Hey how about those 2 missing Ten Club singles!

Spiritual_Chaos

Lost In Ohio said:

pjl44 said:

jeffbr said:

vogonpoetbythelake said:

What I don't understand is why we analogue members would still  be charged more if it is the same as a digital account or am I missing something? other than the singles?

Well, analog members are still entitled to an ugly t-shirt annually, as well as a non-existent physical copy of Deep. So there's that.
Downgrading my membership to digital in a couple of months when it is renewal time.

You also get a free bootleg download. If you use that, it's a matter of whether the tshirt and physical Deep are worth $10.

There used to be more then $20 worth of stuff for $20 more:

$10 vinyl plus shipping if bought individually
DEEP
$9.99 MP3 code.
Shirt

Now it's $20 more and you get...
Deep
$9.99 MP3
Shirt

The shirt used to be straight-up free. Now it's not.

Them just adding to their own $$$ margins without even a comment about it, and it not causing an uproar among fans is sad.

pjl44

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Lost In Ohio said:

pjl44 said:

jeffbr said:

vogonpoetbythelake said:

What I don't understand is why we analogue members would still  be charged more if it is the same as a digital account or am I missing something? other than the singles?

Well, analog members are still entitled to an ugly t-shirt annually, as well as a non-existent physical copy of Deep. So there's that.
Downgrading my membership to digital in a couple of months when it is renewal time.

You also get a free bootleg download. If you use that, it's a matter of whether the tshirt and physical Deep are worth $10.

There used to be more then $20 worth of stuff for $20 more:

$10 vinyl plus shipping if bought individually
DEEP
$9.99 MP3 code.
Shirt

Now it's $20 more and you get...
Deep
$9.99 MP3
Shirt

The shirt used to be straight-up free. Now it's not.

Them just adding to their own $$$ margins without even a comment about it, and it not causing an uproar among fans is sad.

You buy or you don't buy. If enough people move from analog to digital or nada, that's how you get them to revisit pricing and/or offerings.

Spiritual_Chaos

pjl44 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Lost In Ohio said:

pjl44 said:

jeffbr said:

vogonpoetbythelake said:

What I don't understand is why we analogue members would still  be charged more if it is the same as a digital account or am I missing something? other than the singles?

Well, analog members are still entitled to an ugly t-shirt annually, as well as a non-existent physical copy of Deep. So there's that.
Downgrading my membership to digital in a couple of months when it is renewal time.

You also get a free bootleg download. If you use that, it's a matter of whether the tshirt and physical Deep are worth $10.

There used to be more then $20 worth of stuff for $20 more:

$10 vinyl plus shipping if bought individually
DEEP
$9.99 MP3 code.
Shirt

Now it's $20 more and you get...
Deep
$9.99 MP3
Shirt

The shirt used to be straight-up free. Now it's not.

Them just adding to their own $$$ margins without even a comment about it, and it not causing an uproar among fans is sad.

You buy or you don't buy.

The relationship between a band and a fan isn't a pure transactional market-economic relationship.  

So that tired argument showing up, from you and others, far to often is as moot as it ever was.

But hey, I bet you would defend Pearl Jam pushing tickets for 250 dollars on stub hub like Metallica - because the market would pay it?

pjl44

Spiritual_Chaos said:

pjl44 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Lost In Ohio said:

pjl44 said:

jeffbr said:

vogonpoetbythelake said:

What I don't understand is why we analogue members would still  be charged more if it is the same as a digital account or am I missing something? other than the singles?

Well, analog members are still entitled to an ugly t-shirt annually, as well as a non-existent physical copy of Deep. So there's that.
Downgrading my membership to digital in a couple of months when it is renewal time.

You also get a free bootleg download. If you use that, it's a matter of whether the tshirt and physical Deep are worth $10.

There used to be more then $20 worth of stuff for $20 more:

$10 vinyl plus shipping if bought individually
DEEP
$9.99 MP3 code.
Shirt

Now it's $20 more and you get...
Deep
$9.99 MP3
Shirt

The shirt used to be straight-up free. Now it's not.

Them just adding to their own $$$ margins without even a comment about it, and it not causing an uproar among fans is sad.

You buy or you don't buy.

The relationship between a band and a fan isn't a pure transactional market-economic relationship.  

So that tired argument showing up, from you and others, far to often is as moot as it ever was.

But hey, I bet you would defend Pearl Jam pushing tickets for 250 dollars on stub hub like Metallica also - because the market would pay it.

Oh, buddy. I have some bad news about what the relationship between me/you and the bands we love is. Seems like only one of us understands it.

Spiritual_Chaos

pjl44 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

pjl44 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Lost In Ohio said:

pjl44 said:

jeffbr said:

vogonpoetbythelake said:

What I don't understand is why we analogue members would still  be charged more if it is the same as a digital account or am I missing something? other than the singles?

Well, analog members are still entitled to an ugly t-shirt annually, as well as a non-existent physical copy of Deep. So there's that.
Downgrading my membership to digital in a couple of months when it is renewal time.

You also get a free bootleg download. If you use that, it's a matter of whether the tshirt and physical Deep are worth $10.

There used to be more then $20 worth of stuff for $20 more:

$10 vinyl plus shipping if bought individually
DEEP
$9.99 MP3 code.
Shirt

Now it's $20 more and you get...
Deep
$9.99 MP3
Shirt

The shirt used to be straight-up free. Now it's not.

Them just adding to their own $$$ margins without even a comment about it, and it not causing an uproar among fans is sad.

You buy or you don't buy.

The relationship between a band and a fan isn't a pure transactional market-economic relationship.  

So that tired argument showing up, from you and others, far to often is as moot as it ever was.

But hey, I bet you would defend Pearl Jam pushing tickets for 250 dollars on stub hub like Metallica also - because the market would pay it.

Oh, buddy. I have some bad news about what the relationship between me/you and the bands we love is. Seems like only of us understands it.

Which one of us who understand it, would come as a surprise to you. Buddy, Oh.

Would you defend Pearl Jam pushing tickets for 250 dollars on stub hub like Metallica - because the market would pay it?

pjl44

And ticket-wise, bands should do whatever they want. Metallica did it in an underhanded way, which was dumb. In this day and age, bands have every right to employ dynamic pricing, VIP packages, or whatever. I'd rather see the artist get that money than scalpers.

All that said, Pearl Jam's approach makes me respect them even more. Not only their insistence on securing every great seat for the fan club, but their insane ability to keep them out of the secondary market. It's one of the reasons I'm quick to defend them when people start hurling personal insults over delayed records.

pjl44

I mean, this is probably the root of the problem. If you shook someone's hand on the street and they don't know your name or even who you are, what is your relationship to that person?

ryanphishes

Why do so many people think the members of the band have so much to do with the release of a fan club single?

Clearly, they care about what they release, like most artists, but it seems like a lot of you think they don't have management and are sitting around thinking really hard about what to release for a "christmas single".

The most difficult thing they'e done with the singles lately was probably getting the rights to release the ones with Jay-Z and Beyonce due to royalties from cover songs and the guest artists.

Analog members just want the vinyl and don't *really* care what's on it, based on posts and previous releases.  If  Pearl Jam or Ten Club want to deliver the singles, it would just take a few phone calls to get the ball rolling quickly.

Tim Simmons

Because the delay has a taste of artist flakiness and indecision (and focus). PJ has great management. If it was all on them, it would have never gotten to this point. 


Management and the club facilitates the bands needs and wishes. They work for them. I'm sure theres lots of great stuff and opportunities presented to the band and they have the final say on things.  

disilluzion

pjl44 said:

jeffbr said:

vogonpoetbythelake said:

What I don't understand is why we analogue members would still  be charged more if it is the same as a digital account or am I missing something? other than the singles?

Well, analog members are still entitled to an ugly t-shirt annually, as well as a non-existent physical copy of Deep. So there's that.
Downgrading my membership to digital in a couple of months when it is renewal time.

You also get a free bootleg download. If you use that, it's a matter of whether the tshirt and physical Deep are worth $10.

How is it "free" when you are paying $20 for it?

brewdog123

on2legs said:

It’s good we started another thread to cover the exact same ground we’ve already covered in a dozen other threads.

there is a simple way to shut the majority up

Tim Simmons

Shut down this forum?

pjl44

disilluzion said:

pjl44 said:

jeffbr said:

vogonpoetbythelake said:

What I don't understand is why we analogue members would still  be charged more if it is the same as a digital account or am I missing something? other than the singles?

Well, analog members are still entitled to an ugly t-shirt annually, as well as a non-existent physical copy of Deep. So there's that.
Downgrading my membership to digital in a couple of months when it is renewal time.

You also get a free bootleg download. If you use that, it's a matter of whether the tshirt and physical Deep are worth $10.

How is it "free" when you are paying $20 for it?

"Included with the membership fee" better? Do you not understand the point I'm trying to make or are you being pedantic?

disilluzion

Much better. Most people don't understand the meaning of the word, so I just wanted to make sure that you did. Just like if I PAY for Amazon Prime, I'm not getting unlimited FREE shipping like they advertise. Since I'm paying a yearly fee, the shipping is far from free.

brewdog123

Tim Simmons said:

Shut down this forum?

might as well at this point. we havent been given a lot to talk about from PJ lately. It would also shut up the sheep/homers that flip out over any sort of slightly negative comment/critique of the band

Tim Simmons

brewdog123 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Shut down this forum?

might as well at this point. we havent been given a lot to talk about from PJ lately. It would also shut up the sheep/homers that flip out over any sort of slightly negative comment/critique of the band

And the entitled fans too.

brewdog123

entitled to a response from the band/ten club, yeah i guess you are right

JimmyV

Expecting membership benefits paid for years ago to be delivered is not entitlement. Trying to claim otherwise in some strange defense of the band's business practices is a weird hill to die on.

Tim Simmons

I guess other than that these are in production or shipping, whats the update you guys want?

dudeman

Tim Simmons said:

I guess other than that these are in production or shipping, whats the update you guys want?

That's pretty much it. 

Oh, and how much does the package weigh?