leaning moderate that got no one excited. At least Sanders has a base.
Completely agree. People that like him, REALLY like him. And people that are skeptical can maybe see the good in him if he's up against Trump. It might not be a contest between capitalism and socialism. It might be a contest between Trump and Sanders. Who do you like more? The more likeable canidate seems to win most of the time, Obama being a good example.
Well that's the problem with Sanders, something I was thinking about this morning. He has one disposition...angry. That's it. He smiles once in a while but is generally humorless, and I always feel like he's yelling at me. I don't know that it plays well in a general.
This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton. Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.
Tell it to the SCs of the world.
In reality Bernie has zero health care plan as there's no way in hell his gets passed by congress.
Exactly. That's why this notion that Bernie will turn the country into Soviet Russia is absurd. If elected president, he'd be blocked at every turn by the congress (both Republicans and moderate democrats). But at least he'd return the country to a bit of normalcy following Trump.
I also think it's not out of the realm of possibility that he can beat Trump. If it's down to just the two of them in the general, anything can happen. As was the case in 2016. 2020 will likely be the highest voter turnout ever. And the democrats are pretty good at registering young people to vote. So if they actually backed Sanders to the fullest, it's possible he can win. But they probably won't. They'll cross their arms and pout, and blame people that voted for Sanders in the primary for Trump's re-election.
I agree. Is there a name for the moderate bro's?
A lot of running around with their hair on fire at a potential Sanders nomination. I guess now they know how progressives feel about moderate candidates and their fear that they can't win.
Everyone just needs to calm down and prepare to do everything they can to get whoever is the nominee elected. Unite and stop the whining.
I have several acquaintances that I refer to as militant moderates. They're the people who rarely have any ideas, but they LOVE to talk about how everyone else's ideas are just too crazy. You can identify the militant moderate because they're always using the words "compromise," "reasonable," "consensus," "progress," and the like. For some people, it's an ethos--no matter the situation (a presidential election, a department meeting, chatting over beers) you can count on them to eye-roll any notion beyond the most milquetoast banality.
This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton. Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.
Tell it to the SCs of the world.
In reality Bernie has zero health care plan as there's no way in hell his gets passed by congress.
Exactly. That's why this notion that Bernie will turn the country into Soviet Russia is absurd. If elected president, he'd be blocked at every turn by the congress (both Republicans and moderate democrats). But at least he'd return the country to a bit of normalcy following Trump.
I also think it's not out of the realm of possibility that he can beat Trump. If it's down to just the two of them in the general, anything can happen. As was the case in 2016. 2020 will likely be the highest voter turnout ever. And the democrats are pretty good at registering young people to vote. So if they actually backed Sanders to the fullest, it's possible he can win. But they probably won't. They'll cross their arms and pout, and blame people that voted for Sanders in the primary for Trump's re-election.
I agree. Is there a name for the moderate bro's?
A lot of running around with their hair on fire at a potential Sanders nomination. I guess now they know how progressives feel about moderate candidates and their fear that they can't win.
Everyone just needs to calm down and prepare to do everything they can to get whoever is the nominee elected. Unite and stop the whining.
I have several acquaintances that I refer to as militant moderates. They're the people who rarely have any ideas, but they LOVE to talk about how everyone else's ideas are just too crazy. You can identify the militant moderate because they're always using the words "compromise," "reasonable," "consensus," "progress," and the like. For some people, it's an ethos--no matter the situation (a presidential election, a department meeting, chatting over beers) you can count on them to eye-roll any notion beyond the most milquetoast banality.
Well sometimes no idea is better than a terrible one. But I'm sure these radicals would take issue with your declaration that they have no ideas. They just think yours suck.
This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton. Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.
In 2016, the DNC put forward a right-leaning moderate that got no one excited. At least Sanders has a base.
Completely agree. People that like him, REALLY like him. And people that are skeptical can maybe see the good in him if he's up against Trump. It might not be a contest between capitalism and socialism. It might be a contest between Trump and Sanders. Who do you like more? The more likeable canidate seems to win most of the time, Obama being a good example.
Well that's the problem with Sanders, something I was thinking about this morning. He has one disposition...angry. That's it. He smiles once in a while but is generally humorless, and I always feel like he's yelling at me. I don't know that it plays well in a general.
This narrative once again. Lol. HE DOESN'T SMILE AND SOMETHING ABOUT BERNIE BROS AND EXECUTIONS IN CENTRAL PARK
This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton. Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.
In 2016, the DNC put forward a right-leaning moderate that got no one excited. At least Sanders has a base.
Completely agree. People that like him, REALLY like him. And people that are skeptical can maybe see the good in him if he's up against Trump. It might not be a contest between capitalism and socialism. It might be a contest between Trump and Sanders. Who do you like more? The more likeable canidate seems to win most of the time, Obama being a good example.
Well that's the problem with Sanders, something I was thinking about this morning. He has one disposition...angry. That's it. He smiles once in a while but is generally humorless, and I always feel like he's yelling at me. I don't know that it plays well in a general.
That's a good point: he's totally a curmudgeon. I guess why I find him likeable is that I do believe he really has a passion for helping the people that have been left behind. Poor folks, minorities, people without healthcare, etc. All the democrats will claim that (hell, even Trump will "claim" that), but to me, Sanders is the only one that comes off as genuine (and passionate) in that regard.
He'll also bring the fight to Trump. He won't cower down like Hillary did. He won't respond with contrived bullshit like Warren would. He won't fumble and bumble like Bloomberg and Biden. I dunno, I see everything wrong with the possibility of him going up against Trump, but I don't see much "right" in the other Dems, so the guy with fight and passion (and passionate supporters) might be the way to go.
Bloomberg isn't beating Trump. I don't care how much money he has or how many ads he floods the NBA Playoffs with. The dude is totally lame and if Warren can neuter him like that, Trump will eat him alive. Biden has a better chance than Bloomberg against Trump.
This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton. Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.
In 2016, the DNC put forward a right-leaning moderate that got no one excited. At least Sanders has a base.
Completely agree. People that like him, REALLY like him. And people that are skeptical can maybe see the good in him if he's up against Trump. It might not be a contest between capitalism and socialism. It might be a contest between Trump and Sanders. Who do you like more? The more likeable canidate seems to win most of the time, Obama being a good example.
Well that's the problem with Sanders, something I was thinking about this morning. He has one disposition...angry. That's it. He smiles once in a while but is generally humorless, and I always feel like he's yelling at me. I don't know that it plays well in a general.
This narrative once again. Lol. HE DOESN'T SMILE AND SOMETHING ABOUT BERNIE BROS AND EXECUTIONS IN CENTRAL PARK
If you've seen debates and interviews he is not humourless.
I've been watching him a long time. I said 'generally' humorless, and he is. Look at Pete when Warren was launching that idiot attack on four candidates at one, when she declared that his health plan was from consultants. He took it in stride, laughed and moved forward. Dude has thick skin and I like it.
This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton. Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.
Tell it to the SCs of the world.
In reality Bernie has zero health care plan as there's no way in hell his gets passed by congress.
Exactly. That's why this notion that Bernie will turn the country into Soviet Russia is absurd. If elected president, he'd be blocked at every turn by the congress (both Republicans and moderate democrats). But at least he'd return the country to a bit of normalcy following Trump.
I also think it's not out of the realm of possibility that he can beat Trump. If it's down to just the two of them in the general, anything can happen. As was the case in 2016. 2020 will likely be the highest voter turnout ever. And the democrats are pretty good at registering young people to vote. So if they actually backed Sanders to the fullest, it's possible he can win. But they probably won't. They'll cross their arms and pout, and blame people that voted for Sanders in the primary for Trump's re-election.
I agree. Is there a name for the moderate bro's?
A lot of running around with their hair on fire at a potential Sanders nomination. I guess now they know how progressives feel about moderate candidates and their fear that they can't win.
Everyone just needs to calm down and prepare to do everything they can to get whoever is the nominee elected. Unite and stop the whining.
I have several acquaintances that I refer to as militant moderates. They're the people who rarely have any ideas, but they LOVE to talk about how everyone else's ideas are just too crazy. You can identify the militant moderate because they're always using the words "compromise," "reasonable," "consensus," "progress," and the like. For some people, it's an ethos--no matter the situation (a presidential election, a department meeting, chatting over beers) you can count on them to eye-roll any notion beyond the most milquetoast banality.
Well sometimes no idea is better than a terrible one. But I'm sure these radicals would take issue with your declaration that they have no ideas. They just think yours suck.
This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton. Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.
Tell it to the SCs of the world.
In reality Bernie has zero health care plan as there's no way in hell his gets passed by congress.
Exactly. That's why this notion that Bernie will turn the country into Soviet Russia is absurd. If elected president, he'd be blocked at every turn by the congress (both Republicans and moderate democrats). But at least he'd return the country to a bit of normalcy following Trump.
I also think it's not out of the realm of possibility that he can beat Trump. If it's down to just the two of them in the general, anything can happen. As was the case in 2016. 2020 will likely be the highest voter turnout ever. And the democrats are pretty good at registering young people to vote. So if they actually backed Sanders to the fullest, it's possible he can win. But they probably won't. They'll cross their arms and pout, and blame people that voted for Sanders in the primary for Trump's re-election.
I agree. Is there a name for the moderate bro's?
A lot of running around with their hair on fire at a potential Sanders nomination. I guess now they know how progressives feel about moderate candidates and their fear that they can't win.
Everyone just needs to calm down and prepare to do everything they can to get whoever is the nominee elected. Unite and stop the whining.
I have several acquaintances that I refer to as militant moderates. They're the people who rarely have any ideas, but they LOVE to talk about how everyone else's ideas are just too crazy. You can identify the militant moderate because they're always using the words "compromise," "reasonable," "consensus," "progress," and the like. For some people, it's an ethos--no matter the situation (a presidential election, a department meeting, chatting over beers) you can count on them to eye-roll any notion beyond the most milquetoast banality.
Well sometimes no idea is better than a terrible one. But I'm sure these radicals would take issue with your declaration that they have no ideas. They just think yours suck.
This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton. Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.
In 2016, the DNC put forward a right-leaning moderate that got no one excited. At least Sanders has a base.
Completely agree. People that like him, REALLY like him. And people that are skeptical can maybe see the good in him if he's up against Trump. It might not be a contest between capitalism and socialism. It might be a contest between Trump and Sanders. Who do you like more? The more likeable canidate seems to win most of the time, Obama being a good example.
Well that's the problem with Sanders, something I was thinking about this morning. He has one disposition...angry. That's it. He smiles once in a while but is generally humorless, and I always feel like he's yelling at me. I don't know that it plays well in a general.
This narrative once again. Lol. HE DOESN'T SMILE AND SOMETHING ABOUT BERNIE BROS AND EXECUTIONS IN CENTRAL PARK
If you've seen debates and interviews he is not humourless.
I've been watching him a long time. I said 'generally' humorless, and he is. Look at Pete when Warren was launching that idiot attack on four candidates at one, when she declared that his health plan was from consultants. He took it in stride, laughed and moved forward. Dude has thick skin and I like it.
Agree Re:Pete. Always in control. People say they want that...but their actions show they don't. They want a loud-mouthed person blaming someone else for their problems and talking about policies that even their staunches supporters in congress say can't happen. Sound familiar?
This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton. Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.
In 2016, the DNC put forward a right-leaning moderate that got no one excited. At least Sanders has a base.
Completely agree. People that like him, REALLY like him. And people that are skeptical can maybe see the good in him if he's up against Trump. It might not be a contest between capitalism and socialism. It might be a contest between Trump and Sanders. Who do you like more? The more likeable canidate seems to win most of the time, Obama being a good example.
Well that's the problem with Sanders, something I was thinking about this morning. He has one disposition...angry. That's it. He smiles once in a while but is generally humorless, and I always feel like he's yelling at me. I don't know that it plays well in a general.
This narrative once again. Lol. HE DOESN'T SMILE AND SOMETHING ABOUT BERNIE BROS AND EXECUTIONS IN CENTRAL PARK
If you've seen debates and interviews he is not humourless.
I've been watching him a long time. I said 'generally' humorless, and he is. Look at Pete when Warren was launching that idiot attack on four candidates at one, when she declared that his health plan was from consultants. He took it in stride, laughed and moved forward. Dude has thick skin and I like it.
Agree Re:Pete. Always in control. People say they want that...but their actions show they don't. They want a loud-mouthed person blaming someone else for their problems and talking about policies that even their staunches supporters in congress say can't happen. Sound familiar?
This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton. Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.
Tell it to the SCs of the world.
In reality Bernie has zero health care plan as there's no way in hell his gets passed by congress.
Exactly. That's why this notion that Bernie will turn the country into Soviet Russia is absurd. If elected president, he'd be blocked at every turn by the congress (both Republicans and moderate democrats). But at least he'd return the country to a bit of normalcy following Trump.
I also think it's not out of the realm of possibility that he can beat Trump. If it's down to just the two of them in the general, anything can happen. As was the case in 2016. 2020 will likely be the highest voter turnout ever. And the democrats are pretty good at registering young people to vote. So if they actually backed Sanders to the fullest, it's possible he can win. But they probably won't. They'll cross their arms and pout, and blame people that voted for Sanders in the primary for Trump's re-election.
I agree. Is there a name for the moderate bro's?
A lot of running around with their hair on fire at a potential Sanders nomination. I guess now they know how progressives feel about moderate candidates and their fear that they can't win.
Everyone just needs to calm down and prepare to do everything they can to get whoever is the nominee elected. Unite and stop the whining.
I have several acquaintances that I refer to as militant moderates. They're the people who rarely have any ideas, but they LOVE to talk about how everyone else's ideas are just too crazy. You can identify the militant moderate because they're always using the words "compromise," "reasonable," "consensus," "progress," and the like. For some people, it's an ethos--no matter the situation (a presidential election, a department meeting, chatting over beers) you can count on them to eye-roll any notion beyond the most milquetoast banality.
I'm shocked to learn you label another group of people...shocked I say!
This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton. Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.
In 2016, the DNC put forward a right-leaning moderate that got no one excited. At least Sanders has a base.
Completely agree. People that like him, REALLY like him. And people that are skeptical can maybe see the good in him if he's up against Trump. It might not be a contest between capitalism and socialism. It might be a contest between Trump and Sanders. Who do you like more? The more likeable canidate seems to win most of the time, Obama being a good example.
Well that's the problem with Sanders, something I was thinking about this morning. He has one disposition...angry. That's it. He smiles once in a while but is generally humorless, and I always feel like he's yelling at me. I don't know that it plays well in a general.
He is always yelling at you and talking down to you...and he will tax the shit out of you.
This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton. Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.
Tell it to the SCs of the world.
In reality Bernie has zero health care plan as there's no way in hell his gets passed by congress.
Exactly. That's why this notion that Bernie will turn the country into Soviet Russia is absurd. If elected president, he'd be blocked at every turn by the congress (both Republicans and moderate democrats). But at least he'd return the country to a bit of normalcy following Trump.
I also think it's not out of the realm of possibility that he can beat Trump. If it's down to just the two of them in the general, anything can happen. As was the case in 2016. 2020 will likely be the highest voter turnout ever. And the democrats are pretty good at registering young people to vote. So if they actually backed Sanders to the fullest, it's possible he can win. But they probably won't. They'll cross their arms and pout, and blame people that voted for Sanders in the primary for Trump's re-election.
I agree. Is there a name for the moderate bro's?
A lot of running around with their hair on fire at a potential Sanders nomination. I guess now they know how progressives feel about moderate candidates and their fear that they can't win.
Everyone just needs to calm down and prepare to do everything they can to get whoever is the nominee elected. Unite and stop the whining.
I have several acquaintances that I refer to as militant moderates. They're the people who rarely have any ideas, but they LOVE to talk about how everyone else's ideas are just too crazy. You can identify the militant moderate because they're always using the words "compromise," "reasonable," "consensus," "progress," and the like. For some people, it's an ethos--no matter the situation (a presidential election, a department meeting, chatting over beers) you can count on them to eye-roll any notion beyond the most milquetoast banality.
I'm shocked to learn you label another group of people...shocked I say!
"People say they want that...but their actions show they don't. They want a loud-mouthed person blaming someone else for their problems and talking about policies that even their staunches supporters in congress say can't happen."
This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton. Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.
In 2016, the DNC put forward a right-leaning moderate that got no one excited. At least Sanders has a base.
Completely agree. People that like him, REALLY like him. And people that are skeptical can maybe see the good in him if he's up against Trump. It might not be a contest between capitalism and socialism. It might be a contest between Trump and Sanders. Who do you like more? The more likeable canidate seems to win most of the time, Obama being a good example.
Well that's the problem with Sanders, something I was thinking about this morning. He has one disposition...angry. That's it. He smiles once in a while but is generally humorless, and I always feel like he's yelling at me. I don't know that it plays well in a general.
He is always yelling at you and talking down to you...and he will tax the shit out of you.
Maybe if you should be yelled at, you perceive it that way.
A lot of people seem to feel he is bringing them with him on the journey to reaching the very baseline of a working humane country*.
* scientifically proven
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton. Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.
In 2016, the DNC put forward a right-leaning moderate that got no one excited. At least Sanders has a base.
Completely agree. People that like him, REALLY like him. And people that are skeptical can maybe see the good in him if he's up against Trump. It might not be a contest between capitalism and socialism. It might be a contest between Trump and Sanders. Who do you like more? The more likeable canidate seems to win most of the time, Obama being a good example.
Well that's the problem with Sanders, something I was thinking about this morning. He has one disposition...angry. That's it. He smiles once in a while but is generally humorless, and I always feel like he's yelling at me. I don't know that it plays well in a general.
He is always yelling at you and talking down to you...and he will tax the shit out of you.
Maybe if you should be yelled at, you perceive it that way.
A lot of people seem to feel he is bringing them with him on the journey to reaching the very baseline of a working humane country*.
* scientifically proven
Yes, if you're already on that train I'm sure it's very compelling. If you're not, then he doesn't move the needle with the style.
This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton. Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.
In 2016, the DNC put forward a right-leaning moderate that got no one excited. At least Sanders has a base.
Completely agree. People that like him, REALLY like him. And people that are skeptical can maybe see the good in him if he's up against Trump. It might not be a contest between capitalism and socialism. It might be a contest between Trump and Sanders. Who do you like more? The more likeable canidate seems to win most of the time, Obama being a good example.
Well that's the problem with Sanders, something I was thinking about this morning. He has one disposition...angry. That's it. He smiles once in a while but is generally humorless, and I always feel like he's yelling at me. I don't know that it plays well in a general.
This narrative once again. Lol. HE DOESN'T SMILE AND SOMETHING ABOUT BERNIE BROS AND EXECUTIONS IN CENTRAL PARK
If you've seen debates and interviews he is not humourless.
I've been watching him a long time. I said 'generally' humorless, and he is. Look at Pete when Warren was launching that idiot attack on four candidates at one, when she declared that his health plan was from consultants. He took it in stride, laughed and moved forward. Dude has thick skin and I like it.
I'm not saying he's not agitated. But you have to empathise with him, the dude sees the world richest country punishing it's own people in the name of unchecked greed.
The dude looks at all other major countries and their healthcare, how long people live, how they are not getting personally bankrupt and then looks back at his own.
How could you not be.
But yes he is grandpa-without-hearing-aid shouty.
Haha, will look at that part again and focus on Pete. When she said Amys plan was written down on a post it note.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton. Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.
In 2016, the DNC put forward a right-leaning moderate that got no one excited. At least Sanders has a base.
Completely agree. People that like him, REALLY like him. And people that are skeptical can maybe see the good in him if he's up against Trump. It might not be a contest between capitalism and socialism. It might be a contest between Trump and Sanders. Who do you like more? The more likeable canidate seems to win most of the time, Obama being a good example.
Well that's the problem with Sanders, something I was thinking about this morning. He has one disposition...angry. That's it. He smiles once in a while but is generally humorless, and I always feel like he's yelling at me. I don't know that it plays well in a general.
This narrative once again. Lol. HE DOESN'T SMILE AND SOMETHING ABOUT BERNIE BROS AND EXECUTIONS IN CENTRAL PARK
If you've seen debates and interviews he is not humourless.
I've been watching him a long time. I said 'generally' humorless, and he is. Look at Pete when Warren was launching that idiot attack on four candidates at one, when she declared that his health plan was from consultants. He took it in stride, laughed and moved forward. Dude has thick skin and I like it.
I'm not saying he's not agitated. But you have to empathise with him, the dude sees the world richest country punishing it's own people in the name of unchecked greed.
The dude looks at all other major countries and their healthcare, how long people live, how they are not getting personally bankrupt and then looks back at his own.
How could you not be.
But yes he is grandpa-without-hearing-aid shouty.
Haha, will look at that part again and focus on Pete. When she said Amys plan was written down on a post it note.
Yes, that's the part. The MSNBC screen was split on Pete. I thought his reaction was great.
This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton. Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.
In 2016, the DNC put forward a right-leaning moderate that got no one excited. At least Sanders has a base.
Completely agree. People that like him, REALLY like him. And people that are skeptical can maybe see the good in him if he's up against Trump. It might not be a contest between capitalism and socialism. It might be a contest between Trump and Sanders. Who do you like more? The more likeable canidate seems to win most of the time, Obama being a good example.
Well that's the problem with Sanders, something I was thinking about this morning. He has one disposition...angry. That's it. He smiles once in a while but is generally humorless, and I always feel like he's yelling at me. I don't know that it plays well in a general.
He is always yelling at you and talking down to you...and he will tax the shit out of you.
Maybe if you should be yelled at, you perceive it that way.
A lot of people seem to feel he is bringing them with him on the journey to reaching the very baseline of a working humane country*.
* scientifically proven
Yes, if you're already on that train I'm sure it's very compelling. If you're not, then he doesn't move the needle with the style.
Yeah. He def comes of as stubborn and "is it's me his angry at?"-ish. I see that.
But I think it would be hard to rework that part of his brand, because it's also who he is. I also think the "WHY SHOULD I HELP OUT ANYONE ELSE?" group of voters, wouldn't vote for him and his empathic policies anyways.
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton. Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.
In 2016, the DNC put forward a right-leaning moderate that got no one excited. At least Sanders has a base.
Completely agree. People that like him, REALLY like him. And people that are skeptical can maybe see the good in him if he's up against Trump. It might not be a contest between capitalism and socialism. It might be a contest between Trump and Sanders. Who do you like more? The more likeable canidate seems to win most of the time, Obama being a good example.
Well that's the problem with Sanders, something I was thinking about this morning. He has one disposition...angry. That's it. He smiles once in a while but is generally humorless, and I always feel like he's yelling at me. I don't know that it plays well in a general.
He is always yelling at you and talking down to you...and he will tax the shit out of you.
Maybe if you should be yelled at, you perceive it that way.
A lot of people seem to feel he is bringing them with him on the journey to reaching the very baseline of a working humane country*.
* scientifically proven
Nah he is just yelling all the time. I admire his passion, not his method nor his platform. But his passion is admirable. I wonder how he hasn't realized how to modify approach to get past his base support. Because his base is strong and ain't going anywhere.
This election is going to be even worse than Trump-Clinton. Trump-Sanders...a lose lose.
Tell it to the SCs of the world.
In reality Bernie has zero health care plan as there's no way in hell his gets passed by congress.
Exactly. That's why this notion that Bernie will turn the country into Soviet Russia is absurd. If elected president, he'd be blocked at every turn by the congress (both Republicans and moderate democrats). But at least he'd return the country to a bit of normalcy following Trump.
I also think it's not out of the realm of possibility that he can beat Trump. If it's down to just the two of them in the general, anything can happen. As was the case in 2016. 2020 will likely be the highest voter turnout ever. And the democrats are pretty good at registering young people to vote. So if they actually backed Sanders to the fullest, it's possible he can win. But they probably won't. They'll cross their arms and pout, and blame people that voted for Sanders in the primary for Trump's re-election.
I agree. Is there a name for the moderate bro's?
A lot of running around with their hair on fire at a potential Sanders nomination. I guess now they know how progressives feel about moderate candidates and their fear that they can't win.
Everyone just needs to calm down and prepare to do everything they can to get whoever is the nominee elected. Unite and stop the whining.
I have several acquaintances that I refer to as militant moderates. They're the people who rarely have any ideas, but they LOVE to talk about how everyone else's ideas are just too crazy. You can identify the militant moderate because they're always using the words "compromise," "reasonable," "consensus," "progress," and the like. For some people, it's an ethos--no matter the situation (a presidential election, a department meeting, chatting over beers) you can count on them to eye-roll any notion beyond the most milquetoast banality.
I'm shocked to learn you label another group of people...shocked I say!
"People say they want that...but their actions show they don't. They want a loud-mouthed person blaming someone else for their problems and talking about policies that even their staunches supporters in congress say can't happen."
Ummmmm....I didn't give them a nickname like you and your buddy Trump always do...nor did I claim they are sexist, racist, etc or invent a fake dog whistle narrative to deflect from discussing a topic. Oh, I forgot "strawman"...didn't do that either.
As I said, I have about another hour to watch tonight. BUt from what I saw, I sure hope Bloomberg goes away or at least his support does. That guy is running on elect-ability and his elect-ability seems to be among the lowest based on his inability to be effective on a debate stage. He made Joe Biden look put together on the stage...and that is tough to do.
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Tell it to the SCs of the world.
In reality Bernie has zero health care plan as there's no way in hell his gets passed by congress.
I also think it's not out of the realm of possibility that he can beat Trump. If it's down to just the two of them in the general, anything can happen. As was the case in 2016. 2020 will likely be the highest voter turnout ever. And the democrats are pretty good at registering young people to vote. So if they actually backed Sanders to the fullest, it's possible he can win. But they probably won't. They'll cross their arms and pout, and blame people that voted for Sanders in the primary for Trump's re-election.
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A lot of running around with their hair on fire at a potential Sanders nomination. I guess now they know how progressives feel about moderate candidates and their fear that they can't win.
Everyone just needs to calm down and prepare to do everything they can to get whoever is the nominee elected. Unite and stop the whining.
If you've seen debates and interviews he is not humourless.
He'll also bring the fight to Trump. He won't cower down like Hillary did. He won't respond with contrived bullshit like Warren would. He won't fumble and bumble like Bloomberg and Biden. I dunno, I see everything wrong with the possibility of him going up against Trump, but I don't see much "right" in the other Dems, so the guy with fight and passion (and passionate supporters) might be the way to go.
Bloomberg isn't beating Trump. I don't care how much money he has or how many ads he floods the NBA Playoffs with. The dude is totally lame and if Warren can neuter him like that, Trump will eat him alive. Biden has a better chance than Bloomberg against Trump.
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I agree with these thoughts.
A lot of people seem to feel he is bringing them with him on the journey to reaching the very baseline of a working humane country*.
* scientifically proven
The dude looks at all other major countries and their healthcare, how long people live, how they are not getting personally bankrupt and then looks back at his own.
How could you not be.
But yes he is grandpa-without-hearing-aid shouty.
Haha, will look at that part again and focus on Pete. When she said Amys plan was written down on a post it note.
But I think it would be hard to rework that part of his brand, because it's also who he is. I also think the "WHY SHOULD I HELP OUT ANYONE ELSE?" group of voters, wouldn't vote for him and his empathic policies anyways.