Hey how about those 2 missing Ten Club singles!

PB11041

HughFreakingDillon

pjl44 said:

It's mid-December, so that means just about everyone carrying on about how poorly they're treated chose to give the Ten Club more money in 2019

so it's all or nothing? if you have a complaint, immediately cancel your membership or shut the fuck up?

PB11041

HughFreakingDillon

pjsteelerfan said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjsteelerfan said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjsteelerfan said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjsteelerfan said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

weird, if someone says they are planning to do something for me because they sometimes suck at our relationship, I take that as a commitment to the change. but ok. 

"planning" to do something and "are" doing something are very different. Plans fall through all the time. 

again, this is setting the bar really really low for the club/band. to send out a letter of apology to the club saying they can expect something as an apology and to not only not follow through, but try to erase it from memory, is really weak. 

I for one think they should be held to a higher standard than that. 

And again, I am just pointing out a bad example you are using. The Big Bold and Free was not something promised, or owed, or paid for. They made the mistake of saying they were working on something before it was finalized and the plans fell through. You did not pay for it, it did not come out of your membership. But you act like it did.

The singles are paid for and owed. 

i wasn't using it as an example of something paid for or owed. I wasn't even a member of this club when it happened. it was an rebut of the claim "the club always makes things right", which in this case, they didn't. 

So you are saying the band owes us a free concert that they in the past 100% promised and guaranteed the entire ten club that never happened. 

nope. not one bit. 

Then what was this Big Bold and Free thing that was 100% promised, guaranteed, set in stone was going to happen, that they failed to deliver on?

i'm not sure where this communication breakdown is happening, but I'll try to break this down:

original claim:
the club always does right by us fans

counter claim:
no, they don't

the evidence presented by claimant:

none

the evidence presented by counter-claimant:

letter from fan club, dated Aug 1/05, stating specifically that they don't always do right by us (fans) (which, in itself, simply by that admission is enough to stop this argument), but it goes on to state, that, to make things right, we are planning something "big bold beautiful and free" 

this plan never came to fruition. 

now, let's give a parallel hypothetical:

my wife and I aren't getting along. I've been treating her poorly the last little while. I write her a letter saying "I'm planning something big for you to try to smooth things over between us". 

I don't do anything. maybe my plan fell through. maybe I just didn't care. no idea the reason.  And when she asks about it, I claim I never said anything of the sort and shut down any and all reference to it for a decade. 

Do I "owe" her anything? Nope. But do I "always do right by her"?

also nope. 

conclusion: original claim was false. 

decision goes to counter claimant. 

pjl44

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjl44 said:

It's mid-December, so that means just about everyone carrying on about how poorly they're treated chose to give the Ten Club more money in 2019

so it's all or nothing? if you have a complaint, immediately cancel your membership or shut the fuck up?

The complaining has worked so far. Every week a new batch of people gets to send them another $20-40 and complain on the message board for another year.

HughFreakingDillon

I imagine then, if you've ever had to return an item to a store for whatever reason, or lodge a complaint with customer service, that you NEVER EVER shop there again. 

pjl44

It's like ordering from the same Chinese restaurant for a few years and they forget the egg rolls twice. Yes, they owe you the egg rolls but how much angst do you want to devote to getting square?

demetrios

PB11041 said:

Bahahaha!!!

RS65573

pjl44 said:

It's like ordering from the same Chinese restaurant for a few years and they forget the egg rolls twice. Yes, they owe you the egg rolls but how much angst do you want to devote to getting square?

But they keep SELLING eggrolls to me without giving me my free one. Thats what pisses me off personally. You wanna not do the single fine, but then dont do records for record store day and crap til you fulfill your paid for obligation.

pjl44

HughFreakingDillon said:

I imagine then, if you've ever had to return an item to a store for whatever reason, or lodge a complaint with customer service, that you NEVER EVER shop there again. 

If I was upset enough to lodge complaints for 3 years, of course I wouldn't shop there again

pjsteelerfan

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjsteelerfan said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjsteelerfan said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjsteelerfan said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjsteelerfan said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

weird, if someone says they are planning to do something for me because they sometimes suck at our relationship, I take that as a commitment to the change. but ok. 

"planning" to do something and "are" doing something are very different. Plans fall through all the time. 

again, this is setting the bar really really low for the club/band. to send out a letter of apology to the club saying they can expect something as an apology and to not only not follow through, but try to erase it from memory, is really weak. 

I for one think they should be held to a higher standard than that. 

And again, I am just pointing out a bad example you are using. The Big Bold and Free was not something promised, or owed, or paid for. They made the mistake of saying they were working on something before it was finalized and the plans fell through. You did not pay for it, it did not come out of your membership. But you act like it did.

The singles are paid for and owed. 

i wasn't using it as an example of something paid for or owed. I wasn't even a member of this club when it happened. it was an rebut of the claim "the club always makes things right", which in this case, they didn't. 

So you are saying the band owes us a free concert that they in the past 100% promised and guaranteed the entire ten club that never happened. 

nope. not one bit. 

Then what was this Big Bold and Free thing that was 100% promised, guaranteed, set in stone was going to happen, that they failed to deliver on?

i'm not sure where this communication breakdown is happening, but I'll try to break this down:

original claim:
the club always does right by us fans

counter claim:
no, they don't

the evidence presented by claimant:

none

the evidence presented by counter-claimant:

letter from fan club, dated Aug 1/05, stating specifically that they don't always do right by us (fans) (which, in itself, simply by that admission is enough to stop this argument), but it goes on to state, that, to make things right, we are planning something "big bold beautiful and free" 

this plan never came to fruition. 

now, let's give a parallel hypothetical:

my wife and I aren't getting along. I've been treating her poorly the last little while. I write her a letter saying "I'm planning something big for you to try to smooth things over between us". 

I don't do anything. maybe my plan fell through. maybe I just didn't care. no idea the reason.  And when she asks about it, I claim I never said anything of the sort and shut down any and all reference to it for a decade. 

Do I "owe" her anything? Nope. But do I "always do right by her"?

also nope. 

conclusion: original claim was false. 

decision goes to counter claimant. 

pjl44

RS65573 said:

pjl44 said:

It's like ordering from the same Chinese restaurant for a few years and they forget the egg rolls twice. Yes, they owe you the egg rolls but how much angst do you want to devote to getting square?

But they keep SELLING eggrolls to me without giving me my free one. Thats what pisses me off personally. You wanna not do the single fine, but then dont do records for record store day and crap til you fulfill your paid for obligation.

They're not forcefully taking your money. You keep giving it to them.

RS65573

Yup, I love PJ more than $20, I just as a business owner, would never do that and think its uncool. Both can exist.

cincybearcat

pjsteelerfan said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjsteelerfan said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

weird, if someone says they are planning to do something for me because they sometimes suck at our relationship, I take that as a commitment to the change. but ok. 

"planning" to do something and "are" doing something are very different. Plans fall through all the time. 

again, this is setting the bar really really low for the club/band. to send out a letter of apology to the club saying they can expect something as an apology and to not only not follow through, but try to erase it from memory, is really weak. 

I for one think they should be held to a higher standard than that. 

And again, I am just pointing out a bad example you are using. The Big Bold and Free was not something promised, or owed, or paid for. They made the mistake of saying they were working on something before it was finalized and the plans fell through. You did not pay for it, it did not come out of your membership. But you act like it did.

The singles are paid for and owed. 

Ok then, tell your spouse you are planning to do something nice for them and then never do it. Then report back how they feel about that....

cp3iverson

10c always takes care of me when there’s an issue.   Im fine giving them whatever time they need.  Just doesnt bug me i guess. 

cincybearcat

pjsteelerfan said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjsteelerfan said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjsteelerfan said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjsteelerfan said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjsteelerfan said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

weird, if someone says they are planning to do something for me because they sometimes suck at our relationship, I take that as a commitment to the change. but ok. 

"planning" to do something and "are" doing something are very different. Plans fall through all the time. 

again, this is setting the bar really really low for the club/band. to send out a letter of apology to the club saying they can expect something as an apology and to not only not follow through, but try to erase it from memory, is really weak. 

I for one think they should be held to a higher standard than that. 

And again, I am just pointing out a bad example you are using. The Big Bold and Free was not something promised, or owed, or paid for. They made the mistake of saying they were working on something before it was finalized and the plans fell through. You did not pay for it, it did not come out of your membership. But you act like it did.

The singles are paid for and owed. 

i wasn't using it as an example of something paid for or owed. I wasn't even a member of this club when it happened. it was an rebut of the claim "the club always makes things right", which in this case, they didn't. 

So you are saying the band owes us a free concert that they in the past 100% promised and guaranteed the entire ten club that never happened. 

nope. not one bit. 

Then what was this Big Bold and Free thing that was 100% promised, guaranteed, set in stone was going to happen, that they failed to deliver on?

i'm not sure where this communication breakdown is happening, but I'll try to break this down:

original claim:
the club always does right by us fans

counter claim:
no, they don't

the evidence presented by claimant:

none

the evidence presented by counter-claimant:

letter from fan club, dated Aug 1/05, stating specifically that they don't always do right by us (fans) (which, in itself, simply by that admission is enough to stop this argument), but it goes on to state, that, to make things right, we are planning something "big bold beautiful and free" 

this plan never came to fruition. 

now, let's give a parallel hypothetical:

my wife and I aren't getting along. I've been treating her poorly the last little while. I write her a letter saying "I'm planning something big for you to try to smooth things over between us". 

I don't do anything. maybe my plan fell through. maybe I just didn't care. no idea the reason.  And when she asks about it, I claim I never said anything of the sort and shut down any and all reference to it for a decade. 

Do I "owe" her anything? Nope. But do I "always do right by her"?

also nope. 

conclusion: original claim was false. 

decision goes to counter claimant. 

How do you figure? Your response makes no sense.

These are just records but the lengths some go to in order to defend the band/club from failing to fulfill an obligation for YEARS, is pretty crazy. I hope you all get that gold star by your name on the 10c rolls and that free concert you apparently think you are getting invited to for your unwavering trumpish support.

pjl44

cincybearcat said:

pjsteelerfan said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjsteelerfan said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

weird, if someone says they are planning to do something for me because they sometimes suck at our relationship, I take that as a commitment to the change. but ok. 

"planning" to do something and "are" doing something are very different. Plans fall through all the time. 

again, this is setting the bar really really low for the club/band. to send out a letter of apology to the club saying they can expect something as an apology and to not only not follow through, but try to erase it from memory, is really weak. 

I for one think they should be held to a higher standard than that. 

And again, I am just pointing out a bad example you are using. The Big Bold and Free was not something promised, or owed, or paid for. They made the mistake of saying they were working on something before it was finalized and the plans fell through. You did not pay for it, it did not come out of your membership. But you act like it did.

The singles are paid for and owed. 

Ok then, tell your spouse you are planning to do something nice for them and then never do it. Then report back how they feel about that....

If people see their relationship with any band or fan club as being at all similar to a spouse, I think we're touching on the root of the problem 

jeffbr

pjl44 said:

cincybearcat said:

pjsteelerfan said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjsteelerfan said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

weird, if someone says they are planning to do something for me because they sometimes suck at our relationship, I take that as a commitment to the change. but ok. 

"planning" to do something and "are" doing something are very different. Plans fall through all the time. 

again, this is setting the bar really really low for the club/band. to send out a letter of apology to the club saying they can expect something as an apology and to not only not follow through, but try to erase it from memory, is really weak. 

I for one think they should be held to a higher standard than that. 

And again, I am just pointing out a bad example you are using. The Big Bold and Free was not something promised, or owed, or paid for. They made the mistake of saying they were working on something before it was finalized and the plans fell through. You did not pay for it, it did not come out of your membership. But you act like it did.

The singles are paid for and owed. 

Ok then, tell your spouse you are planning to do something nice for them and then never do it. Then report back how they feel about that....

If people see their relationship with any band or fan club as being at all similar to a spouse, I think we're touching on the root of the problem 

True, but we hear about "jamily" and a sense of belonging to a tribe often enough. For me, and most of the others who seem to want to hold the 10c/Band to their obligations, it clearly isn't about family, it is about a company/consumer relationship, a business transaction, and an obligation. The folks rushing to the defense of the 10c/band offer no real defense and are the ones who act like they are the protectors of 10c's or the band's reputation. But the defense they offer is to belittle the consumer complaints or dismiss them as irrelevant. It is the defenders who seem to have their relationship with the band confused. I'm very clear on my relationship. I'm simply a member of a fan club who conducted a business transaction and have not received goods for which I paid.

pjl44

jeffbr said:

pjl44 said:

cincybearcat said:

pjsteelerfan said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjsteelerfan said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

weird, if someone says they are planning to do something for me because they sometimes suck at our relationship, I take that as a commitment to the change. but ok. 

"planning" to do something and "are" doing something are very different. Plans fall through all the time. 

again, this is setting the bar really really low for the club/band. to send out a letter of apology to the club saying they can expect something as an apology and to not only not follow through, but try to erase it from memory, is really weak. 

I for one think they should be held to a higher standard than that. 

And again, I am just pointing out a bad example you are using. The Big Bold and Free was not something promised, or owed, or paid for. They made the mistake of saying they were working on something before it was finalized and the plans fell through. You did not pay for it, it did not come out of your membership. But you act like it did.

The singles are paid for and owed. 

Ok then, tell your spouse you are planning to do something nice for them and then never do it. Then report back how they feel about that....

If people see their relationship with any band or fan club as being at all similar to a spouse, I think we're touching on the root of the problem 

True, but we hear about "jamily" and a sense of belonging to a tribe often enough. For me, and most of the others who seem to want to hold the 10c/Band to their obligations, it clearly isn't about family, it is about a company/consumer relationship, a business transaction, and an obligation. The folks rushing to the defense of the 10c/band offer no real defense and are the ones who act like they are the protectors of 10c's or the band's reputation. But the defense they offer is to belittle the consumer complaints or dismiss them as irrelevant. It is the defenders who seem to have their relationship with the band confused. I'm very clear on my relationship. I'm simply a member of a fan club who conducted a business transaction and have not received goods for which I paid.

I'm fully on board with the business transaction end, but I go back to the egg roll analogy

cincybearcat

pjl44 said:

cincybearcat said:

pjsteelerfan said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjsteelerfan said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

weird, if someone says they are planning to do something for me because they sometimes suck at our relationship, I take that as a commitment to the change. but ok. 

"planning" to do something and "are" doing something are very different. Plans fall through all the time. 

again, this is setting the bar really really low for the club/band. to send out a letter of apology to the club saying they can expect something as an apology and to not only not follow through, but try to erase it from memory, is really weak. 

I for one think they should be held to a higher standard than that. 

And again, I am just pointing out a bad example you are using. The Big Bold and Free was not something promised, or owed, or paid for. They made the mistake of saying they were working on something before it was finalized and the plans fell through. You did not pay for it, it did not come out of your membership. But you act like it did.

The singles are paid for and owed. 

Ok then, tell your spouse you are planning to do something nice for them and then never do it. Then report back how they feel about that....

If people see their relationship with any band or fan club as being at all similar to a spouse, I think we're touching on the root of the problem 

Nevermind