Without reading through all posts, what are thoughts on Bloomberg?
Would be pretty low on my list. Authoritarian who's trying to buy the nomination.
Until we pass a constitutional amendment limiting campaign spending, this is our system.
democrats can either play this game or watch from the sidelines.
The majority of New York is low crime. High crime does exist but is centered in very specific neighborhoods. You need to put the cops where the crime occurs. Unfortunately Bloomberg made disparaging comments about alleged criminals and focused his comments towards race instead of location. But in no way did I support stop and frisk. It went too far.
Crime occurs where you put the cops.
Sure, socioeconomic conditions are irrelevant. In fact, before there was such a thing as a police force, it was like Eden.
You should read Michelle Alexander's _The New Jim Crow_.
Without reading through all posts, what are thoughts on Bloomberg?
Would be pretty low on my list. Authoritarian who's trying to buy the nomination.
Until we pass a constitutional amendment limiting campaign spending, this is our system.
democrats can either play this game or watch from the sidelines.
The majority of New York is low crime. High crime does exist but is centered in very specific neighborhoods. You need to put the cops where the crime occurs. Unfortunately Bloomberg made disparaging comments about alleged criminals and focused his comments towards race instead of location. But in no way did I support stop and frisk. It went too far.
You're definitely preaching to the choir on campaign spending. He's not doing anything illegal but it's obnoxious to watch and one more reason for me to not like the guy.
Stop and frisk is a big part of it for me. And his deference to China and wrangling a third term. If you look at his record, it's easy to see how he was a Republican. I'm surprised how much he's being embraced.
This does not look so republican to me-
Create a Medicare-like public insurance option
Improve and expand enrollment in Affordable Care Act plans
Allow people to keep their private insurance
Cap health care prices
Lower drug costs
Expand access to dental, hearing, and vision coverage
Create a permanent reinsurance program that reduces customer premiums
A normal moderate Republican similar to Romney.
The spectrum has moved so far right that he seems almost left.
"Create a Medicare-like public insurance option"
Would be the most progressive healthcare system in the history of the United States
He has said he thinks it's the best option...but...not everyone wants it AND Bernie can;t pay for it. He said in the last debate that a medicare for all who want it plan would first and foremost ensure everyone has coverage (which is the important part no?) and create the public option. And if it's as good as bernie says and he thinks, people will choose it over time.
This is so rational and the argument I've made for quite a while. If medicare offers comparable services at a better cost, it will choke out private insurance OR force private to lower its premiums. It's a great strategy and proof of concept. M4A presumes that every American prefers that gov't driven insurance. I support choice.
The thing about Medicare that I don't really see discussed is that beneficiaries today still have plenty of out of pocket costs. They pay a premium. Most have a supplemental private plan that controls Medicare's coinsurance. Do people know that? Or do they think they'd be getting something free? Are candidates proposing to keep the current structure but just expand eligibility? Or are they purposefully staying away from all that?
This is correct. I have Medicare but no supplemental insurance. What Medicare doesn't cover is out of my pocket. And not everything is covered. No dental, only partly vision. No Shringrix vaccination (ouch! that one hurt twice!) Don't get me wrong- I feel fortunate to have what coverage I have through Medicare- but it isn't all covered, that's for sure.
Since we're on the subject of insurance- I know most here are not old enough to worry about it yet, but eventually you might want to consider long-term care insurance. We both did and it was a smart move. It is not something you want to be without when the time comes. I'm not there yet, (so no wise cracks you jokers, lol), but we are paying into it. Only $38 per month and could save us hugely in the future.
Yeah but the upside is you got to see Hendrix!
I'm close enough that Medicare is starting to be on the horizon and am aware of the 20% not covered. And the gop wants to make it worse. The dems should be fear mongering about the gop taking away healthcare instead of squabbling over which Medicare version is best.... I've thought about LTC insurance but am too worried about insurance companies going bankrupt or being bought out and not honoring older policies.
Without reading through all posts, what are thoughts on Bloomberg?
Would be pretty low on my list. Authoritarian who's trying to buy the nomination.
Until we pass a constitutional amendment limiting campaign spending, this is our system.
democrats can either play this game or watch from the sidelines.
The majority of New York is low crime. High crime does exist but is centered in very specific neighborhoods. You need to put the cops where the crime occurs. Unfortunately Bloomberg made disparaging comments about alleged criminals and focused his comments towards race instead of location. But in no way did I support stop and frisk. It went too far.
Crime occurs where you put the cops.
Sure, socioeconomic conditions are irrelevant. In fact, before there was such a thing as a police force, it was like Eden.
You should read Michelle Alexander's _The New Jim Crow_.
Will it tell me that there was no crime before law enforcement? I mean I guess you could argue that there was no crime before a criminal code. But that would be a short book.
Without reading through all posts, what are thoughts on Bloomberg?
Would be pretty low on my list. Authoritarian who's trying to buy the nomination.
Until we pass a constitutional amendment limiting campaign spending, this is our system.
democrats can either play this game or watch from the sidelines.
The majority of New York is low crime. High crime does exist but is centered in very specific neighborhoods. You need to put the cops where the crime occurs. Unfortunately Bloomberg made disparaging comments about alleged criminals and focused his comments towards race instead of location. But in no way did I support stop and frisk. It went too far.
You're definitely preaching to the choir on campaign spending. He's not doing anything illegal but it's obnoxious to watch and one more reason for me to not like the guy.
Stop and frisk is a big part of it for me. And his deference to China and wrangling a third term. If you look at his record, it's easy to see how he was a Republican. I'm surprised how much he's being embraced.
This does not look so republican to me-
Create a Medicare-like public insurance option
Improve and expand enrollment in Affordable Care Act plans
Allow people to keep their private insurance
Cap health care prices
Lower drug costs
Expand access to dental, hearing, and vision coverage
Create a permanent reinsurance program that reduces customer premiums
A normal moderate Republican similar to Romney.
The spectrum has moved so far right that he seems almost left.
"Create a Medicare-like public insurance option"
Would be the most progressive healthcare system in the history of the United States
Yes, but is that really the measuring stick?
I'm baffled by the people here who think M4A is some pie-eyed betrayal of DNC principles. Harry Truman of all people supported a universal system (that went farther than FDR and the New Deal). Christ, if Harry fucking Truman showed up in 2020, he'd be labeled a Socialist!
Without reading through all posts, what are thoughts on Bloomberg?
Would be pretty low on my list. Authoritarian who's trying to buy the nomination.
Until we pass a constitutional amendment limiting campaign spending, this is our system.
democrats can either play this game or watch from the sidelines.
The majority of New York is low crime. High crime does exist but is centered in very specific neighborhoods. You need to put the cops where the crime occurs. Unfortunately Bloomberg made disparaging comments about alleged criminals and focused his comments towards race instead of location. But in no way did I support stop and frisk. It went too far.
Crime occurs where you put the cops.
Sure, socioeconomic conditions are irrelevant. In fact, before there was such a thing as a police force, it was like Eden.
You should read Michelle Alexander's _The New Jim Crow_.
Will it tell me that there was no crime before law enforcement? I mean I guess you could argue that there was no crime before a criminal code. But that would be a short book.
It will tell you why the post to which I was responding is a gross oversimplification, and explain how law and law enforcement have *produced* new/specific forms of criminality (as part of the long history of systemic US racism). If one wants to understand Bloomberg's stop-and-frisk, et al, there's probably not a better starting point.
Without reading through all posts, what are thoughts on Bloomberg?
Would be pretty low on my list. Authoritarian who's trying to buy the nomination.
Until we pass a constitutional amendment limiting campaign spending, this is our system.
democrats can either play this game or watch from the sidelines.
The majority of New York is low crime. High crime does exist but is centered in very specific neighborhoods. You need to put the cops where the crime occurs. Unfortunately Bloomberg made disparaging comments about alleged criminals and focused his comments towards race instead of location. But in no way did I support stop and frisk. It went too far.
You're definitely preaching to the choir on campaign spending. He's not doing anything illegal but it's obnoxious to watch and one more reason for me to not like the guy.
Stop and frisk is a big part of it for me. And his deference to China and wrangling a third term. If you look at his record, it's easy to see how he was a Republican. I'm surprised how much he's being embraced.
This does not look so republican to me-
Create a Medicare-like public insurance option
Improve and expand enrollment in Affordable Care Act plans
Allow people to keep their private insurance
Cap health care prices
Lower drug costs
Expand access to dental, hearing, and vision coverage
Create a permanent reinsurance program that reduces customer premiums
A normal moderate Republican similar to Romney.
The spectrum has moved so far right that he seems almost left.
"Create a Medicare-like public insurance option"
Would be the most progressive healthcare system in the history of the United States
Yes, but is that really the measuring stick?
I'm baffled by the people here who think M4A is some pie-eyed betrayal of DNC principles. Harry Truman of all people supported a universal system (that went farther than FDR and the New Deal). Christ, if Harry fucking Truman showed up in 2020, he'd be labeled a Socialist!
It's because you're ignoring the culture of health insurance today. There was not a structured, mature market of employer based health care until the post war period. So Truman's 'idea' as it were, was new, novel and filling a void. There's a big difference between filling a void and trying to replace something that the vast majority of working Americans are on today. This is why 'choice' is so appealing to many on the left.
Without reading through all posts, what are thoughts on Bloomberg?
Would be pretty low on my list. Authoritarian who's trying to buy the nomination.
Until we pass a constitutional amendment limiting campaign spending, this is our system.
democrats can either play this game or watch from the sidelines.
The majority of New York is low crime. High crime does exist but is centered in very specific neighborhoods. You need to put the cops where the crime occurs. Unfortunately Bloomberg made disparaging comments about alleged criminals and focused his comments towards race instead of location. But in no way did I support stop and frisk. It went too far.
You're definitely preaching to the choir on campaign spending. He's not doing anything illegal but it's obnoxious to watch and one more reason for me to not like the guy.
Stop and frisk is a big part of it for me. And his deference to China and wrangling a third term. If you look at his record, it's easy to see how he was a Republican. I'm surprised how much he's being embraced.
This does not look so republican to me-
Create a Medicare-like public insurance option
Improve and expand enrollment in Affordable Care Act plans
Allow people to keep their private insurance
Cap health care prices
Lower drug costs
Expand access to dental, hearing, and vision coverage
Create a permanent reinsurance program that reduces customer premiums
A normal moderate Republican similar to Romney.
The spectrum has moved so far right that he seems almost left.
"Create a Medicare-like public insurance option"
Would be the most progressive healthcare system in the history of the United States
Yes, but is that really the measuring stick?
I'm baffled by the people here who think M4A is some pie-eyed betrayal of DNC principles. Harry Truman of all people supported a universal system (that went farther than FDR and the New Deal). Christ, if Harry fucking Truman showed up in 2020, he'd be labeled a Socialist!
It's because you're ignoring the culture of health insurance today. There was not a structured, mature market of employer based health care until the post war period. So Truman's 'idea' as it were, was new, novel and filling a void. There's a big difference between filling a void and trying to replace something that the vast majority of working Americans are on today. This is why 'choice' is so appealing to many on the left.
Without reading through all posts, what are thoughts on Bloomberg?
Would be pretty low on my list. Authoritarian who's trying to buy the nomination.
Until we pass a constitutional amendment limiting campaign spending, this is our system.
democrats can either play this game or watch from the sidelines.
The majority of New York is low crime. High crime does exist but is centered in very specific neighborhoods. You need to put the cops where the crime occurs. Unfortunately Bloomberg made disparaging comments about alleged criminals and focused his comments towards race instead of location. But in no way did I support stop and frisk. It went too far.
You're definitely preaching to the choir on campaign spending. He's not doing anything illegal but it's obnoxious to watch and one more reason for me to not like the guy.
Stop and frisk is a big part of it for me. And his deference to China and wrangling a third term. If you look at his record, it's easy to see how he was a Republican. I'm surprised how much he's being embraced.
This does not look so republican to me-
Create a Medicare-like public insurance option
Improve and expand enrollment in Affordable Care Act plans
Allow people to keep their private insurance
Cap health care prices
Lower drug costs
Expand access to dental, hearing, and vision coverage
Create a permanent reinsurance program that reduces customer premiums
A normal moderate Republican similar to Romney.
The spectrum has moved so far right that he seems almost left.
"Create a Medicare-like public insurance option"
Would be the most progressive healthcare system in the history of the United States
Yes, but is that really the measuring stick?
I'm baffled by the people here who think M4A is some pie-eyed betrayal of DNC principles. Harry Truman of all people supported a universal system (that went farther than FDR and the New Deal). Christ, if Harry fucking Truman showed up in 2020, he'd be labeled a Socialist!
Probably Eisenhower would be labeled a liberal as well. That's the point and it's why moderation is the proper vote in 2020.
The point is to WIN. The electoral college gives a disproportionate voting power to the swing states and trumps base.
We risk everything if we start giving the oppositions socialist argument validity with a too progressive plan right now.
The 2 oldest Justices are liberal and over 80 and might need to be replaced between now and Jan 2025.
We could be risking a 7-2 supreme court. That could be staunchly conservative for at least 30 years and ANY liberal healthcare mandate would be out the window until 2055.
Without reading through all posts, what are thoughts on Bloomberg?
Would be pretty low on my list. Authoritarian who's trying to buy the nomination.
Until we pass a constitutional amendment limiting campaign spending, this is our system.
democrats can either play this game or watch from the sidelines.
The majority of New York is low crime. High crime does exist but is centered in very specific neighborhoods. You need to put the cops where the crime occurs. Unfortunately Bloomberg made disparaging comments about alleged criminals and focused his comments towards race instead of location. But in no way did I support stop and frisk. It went too far.
You're definitely preaching to the choir on campaign spending. He's not doing anything illegal but it's obnoxious to watch and one more reason for me to not like the guy.
Stop and frisk is a big part of it for me. And his deference to China and wrangling a third term. If you look at his record, it's easy to see how he was a Republican. I'm surprised how much he's being embraced.
This does not look so republican to me-
Create a Medicare-like public insurance option
Improve and expand enrollment in Affordable Care Act plans
Allow people to keep their private insurance
Cap health care prices
Lower drug costs
Expand access to dental, hearing, and vision coverage
Create a permanent reinsurance program that reduces customer premiums
A normal moderate Republican similar to Romney.
The spectrum has moved so far right that he seems almost left.
"Create a Medicare-like public insurance option"
Would be the most progressive healthcare system in the history of the United States
This is redundant to his "Improve the ACA" plank. We would have both? How would they differ and how would eligibility for each differ? It tells me he either doesn't know what he's talking about or he just wants the political capital of advocating for both (even though it makes no sense).
She should have at least explained how to lie about your heritage to further your career. The struggling college student needs any help she can get. Instead she took her $3 and acted like it was something amazing the student did.
Without reading through all posts, what are thoughts on Bloomberg?
Would be pretty low on my list. Authoritarian who's trying to buy the nomination.
Until we pass a constitutional amendment limiting campaign spending, this is our system.
democrats can either play this game or watch from the sidelines.
The majority of New York is low crime. High crime does exist but is centered in very specific neighborhoods. You need to put the cops where the crime occurs. Unfortunately Bloomberg made disparaging comments about alleged criminals and focused his comments towards race instead of location. But in no way did I support stop and frisk. It went too far.
You're definitely preaching to the choir on campaign spending. He's not doing anything illegal but it's obnoxious to watch and one more reason for me to not like the guy.
Stop and frisk is a big part of it for me. And his deference to China and wrangling a third term. If you look at his record, it's easy to see how he was a Republican. I'm surprised how much he's being embraced.
This does not look so republican to me-
Create a Medicare-like public insurance option
Improve and expand enrollment in Affordable Care Act plans
Allow people to keep their private insurance
Cap health care prices
Lower drug costs
Expand access to dental, hearing, and vision coverage
Create a permanent reinsurance program that reduces customer premiums
A normal moderate Republican similar to Romney.
The spectrum has moved so far right that he seems almost left.
"Create a Medicare-like public insurance option"
Would be the most progressive healthcare system in the history of the United States
This is redundant to his "Improve the ACA" plank. We would have both? How would they differ and how would eligibility for each differ? It tells me he either doesn't know what he's talking about or he just wants the political capital of advocating for both (even though it makes no sense).
With the ACA, you are on an exchange for private insurers. It does not offer you the chance to purchase any form of gov't facilitated insurance. The choice option would provide that option.
She should have at least explained how to lie about your heritage to further your career. The struggling college student needs any help she can get. Instead she took her $3 and acted like it was something amazing the student did.
I agree with this... I thought it was an odd thing to publicize. Although I bet the girl is actually supported by her parents and not the last $6 to which she had access.
Regarding the "improve the plank" comment... Have medicare as an option on the exchanges and also an option to be provided by employers. Expand the rebates to make it affordable for everyone.
But as I said above if we go too far left we risk a conservative court til 2055 and we have a better chance to live in Neil Peart's opus than seeing any govt assisted plan for all for the majority of this century.
Without reading through all posts, what are thoughts on Bloomberg?
Would be pretty low on my list. Authoritarian who's trying to buy the nomination.
Until we pass a constitutional amendment limiting campaign spending, this is our system.
democrats can either play this game or watch from the sidelines.
The majority of New York is low crime. High crime does exist but is centered in very specific neighborhoods. You need to put the cops where the crime occurs. Unfortunately Bloomberg made disparaging comments about alleged criminals and focused his comments towards race instead of location. But in no way did I support stop and frisk. It went too far.
You're definitely preaching to the choir on campaign spending. He's not doing anything illegal but it's obnoxious to watch and one more reason for me to not like the guy.
Stop and frisk is a big part of it for me. And his deference to China and wrangling a third term. If you look at his record, it's easy to see how he was a Republican. I'm surprised how much he's being embraced.
This does not look so republican to me-
Create a Medicare-like public insurance option
Improve and expand enrollment in Affordable Care Act plans
Allow people to keep their private insurance
Cap health care prices
Lower drug costs
Expand access to dental, hearing, and vision coverage
Create a permanent reinsurance program that reduces customer premiums
A normal moderate Republican similar to Romney.
The spectrum has moved so far right that he seems almost left.
"Create a Medicare-like public insurance option"
Would be the most progressive healthcare system in the history of the United States
Yes, but is that really the measuring stick?
I'm baffled by the people here who think M4A is some pie-eyed betrayal of DNC principles. Harry Truman of all people supported a universal system (that went farther than FDR and the New Deal). Christ, if Harry fucking Truman showed up in 2020, he'd be labeled a Socialist!
Probably Eisenhower would be labeled a liberal as well. That's the point and it's why moderation is the proper vote in 2020.
The point is to WIN. The electoral college gives a disproportionate voting power to the swing states and trumps base.
We risk everything if we start giving the oppositions socialist argument validity with a too progressive plan right now.
The 2 oldest Justices are liberal and over 80 and might need to be replaced between now and Jan 2025.
We could be risking a 7-2 supreme court. That could be staunchly conservative for at least 30 years and ANY liberal healthcare mandate would be out the window until 2055.
You and I have very different definitions of what it means to win, so maybe don't use "we" when responding to me.
Without reading through all posts, what are thoughts on Bloomberg?
Would be pretty low on my list. Authoritarian who's trying to buy the nomination.
Until we pass a constitutional amendment limiting campaign spending, this is our system.
democrats can either play this game or watch from the sidelines.
The majority of New York is low crime. High crime does exist but is centered in very specific neighborhoods. You need to put the cops where the crime occurs. Unfortunately Bloomberg made disparaging comments about alleged criminals and focused his comments towards race instead of location. But in no way did I support stop and frisk. It went too far.
You're definitely preaching to the choir on campaign spending. He's not doing anything illegal but it's obnoxious to watch and one more reason for me to not like the guy.
Stop and frisk is a big part of it for me. And his deference to China and wrangling a third term. If you look at his record, it's easy to see how he was a Republican. I'm surprised how much he's being embraced.
This does not look so republican to me-
Create a Medicare-like public insurance option
Improve and expand enrollment in Affordable Care Act plans
Allow people to keep their private insurance
Cap health care prices
Lower drug costs
Expand access to dental, hearing, and vision coverage
Create a permanent reinsurance program that reduces customer premiums
A normal moderate Republican similar to Romney.
The spectrum has moved so far right that he seems almost left.
"Create a Medicare-like public insurance option"
Would be the most progressive healthcare system in the history of the United States
Yes, but is that really the measuring stick?
I'm baffled by the people here who think M4A is some pie-eyed betrayal of DNC principles. Harry Truman of all people supported a universal system (that went farther than FDR and the New Deal). Christ, if Harry fucking Truman showed up in 2020, he'd be labeled a Socialist!
Probably Eisenhower would be labeled a liberal as well. That's the point and it's why moderation is the proper vote in 2020.
The point is to WIN. The electoral college gives a disproportionate voting power to the swing states and trumps base.
We risk everything if we start giving the oppositions socialist argument validity with a too progressive plan right now.
The 2 oldest Justices are liberal and over 80 and might need to be replaced between now and Jan 2025.
We could be risking a 7-2 supreme court. That could be staunchly conservative for at least 30 years and ANY liberal healthcare mandate would be out the window until 2055.
You and I have very different definitions of what it means to win, so maybe don't use "we" when responding to me.
"We" was referring to the Democrats as in the topic of this thread.
Instead of thinking my comment is personal, how about addressing the risks of locking in a conservative court for 30 years? I'm assuming you are down with that.
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Without reading through all posts, what are thoughts on Bloomberg?
Would be pretty low on my list. Authoritarian who's trying to buy the nomination.
Until we pass a constitutional amendment limiting campaign spending, this is our system.
democrats can either play this game or watch from the sidelines.
The majority of New York is low crime. High crime does exist but is centered in very specific neighborhoods. You need to put the cops where the crime occurs. Unfortunately Bloomberg made disparaging comments about alleged criminals and focused his comments towards race instead of location. But in no way did I support stop and frisk. It went too far.
You're definitely preaching to the choir on campaign spending. He's not doing anything illegal but it's obnoxious to watch and one more reason for me to not like the guy.
Stop and frisk is a big part of it for me. And his deference to China and wrangling a third term. If you look at his record, it's easy to see how he was a Republican. I'm surprised how much he's being embraced.
This does not look so republican to me-
Create a Medicare-like public insurance option
Improve and expand enrollment in Affordable Care Act plans
Allow people to keep their private insurance
Cap health care prices
Lower drug costs
Expand access to dental, hearing, and vision coverage
Create a permanent reinsurance program that reduces customer premiums
A normal moderate Republican similar to Romney.
The spectrum has moved so far right that he seems almost left.
"Create a Medicare-like public insurance option"
Would be the most progressive healthcare system in the history of the United States
Yes, but is that really the measuring stick?
I'm baffled by the people here who think M4A is some pie-eyed betrayal of DNC principles. Harry Truman of all people supported a universal system (that went farther than FDR and the New Deal). Christ, if Harry fucking Truman showed up in 2020, he'd be labeled a Socialist!
Probably Eisenhower would be labeled a liberal as well. That's the point and it's why moderation is the proper vote in 2020.
The point is to WIN. The electoral college gives a disproportionate voting power to the swing states and trumps base.
We risk everything if we start giving the oppositions socialist argument validity with a too progressive plan right now.
The 2 oldest Justices are liberal and over 80 and might need to be replaced between now and Jan 2025.
We could be risking a 7-2 supreme court. That could be staunchly conservative for at least 30 years and ANY liberal healthcare mandate would be out the window until 2055.
You and I have very different definitions of what it means to win, so maybe don't use "we" when responding to me.
"We" was referring to the Democrats as in the topic of this thread.
Instead of thinking my comment is personal, how about addressing the risks of locking in a conservative court for 30 years? I'm assuming you are down with that.
The ideological distance between Ruth Bader Ginsberg and Antonin Scalia is smaller than the distance between me and Bernie Sanders. The narrowness of your political horizons lead you to ask questions that miss the point.
Without reading through all posts, what are thoughts on Bloomberg?
Would be pretty low on my list. Authoritarian who's trying to buy the nomination.
Until we pass a constitutional amendment limiting campaign spending, this is our system.
democrats can either play this game or watch from the sidelines.
The majority of New York is low crime. High crime does exist but is centered in very specific neighborhoods. You need to put the cops where the crime occurs. Unfortunately Bloomberg made disparaging comments about alleged criminals and focused his comments towards race instead of location. But in no way did I support stop and frisk. It went too far.
You're definitely preaching to the choir on campaign spending. He's not doing anything illegal but it's obnoxious to watch and one more reason for me to not like the guy.
Stop and frisk is a big part of it for me. And his deference to China and wrangling a third term. If you look at his record, it's easy to see how he was a Republican. I'm surprised how much he's being embraced.
This does not look so republican to me-
Create a Medicare-like public insurance option
Improve and expand enrollment in Affordable Care Act plans
Allow people to keep their private insurance
Cap health care prices
Lower drug costs
Expand access to dental, hearing, and vision coverage
Create a permanent reinsurance program that reduces customer premiums
A normal moderate Republican similar to Romney.
The spectrum has moved so far right that he seems almost left.
"Create a Medicare-like public insurance option"
Would be the most progressive healthcare system in the history of the United States
Yes, but is that really the measuring stick?
I'm baffled by the people here who think M4A is some pie-eyed betrayal of DNC principles. Harry Truman of all people supported a universal system (that went farther than FDR and the New Deal). Christ, if Harry fucking Truman showed up in 2020, he'd be labeled a Socialist!
Probably Eisenhower would be labeled a liberal as well. That's the point and it's why moderation is the proper vote in 2020.
The point is to WIN. The electoral college gives a disproportionate voting power to the swing states and trumps base.
We risk everything if we start giving the oppositions socialist argument validity with a too progressive plan right now.
The 2 oldest Justices are liberal and over 80 and might need to be replaced between now and Jan 2025.
We could be risking a 7-2 supreme court. That could be staunchly conservative for at least 30 years and ANY liberal healthcare mandate would be out the window until 2055.
How did it go when you (democrats) went with "safe" option the last elections?
Will Biden saying "Look, I'm a full-on capitalist, pretty much a republican really. Don't worry. There is no big difference. Come on man. Please be riled up by me"
really be better than Bernie going
"Yes, I am a democratic socialist, but Donald Trump is a corporate socialist living off the government with billion dollar subsidies instead of you people getting healthcare that doesn't cost double that of other major countries" ?
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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"Create a Medicare-like public insurance option"
Would be the most progressive healthcare system in the history of the United States
Yeah but the upside is you got to see Hendrix!
I'm close enough that Medicare is starting to be on the horizon and am aware of the 20% not covered. And the gop wants to make it worse. The dems should be fear mongering about the gop taking away healthcare instead of squabbling over which Medicare version is best.... I've thought about LTC insurance but am too worried about insurance companies going bankrupt or being bought out and not honoring older policies.
I'm baffled by the people here who think M4A is some pie-eyed betrayal of DNC principles. Harry Truman of all people supported a universal system (that went farther than FDR and the New Deal). Christ, if Harry fucking Truman showed up in 2020, he'd be labeled a Socialist!
Probably Eisenhower would be labeled a liberal as well. That's the point and it's why moderation is the proper vote in 2020.
The point is to WIN. The electoral college gives a disproportionate voting power to the swing states and trumps base.
We risk everything if we start giving the oppositions socialist argument validity with a too progressive plan right now.
The 2 oldest Justices are liberal and over 80 and might need to be replaced between now and Jan 2025.
We could be risking a 7-2 supreme court. That could be staunchly conservative for at least 30 years and ANY liberal healthcare mandate would be out the window until 2055.
warren is so out of touch.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.masslive.com/politics/2020/02/critics-target-elizabeth-warren-for-accepting-3-donation-from-broke-college-student.html%3foutputType=amp
But as I said above if we go too far left we risk a conservative court til 2055 and we have a better chance to live in Neil Peart's opus than seeing any govt assisted plan for all for the majority of this century.
"We" was referring to the Democrats as in the topic of this thread.
Instead of thinking my comment is personal, how about addressing the risks of locking in a conservative court for 30 years? I'm assuming you are down with that.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
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Will Biden saying "Look, I'm a full-on capitalist, pretty much a republican really. Don't worry. There is no big difference. Come on man. Please be riled up by me"
really be better than Bernie going
"Yes, I am a democratic socialist, but Donald Trump is a corporate socialist living off the government with billion dollar subsidies instead of you people getting healthcare that doesn't cost double that of other major countries" ?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
What has me not being able to vote to do with anything, why would my opinion be irrelevant here, please explain.
Thanks, I forgot to include those!