When you refer to it as "bugging" oof. Maybe they checked out on it a while ago.
sorry, I have a bad habit of putting quotations around a paraphrase. I don't honestly recall if he actually said the word bugging or if it was something similar, like reminding, or something of the like.
Who do you guys think is really at fault? At first I was hatin' on 10C, but it could be the band??
I could understand one year behind, but it's two years now. They took our $80, with little to show for it.
And it's not about getting material objects - it's about not being treated properly.
Reminds me of the time when I was in grade school: I brought in a stack of BMX Plus magazines into class...this kid wanted them and offered to buy them from me. I said sure, he took them, and he then said he'd "give me the money tomorrow." Needless to say every day it was no money and an excuse why he didn't bring it in. To this day I was never paid.
It's the same feeling here...of getting fucked over. It's not a good feeling. We should be treated better.
It may be a little dramatic, but it is affecting decisions, too. Like when I see pre-orders for the album. Pffffft. When you see new merch for sale coming through the pipeline, and new 7" records being offered for sale. Really?
We should be treated better.
it's always been the band. jeff admitted it on video. he said "Tim usually starts bugging us around August....".
Ok thanks for that info. You would think that Tim or whomever manages this stuff would be a little more proactive and say "look fans are saying such and such...come on let's get something going". Dunno if we can just blame band. I need someone to hate here! J/k. We shouldn't hate anyone. Hopefully there's a happy ending to this.
Well thank you for helping keep this thread alive.
Thats disappointing to hear about Jeff. I figured he would have a big part to do with the artwork for the single but especially DEEP. I also assumed he would enjoy doing it as an artistic outlet.
Its definitely on the band. Even if you could blame 10c, doesn't the band have control over that? The thing is if the band wanted to get these done and send them out, they already would have. Its on them. Now am I pissed off enough to leave the 10c? Of course not, the tickets will be worth it. That doesn't mean it isn't frustrating to not get what I've paid for.
The horse is sitting there laughing at you and people are declaring it dead.
The horse can laugh all it wants and people can declare whatever they wish. This band obviously doesn't care about this obligation and I won't ever let that go. I'll stop bitching once we get an update but I'll never forgive my favorite band for treating their fan club with such disrespect.
Now that the guys in the band just bought themselves an extended vacation with the postponement they have plenty of time to get this done.
They've had years of vacation so I don't believe this vacation is any different. Hopefully everything is done and it is all being printed but without an official announcement, it is safer to assume they've done nothing.
Now that the guys in the band just bought themselves an extended vacation with the postponement they have plenty of time to get this done.
They've had years of vacation so I don't believe this vacation is any different. Hopefully everything is done and it is all being printed but without an official announcement, it is safer to assume they've done nothing.
Haha, yeah, I was being a little sarcastic with maybe a sprinkling of optimism. I don't actually think they'll do anything because they haven't felt any need to do anything before now. They give no shits about their obligations in this matter.
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Hey Mods, Why isn't there an Annual Singles and DEEP magazine FAQ? The mods respond to some questions but they never seem to help out this situation or thread. No one seems to care in the whole Pearl Jam camp. The lack of communication is pathetic by all parties involved.
@JB16057 I can't say for certain, but it's a safe bet that their legal team has advised them not to comment on this matter any further. Also probably why they haven't locked this thread.
@JB16057 I can't say for certain, but it's a safe bet that their legal team has advised them not to comment on this matter any further. Also probably why they haven't locked this thread.
Hey Mods, Why isn't there an Annual Singles and DEEP magazine FAQ? The mods respond to some questions but they never seem to help out this situation or thread. No one seems to care in the whole Pearl Jam camp. The lack of communication is pathetic by all parties involved.
I would believe, they do not have a good (honest) answer that would not expose how badly this has been handled by the band.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
@JB16057 I can't say for certain, but it's a safe bet that their legal team has advised them not to comment on this matter any further. Also probably why they haven't locked this thread.
Might be true for their lack of comments. I doubt its why they haven't closed the thread. There have been many threads like this over the last few years and as far as i remember didn't get shut down. I assume they have enough common sense to realize how badly it would make them look if they shut down threads where people are asking for merch we paid for 2+ years ago.
It would look very bad to lock this thread from a legal sense, so it is an entirely logical assumption. Prior threads did not involve the AG getting involved, or people threatening class action lawsuits. Regardless, we'll never know.
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It would look very bad to lock this thread from a legal sense, so it is an entirely logical assumption. Prior threads did not involve the AG getting involved, or people threatening class action lawsuits. Regardless, we'll never know.
What legal sense? Are you really serious? The AG has closed their inquiry because the complaint was nonsense. Are you really insinuating that this mess will end up in a court room? Either people are trolling now or you’ve lost touch with reality.
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Pearl Jam has always allowed threads that have been critical as long as they adhere to forum rules. That’s why it’s been kept open. Not because they’re afraid of some electronic trail of evidence that people are goofy enough to think will be a smoking gun in a courtroom.
1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore
As a thankyou for their patience, and as a final farewell to the much loved holiday single, the 10 Club is honouring members with a double (maybe triple??) LP on 180 gram wax, housed in a gatefold sleeve containing a retrospective collection of every single club single since Let Me Sleep.
There will only be 1,500 pressed tho.
And they went on sale while you were at work / sleeping.
It would look very bad to lock this thread from a legal sense, so it is an entirely logical assumption. Prior threads did not involve the AG getting involved, or people threatening class action lawsuits. Regardless, we'll never know.
What legal sense? Are you really serious? The AG has closed their inquiry because the complaint was nonsense. Are you really insinuating that this mess will end up in a court room? Either people are trolling now or you’ve lost touch with reality.
Um, I guess I'm joking then? What the fuck do you think? And the AG didn't close anything; they simply stated that they could not continue as Tim stopped replying. They referred the complainant to an attorney, and yes, some people here were talking class action.
If you really think this entire situation is nonsense, then keep on fucking scrolling. I normally don't respond to stupid fucking trolls like yourself, but you caught me in a bad moment. I have never held you in any high regard on this forum, so I'm not worried about holding back. You're always an asshole to other members here.
the ignore feature is still there. click on their username, there is a white box that defaults to "message", but you can click on the box next to it and pull it down to switch it to ignore.
It would look very bad to lock this thread from a legal sense, so it is an entirely logical assumption. Prior threads did not involve the AG getting involved, or people threatening class action lawsuits. Regardless, we'll never know.
What legal sense? Are you really serious? The AG has closed their inquiry because the complaint was nonsense. Are you really insinuating that this mess will end up in a court room? Either people are trolling now or you’ve lost touch with reality.
Source for it being considered "nonsense" ?
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It would look very bad to lock this thread from a legal sense, so it is an entirely logical assumption. Prior threads did not involve the AG getting involved, or people threatening class action lawsuits. Regardless, we'll never know.
What legal sense? Are you really serious? The AG has closed their inquiry because the complaint was nonsense. Are you really insinuating that this mess will end up in a court room? Either people are trolling now or you’ve lost touch with reality.
Um, I guess I'm joking then? What the fuck do you think? And the AG didn't close anything; they simply stated that they could not continue as Tim stopped replying. They referred the complainant to an attorney, and yes, some people here were talking class action.
If you really think this entire situation is nonsense, then keep on fucking scrolling. I normally don't respond to stupid fucking trolls like yourself, but you caught me in a bad moment. I have never held you in any high regard on this forum, so I'm not worried about holding back.
Damn, I miss the ignore feature...
Please. You guys are being ridiculous. The attempt to fan this minor issue into some kind of crisis is the definition of trolling.
As far as a class action lawsuit... that’s about as legitimate as the lawsuits over people complaining that their coffee was hot. Let us know when you get your class action certified. Lol.
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Hey Mods, Why isn't there an Annual Singles and DEEP magazine FAQ? The mods respond to some questions but they never seem to help out this situation or thread. No one seems to care in the whole Pearl Jam camp. The lack of communication is pathetic by all parties involved.
I would believe, they do not have a good (honest) answer that would not expose how badly this has been handled by the band.
I also believe this to be true but at the same time they haven't offered a good (honest) apology either. Whether they are breaking any consumer laws or not, this is a piss poor way to treat the fan club and if it isn't illegal in some way, it should be.
As for the AG closing the case, that isn't entirely true. The AG closed the "informal complaint resolution process". However, if I emailed them today, they would once again ask the Ten Club to respond under the same case number. The Ten Club took the low road last time and refused to respond. We do not know what or if there has been any other communication between the AG and the Ten Club. The AG says, "It is our policy to neither confirm nor deny the existence of an ongoing investigation." I doubt there is an investigation happening. The Ten Club & Pearl Jam have taken advantage of the members by not sending what we have paid for in a timely manner but they've also not communicated a proper apology or timeline which is just pathetic.
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Hey Mods, Why isn't there an Annual Singles and DEEP magazine FAQ? The mods respond to some questions but they never seem to help out this situation or thread. No one seems to care in the whole Pearl Jam camp. The lack of communication is pathetic by all parties involved.
I would believe, they do not have a good (honest) answer that would not expose how badly this has been handled by the band.
I also believe this to be true but at the same time they haven't offered a good (honest) apology either. Whether they are breaking any consumer laws or not, this is a piss poor way to treat the fan club and if it isn't illegal in some way, it should be.
As for the AG closing the case, that isn't entirely true. The AG closed the "informal complaint resolution process". However, if I emailed them today, they would once again ask the Ten Club to respond under the same case number. The Ten Club took the low road last time and refused to respond. We do not know what or if there has been any other communication between the AG and the Ten Club. The AG says, "It is our policy to neither confirm nor deny the existence of an ongoing investigation." I doubt there is an investigation happening. The Ten Club & Pearl Jam have taken advantage of the members by not sending what we have paid for in a timely manner but they've also not communicated a proper apology or timeline which is just pathetic.
I’m guessing the Attorney General has their hands full right now with Washington State being an epicenter of this pandemic for the US.
1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore
Hey Mods, Why isn't there an Annual Singles and DEEP magazine FAQ? The mods respond to some questions but they never seem to help out this situation or thread. No one seems to care in the whole Pearl Jam camp. The lack of communication is pathetic by all parties involved.
I would believe, they do not have a good (honest) answer that would not expose how badly this has been handled by the band.
I also believe this to be true but at the same time they haven't offered a good (honest) apology either. Whether they are breaking any consumer laws or not, this is a piss poor way to treat the fan club and if it isn't illegal in some way, it should be.
As for the AG closing the case, that isn't entirely true. The AG closed the "informal complaint resolution process". However, if I emailed them today, they would once again ask the Ten Club to respond under the same case number. The Ten Club took the low road last time and refused to respond. We do not know what or if there has been any other communication between the AG and the Ten Club. The AG says, "It is our policy to neither confirm nor deny the existence of an ongoing investigation." I doubt there is an investigation happening. The Ten Club & Pearl Jam have taken advantage of the members by not sending what we have paid for in a timely manner but they've also not communicated a proper apology or timeline which is just pathetic.
I’m guessing the Attorney General has their hands full right now with Washington State being an epicenter of this pandemic for the US.
Still: Source for it being considered "nonsense" ?
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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Thats disappointing to hear about Jeff. I figured he would have a big part to do with the artwork for the single but especially DEEP. I also assumed he would enjoy doing it as an artistic outlet.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
this horse is very much alive.
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Now am I pissed off enough to leave the 10c? Of course not, the tickets will be worth it. That doesn't mean it isn't frustrating to not get what I've paid for.
As a thankyou for their patience, and as a final farewell to the much loved holiday single, the 10 Club is honouring members with a double (maybe triple??) LP on 180 gram wax, housed in a gatefold sleeve containing a retrospective collection of every single club single since Let Me Sleep.
There will only be 1,500 pressed tho.
And they went on sale while you were at work / sleeping.
And it's been mastered properly too.
That'd be tight.
If you really think this entire situation is nonsense, then keep on fucking scrolling. I normally don't respond to stupid fucking trolls like yourself, but you caught me in a bad moment. I have never held you in any high regard on this forum, so I'm not worried about holding back. You're always an asshole to other members here.
Damn, I miss the ignore feature...
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