Hey how about those 2 missing Ten Club singles!

rahjiim

Ledbetterman10 said:

MisterEtake2 said:

Tim Simmons said:

The "forthcoming" post from last year is the perfect example of why the 10c doesn't need to say anything. Unless they are saying "its in production/shipping", anything else will be seen as a tease and be picked apart or misconstrued. The lack of info is actually all the info we need rn and says everything.
 

How about doing something to make up for it?  Hey ten club members, sorry we've neglected you for so long.  We're going to give you a few download codes (which cost us nothing) as a token of good will.  Or we'll gave you a discount on gift cards or at the shop.  Maybe that and an apology for starters.  At least DO SOMETHING.

I feel bad for anyone that's just getting into Pearl Jam now (or got into them within the past five years) and joined the fanclub. They might feel like the whole thing's a scam. 

Ledbetterman10 said:

MisterEtake2 said:

Tim Simmons said:

The "forthcoming" post from last year is the perfect example of why the 10c doesn't need to say anything. Unless they are saying "its in production/shipping", anything else will be seen as a tease and be picked apart or misconstrued. The lack of info is actually all the info we need rn and says everything.
 

How about doing something to make up for it?  Hey ten club members, sorry we've neglected you for so long.  We're going to give you a few download codes (which cost us nothing) as a token of good will.  Or we'll gave you a discount on gift cards or at the shop.  Maybe that and an apology for starters.  At least DO SOMETHING.

I feel bad for anyone that's just getting into Pearl Jam now (or got into them within the past five years) and joined the fanclub. They might feel like the whole thing's a scam. 

Well, maybe I can answer that. Although I always liked them, especially Yield and Live on Two Legs and Binaural, I never really was a fan, until last year, after missing out on tickets for Berlin, I found bootlegs instead of tickets and really got into them, up to a point where it feels odd to listen to something else.

So I joined the ten club because I definitely want to see the next show in my area. As far as I remember, I did so shortly after they anounced the end of the single. I certainly don't think "this whole thing" (i.e. Pearl Jam? the ten club??) is a scam, that's just absurd. I think they're too lazy, and it got to a point where they know they can't win anyway, if the deliver the singles now, everybody will complain that they deserved someting better or more special after waiting so long. Same problem with the next album by the way...

Jammalambo

rahjiim said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

MisterEtake2 said:

Tim Simmons said:

The "forthcoming" post from last year is the perfect example of why the 10c doesn't need to say anything. Unless they are saying "its in production/shipping", anything else will be seen as a tease and be picked apart or misconstrued. The lack of info is actually all the info we need rn and says everything.
 

How about doing something to make up for it?  Hey ten club members, sorry we've neglected you for so long.  We're going to give you a few download codes (which cost us nothing) as a token of good will.  Or we'll gave you a discount on gift cards or at the shop.  Maybe that and an apology for starters.  At least DO SOMETHING.

I feel bad for anyone that's just getting into Pearl Jam now (or got into them within the past five years) and joined the fanclub. They might feel like the whole thing's a scam. 

Ledbetterman10 said:

MisterEtake2 said:

Tim Simmons said:

The "forthcoming" post from last year is the perfect example of why the 10c doesn't need to say anything. Unless they are saying "its in production/shipping", anything else will be seen as a tease and be picked apart or misconstrued. The lack of info is actually all the info we need rn and says everything.
 

How about doing something to make up for it?  Hey ten club members, sorry we've neglected you for so long.  We're going to give you a few download codes (which cost us nothing) as a token of good will.  Or we'll gave you a discount on gift cards or at the shop.  Maybe that and an apology for starters.  At least DO SOMETHING.

I feel bad for anyone that's just getting into Pearl Jam now (or got into them within the past five years) and joined the fanclub. They might feel like the whole thing's a scam. 

Well, maybe I can answer that. Although I always liked them, especially Yield and Live on Two Legs and Binaural, I never really was a fan, until last year, after missing out on tickets for Berlin, I found bootlegs instead of tickets and really got into them, up to a point where it feels odd to listen to something else.

So I joined the ten club because I definitely want to see the next show in my area. As far as I remember, I did so shortly after they anounced the end of the single. I certainly don't think "this whole thing" (i.e. Pearl Jam? the ten club??) is a scam, that's just absurd. I think they're too lazy, and it got to a point where they know they can't win anyway, if the deliver the singles now, everybody will complain that they deserved someting better or more special after waiting so long. Same problem with the next album by the way...

Nope, it's not the same problem with the next album.. Even if they said it was "forthcoming", we haven't paid money for it in advance to PJ/TC. If Lightning Bolt ended up to be their last record, the only thing we could do is feeling sad about it, and that's all. They don't owe us a new record. But they can't be justified by saying the same old line so popular on here, "Oh, the fans are never happy, they will bitch about anything anyway, so why even bother?" By that reasoning, we may actually never get the two singles they owe us. Also, I really don't expect nothing special with them.

rahjiim

Jammalambo said:

rahjiim said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

MisterEtake2 said:

Tim Simmons said:

The "forthcoming" post from last year is the perfect example of why the 10c doesn't need to say anything. Unless they are saying "its in production/shipping", anything else will be seen as a tease and be picked apart or misconstrued. The lack of info is actually all the info we need rn and says everything.
 

How about doing something to make up for it?  Hey ten club members, sorry we've neglected you for so long.  We're going to give you a few download codes (which cost us nothing) as a token of good will.  Or we'll gave you a discount on gift cards or at the shop.  Maybe that and an apology for starters.  At least DO SOMETHING.

I feel bad for anyone that's just getting into Pearl Jam now (or got into them within the past five years) and joined the fanclub. They might feel like the whole thing's a scam. 

Ledbetterman10 said:

MisterEtake2 said:

Tim Simmons said:

The "forthcoming" post from last year is the perfect example of why the 10c doesn't need to say anything. Unless they are saying "its in production/shipping", anything else will be seen as a tease and be picked apart or misconstrued. The lack of info is actually all the info we need rn and says everything.
 

How about doing something to make up for it?  Hey ten club members, sorry we've neglected you for so long.  We're going to give you a few download codes (which cost us nothing) as a token of good will.  Or we'll gave you a discount on gift cards or at the shop.  Maybe that and an apology for starters.  At least DO SOMETHING.

I feel bad for anyone that's just getting into Pearl Jam now (or got into them within the past five years) and joined the fanclub. They might feel like the whole thing's a scam. 

Well, maybe I can answer that. Although I always liked them, especially Yield and Live on Two Legs and Binaural, I never really was a fan, until last year, after missing out on tickets for Berlin, I found bootlegs instead of tickets and really got into them, up to a point where it feels odd to listen to something else.

So I joined the ten club because I definitely want to see the next show in my area. As far as I remember, I did so shortly after they anounced the end of the single. I certainly don't think "this whole thing" (i.e. Pearl Jam? the ten club??) is a scam, that's just absurd. I think they're too lazy, and it got to a point where they know they can't win anyway, if the deliver the singles now, everybody will complain that they deserved someting better or more special after waiting so long. Same problem with the next album by the way...

Nope, it's not the same problem with the next album.. Even if they said it was "forthcoming", we haven't paid money for it in advance to PJ/TC. If Lightning Bolt ended up to be their last record, the only thing we could do is feeling sad about it, and that's all. They don't owe us a new record. But they can't be justified by saying the same old line so popular on here, "Oh, the fans are never happy, they will bitch about anything anyway, so why even bother?" By that reasoning, we may actually never get the two singles they owe us. Also, I really don't expect nothing special with them.

So your point ist is, they owe you nothing but these two singles. You don't have high expectations regarding them, but that's all they owe you from a legal standpoint, and so you stick to that?

Anyway, as somebody new, I don't think it's a scam. I do think they can't win whatever they do these days, there's bitching about everything, and I guess they know that.

Spiritual_Chaos

rahjiim said:

Jammalambo said:

rahjiim said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

MisterEtake2 said:

Tim Simmons said:

The "forthcoming" post from last year is the perfect example of why the 10c doesn't need to say anything. Unless they are saying "its in production/shipping", anything else will be seen as a tease and be picked apart or misconstrued. The lack of info is actually all the info we need rn and says everything.
 

How about doing something to make up for it?  Hey ten club members, sorry we've neglected you for so long.  We're going to give you a few download codes (which cost us nothing) as a token of good will.  Or we'll gave you a discount on gift cards or at the shop.  Maybe that and an apology for starters.  At least DO SOMETHING.

I feel bad for anyone that's just getting into Pearl Jam now (or got into them within the past five years) and joined the fanclub. They might feel like the whole thing's a scam. 

Ledbetterman10 said:

MisterEtake2 said:

Tim Simmons said:

The "forthcoming" post from last year is the perfect example of why the 10c doesn't need to say anything. Unless they are saying "its in production/shipping", anything else will be seen as a tease and be picked apart or misconstrued. The lack of info is actually all the info we need rn and says everything.
 

How about doing something to make up for it?  Hey ten club members, sorry we've neglected you for so long.  We're going to give you a few download codes (which cost us nothing) as a token of good will.  Or we'll gave you a discount on gift cards or at the shop.  Maybe that and an apology for starters.  At least DO SOMETHING.

I feel bad for anyone that's just getting into Pearl Jam now (or got into them within the past five years) and joined the fanclub. They might feel like the whole thing's a scam. 

Well, maybe I can answer that. Although I always liked them, especially Yield and Live on Two Legs and Binaural, I never really was a fan, until last year, after missing out on tickets for Berlin, I found bootlegs instead of tickets and really got into them, up to a point where it feels odd to listen to something else.

So I joined the ten club because I definitely want to see the next show in my area. As far as I remember, I did so shortly after they anounced the end of the single. I certainly don't think "this whole thing" (i.e. Pearl Jam? the ten club??) is a scam, that's just absurd. I think they're too lazy, and it got to a point where they know they can't win anyway, if the deliver the singles now, everybody will complain that they deserved someting better or more special after waiting so long. Same problem with the next album by the way...

Nope, it's not the same problem with the next album.. Even if they said it was "forthcoming", we haven't paid money for it in advance to PJ/TC. If Lightning Bolt ended up to be their last record, the only thing we could do is feeling sad about it, and that's all. They don't owe us a new record. But they can't be justified by saying the same old line so popular on here, "Oh, the fans are never happy, they will bitch about anything anyway, so why even bother?" By that reasoning, we may actually never get the two singles they owe us. Also, I really don't expect nothing special with them.

So your point ist is, they owe you nothing but these two singles. You don't have high expectations regarding them, but that's all they owe you from a legal standpoint, and so you stick to that?

Anyway, as somebody new, I don't think it's a scam. I do think they can't win whatever they do these days, there's bitching about everything, and I guess they know that.

No need to be an apologist.

They could win by not taking ACTUAL YEARS (one year is 365 days) to fix things they are obliged to and promise as a part of their analog membership. 

And it's been, as someone pointed out, SEVEN MONTHS (one month is roughly 30 days) since the tenclub updated us on it.

No need to defend it. No need to be that kind of a fan. Kevin is better than Nick.

lastexitlondon

Sandkasten

mace1229

rahjiim said:

Jammalambo said:

rahjiim said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

MisterEtake2 said:

Tim Simmons said:

The "forthcoming" post from last year is the perfect example of why the 10c doesn't need to say anything. Unless they are saying "its in production/shipping", anything else will be seen as a tease and be picked apart or misconstrued. The lack of info is actually all the info we need rn and says everything.
 

How about doing something to make up for it?  Hey ten club members, sorry we've neglected you for so long.  We're going to give you a few download codes (which cost us nothing) as a token of good will.  Or we'll gave you a discount on gift cards or at the shop.  Maybe that and an apology for starters.  At least DO SOMETHING.

I feel bad for anyone that's just getting into Pearl Jam now (or got into them within the past five years) and joined the fanclub. They might feel like the whole thing's a scam. 

Ledbetterman10 said:

MisterEtake2 said:

Tim Simmons said:

The "forthcoming" post from last year is the perfect example of why the 10c doesn't need to say anything. Unless they are saying "its in production/shipping", anything else will be seen as a tease and be picked apart or misconstrued. The lack of info is actually all the info we need rn and says everything.
 

How about doing something to make up for it?  Hey ten club members, sorry we've neglected you for so long.  We're going to give you a few download codes (which cost us nothing) as a token of good will.  Or we'll gave you a discount on gift cards or at the shop.  Maybe that and an apology for starters.  At least DO SOMETHING.

I feel bad for anyone that's just getting into Pearl Jam now (or got into them within the past five years) and joined the fanclub. They might feel like the whole thing's a scam. 

Well, maybe I can answer that. Although I always liked them, especially Yield and Live on Two Legs and Binaural, I never really was a fan, until last year, after missing out on tickets for Berlin, I found bootlegs instead of tickets and really got into them, up to a point where it feels odd to listen to something else.

So I joined the ten club because I definitely want to see the next show in my area. As far as I remember, I did so shortly after they anounced the end of the single. I certainly don't think "this whole thing" (i.e. Pearl Jam? the ten club??) is a scam, that's just absurd. I think they're too lazy, and it got to a point where they know they can't win anyway, if the deliver the singles now, everybody will complain that they deserved someting better or more special after waiting so long. Same problem with the next album by the way...

Nope, it's not the same problem with the next album.. Even if they said it was "forthcoming", we haven't paid money for it in advance to PJ/TC. If Lightning Bolt ended up to be their last record, the only thing we could do is feeling sad about it, and that's all. They don't owe us a new record. But they can't be justified by saying the same old line so popular on here, "Oh, the fans are never happy, they will bitch about anything anyway, so why even bother?" By that reasoning, we may actually never get the two singles they owe us. Also, I really don't expect nothing special with them.

So your point ist is, they owe you nothing but these two singles. You don't have high expectations regarding them, but that's all they owe you from a legal standpoint, and so you stick to that?

Anyway, as somebody new, I don't think it's a scam. I do think they can't win whatever they do these days, there's bitching about everything, and I guess they know that.

Scam may be too strong. But by your own explanation I say that easily qualifies as taking advantage of your customers. Would you not agree? You say they know they can get away with it, and that’s right. They maybe lost a few digital memberships to analog, but I bet their fan base is very large and still making a ton of money just off dues. And for someone who did it just mainly for the tickets will get the opportunity to buy tickets once every 3 or 4 years.

i would have no problem dropping my membership if I didn’t have a good number. I good really good seats to Chicago, but know lots of people who had terrible seats and would have been better off in the public sale. If they ever do away with seniority seating it would be an easy choice to drop my membership. I really don’t see the benefit to newer members.

pjl44

mace1229 said:

rahjiim said:

Jammalambo said:

rahjiim said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

MisterEtake2 said:

Tim Simmons said:

The "forthcoming" post from last year is the perfect example of why the 10c doesn't need to say anything. Unless they are saying "its in production/shipping", anything else will be seen as a tease and be picked apart or misconstrued. The lack of info is actually all the info we need rn and says everything.
 

How about doing something to make up for it?  Hey ten club members, sorry we've neglected you for so long.  We're going to give you a few download codes (which cost us nothing) as a token of good will.  Or we'll gave you a discount on gift cards or at the shop.  Maybe that and an apology for starters.  At least DO SOMETHING.

I feel bad for anyone that's just getting into Pearl Jam now (or got into them within the past five years) and joined the fanclub. They might feel like the whole thing's a scam. 

Ledbetterman10 said:

MisterEtake2 said:

Tim Simmons said:

The "forthcoming" post from last year is the perfect example of why the 10c doesn't need to say anything. Unless they are saying "its in production/shipping", anything else will be seen as a tease and be picked apart or misconstrued. The lack of info is actually all the info we need rn and says everything.
 

How about doing something to make up for it?  Hey ten club members, sorry we've neglected you for so long.  We're going to give you a few download codes (which cost us nothing) as a token of good will.  Or we'll gave you a discount on gift cards or at the shop.  Maybe that and an apology for starters.  At least DO SOMETHING.

I feel bad for anyone that's just getting into Pearl Jam now (or got into them within the past five years) and joined the fanclub. They might feel like the whole thing's a scam. 

Well, maybe I can answer that. Although I always liked them, especially Yield and Live on Two Legs and Binaural, I never really was a fan, until last year, after missing out on tickets for Berlin, I found bootlegs instead of tickets and really got into them, up to a point where it feels odd to listen to something else.

So I joined the ten club because I definitely want to see the next show in my area. As far as I remember, I did so shortly after they anounced the end of the single. I certainly don't think "this whole thing" (i.e. Pearl Jam? the ten club??) is a scam, that's just absurd. I think they're too lazy, and it got to a point where they know they can't win anyway, if the deliver the singles now, everybody will complain that they deserved someting better or more special after waiting so long. Same problem with the next album by the way...

Nope, it's not the same problem with the next album.. Even if they said it was "forthcoming", we haven't paid money for it in advance to PJ/TC. If Lightning Bolt ended up to be their last record, the only thing we could do is feeling sad about it, and that's all. They don't owe us a new record. But they can't be justified by saying the same old line so popular on here, "Oh, the fans are never happy, they will bitch about anything anyway, so why even bother?" By that reasoning, we may actually never get the two singles they owe us. Also, I really don't expect nothing special with them.

So your point ist is, they owe you nothing but these two singles. You don't have high expectations regarding them, but that's all they owe you from a legal standpoint, and so you stick to that?

Anyway, as somebody new, I don't think it's a scam. I do think they can't win whatever they do these days, there's bitching about everything, and I guess they know that.

Scam may be too strong. But by your own explanation I say that easily qualifies as taking advantage of your customers. Would you not agree? You say they know they can get away with it, and that’s right. They maybe lost a few digital memberships to analog, but I bet their fan base is very large and still making a ton of money just off dues. And for someone who did it just mainly for the tickets will get the opportunity to buy tickets once every 3 or 4 years.

i would have no problem dropping my membership if I didn’t have a good number. I good really good seats to Chicago, but know lots of people who had terrible seats and would have been better off in the public sale. If they ever do away with seniority seating it would be an easy choice to drop my membership. I really don’t see the benefit to newer members.

If they continue to have GA sections at shows, the ticket benefit is still pretty valuable to newer members.

With reserved seats, you *can* potentially get better sets through the presale but what are the chances that you *do*? I might be more willing to gamble if I was going to shows in the southeast vs. New York, for example. Bird in the hand and whatnot.

kramer73

I enjoy reading how worked up alot of you are about these two singles.  

my_wave

I honestly and sadly think that they just don't care anymore

vaggar99

PSUS2H said:

I do think 10c cares, however I think the band has a lot of creative control on this and perhaps it is not as pressing to them right now.  10c is known for doing things the right way.  They'll happen eventually.  Don't fret. 

your naïveté is quite refreshing.

Tim Simmons

the cynicism is heartbreaking

THEBIBLEISTEN

kramer73 said:

I enjoy reading how worked up alot of you are about these two singles.  

It’s not being worked up, it’s the fact that we paid for something and that product was never produced or delivered. We are going on years, not months that something that was paid for was never delivered and provided. Why don’t you send me $80 and I’ll send a promised product in a couple years when I’m ready. But don’t expect any communication from me and don’t ever ask about an update. Do you want my Venmo and you can send me the money? 

Tim Simmons

What’s the product? 

THEBIBLEISTEN

Tim Simmons said:

What’s the product? 

No questions please, just sent me the money. But the product is from me and made by me. I’ll send it once a year but I just won’t specify what year. Send it now

Tim Simmons

I get what you are doing and all, but this isn’t an apple to apples analogy here. 

pjl44

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

Tim Simmons said:

What’s the product? 

No questions please, just sent me the money. But the product is from me and made by me. I’ll send it once a year but I just won’t specify what year. Send it now

Deliver a superior product for 25 years and then I'll be happy to float you .001% of what I've spent already

THEBIBLEISTEN

You guys are missing the point and you know I’m right

pjl44

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

You guys are missing the point and you know I’m right

People have a legitimate gripe, but it's a stupid analogy 

edocon

TheBibleIsTen? Must be hardcore fan. I'm with her/him. Why are we cutting PJ so much slack for this? If Walmart had promised us two vinyl singles would we be trying to rationalize the reason for not having received them? 

NewJPage

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

kramer73 said:

I enjoy reading how worked up alot of you are about these two singles.  

It’s not being worked up, it’s the fact that we paid for something and that product was never produced or delivered. We are going on years, not months that something that was paid for was never delivered and provided. Why don’t you send me $80 and I’ll send a promised product in a couple years when I’m ready. But don’t expect any communication from me and don’t ever ask about an update. Do you want my Venmo and you can send me the money? 

To me it's not about being owed as much as it is sad that this is not an active band