Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg on cover of TIME

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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Sorry, but I don’t understand the need to keep rehashing this.

    Would you take it to PMs?  Please and thank you. 
  • i_lov_it
    i_lov_it Perth, Western Australia Posts: 4,007
    edited November 2019
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    brianlux said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Why do some of you not leave i_lov_it alone?  This person owes none of you any explanation for why or how they feel about a certain topic.  Jeesh.  
    because if you come to a thread to drop an incendiary comment like that and refuse to explain it, that's what we call: TROLLING. 
    Being the curious person that I am, I wish i_lov_it would have explained why he is not a fan of Greta Thunberg but the reactions to his initial comment sent the whole thing whirling into the AMT abyss and we will likely never know.  So my thought is, let's move on and see what Greta is up to.

    ...hold on...

    ...OK, here's what new:

    Apparently the Republican party has a teenage girl problem.  Here's what The Guardian has to say about that:



    look, if they are going to fly off the fucking handle by being mislabeled as something they say they aren't, then really, i don't think we were ever going to get a straight answer. i literally said "i made an observation based on the comment" and then "fine (and repeated my question). i think my assumption was perfectly justified, even if it turned out incorrect. and i've been called things a thousand times worse and still answered the question posed. they never intended on answering, looking back, in my opinion. and that's fine. live and learn not to engage with that type of person. 

    if they are so fucking petty as to follow me to an unrelated thread and troll me, like i said, live and learn. 
    Really dude???...you need to get off your high fucking hoarse and have something constructive to say...
  • i_lov_it
    i_lov_it Perth, Western Australia Posts: 4,007
    Don't ***Disagree*** with HFD otherwise you'll be called a troll haha
  • i_lov_it
    i_lov_it Perth, Western Australia Posts: 4,007
    edited November 2019
    Interesting if HFD says troll again?...place your bets lol
    Post edited by i_lov_it on
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    edited November 2019
    As UN climate talks switch from Chile to Spain, Greta Thunberg seeks a way to attend

    https://globalnews.ca/news/6116763/un-climate-talks-chile-spain-greta-thunberg/?utm_medium=Facebook&utm_source=GlobalNational&fbclid=IwAR2adv_Lw5Z7NnQw8Xh0aZxjLOAsI5yXQ8nFYB8T7HS1WW7BiigvNQ7sIlw

    LOL.  Why not.  Lets all hop aboard more planes hold another conference and tell the pions how to live.  I am going to enjoy life and the ride. Well, I will enjoy the final 12 years of earth or however any more years we got left,
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Meltdown99 said:
    As UN climate talks switch from Chile to Spain, Greta Thunberg seeks a way to attend

    https://globalnews.ca/news/6116763/un-climate-talks-chile-spain-greta-thunberg/?utm_medium=Facebook&utm_source=GlobalNational&fbclid=IwAR2adv_Lw5Z7NnQw8Xh0aZxjLOAsI5yXQ8nFYB8T7HS1WW7BiigvNQ7sIlw

    LOL.  Why not.  Lets all hop aboard more planes hold another conference and tell the pions how to live.  I am going to enjoy life and the ride. Well, I will enjoy the final 12 years of earth or however any more years we got left,
    Greta doesn't fly.  And I don't either, but not because of her.  I stopped flying before she was born.

    I can't think of any time Greta has told "pions"  (I assume you mean "peons" as in "one subjected to peonage")  how to live.  Perhaps you would provide some verifiable examples?

    Good for you for enjoying life.  Pretty much everyone I know wants to enjoy life (except for this one guy who flagellates himself and wears hair shirts and... but you probably don't wanna know the rest of that story so...).

    So you think the earth has only 12 or so more years left?  Man, it's gonna take on hell of a big asteroid to take out the entire freaking planet.  I hope to be around to watch that mother fucker!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    As UN climate talks switch from Chile to Spain, Greta Thunberg seeks a way to attend

    https://globalnews.ca/news/6116763/un-climate-talks-chile-spain-greta-thunberg/?utm_medium=Facebook&utm_source=GlobalNational&fbclid=IwAR2adv_Lw5Z7NnQw8Xh0aZxjLOAsI5yXQ8nFYB8T7HS1WW7BiigvNQ7sIlw

    LOL.  Why not.  Lets all hop aboard more planes hold another conference and tell the pions how to live.  I am going to enjoy life and the ride. Well, I will enjoy the final 12 years of earth or however any more years we got left,
    Greta doesn't fly.  And I don't either, but not because of her.  I stopped flying before she was born.

    I can't think of any time Greta has told "pions"  (I assume you mean "peons" as in "one subjected to peonage")  how to live.  Perhaps you would provide some verifiable examples?

    Good for you for enjoying life.  Pretty much everyone I know wants to enjoy life (except for this one guy who flagellates himself and wears hair shirts and... but you probably don't wanna know the rest of that story so...).

    So you think the earth has only 12 or so more years left?  Man, it's gonna take on hell of a big asteroid to take out the entire freaking planet.  I hope to be around to watch that mother fucker!
    I know she does not fly?  Most of all the other eco folks will.  Hey, I am not the one that has tossed aroung the 12 year the world is ending...that is coming from the eco folks.  I am just rolling with it.  I am waiting for the eco folks to lead by example...will not happen
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    i_lov_it said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    Why do some of you not leave i_lov_it alone?  This person owes none of you any explanation for why or how they feel about a certain topic.  Jeesh.  
    because if you come to a thread to drop an incendiary comment like that and refuse to explain it, that's what we call: TROLLING. 
    Thank you for the back up Meltdown99...clearly HFD likes calling people trolls if they disagree with him...and really HFD incendiary comments?...why would you say that?...have you read half your comments wtf? Haha
    No problem.  No one has to explain their position on any topic if they choose not to.  We did not need a ignore feature, we needed an option to disable the quote button.  


    Give Peas A Chance…
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    As UN climate talks switch from Chile to Spain, Greta Thunberg seeks a way to attend

    https://globalnews.ca/news/6116763/un-climate-talks-chile-spain-greta-thunberg/?utm_medium=Facebook&utm_source=GlobalNational&fbclid=IwAR2adv_Lw5Z7NnQw8Xh0aZxjLOAsI5yXQ8nFYB8T7HS1WW7BiigvNQ7sIlw

    LOL.  Why not.  Lets all hop aboard more planes hold another conference and tell the pions how to live.  I am going to enjoy life and the ride. Well, I will enjoy the final 12 years of earth or however any more years we got left,
    Greta doesn't fly.  And I don't either, but not because of her.  I stopped flying before she was born.

    I can't think of any time Greta has told "pions"  (I assume you mean "peons" as in "one subjected to peonage")  how to live.  Perhaps you would provide some verifiable examples?

    Good for you for enjoying life.  Pretty much everyone I know wants to enjoy life (except for this one guy who flagellates himself and wears hair shirts and... but you probably don't wanna know the rest of that story so...).

    So you think the earth has only 12 or so more years left?  Man, it's gonna take on hell of a big asteroid to take out the entire freaking planet.  I hope to be around to watch that mother fucker!
    I know she does not fly?  Most of all the other eco folks will.  Hey, I am not the one that has tossed aroung the 12 year the world is ending...that is coming from the eco folks.  I am just rolling with it.  I am waiting for the eco folks to lead by example...will not happen
    I don't know how to answer your question.

    Eco folks?  We jam econo!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,520
    hedonist said:
    Sorry, but I don’t understand the need to keep rehashing this.

    Would you take it to PMs?  Please and thank you. 
    just ignore it hedo. 
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,452
    Jack Ass.....


  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Bentleyspop said:
    Jack Ass.....


    Wouldn't want that angry man's karma.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    Starting next school year, Italian schoolchildren will learn about climate change and sustainability as part of their core curriculum, and other subjects will be viewed through this lens as well when appropriate (e.g., geology, history). 

    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,520
    brianlux said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Jack Ass.....


    Wouldn't want that angry man's karma.
    he's been banned from youtube and twitter as of yesterday or so. 
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,485
    Bentleyspop said:
    Jack Ass.....


    Could see some people on this forum posting something exactly like this.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,543
    edited November 2019
    brianlux said:
    pjl44 said:
    pearljammr78 said:
    I love Greta’s passion, ideals, message and the whole thing. She is a powerful voice for every generation, now and future. 

    But this brings me to ask about carbon footprints. What kinda impact do these rallies have? Thousands and thousands of people all traveling to a location. That’s a lot of planes, trains and automobiles. 

    I was thinking about this the other night after reading about PJ doing possible residencies. What is a bigger carbon impact. A band touring from city to city. Or a band doing a residencies where the fans have to travel from who knows where to the city of choice. Is there a good answer or is there no good that can come from touring. 

    Maybe I’m just an idiot. Looks like that’s the one. 

    Thread integrity. Greta rules!!!🤘🏽


    I think this is really the crux of the problem. There are plenty of people on board with finding a solution, but when you see things like this it makes you wonder how much the people at the forefront of the movement really believe it. 

    Based on everything I've looked into myself, the elephant in the room seems to be that we can't make much of a difference without a miracle. (Who convinces China and India to drastically cut emissions? Greta?) Bickering with people who still think it's a hoax and gluing one's self to a roadway is a waste of time. We either need new efficient fuel sources or to spend our resources adjusting for the changes.
    I wish there was some magic form of efficient fuels but the true of the matter is, there is nothing that will replace fossil fuels in terms of abundance and readily available energy.  James Howard Kunstler in hi book The Long Emergency and Richard Heinberg in his books Power Down, Peak Everything and The Party's Over clearly explain why things like solar power, corn fuels, turbine power, etc. will not replace fossil fuels.  I highly recommend those books.  The plain and simple fact is, there are too many human beings on this planet and what the earth has to provide for 7.7 billion people with a first world lifestyle is not possible.  It just isn't.  As it is, even with much of the world still living in poverty, humans use each year what the earth has to provide in the way of resources by the 7th month of the year (you can read about that here: https://www.overshootday.org/ ).

    But all that said, disparaging the efforts of young people who see the disaster that is their future world before them and who are calling attention to what is happening is, to my way of thinking, the highest form of aspersion.  These young people are pissed off and frightened by the looming and potentially lethal difficulties facing their not-to-distant future, and they have a goddamn good right to feel that way. My parents generation and my generation and the one after that have fucked up the planet and their future.  If they want to glue themselves to the road as a way of saying WAKE UP, good for them.  I will in no way way slander their cries of frustration. 

    You're absolutely right about the population and, I suspect, about fossil fuels. Someone smarter than me might be able to make a compelling case for nuclear, but that ain't me.

    I see zero indication that younger generations are going to make these drastic lifestyle changes, despite being more vocal. If the solution centers around elimination (or dramatic reduction) of air travel, cars, meat-eating, reproduction, etc., it ain't happening. Those who think it can need a come-to-Jesus moment. The best use of resources is toward adapting. 

    Last, being a public activist comes with criticism and occasional aspersions. If it's upsetting to see a kid subjected to that, think twice about putting kids in that position. 
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    pjl44 said:
    brianlux said:
    pjl44 said:
    pearljammr78 said:
    I love Greta’s passion, ideals, message and the whole thing. She is a powerful voice for every generation, now and future. 

    But this brings me to ask about carbon footprints. What kinda impact do these rallies have? Thousands and thousands of people all traveling to a location. That’s a lot of planes, trains and automobiles. 

    I was thinking about this the other night after reading about PJ doing possible residencies. What is a bigger carbon impact. A band touring from city to city. Or a band doing a residencies where the fans have to travel from who knows where to the city of choice. Is there a good answer or is there no good that can come from touring. 

    Maybe I’m just an idiot. Looks like that’s the one. 

    Thread integrity. Greta rules!!!🤘🏽


    I think this is really the crux of the problem. There are plenty of people on board with finding a solution, but when you see things like this it makes you wonder how much the people at the forefront of the movement really believe it. 

    Based on everything I've looked into myself, the elephant in the room seems to be that we can't make much of a difference without a miracle. (Who convinces China and India to drastically cut emissions? Greta?) Bickering with people who still think it's a hoax and gluing one's self to a roadway is a waste of time. We either need new efficient fuel sources or to spend our resources adjusting for the changes.
    I wish there was some magic form of efficient fuels but the true of the matter is, there is nothing that will replace fossil fuels in terms of abundance and readily available energy.  James Howard Kunstler in hi book The Long Emergency and Richard Heinberg in his books Power Down, Peak Everything and The Party's Over clearly explain why things like solar power, corn fuels, turbine power, etc. will not replace fossil fuels.  I highly recommend those books.  The plain and simple fact is, there are too many human beings on this planet and what the earth has to provide for 7.7 billion people with a first world lifestyle is not possible.  It just isn't.  As it is, even with much of the world still living in poverty, humans use each year what the earth has to provide in the way of resources by the 7th month of the year (you can read about that here: https://www.overshootday.org/ ).

    But all that said, disparaging the efforts of young people who see the disaster that is their future world before them and who are calling attention to what is happening is, to my way of thinking, the highest form of aspersion.  These young people are pissed off and frightened by the looming and potentially lethal difficulties facing their not-to-distant future, and they have a goddamn good right to feel that way. My parents generation and my generation and the one after that have fucked up the planet and their future.  If they want to glue themselves to the road as a way of saying WAKE UP, good for them.  I will in no way way slander their cries of frustration. 

    You're absolutely right about the population and, I suspect, about fossil fuels. Someone smarter than me might be able to make a compelling case for nuclear, but that ain't me.

    I see zero indication that younger generations are going to make these drastic lifestyle changes, despite being more vocal. If the solution centers around elimination (or dramatic reduction) of air travel, cars, meat-eating, reproduction, etc., it ain't happening. Those who think it can need a come-to-Jesus moment. The best use of resources is toward adapting. 

    Last, being a public activist comes with criticism and occasional aspersions. If it's upsetting to see a kid subjected to that, think twice about putting kids in that position. 
    Nuclear would be helpful if it were not for the potential of meltdown and the as-yet unsolved issue of what to do with the waste.

    "I see zero indication that younger generations are going to make these drastic lifestyle changes..."
    Yeah, that is definitely something they will have to come to grips with.  I don't believe the future will offer them an alternative to doing so.

    "being a public activist comes with criticism and occasional aspersions."
    It could be worse.  Public activist during the Vietnam war in the late 60's were often jailed and/or had their head bashed by clubs.  These kids will have to be thick skinned to deal with some of the criticism but hopefully won't need thick enough skulls to prevent concussions from  beatings.


    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    brianlux said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Jack Ass.....


    Wouldn't want that angry man's karma.
    he's been banned from youtube and twitter as of yesterday or so. 
    Rightly deserved! 
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,452
    Flat earthers
    9/11 was a govt plot
    Jews run the worlds financial systems
    And now this....

    120-year-old photo sparks Greta Thunberg conspiracy theories. https://nypost.com/2019/11/19/120-year-old-photo-sparks-greta-thunberg-conspiracy-theories/
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    She's a time traveler! Sent from the future to save us. I wonder why she went to the Yukon in 1898, though? To pick up a little gold to fund her travels?

    It is a cool picture. Remarkable resemblance. 
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08

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