Gender neutral student demands

brianlux

mickeyrat said:

brianlux said:

oftenreading said:

brianlux said:

I have to assume this person is an intersex person (previously referred to as a "hermaphrodite").  As with being gay, that's not a choice.  But what do you call a person who is both?  "It" seems degrading.  So what then?

What I don't get is the kid refusing to answer to a name.  Why not?  Is Mary too female, Bart too male?  Give yourself a nickname and be Marty.  Or what ever.   Why would the kid make things matter by not using some kind of name? And why a different noun everyday? 

If I were that teacher, I would would tell the kid, "Pick one word, that's all you get.  I'm not going to call you or anybody else by a different name or word everyday.  Either be reasonable or get out of my class."

The typical non-specific pronoun these days is "they", Brian. It takes a bit of getting used to for those of us who prefer to keep our singular and plural pronouns separate, but less bothersome than most of the alternatives, and at least is not degrading, as you point out. 

Typical yes, but grammatically incorrect.  They is plural.  Rather than compromise the grammar, perhaps a new word, or a slightly new definition to one that exists would be appropriate.  Other wise, you create confusion. 

"They decided to have a new name everyday."

"Oh my God, no.  The whole class?"

yet

 , they seems standard within that community...

Funny you should mention that because I got to talking to my wife earlier about the daughter (or at least born a daughter) of a friend who is trans prefers "they" as well.  So I think you're probably right.  If that's the way it is, so be it.

Meltdown99

If "it" refuses to give the school a name they preferred to be called ... the school should assign one..."peckerhead" is a nice start.

Spiritual_Chaos

brianlux said:

Rather than compromise the grammar, perhaps a new word, or a slightly new definition to one that exists would be appropriate.  

Hen (Swedish: [hɛnː] (listen)) is a gender-neutral personal pronoun in Swedish intended as an alternative to the gender-specific hon ("she") and han ("he"). It can be used when the gender of a person is not known or when it is not desirable to specify them as either a "she" or "he". The word was first proposed in 1966, and again in 1994, with reference to the Finnish hän, a personal pronoun that is gender-neutral, since Finnish does not have grammatical genders. However, it did not receive widespread recognition until around 2010, when it began to be used in some books, magazines and newspapers, and provoked media debates and controversy over feminism, gender neutrality, and parenting. In July 2014 it was announced that hen would be included in Svenska Akademiens ordlista, the official glossary of the Swedish Academy.

Sweden is ahead of you (once again) peeps.

bbiggs

^Haha!!!  Team Sweden for the Win! 🇸🇪 

mrussel1

bbiggs said:

^Haha!!!  Team Sweden for the Win! 🇸🇪 

Ha! I know.  Swedish nationalism and ethnocentrism comes to the forefront yet again. 

Spiritual_Chaos

mrussel1 said:

bbiggs said:

^Haha!!!  Team Sweden for the Win! 🇸🇪 

Ha! I know.  Swedish nationalism and ethnocentrism comes to the forefront yet again. 

Sweden doing things better than the US says nothing about nationalism and has nothing to do about puffing up Sweden. 

It's just shows how awful the US is. #bananarepublic

mrussel1

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

bbiggs said:

^Haha!!!  Team Sweden for the Win! 🇸🇪 

Ha! I know.  Swedish nationalism and ethnocentrism comes to the forefront yet again. 

Sweden doing things better than the US says nothing about nationalism and has nothing to do about puffing up Sweden. 

It's just shows how awful the US is. #bananarepublic

Yep, your comments are the very definition of those two nouns  

Spiritual_Chaos

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

bbiggs said:

^Haha!!!  Team Sweden for the Win! 🇸🇪 

Ha! I know.  Swedish nationalism and ethnocentrism comes to the forefront yet again. 

Sweden doing things better than the US says nothing about nationalism and has nothing to do about puffing up Sweden. 

It's just shows how awful the US is. #bananarepublic

Yep, your comments are the very definition of those two nouns  

Nope. 

But I get your tries to grasp after straws.

Sweden has what @brianlux proposed. Nothing more than that. 

Pumpkin puss.

Meltdown99

I know I am going to regret asking...but what the fuck is a pumpkin puss...jeesh...another thread soon to be closed.

bbiggs

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

bbiggs said:

^Haha!!!  Team Sweden for the Win! 🇸🇪 

Ha! I know.  Swedish nationalism and ethnocentrism comes to the forefront yet again. 

Sweden doing things better than the US says nothing about nationalism and has nothing to do about puffing up Sweden. 

It's just shows how awful the US is. #bananarepublic

Yep, your comments are the very definition of those two nouns  

Nope. 

But I get your tries to grasp after straws.

Sweden has what @brianlux proposed. Nothing more than that. 

Pumpkin puss.

I’m not going to do this dance again, but you are a master at twisting your words after the fact.  Now you say, “Sweden has what Brian proposed and nothing more than that.”  If it’s “nothing more than that,” you could have left your post alone after the copy/pasted part.  But nope. You felt inclined to show how the US once again is inferior. It’s cool man. You like ruffling feathers but I don’t think many are getting ruffled anymore. It’s all far too commonplace at this point it almost goes unnoticed. 

Thread integrity...my friends daughter is a first year teacher, which I failed to mention. What a way to start your career with this type of nonsense.  Poor girl. 

Spiritual_Chaos

bbiggs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

bbiggs said:

^Haha!!!  Team Sweden for the Win! 🇸🇪 

Ha! I know.  Swedish nationalism and ethnocentrism comes to the forefront yet again. 

Sweden doing things better than the US says nothing about nationalism and has nothing to do about puffing up Sweden. 

It's just shows how awful the US is. #bananarepublic

Yep, your comments are the very definition of those two nouns  

Nope. 

But I get your tries to grasp after straws.

Sweden has what @brianlux proposed. Nothing more than that. 

Pumpkin puss.

I’m not going to do this dance again, but you are a master at twisting your words after the fact.  Now you say, “Sweden has what Brian proposed and nothing more than that.”  If it’s “nothing more than that,” you could have left your post alone after the copy/pasted part.  But nope. You felt inclined to show how the US once again is inferior. It’s cool man. You like ruffling feathers but I don’t think many are getting ruffled anymore. It’s all far too commonplace at this point it almost goes unnoticed. 

It was a tounge-in-cheek line because of the discussions that has been on this board lately. Nothing more than that. I believe most people get that. But shown by some people stopping by here with some nationalistic flagwaving american pride blinding them they can't take that. Disrespecting 'murica etc. 

Peeps.

mickeyrat

bbiggs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

bbiggs said:

^Haha!!!  Team Sweden for the Win! 🇸🇪 

Ha! I know.  Swedish nationalism and ethnocentrism comes to the forefront yet again. 

Sweden doing things better than the US says nothing about nationalism and has nothing to do about puffing up Sweden. 

It's just shows how awful the US is. #bananarepublic

Yep, your comments are the very definition of those two nouns  

Nope. 

But I get your tries to grasp after straws.

Sweden has what @brianlux proposed. Nothing more than that. 

Pumpkin puss.

I’m not going to do this dance again, but you are a master at twisting your words after the fact.  Now you say, “Sweden has what Brian proposed and nothing more than that.”  If it’s “nothing more than that,” you could have left your post alone after the copy/pasted part.  But nope. You felt inclined to show how the US once again is inferior. It’s cool man. You like ruffling feathers but I don’t think many are getting ruffled anymore. It’s all far too commonplace at this point it almost goes unnoticed. 

Thread integrity...my friends daughter is a first year teacher, which I failed to mention. What a way to start your career with this type of nonsense.  Poor girl. 

I guess the upside for her is much of this became open here and a measure of acceptance for it as she grew into aduthood. her gen can better roll with it.

Spiritual_Chaos

Meltdown99 said:

I know I am going to regret asking...but what the fuck is a pumpkin puss...jeesh...another thread soon to be closed.

Oooops. Someone hasn't seen Once Upon A Time in Hollywood yet.

Busted!

mrussel1

Meltdown99 said:

I know I am going to regret asking...but what the fuck is a pumpkin puss...jeesh...another thread soon to be closed.

It's bad enough that I have to get hit on by all the mid 20 girls at work,  but now I have to deal with sexual harassment on this board.  It's distressing. 

mrussel1

Spiritual_Chaos said:

bbiggs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

bbiggs said:

^Haha!!!  Team Sweden for the Win! 🇸🇪 

Ha! I know.  Swedish nationalism and ethnocentrism comes to the forefront yet again. 

Sweden doing things better than the US says nothing about nationalism and has nothing to do about puffing up Sweden. 

It's just shows how awful the US is. #bananarepublic

Yep, your comments are the very definition of those two nouns  

Nope. 

But I get your tries to grasp after straws.

Sweden has what @brianlux proposed. Nothing more than that. 

Pumpkin puss.

I’m not going to do this dance again, but you are a master at twisting your words after the fact.  Now you say, “Sweden has what Brian proposed and nothing more than that.”  If it’s “nothing more than that,” you could have left your post alone after the copy/pasted part.  But nope. You felt inclined to show how the US once again is inferior. It’s cool man. You like ruffling feathers but I don’t think many are getting ruffled anymore. It’s all far too commonplace at this point it almost goes unnoticed. 

It was a tounge-in-cheek line because of the discussions that has been on this board lately. Nothing more than that. I believe most people get that. But shown by some people stopping by here with some nationalistic flagwaving american pride blinding them they can't take that. Disrespecting 'murica etc. 

Peeps.

Says the guy who literally flies the swedish flag on this site.  Hilarious. 

Meltdown99

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

I know I am going to regret asking...but what the fuck is a pumpkin puss...jeesh...another thread soon to be closed.

It's bad enough that I have to get hit on by all the mid 20 girls at work,  but now I have to deal with sexual harassment on this board.  It's distressing. 

You have it rough at work...

Spiritual_Chaos

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

bbiggs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

bbiggs said:

^Haha!!!  Team Sweden for the Win! 🇸🇪 

Ha! I know.  Swedish nationalism and ethnocentrism comes to the forefront yet again. 

Sweden doing things better than the US says nothing about nationalism and has nothing to do about puffing up Sweden. 

It's just shows how awful the US is. #bananarepublic

Yep, your comments are the very definition of those two nouns  

Nope. 

But I get your tries to grasp after straws.

Sweden has what @brianlux proposed. Nothing more than that. 

Pumpkin puss.

I’m not going to do this dance again, but you are a master at twisting your words after the fact.  Now you say, “Sweden has what Brian proposed and nothing more than that.”  If it’s “nothing more than that,” you could have left your post alone after the copy/pasted part.  But nope. You felt inclined to show how the US once again is inferior. It’s cool man. You like ruffling feathers but I don’t think many are getting ruffled anymore. It’s all far too commonplace at this point it almost goes unnoticed. 

It was a tounge-in-cheek line because of the discussions that has been on this board lately. Nothing more than that. I believe most people get that. But shown by some people stopping by here with some nationalistic flagwaving american pride blinding them they can't take that. Disrespecting 'murica etc. 

Peeps.

Says the guy who literally flies the swedish flag on this site.  Hilarious. 

I don't. 

Pointing out how awful the US is has nothing to do with being nationalistic.  You ever see me waving anything when talking about other developed countries?

Grandstanding, like you do, about the US is nationalistic. Because you are defending awful because "b-b-but greatest experiment".

Midtier country is a midtier country.

mrussel1

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

bbiggs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

bbiggs said:

^Haha!!!  Team Sweden for the Win! 🇸🇪 

Ha! I know.  Swedish nationalism and ethnocentrism comes to the forefront yet again. 

Sweden doing things better than the US says nothing about nationalism and has nothing to do about puffing up Sweden. 

It's just shows how awful the US is. #bananarepublic

Yep, your comments are the very definition of those two nouns  

Nope. 

But I get your tries to grasp after straws.

Sweden has what @brianlux proposed. Nothing more than that. 

Pumpkin puss.

I’m not going to do this dance again, but you are a master at twisting your words after the fact.  Now you say, “Sweden has what Brian proposed and nothing more than that.”  If it’s “nothing more than that,” you could have left your post alone after the copy/pasted part.  But nope. You felt inclined to show how the US once again is inferior. It’s cool man. You like ruffling feathers but I don’t think many are getting ruffled anymore. It’s all far too commonplace at this point it almost goes unnoticed. 

It was a tounge-in-cheek line because of the discussions that has been on this board lately. Nothing more than that. I believe most people get that. But shown by some people stopping by here with some nationalistic flagwaving american pride blinding them they can't take that. Disrespecting 'murica etc. 

Peeps.

Says the guy who literally flies the swedish flag on this site.  Hilarious. 

I don't. 

Pointing out how awful the US is has nothing to do with being nationalistic.  You ever see me waving anything when talking about other developed countries?

Grandstanding, like you do, about the US is nationalistic. Because you are defending awful because "b-b-but greatest experiment".

Midtier country is a midtier country.

You literally said...

Sweden is ahead of you (once again) peeps

You're the only one that extols their country around.  The sweet irony of your posts. 

HughFreakingDillon

oftenreading said:

rgambs said:

"It" sounds like a Facebook meme that your crazy aunt Linda shares while she laments about God being kicked out of schools.

Sounds like there are quite a few pearl-clutching old grannies in here, and maybe one or two who'd like to go back to the good ol' days when gay, trans and otherwise gender-fluid kids were bullied mercilessly and killed themselves in high numbers, but by god they got called by their legal names.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to have an empathetic and experienced person sit down with this kid and say "You have to chose a name that we can call you each day." I think it's unreasonable to demand that the kid be called their legal given name.

I think that's quite unfair. I think many of us are as liberal as the day is long, and just as empathetic, but where does it end? this is getting fucking ridiculous. 

I don't agree with someone saying they are biologically the wrong sex. If they wish to change it, have at it. Don't wish to change it but identify as the other? Also, have at it. I don't give two fucks about what bathrooms people use. I think separation by sex is stupid anyway (no, I never watched Ally McBeal). But I do agree that people can identify with whatever gender they wish. Sex is binary. Gender doesn't have to be. 

but pandering to someone who seems to be obviously just trying to fuck with the system is a bad precedent to take. 

pick a name or stay home. 

Spiritual_Chaos

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

bbiggs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

bbiggs said:

^Haha!!!  Team Sweden for the Win! 🇸🇪 

Ha! I know.  Swedish nationalism and ethnocentrism comes to the forefront yet again. 

Sweden doing things better than the US says nothing about nationalism and has nothing to do about puffing up Sweden. 

It's just shows how awful the US is. #bananarepublic

Yep, your comments are the very definition of those two nouns  

Nope. 

But I get your tries to grasp after straws.

Sweden has what @brianlux proposed. Nothing more than that. 

Pumpkin puss.

I’m not going to do this dance again, but you are a master at twisting your words after the fact.  Now you say, “Sweden has what Brian proposed and nothing more than that.”  If it’s “nothing more than that,” you could have left your post alone after the copy/pasted part.  But nope. You felt inclined to show how the US once again is inferior. It’s cool man. You like ruffling feathers but I don’t think many are getting ruffled anymore. It’s all far too commonplace at this point it almost goes unnoticed. 

It was a tounge-in-cheek line because of the discussions that has been on this board lately. Nothing more than that. I believe most people get that. But shown by some people stopping by here with some nationalistic flagwaving american pride blinding them they can't take that. Disrespecting 'murica etc. 

Peeps.

Says the guy who literally flies the swedish flag on this site.  Hilarious. 

I don't. 

Pointing out how awful the US is has nothing to do with being nationalistic.  You ever see me waving anything when talking about other developed countries?

Grandstanding, like you do, about the US is nationalistic. Because you are defending awful because "b-b-but greatest experiment".

Midtier country is a midtier country.

You literally said...

Sweden is ahead of you (once again) peeps

You're the only one that extols their country around.  The sweet irony of your posts. 

You are going in circles like Freddy has Alice and Dan do in A Nightmare on Elm Street part 4: The Dream Master when they're trying to save Debbie.

I've already answered this. And you responded to that post. 

It was a tounge-in-cheek line because of the discussions that has been on this board lately. Nothing more than that. I believe most people get that. But shown by some people stopping by here with some nationalistic flagwaving american pride blinding them they can't take that. Disrespecting 'murica etc. 

So, again - you are going in circles. Hopefully you snap out of it and saves Debbie before Freddy turns her into a cockroach.