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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Only a fool takes pride in driving a car.
    I have to agree. This car addiction in North America is a big problem. So many people are being ridiculously defensive and stubborn when it comes to this topic. Many still seem to think that having a car is some sort of badge of honour or "real" adulthood, and a LOT of people actually look down on those who choose to live car-free. It's quite sad.
    It's a necessity for millions of people,  the day to day logistics of my life could not be done without a vehicle.  
    I am not talking about necessity. That has nothing to do with the point me or S_C are making.
    I love cars.  I love driving them.  I love fixing them.  I love rebuilding them.  I love getting dirty underneath them.  I love racing them.  Am I a fool?  Just curious, because I don't feel stupid most of the time, but I love being judged, so fire away.  
    I get it, M.  I was a big car enthusiast when I was young and sort of still am in a way.  I loved my first car- a mid 60's Riley 1.5 with it's rosewood dash, leather seats and amber blinking turn-signal arm- and equally loved my '65 Chevy Malibu.  And  I have to admit that I really like my Prius.  It gets great gas mileage, it will last at least 300,000 miles.  With back seats that fold flat and a rear hatch, I can haul several boxes of books when I need to. 

    But times are changing.  We need to start finding other things to focus on.
    Well that is exactly where I'm coming from (and I wasn't calling you a fool mrussel1, but I do think it's somewhat foolish to cling to the fetishization of cars at this point in time). It is simply time for people to start adjusting, and to let go of the car thing to every extent possible where they live. Obviously that includes cars as a hobby. I know people are into them and are really defensive about this concept ... But life isn't always fair, and I think in this case, letting go of the North American car obsession is for the greater good. People are really going to have to start understanding that they are actually going to have to make sacrifices for the sake of the our environment and to change culture towards that end. That doesn't even have to include public transit, but FFS, this strong resistance to even alternative transportation for individuals, like e-cars and e-bikes, is starting to simply come of as selfish and irresponsible.
    I'm not resistant to alternatives at all.  The reality is cars will continue to be a hobby of some sort until well after I and most on here leave the earth.  Even if crude was outlawed, which isn't imminent, there will be alternatives to convert combustion engines and keep all the collectors happy.  Seeing how R12 converted to R134 refigerant is a perfect example of what will happen.  The market adapts and people with a hobby will continue on..  In no time in the future will I stop enjoying cars.  It's as part of me as music, turntables and Pearl Jam is for many of you. 
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    I'm curious how this affects various power grids.  I mean, in California (and I assume other states / cities) during various times of the year we're prone to brownouts, encouraged to use appliances during designated hours to conserve energy, keep the heat / AC at certain levels, etc.

    If someone with an electric car battery needs juice during an outage, are they shit out of luck?
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    hedonist said:
    I'm curious how this affects various power grids.  I mean, in California (and I assume other states / cities) during various times of the year we're prone to brownouts, encouraged to use appliances during designated hours to conserve energy, keep the heat / AC at certain levels, etc.

    If someone with an electric car battery needs juice during an outage, are they shit out of luck?
    I would think so, unless they also own a fairly powerful gas driven (lol, oh the irony) generator.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    brianlux said:
    hedonist said:
    I'm curious how this affects various power grids.  I mean, in California (and I assume other states / cities) during various times of the year we're prone to brownouts, encouraged to use appliances during designated hours to conserve energy, keep the heat / AC at certain levels, etc.

    If someone with an electric car battery needs juice during an outage, are they shit out of luck?
    I would think so, unless they also own a fairly powerful gas driven (lol, oh the irony) generator.
    not if you have a house equipped with wind and  solar.  Actaully isn't crazy or unattainable to have totally off grid houses.  They are everywhere.

    Plus if you're worrying about blackouts or brownouts there are bigger issues.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Smellyman said:
    brianlux said:
    hedonist said:
    I'm curious how this affects various power grids.  I mean, in California (and I assume other states / cities) during various times of the year we're prone to brownouts, encouraged to use appliances during designated hours to conserve energy, keep the heat / AC at certain levels, etc.

    If someone with an electric car battery needs juice during an outage, are they shit out of luck?
    I would think so, unless they also own a fairly powerful gas driven (lol, oh the irony) generator.
    not if you have a house equipped with wind and  solar.  Actaully isn't crazy or unattainable to have totally off grid houses.  They are everywhere.

    Plus if you're worrying about blackouts or brownouts there are bigger issues.
    Of course there are; there always are.  Silly me for wanting reliable power!

    I can see where shelling out $10 - 15K may pay off over time.  For me, it wouldn't be a priority - well, it's moot, really.


  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Smellyman said:
    brianlux said:
    hedonist said:
    I'm curious how this affects various power grids.  I mean, in California (and I assume other states / cities) during various times of the year we're prone to brownouts, encouraged to use appliances during designated hours to conserve energy, keep the heat / AC at certain levels, etc.

    If someone with an electric car battery needs juice during an outage, are they shit out of luck?
    I would think so, unless they also own a fairly powerful gas driven (lol, oh the irony) generator.
    not if you have a house equipped with wind and  solar.  Actaully isn't crazy or unattainable to have totally off grid houses.  They are everywhere.

    Plus if you're worrying about blackouts or brownouts there are bigger issues.
    If I thought I were staying in one place long enough, I would get solar, but I never expect to be in one home for long enough to make it pay off.  What should be done is to set it up so that the cost of solar is attached to one's mortgage.  That way, if you move, the solar payments go to the new owner.  A lot more people would go solar if this were done.  Simple solution.  Why this isn't done is beyond me.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,485
    Gretas theme song:

    https://youtu.be/CY58qsLA-W8
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,485
    https://youtu.be/ABIbH-LtpFs
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    mcgruff10 said:
    oftenreading said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Only a fool takes pride in driving a car.
    Negative.  Driving a car or bike hard is so exhilarating.  Have you never tracked a car? Nothing like that adrenaline for me. 

    Do you mean bicycle or motor bike? If bicycle, I'll agree with that, but in that case it's your own effort and strength and expanding your limits that's exhilarating. Just pushing the gas peddle on a vehicle is boring. 
    I don't know about that.  Cruising around yesterday in the countryside listening to pj on sirius was pretty damn fun.  
    Yup.  I agree.  Just came back from Dad's...had Bob Seger cranked.  You can't do that on public transit...well you can if you have earbuds.
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Only a fool takes pride in driving a car.
    I have to agree. This car addiction in North America is a big problem. So many people are being ridiculously defensive and stubborn when it comes to this topic. Many still seem to think that having a car is some sort of badge of honour or "real" adulthood, and a LOT of people actually look down on those who choose to live car-free. It's quite sad.
    It's a necessity for millions of people,  the day to day logistics of my life could not be done without a vehicle.  
    I am not talking about necessity. That has nothing to do with the point me or S_C are making.
    I love cars.  I love driving them.  I love fixing them.  I love rebuilding them.  I love getting dirty underneath them.  I love racing them.  Am I a fool?  Just curious, because I don't feel stupid most of the time, but I love being judged, so fire away.  
    I get it, M.  I was a big car enthusiast when I was young and sort of still am in a way.  I loved my first car- a mid 60's Riley 1.5 with it's rosewood dash, leather seats and amber blinking turn-signal arm- and equally loved my '65 Chevy Malibu.  And  I have to admit that I really like my Prius.  It gets great gas mileage, it will last at least 300,000 miles.  With back seats that fold flat and a rear hatch, I can haul several boxes of books when I need to. 

    But times are changing.  We need to start finding other things to focus on.
    Well that is exactly where I'm coming from (and I wasn't calling you a fool mrussel1, but I do think it's somewhat foolish to cling to the fetishization of cars at this point in time). It is simply time for people to start adjusting, and to let go of the car thing to every extent possible where they live. Obviously that includes cars as a hobby. I know people are into them and are really defensive about this concept ... But life isn't always fair, and I think in this case, letting go of the North American car obsession is for the greater good. People are really going to have to start understanding that they are actually going to have to make sacrifices for the sake of the our environment and to change culture towards that end. That doesn't even have to include public transit, but FFS, this strong resistance to even alternative transportation for individuals, like e-cars and e-bikes, is starting to simply come of as selfish and irresponsible.
    I'm not resistant to alternatives at all.  The reality is cars will continue to be a hobby of some sort until well after I and most on here leave the earth.  Even if crude was outlawed, which isn't imminent, there will be alternatives to convert combustion engines and keep all the collectors happy.  Seeing how R12 converted to R134 refigerant is a perfect example of what will happen.  The market adapts and people with a hobby will continue on..  In no time in the future will I stop enjoying cars.  It's as part of me as music, turntables and Pearl Jam is for many of you. 
    Continue to enjoy cars and your hobby...there are millions of Canadians and Americans in which cars are their hobby.  My brother in law is the biggest car freak I know.  He spent 30 grand to rebuild a 71' Nova just to amateur drag race with...went through 2 after engines and then sold it...LOL...for around 6 grand after putting the 3rd motor in.  Mind you the 3rd was just a motor to get the car sold.  Since then he has only owned Honda Civics...LOL
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,485
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Only a fool takes pride in driving a car.
    I have to agree. This car addiction in North America is a big problem. So many people are being ridiculously defensive and stubborn when it comes to this topic. Many still seem to think that having a car is some sort of badge of honour or "real" adulthood, and a LOT of people actually look down on those who choose to live car-free. It's quite sad.
    It's a necessity for millions of people,  the day to day logistics of my life could not be done without a vehicle.  
    I am not talking about necessity. That has nothing to do with the point me or S_C are making.
    I love cars.  I love driving them.  I love fixing them.  I love rebuilding them.  I love getting dirty underneath them.  I love racing them.  Am I a fool?  Just curious, because I don't feel stupid most of the time, but I love being judged, so fire away.  
    I get it, M.  I was a big car enthusiast when I was young and sort of still am in a way.  I loved my first car- a mid 60's Riley 1.5 with it's rosewood dash, leather seats and amber blinking turn-signal arm- and equally loved my '65 Chevy Malibu.  And  I have to admit that I really like my Prius.  It gets great gas mileage, it will last at least 300,000 miles.  With back seats that fold flat and a rear hatch, I can haul several boxes of books when I need to. 

    But times are changing.  We need to start finding other things to focus on.
    Well that is exactly where I'm coming from (and I wasn't calling you a fool mrussel1, but I do think it's somewhat foolish to cling to the fetishization of cars at this point in time). It is simply time for people to start adjusting, and to let go of the car thing to every extent possible where they live. Obviously that includes cars as a hobby. I know people are into them and are really defensive about this concept ... But life isn't always fair, and I think in this case, letting go of the North American car obsession is for the greater good. People are really going to have to start understanding that they are actually going to have to make sacrifices for the sake of the our environment and to change culture towards that end. That doesn't even have to include public transit, but FFS, this strong resistance to even alternative transportation for individuals, like e-cars and e-bikes, is starting to simply come of as selfish and irresponsible.
    I'm not resistant to alternatives at all.  The reality is cars will continue to be a hobby of some sort until well after I and most on here leave the earth.  Even if crude was outlawed, which isn't imminent, there will be alternatives to convert combustion engines and keep all the collectors happy.  Seeing how R12 converted to R134 refigerant is a perfect example of what will happen.  The market adapts and people with a hobby will continue on..  In no time in the future will I stop enjoying cars.  It's as part of me as music, turntables and Pearl Jam is for many of you. 


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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Only a fool takes pride in driving a car.
    I have to agree. This car addiction in North America is a big problem. So many people are being ridiculously defensive and stubborn when it comes to this topic. Many still seem to think that having a car is some sort of badge of honour or "real" adulthood, and a LOT of people actually look down on those who choose to live car-free. It's quite sad.
    It's a necessity for millions of people,  the day to day logistics of my life could not be done without a vehicle.  
    I am not talking about necessity. That has nothing to do with the point me or S_C are making.
    I love cars.  I love driving them.  I love fixing them.  I love rebuilding them.  I love getting dirty underneath them.  I love racing them.  Am I a fool?  Just curious, because I don't feel stupid most of the time, but I love being judged, so fire away.  
    I get it, M.  I was a big car enthusiast when I was young and sort of still am in a way.  I loved my first car- a mid 60's Riley 1.5 with it's rosewood dash, leather seats and amber blinking turn-signal arm- and equally loved my '65 Chevy Malibu.  And  I have to admit that I really like my Prius.  It gets great gas mileage, it will last at least 300,000 miles.  With back seats that fold flat and a rear hatch, I can haul several boxes of books when I need to. 

    But times are changing.  We need to start finding other things to focus on.
    Well that is exactly where I'm coming from (and I wasn't calling you a fool mrussel1, but I do think it's somewhat foolish to cling to the fetishization of cars at this point in time). It is simply time for people to start adjusting, and to let go of the car thing to every extent possible where they live. Obviously that includes cars as a hobby. I know people are into them and are really defensive about this concept ... But life isn't always fair, and I think in this case, letting go of the North American car obsession is for the greater good. People are really going to have to start understanding that they are actually going to have to make sacrifices for the sake of the our environment and to change culture towards that end. That doesn't even have to include public transit, but FFS, this strong resistance to even alternative transportation for individuals, like e-cars and e-bikes, is starting to simply come of as selfish and irresponsible.
    I'm not resistant to alternatives at all.  The reality is cars will continue to be a hobby of some sort until well after I and most on here leave the earth.  Even if crude was outlawed, which isn't imminent, there will be alternatives to convert combustion engines and keep all the collectors happy.  Seeing how R12 converted to R134 refigerant is a perfect example of what will happen.  The market adapts and people with a hobby will continue on..  In no time in the future will I stop enjoying cars.  It's as part of me as music, turntables and Pearl Jam is for many of you. 


    http://www.lincvolt.com/
    Well there you go.  The market adapts. 
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,485
    edited October 2019
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Only a fool takes pride in driving a car.
    I have to agree. This car addiction in North America is a big problem. So many people are being ridiculously defensive and stubborn when it comes to this topic. Many still seem to think that having a car is some sort of badge of honour or "real" adulthood, and a LOT of people actually look down on those who choose to live car-free. It's quite sad.
    It's a necessity for millions of people,  the day to day logistics of my life could not be done without a vehicle.  
    I am not talking about necessity. That has nothing to do with the point me or S_C are making.
    I love cars.  I love driving them.  I love fixing them.  I love rebuilding them.  I love getting dirty underneath them.  I love racing them.  Am I a fool?  Just curious, because I don't feel stupid most of the time, but I love being judged, so fire away.  
    I get it, M.  I was a big car enthusiast when I was young and sort of still am in a way.  I loved my first car- a mid 60's Riley 1.5 with it's rosewood dash, leather seats and amber blinking turn-signal arm- and equally loved my '65 Chevy Malibu.  And  I have to admit that I really like my Prius.  It gets great gas mileage, it will last at least 300,000 miles.  With back seats that fold flat and a rear hatch, I can haul several boxes of books when I need to. 

    But times are changing.  We need to start finding other things to focus on.
    Well that is exactly where I'm coming from (and I wasn't calling you a fool mrussel1, but I do think it's somewhat foolish to cling to the fetishization of cars at this point in time). It is simply time for people to start adjusting, and to let go of the car thing to every extent possible where they live. Obviously that includes cars as a hobby. I know people are into them and are really defensive about this concept ... But life isn't always fair, and I think in this case, letting go of the North American car obsession is for the greater good. People are really going to have to start understanding that they are actually going to have to make sacrifices for the sake of the our environment and to change culture towards that end. That doesn't even have to include public transit, but FFS, this strong resistance to even alternative transportation for individuals, like e-cars and e-bikes, is starting to simply come of as selfish and irresponsible.
    I'm not resistant to alternatives at all.  The reality is cars will continue to be a hobby of some sort until well after I and most on here leave the earth.  Even if crude was outlawed, which isn't imminent, there will be alternatives to convert combustion engines and keep all the collectors happy.  Seeing how R12 converted to R134 refigerant is a perfect example of what will happen.  The market adapts and people with a hobby will continue on..  In no time in the future will I stop enjoying cars.  It's as part of me as music, turntables and Pearl Jam is for many of you. 


    http://www.lincvolt.com/
    Well there you go.  The market adapts. 
    Neil Young at the forefront again. 

    And people laughed at Trans.

    Well...

    https://youtu.be/GBWEhOe0B7M
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • drakeheuer14
    drakeheuer14 Posts: 4,623
    We can get rid of cars.

    As long as we keep motorcycles. 
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    Cincinnati 2014
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    drakeheuer14 said:
    We can get rid of cars.

    As long as we keep motorcycles. 
    You mean electric scooters?  Because 1000cc that rev to 14000 are taboo 
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    drakeheuer14 said:
    We can get rid of cars.

    As long as we keep motorcycles. 
    I used to think motorcycles were cool.  In high school, along side all my Hendrix and Fillmore West, Avalon Ballroom and Winterland posters and hand bills, I had a poster of Peter Fonda from Easy Rider on a bike and another of Steve McQueen from The Great Escape.

    Any more though, I mostly hate them.  Where I live, the majority of riders have reamed out the mufflers so they are loud as fuck.  I've had my ears dinged countless time- each time making my tinnitus worse.  They roar up main street setting off car alarms.  One bike went by so loudly once it literally busted out a window in one of the other shops in  town.  No fun.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    brianlux said:
    drakeheuer14 said:
    We can get rid of cars.

    As long as we keep motorcycles. 
    I used to think motorcycles were cool.  In high school, along side all my Hendrix and Fillmore West, Avalon Ballroom and Winterland posters and hand bills, I had a poster of Peter Fonda from Easy Rider on a bike and another of Steve McQueen from The Great Escape.

    Any more though, I mostly hate them.  Where I live, the majority of riders have reamed out the mufflers so they are loud as fuck.  I've had my ears dinged countless time- each time making my tinnitus worse.  They roar up main street setting off car alarms.  One bike went by so loudly once it literally busted out a window in one of the other shops in  town.  No fun.
    So I don't know how loud your talking, but there is a truism that "loud pipes save lives".  
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    edited October 2019
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    drakeheuer14 said:
    We can get rid of cars.

    As long as we keep motorcycles. 
    I used to think motorcycles were cool.  In high school, along side all my Hendrix and Fillmore West, Avalon Ballroom and Winterland posters and hand bills, I had a poster of Peter Fonda from Easy Rider on a bike and another of Steve McQueen from The Great Escape.

    Any more though, I mostly hate them.  Where I live, the majority of riders have reamed out the mufflers so they are loud as fuck.  I've had my ears dinged countless time- each time making my tinnitus worse.  They roar up main street setting off car alarms.  One bike went by so loudly once it literally busted out a window in one of the other shops in  town.  No fun.
    So I don't know how loud your talking, but there is a truism that "loud pipes save lives".  
    I'm talking about loud enough to be harmful to one's hearing.  That is not OK.  Damaging innocent bystanders' hearing is not OK.  And I say that not just I have damaged ears.  I know others with normal hearing who feel the same way.  Anyone with normal hearing can hear a motorcycle without it pipes reamed out.  The loudness at the level I'm talking about has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with "Look at me!"  In most case it's macho bullshit carried out by sexually insecure men.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,130
    Meltdown99 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    oftenreading said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Only a fool takes pride in driving a car.
    Negative.  Driving a car or bike hard is so exhilarating.  Have you never tracked a car? Nothing like that adrenaline for me. 

    Do you mean bicycle or motor bike? If bicycle, I'll agree with that, but in that case it's your own effort and strength and expanding your limits that's exhilarating. Just pushing the gas peddle on a vehicle is boring. 
    I don't know about that.  Cruising around yesterday in the countryside listening to pj on sirius was pretty damn fun.  
    Yup.  I agree.  Just came back from Dad's...had Bob Seger cranked.  You can't do that on public transit...well you can if you have earbuds.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xx_VIbgAwk
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    brianlux said:
    drakeheuer14 said:
    We can get rid of cars.

    As long as we keep motorcycles. 
    I used to think motorcycles were cool.  In high school, along side all my Hendrix and Fillmore West, Avalon Ballroom and Winterland posters and hand bills, I had a poster of Peter Fonda from Easy Rider on a bike and another of Steve McQueen from The Great Escape.

    Any more though, I mostly hate them.  Where I live, the majority of riders have reamed out the mufflers so they are loud as fuck.  I've had my ears dinged countless time- each time making my tinnitus worse.  They roar up main street setting off car alarms.  One bike went by so loudly once it literally busted out a window in one of the other shops in  town.  No fun.
    So I don't know how loud your talking, but there is a truism that "loud pipes save lives".  
    I'm talking about loud enough to be harmful to one's hearing.  That is not OK.  Damaging innocent bystanders' hearing is not OK.  And I say that not just I have damaged ears.  I know others with normal hearing who feel the same way.  Anyone with normal hearing can hear a motorcycle without it pipes reamed out.  The loudness at the level I'm talking about has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with "Look at me!"  In most case it's macho bullshit carried out by sexually insecure men.
    You must be talking hogs which are definitely not my thing.  I've heard what you're taking about and it's obnoxious.  I am a fan of high flow pipes which are louder, but stock super bikes are too quiet and a risk especially at night.  I would always down shift when I suspected someone was oblivious to my presence,  just ao they heard me  

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