Requirements for Aconcagua:
- Climbers must submit a document detailing previous winter ascents they have made, which proves they have relevant experience and sufficient knowledge to attempt the climb.
The Inexcusable Travesty of Mt. Everest
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Its, just a tweet. Jeesh. Big deal. Maybe people need to see visual evidence so things change. You do realize that to climb Everest it is relatively easy to get the permit as opposed to other mountains that demand you prove you have the experience to climb the mountain. Maybe this person tweeted that hoping to enact change. Maybe the person who took the picture is frustrated that inexperienced mountaineers are costing people there lives...PJ_Soul said:
I think everyone got that. I just don't think that the tweet reflects that at all, for the reasons I already said. The dead person and probably the Nepalese government were the only ones responsible for his death, not the other climbers walking past his body. The dead climber's own ego may have been placed by him before his own life, and certainly the license fee was more important to Nepal.Meltdown99 said:I do get. The gist of the tweet is that greed and ego are more important than human lives.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
I would never climb Mt. Everest, but if I did, I would want it to be me (team included) and the mountain. This over-crowding would completely diminish the experience to me. My vote doesn’t count, because I’m not a serious climber, but this has reached the point of being ridiculous.0
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Gern Blansten said:https://allthatsinteresting.com/george-mallory-body
This was crazy....the people that found Sir Edmund Hillary's bodyConrad Anker, the man who discovered Hillary's body, with the help of first-rate mountaineering author David Roberts, wrote a fascinating account of that discovery along with some really interesting background into Hillary's life. A very fine book:
EDIT: I meant to add this as well- Conrad Anker is one of the three climbers in the mountaineering film document, "Meru". It's still my favorite mountaineering movie (even topping "Free Solo" for me), and one of my very favorite movies of all kinds. Conrad, Jimmy Chin, and Renan Ozturk are amazing. And in one of the DVD extras, John Krakauer gives what for me is the quintessential answer to the question, "What is the meaning of life". (Don't ask me to give it away. You MUST see this film!)Post edited by brianlux on"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Oh gee, sorry for discussing a post you put on a message board. It's definitely not about your poor choices of problematic memes and tweets you constantly post here.Meltdown99 said:
Its, just a tweet. Jeesh. Big deal. Maybe people need to see visual evidence so things change. You do realize that to climb Everest it is relatively easy to get the permit as opposed to other mountains that demand you prove you have the experience to climb the mountain. Maybe this person tweeted that hoping to enact change. Maybe the person who took the picture is frustrated that inexperienced mountaineers are costing people there lives...PJ_Soul said:
I think everyone got that. I just don't think that the tweet reflects that at all, for the reasons I already said. The dead person and probably the Nepalese government were the only ones responsible for his death, not the other climbers walking past his body. The dead climber's own ego may have been placed by him before his own life, and certainly the license fee was more important to Nepal.Meltdown99 said:I do get. The gist of the tweet is that greed and ego are more important than human lives.
Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
The over crowding would definitely suck but to say you were 29,029 feet above sea level is a level of badassness I can not comprehend. I would climb it in a heartbeat.bbiggs said:I would never climb Mt. Everest, but if I did, I would want it to be me (team included) and the mountain. This over-crowding would completely diminish the experience to me. My vote doesn’t count, because I’m not a serious climber, but this has reached the point of being ridiculous.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Way to have a discussion on a discussion board. The nerve of some people, geez.PJ_Soul said:
Oh gee, sorry for discussing a post you put on a message board. It's definitely now about your poor choices of problematic memes and tweets to constantly post here.Meltdown99 said:
Its, just a tweet. Jeesh. Big deal. Maybe people need to see visual evidence so things change. You do realize that to climb Everest it is relatively easy to get the permit as opposed to other mountains that demand you prove you have the experience to climb the mountain. Maybe this person tweeted that hoping to enact change. Maybe the person who took the picture is frustrated that inexperienced mountaineers are costing people there lives...PJ_Soul said:
I think everyone got that. I just don't think that the tweet reflects that at all, for the reasons I already said. The dead person and probably the Nepalese government were the only ones responsible for his death, not the other climbers walking past his body. The dead climber's own ego may have been placed by him before his own life, and certainly the license fee was more important to Nepal.Meltdown99 said:I do get. The gist of the tweet is that greed and ego are more important than human lives.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
mcgruff10 said:
The over crowding would definitely suck but to say you were 29,029 feet above sea level is a level of badassness I can not comprehend. I would climb it in a heartbeat.bbiggs said:I would never climb Mt. Everest, but if I did, I would want it to be me (team included) and the mountain. This over-crowding would completely diminish the experience to me. My vote doesn’t count, because I’m not a serious climber, but this has reached the point of being ridiculous.I've been 40,000+ feet above sea level before. It's only okay.
Me, yeah, the number of people on that mountain is an insane turn off. I have ZERO interest in going somewhere that reminds me of how much human fuck everything up and make a beautiful place worse.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
What mountains must you prove your experience before obtaining a permit?Meltdown99 said:
Its, just a tweet. Jeesh. Big deal. Maybe people need to see visual evidence so things change. You do realize that to climb Everest it is relatively easy to get the permit as opposed to other mountains that demand you prove you have the experience to climb the mountain. Maybe this person tweeted that hoping to enact change. Maybe the person who took the picture is frustrated that inexperienced mountaineers are costing people there lives...PJ_Soul said:
I think everyone got that. I just don't think that the tweet reflects that at all, for the reasons I already said. The dead person and probably the Nepalese government were the only ones responsible for his death, not the other climbers walking past his body. The dead climber's own ego may have been placed by him before his own life, and certainly the license fee was more important to Nepal.Meltdown99 said:I do get. The gist of the tweet is that greed and ego are more important than human lives.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
mcgruff10 said:
What mountains must you prove your experience before obtaining a permit?Meltdown99 said:
Its, just a tweet. Jeesh. Big deal. Maybe people need to see visual evidence so things change. You do realize that to climb Everest it is relatively easy to get the permit as opposed to other mountains that demand you prove you have the experience to climb the mountain. Maybe this person tweeted that hoping to enact change. Maybe the person who took the picture is frustrated that inexperienced mountaineers are costing people there lives...PJ_Soul said:
I think everyone got that. I just don't think that the tweet reflects that at all, for the reasons I already said. The dead person and probably the Nepalese government were the only ones responsible for his death, not the other climbers walking past his body. The dead climber's own ego may have been placed by him before his own life, and certainly the license fee was more important to Nepal.Meltdown99 said:I do get. The gist of the tweet is that greed and ego are more important than human lives.Good question.I think all major mountain expeditions outfits should require proven levels of experience, levels of which would depend on the severity of the climb. Any eight thousander should require a high level of experience. No one should simply be allowed to "buy their way to the top"."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
brianlux said:mcgruff10 said:
What mountains must you prove your experience before obtaining a permit?Meltdown99 said:
Its, just a tweet. Jeesh. Big deal. Maybe people need to see visual evidence so things change. You do realize that to climb Everest it is relatively easy to get the permit as opposed to other mountains that demand you prove you have the experience to climb the mountain. Maybe this person tweeted that hoping to enact change. Maybe the person who took the picture is frustrated that inexperienced mountaineers are costing people there lives...PJ_Soul said:
I think everyone got that. I just don't think that the tweet reflects that at all, for the reasons I already said. The dead person and probably the Nepalese government were the only ones responsible for his death, not the other climbers walking past his body. The dead climber's own ego may have been placed by him before his own life, and certainly the license fee was more important to Nepal.Meltdown99 said:I do get. The gist of the tweet is that greed and ego are more important than human lives.Good question.I think all major mountain expeditions outfits should require proven levels of experience, levels of which would depend on the severity of the climb. Any eight thousander should require a high level of experience. No one should simply be allowed to "buy their way to the top".
They likely should, but I'm also interested in whether they actually do. I haven't been able to find anything on this yet. All the mountains I've checked so far require permits and often a deposit, in case rescue is needed, but I haven't found any yet that actually require proof of climbing competence.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Yeah I have never heard of it but I am far from an expert on the matter. I did a couple 14 ers in Colorado and 4’s in New Hampshire but nothing too technical.oftenreading said:brianlux said:mcgruff10 said:
What mountains must you prove your experience before obtaining a permit?Meltdown99 said:
Its, just a tweet. Jeesh. Big deal. Maybe people need to see visual evidence so things change. You do realize that to climb Everest it is relatively easy to get the permit as opposed to other mountains that demand you prove you have the experience to climb the mountain. Maybe this person tweeted that hoping to enact change. Maybe the person who took the picture is frustrated that inexperienced mountaineers are costing people there lives...PJ_Soul said:
I think everyone got that. I just don't think that the tweet reflects that at all, for the reasons I already said. The dead person and probably the Nepalese government were the only ones responsible for his death, not the other climbers walking past his body. The dead climber's own ego may have been placed by him before his own life, and certainly the license fee was more important to Nepal.Meltdown99 said:I do get. The gist of the tweet is that greed and ego are more important than human lives.Good question.I think all major mountain expeditions outfits should require proven levels of experience, levels of which would depend on the severity of the climb. Any eight thousander should require a high level of experience. No one should simply be allowed to "buy their way to the top".
They likely should, but I'm also interested in whether they actually do. I haven't been able to find anything on this yet. All the mountains I've checked so far require permits and often a deposit, in case rescue is needed, but I haven't found any yet that actually require proof of climbing competence.
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mcgruff10 said:
Yeah I have never heard of it but I am far from an expert on the matter. I did a couple 14 ers in Colorado and 4’s in New Hampshire but nothing too technical.oftenreading said:brianlux said:mcgruff10 said:
What mountains must you prove your experience before obtaining a permit?Meltdown99 said:
Its, just a tweet. Jeesh. Big deal. Maybe people need to see visual evidence so things change. You do realize that to climb Everest it is relatively easy to get the permit as opposed to other mountains that demand you prove you have the experience to climb the mountain. Maybe this person tweeted that hoping to enact change. Maybe the person who took the picture is frustrated that inexperienced mountaineers are costing people there lives...PJ_Soul said:
I think everyone got that. I just don't think that the tweet reflects that at all, for the reasons I already said. The dead person and probably the Nepalese government were the only ones responsible for his death, not the other climbers walking past his body. The dead climber's own ego may have been placed by him before his own life, and certainly the license fee was more important to Nepal.Meltdown99 said:I do get. The gist of the tweet is that greed and ego are more important than human lives.Good question.I think all major mountain expeditions outfits should require proven levels of experience, levels of which would depend on the severity of the climb. Any eight thousander should require a high level of experience. No one should simply be allowed to "buy their way to the top".
They likely should, but I'm also interested in whether they actually do. I haven't been able to find anything on this yet. All the mountains I've checked so far require permits and often a deposit, in case rescue is needed, but I haven't found any yet that actually require proof of climbing competence.You may find some answers here, towards the end.From the article I posted this morning......Different mountains have different rules. To scale Aconcagua in Argentina, climbers are asked to provide details of winter ascents they have made in the past. Similar experience is recommended for climbing Denali in Alaska and Kilimanjaro in Tanzania. For other peaks, such as Vinson in Antarctica, Elbrus in Russia or Kosciuszko in Australia, it seems there are fewer restrictions.0 -
I do know that I did read that some mountains want proof of experience. Not sure if that are the guide services that require the proof before they take your cash or the permit issuers...either way, all the big mountains should require proof...mcgruff10 said:
What mountains must you prove your experience before obtaining a permit?Meltdown99 said:
Its, just a tweet. Jeesh. Big deal. Maybe people need to see visual evidence so things change. You do realize that to climb Everest it is relatively easy to get the permit as opposed to other mountains that demand you prove you have the experience to climb the mountain. Maybe this person tweeted that hoping to enact change. Maybe the person who took the picture is frustrated that inexperienced mountaineers are costing people there lives...PJ_Soul said:
I think everyone got that. I just don't think that the tweet reflects that at all, for the reasons I already said. The dead person and probably the Nepalese government were the only ones responsible for his death, not the other climbers walking past his body. The dead climber's own ego may have been placed by him before his own life, and certainly the license fee was more important to Nepal.Meltdown99 said:I do get. The gist of the tweet is that greed and ego are more important than human lives.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
The problem is, I’m not sure I have that level of badassness!mcgruff10 said:
The over crowding would definitely suck but to say you were 29,029 feet above sea level is a level of badassness I can not comprehend. I would climb it in a heartbeat.bbiggs said:I would never climb Mt. Everest, but if I did, I would want it to be me (team included) and the mountain. This over-crowding would completely diminish the experience to me. My vote doesn’t count, because I’m not a serious climber, but this has reached the point of being ridiculous.0 -
So in this article, it states that climbers are vetted. So there must be a way to show proof. I know I read online that some mountains require proof...just not sure if its the guide companies or the permit issuers...and of course the article I cannot find and with all the news on Everest there are plenty of articles. I think maybe they need to vet better for Everest climbs. Far too many inexperienced climbers on the mountain.
Nepal blames amateur climbers and trekking companies for Mount Everest deaths
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/nepal-marks-1st-everest-summit-amid-debate-over-permits
Expedition operators said they do vet climbers’ experience and ability before signing up them up and that even seasoned mountaineers sometimes lose their lives on Everest.
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11 deaths on Everest this year and they were believed to be experienced trekkers.Meltdown99 said:So in this article, it states that climbers are vetted. So there must be a way to show proof. I know I read online that some mountains require proof...just not sure if its the guide companies or the permit issuers...and of course the article I cannot find and with all the news on Everest there are plenty of articles. I think maybe they need to vet better for Everest climbs. Far too many inexperienced climbers on the mountain.
Nepal blames amateur climbers and trekking companies for Mount Everest deaths
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/nepal-marks-1st-everest-summit-amid-debate-over-permits
Expedition operators said they do vet climbers’ experience and ability before signing up them up and that even seasoned mountaineers sometimes lose their lives on Everest.- Climbers must submit an affidavit to the Administration where they assume all responsibility for the risks of the expedition, releasing from responsibility the Mendoza Government and all relevant institutions.
- Climbers must submit a list of the specific technical equipment they will be using for a winter ascent.
- Climbers must show a valid insurance policy to the Administration which guarantees cover in case of a rescue or evacuation or for emergency medical care.
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Thank you. I knew I was not imagining it. Still, I could never imagine attempting Everest unless I was very experienced.Renfield said:
11 deaths on Everest this year and they were believed to be experienced trekkers.Meltdown99 said:So in this article, it states that climbers are vetted. So there must be a way to show proof. I know I read online that some mountains require proof...just not sure if its the guide companies or the permit issuers...and of course the article I cannot find and with all the news on Everest there are plenty of articles. I think maybe they need to vet better for Everest climbs. Far too many inexperienced climbers on the mountain.
Nepal blames amateur climbers and trekking companies for Mount Everest deaths
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/nepal-marks-1st-everest-summit-amid-debate-over-permits
Expedition operators said they do vet climbers’ experience and ability before signing up them up and that even seasoned mountaineers sometimes lose their lives on Everest.Requirements for Aconcagua:- Climbers must submit a document detailing previous winter ascents they have made, which proves they have relevant experience and sufficient knowledge to attempt the climb.
- Climbers must submit an affidavit to the Administration where they assume all responsibility for the risks of the expedition, releasing from responsibility the Mendoza Government and all relevant institutions.
- Climbers must submit a list of the specific technical equipment they will be using for a winter ascent.
- Climbers must show a valid insurance policy to the Administration which guarantees cover in case of a rescue or evacuation or for emergency medical care.
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^ Sounds like someone could bluff his or her way through pretty easily.0
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And even then, I can’t imagine doing so, even with my fascination of Mt Everest and those who make successful summits.Meltdown99 said:
Thank you. I knew I was not imagining it. Still, I could never imagine attempting Everest unless I was very experienced.Renfield said:
11 deaths on Everest this year and they were believed to be experienced trekkers.Meltdown99 said:So in this article, it states that climbers are vetted. So there must be a way to show proof. I know I read online that some mountains require proof...just not sure if its the guide companies or the permit issuers...and of course the article I cannot find and with all the news on Everest there are plenty of articles. I think maybe they need to vet better for Everest climbs. Far too many inexperienced climbers on the mountain.
Nepal blames amateur climbers and trekking companies for Mount Everest deaths
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/nepal-marks-1st-everest-summit-amid-debate-over-permits
Expedition operators said they do vet climbers’ experience and ability before signing up them up and that even seasoned mountaineers sometimes lose their lives on Everest.Requirements for Aconcagua:- Climbers must submit a document detailing previous winter ascents they have made, which proves they have relevant experience and sufficient knowledge to attempt the climb.
- Climbers must submit an affidavit to the Administration where they assume all responsibility for the risks of the expedition, releasing from responsibility the Mendoza Government and all relevant institutions.
- Climbers must submit a list of the specific technical equipment they will be using for a winter ascent.
- Climbers must show a valid insurance policy to the Administration which guarantees cover in case of a rescue or evacuation or for emergency medical care.
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I agree.Renfield said:
And even then, I can’t imagine doing so, even with my fascination of Mt Everest and those who make successful summits.Meltdown99 said:
Thank you. I knew I was not imagining it. Still, I could never imagine attempting Everest unless I was very experienced.Renfield said:
11 deaths on Everest this year and they were believed to be experienced trekkers.Meltdown99 said:So in this article, it states that climbers are vetted. So there must be a way to show proof. I know I read online that some mountains require proof...just not sure if its the guide companies or the permit issuers...and of course the article I cannot find and with all the news on Everest there are plenty of articles. I think maybe they need to vet better for Everest climbs. Far too many inexperienced climbers on the mountain.
Nepal blames amateur climbers and trekking companies for Mount Everest deaths
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/nepal-marks-1st-everest-summit-amid-debate-over-permits
Expedition operators said they do vet climbers’ experience and ability before signing up them up and that even seasoned mountaineers sometimes lose their lives on Everest.Requirements for Aconcagua:- Climbers must submit a document detailing previous winter ascents they have made, which proves they have relevant experience and sufficient knowledge to attempt the climb.
- Climbers must submit an affidavit to the Administration where they assume all responsibility for the risks of the expedition, releasing from responsibility the Mendoza Government and all relevant institutions.
- Climbers must submit a list of the specific technical equipment they will be using for a winter ascent.
- Climbers must show a valid insurance policy to the Administration which guarantees cover in case of a rescue or evacuation or for emergency medical care.
Give Peas A Chance…0
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