Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg on cover of TIME

Jason P

Let's not discuss anything to do with Sweden for six months ... I used to like that place.

brianlux

Jason P said:

Let's not discuss anything to do with Sweden for six months ... I used to like that place.

Six months?   I don't think we've avoided any topic for six months here since we analyzed the socio-political influence of Uriah Heep lyrics on adolescent members of the Yanomani tribe in the Amazon.  And that cessation only lasted 5 months.

Bentleyspop

Chemtrail Truthers Are Coming After Greta Thunberg. https://www.thedailybeast.com/chemtrail-truthers-are-coming-after-greta-thunberg?source=us-news&via=rss

brianlux

Bentleyspop said:

Chemtrail Truthers Are Coming After Greta Thunberg. https://www.thedailybeast.com/chemtrail-truthers-are-coming-after-greta-thunberg?source=us-news&via=rss

By gar, me thinks they's on ta somethin'! 

They must have read Kurt Vonnegut's Slapstick.  If you've read the book, then you know what those chemtrails really are.  Yep, you got it.  Miniature Chinese.  Some may think that's funny.  Wait till they start breathing in those microscopic Chinese and the plague starts to spread and take people down.  KV saw all this coming clear back in the mid-seventies.  Absolutely brilliant!  But why the hell they want to blame all this on Greta is beyond me. 

Flat Earthers for flatter heads!

dankind

brianlux said:

Bentleyspop said:

Chemtrail Truthers Are Coming After Greta Thunberg. https://www.thedailybeast.com/chemtrail-truthers-are-coming-after-greta-thunberg?source=us-news&via=rss

By gar, me thinks they's on ta somethin'! 

They must have read Kurt Vonnegut's Slapstick.  If you've read the book, then you know what those chemtrails really are.  Yep, you got it.  Miniature Chinese.  Some may think that's funny.  Wait till they start breathing in those microscopic Chinese and the plague starts to spread and take people down.  KV saw all this coming clear back in the mid-seventies.  Absolutely brilliant!  But why the hell they want to blame all this on Greta is beyond me. 

Flat Earthers for flatter heads!

This world needs Vonnegut. 

I think about it, and Jesus, Slapstick is a stinker as far as Vonnegut's works go, but it's still better than most of the books that take up space on my shelves.

Hopefully, Pynchon has one more novel in him before we lose him, too.

brianlux

dankind said:

brianlux said:

Bentleyspop said:

Chemtrail Truthers Are Coming After Greta Thunberg. https://www.thedailybeast.com/chemtrail-truthers-are-coming-after-greta-thunberg?source=us-news&via=rss

By gar, me thinks they's on ta somethin'! 

They must have read Kurt Vonnegut's Slapstick.  If you've read the book, then you know what those chemtrails really are.  Yep, you got it.  Miniature Chinese.  Some may think that's funny.  Wait till they start breathing in those microscopic Chinese and the plague starts to spread and take people down.  KV saw all this coming clear back in the mid-seventies.  Absolutely brilliant!  But why the hell they want to blame all this on Greta is beyond me. 

Flat Earthers for flatter heads!

This world needs Vonnegut. 

I think about it, and Jesus, Slapstick is a stinker as far as Vonnegut's works go, but it's still better than most of the books that take up space on my shelves.

Hopefully, Pynchon has one more novel in him before we lose him, too.

Slapstick was never a favorite of mine either and yet some of it obviously stuck with me and got under my skin a bit.  I love that about Vonnegut.  Even at his worse, he always made a nice little dent or rearranged the synapses somewhere in my brain.

oftenreading

Whatever negative comments some have about her, you can't say that she doesn't walk the walk.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/greta-thunberg-nordic-prize-1.5340672

Teen climate activist Greta Thunberg, who has inspired protests around the world urging leaders to better tackle global warming, has declined an environmental prize, saying "the climate movement does not need any more prizes."

Two fellow climate activists spoke on Thunberg's behalf at an awards ceremony Tuesday in Stockholm for the regional interparliamentary Nordic Council's prizes. The two read a statement thanking the group for the honour.

Thunberg, 16, is currently in California.

But Sofia and Isabella Axelsson quoted Thunberg as saying "what we need is for our rulers and politicians to listen to the research."

The Nordic Council hands out annual prizes for literature, youth literature, film, music and the environment, each worth 350,000 Danish kroner ($68,000 Cdn).

It was not the first prize the climate activist has been nominated for or won.

Three Norwegian lawmakers nominated her for the Nobel Peace Prize this year because they believe "the massive movement Greta has set in motion is a very important peace contribution."

Last year, about three months into her school climate strike campaign, Thunberg declined another award — the Children's Climate Prize, which is awarded by a Swedish electricity company — because many of the finalists had to fly to Stockholm for the ceremony.

Thunberg notes that flights contribute to global warming, so she sailed across the Atlantic Ocean for two weeks on a zero-emissions sailboat to reach New York. There the Swede scolded a UN climate conference in September , repeatedly asking, "How dare you?"

"We are in the beginning of a mass extinction and yet all you can talk about is money. You are failing us," she said.

Weeks later, Thunberg won the 2019 Right Livelihood Award — known as the Alternative Nobel — "for inspiring and amplifying political demands for urgent climate action reflecting scientific facts."

In May 2019, she was featured on the cover of Time magazine, which named her a "next generation leader."

 

brianlux

oftenreading said:

Whatever negative comments some have about her, you can't say that she doesn't walk the walk.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/greta-thunberg-nordic-prize-1.5340672

Teen climate activist Greta Thunberg, who has inspired protests around the world urging leaders to better tackle global warming, has declined an environmental prize, saying "the climate movement does not need any more prizes."

Two fellow climate activists spoke on Thunberg's behalf at an awards ceremony Tuesday in Stockholm for the regional interparliamentary Nordic Council's prizes. The two read a statement thanking the group for the honour.

Thunberg, 16, is currently in California.

But Sofia and Isabella Axelsson quoted Thunberg as saying "what we need is for our rulers and politicians to listen to the research."

The Nordic Council hands out annual prizes for literature, youth literature, film, music and the environment, each worth 350,000 Danish kroner ($68,000 Cdn).

It was not the first prize the climate activist has been nominated for or won.

Three Norwegian lawmakers nominated her for the Nobel Peace Prize this year because they believe "the massive movement Greta has set in motion is a very important peace contribution."

Last year, about three months into her school climate strike campaign, Thunberg declined another award — the Children's Climate Prize, which is awarded by a Swedish electricity company — because many of the finalists had to fly to Stockholm for the ceremony.

Thunberg notes that flights contribute to global warming, so she sailed across the Atlantic Ocean for two weeks on a zero-emissions sailboat to reach New York. There the Swede scolded a UN climate conference in September , repeatedly asking, "How dare you?"

"We are in the beginning of a mass extinction and yet all you can talk about is money. You are failing us," she said.

Weeks later, Thunberg won the 2019 Right Livelihood Award — known as the Alternative Nobel — "for inspiring and amplifying political demands for urgent climate action reflecting scientific facts."

In May 2019, she was featured on the cover of Time magazine, which named her a "next generation leader."

 

Greta's the real deal. 

pjl44

oftenreading said:

Whatever negative comments some have about her, you can't say that she doesn't walk the walk.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/greta-thunberg-nordic-prize-1.5340672

Teen climate activist Greta Thunberg, who has inspired protests around the world urging leaders to better tackle global warming, has declined an environmental prize, saying "the climate movement does not need any more prizes."

Two fellow climate activists spoke on Thunberg's behalf at an awards ceremony Tuesday in Stockholm for the regional interparliamentary Nordic Council's prizes. The two read a statement thanking the group for the honour.

Thunberg, 16, is currently in California.

But Sofia and Isabella Axelsson quoted Thunberg as saying "what we need is for our rulers and politicians to listen to the research."

The Nordic Council hands out annual prizes for literature, youth literature, film, music and the environment, each worth 350,000 Danish kroner ($68,000 Cdn).

It was not the first prize the climate activist has been nominated for or won.

Three Norwegian lawmakers nominated her for the Nobel Peace Prize this year because they believe "the massive movement Greta has set in motion is a very important peace contribution."

Last year, about three months into her school climate strike campaign, Thunberg declined another award — the Children's Climate Prize, which is awarded by a Swedish electricity company — because many of the finalists had to fly to Stockholm for the ceremony.

Thunberg notes that flights contribute to global warming, so she sailed across the Atlantic Ocean for two weeks on a zero-emissions sailboat to reach New York. There the Swede scolded a UN climate conference in September , repeatedly asking, "How dare you?"

"We are in the beginning of a mass extinction and yet all you can talk about is money. You are failing us," she said.

Weeks later, Thunberg won the 2019 Right Livelihood Award — known as the Alternative Nobel — "for inspiring and amplifying political demands for urgent climate action reflecting scientific facts."

In May 2019, she was featured on the cover of Time magazine, which named her a "next generation leader."

 

lol

Sailing team to fly 2 crew to US to bring Thunberg boat back

https://apnews.com/be12be49011743daaa3646edb0de0b61

oftenreading

pjl44 said:

oftenreading said:

Whatever negative comments some have about her, you can't say that she doesn't walk the walk.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/greta-thunberg-nordic-prize-1.5340672

Teen climate activist Greta Thunberg, who has inspired protests around the world urging leaders to better tackle global warming, has declined an environmental prize, saying "the climate movement does not need any more prizes."

Two fellow climate activists spoke on Thunberg's behalf at an awards ceremony Tuesday in Stockholm for the regional interparliamentary Nordic Council's prizes. The two read a statement thanking the group for the honour.

Thunberg, 16, is currently in California.

But Sofia and Isabella Axelsson quoted Thunberg as saying "what we need is for our rulers and politicians to listen to the research."

The Nordic Council hands out annual prizes for literature, youth literature, film, music and the environment, each worth 350,000 Danish kroner ($68,000 Cdn).

It was not the first prize the climate activist has been nominated for or won.

Three Norwegian lawmakers nominated her for the Nobel Peace Prize this year because they believe "the massive movement Greta has set in motion is a very important peace contribution."

Last year, about three months into her school climate strike campaign, Thunberg declined another award — the Children's Climate Prize, which is awarded by a Swedish electricity company — because many of the finalists had to fly to Stockholm for the ceremony.

Thunberg notes that flights contribute to global warming, so she sailed across the Atlantic Ocean for two weeks on a zero-emissions sailboat to reach New York. There the Swede scolded a UN climate conference in September , repeatedly asking, "How dare you?"

"We are in the beginning of a mass extinction and yet all you can talk about is money. You are failing us," she said.

Weeks later, Thunberg won the 2019 Right Livelihood Award — known as the Alternative Nobel — "for inspiring and amplifying political demands for urgent climate action reflecting scientific facts."

In May 2019, she was featured on the cover of Time magazine, which named her a "next generation leader."

 

lol

Sailing team to fly 2 crew to US to bring Thunberg boat back

https://apnews.com/be12be49011743daaa3646edb0de0b61

I think she’s doing her best within what she has control over. I didn’t get consulted on who crewed the plane the last time I flew, or who drove the last bus I got on. 

pjl44

oftenreading said:

pjl44 said:

oftenreading said:

Whatever negative comments some have about her, you can't say that she doesn't walk the walk.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/greta-thunberg-nordic-prize-1.5340672

Teen climate activist Greta Thunberg, who has inspired protests around the world urging leaders to better tackle global warming, has declined an environmental prize, saying "the climate movement does not need any more prizes."

Two fellow climate activists spoke on Thunberg's behalf at an awards ceremony Tuesday in Stockholm for the regional interparliamentary Nordic Council's prizes. The two read a statement thanking the group for the honour.

Thunberg, 16, is currently in California.

But Sofia and Isabella Axelsson quoted Thunberg as saying "what we need is for our rulers and politicians to listen to the research."

The Nordic Council hands out annual prizes for literature, youth literature, film, music and the environment, each worth 350,000 Danish kroner ($68,000 Cdn).

It was not the first prize the climate activist has been nominated for or won.

Three Norwegian lawmakers nominated her for the Nobel Peace Prize this year because they believe "the massive movement Greta has set in motion is a very important peace contribution."

Last year, about three months into her school climate strike campaign, Thunberg declined another award — the Children's Climate Prize, which is awarded by a Swedish electricity company — because many of the finalists had to fly to Stockholm for the ceremony.

Thunberg notes that flights contribute to global warming, so she sailed across the Atlantic Ocean for two weeks on a zero-emissions sailboat to reach New York. There the Swede scolded a UN climate conference in September , repeatedly asking, "How dare you?"

"We are in the beginning of a mass extinction and yet all you can talk about is money. You are failing us," she said.

Weeks later, Thunberg won the 2019 Right Livelihood Award — known as the Alternative Nobel — "for inspiring and amplifying political demands for urgent climate action reflecting scientific facts."

In May 2019, she was featured on the cover of Time magazine, which named her a "next generation leader."

 

lol

Sailing team to fly 2 crew to US to bring Thunberg boat back

https://apnews.com/be12be49011743daaa3646edb0de0b61

I think she’s doing her best within what she has control over. I didn’t get consulted on who crewed the plane the last time I flew, or who drove the last bus I got on. 

Have none of these people heard of teleconferences?

Meltdown99

pjl44 said:

oftenreading said:

pjl44 said:

oftenreading said:

Whatever negative comments some have about her, you can't say that she doesn't walk the walk.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/greta-thunberg-nordic-prize-1.5340672

Teen climate activist Greta Thunberg, who has inspired protests around the world urging leaders to better tackle global warming, has declined an environmental prize, saying "the climate movement does not need any more prizes."

Two fellow climate activists spoke on Thunberg's behalf at an awards ceremony Tuesday in Stockholm for the regional interparliamentary Nordic Council's prizes. The two read a statement thanking the group for the honour.

Thunberg, 16, is currently in California.

But Sofia and Isabella Axelsson quoted Thunberg as saying "what we need is for our rulers and politicians to listen to the research."

The Nordic Council hands out annual prizes for literature, youth literature, film, music and the environment, each worth 350,000 Danish kroner ($68,000 Cdn).

It was not the first prize the climate activist has been nominated for or won.

Three Norwegian lawmakers nominated her for the Nobel Peace Prize this year because they believe "the massive movement Greta has set in motion is a very important peace contribution."

Last year, about three months into her school climate strike campaign, Thunberg declined another award — the Children's Climate Prize, which is awarded by a Swedish electricity company — because many of the finalists had to fly to Stockholm for the ceremony.

Thunberg notes that flights contribute to global warming, so she sailed across the Atlantic Ocean for two weeks on a zero-emissions sailboat to reach New York. There the Swede scolded a UN climate conference in September , repeatedly asking, "How dare you?"

"We are in the beginning of a mass extinction and yet all you can talk about is money. You are failing us," she said.

Weeks later, Thunberg won the 2019 Right Livelihood Award — known as the Alternative Nobel — "for inspiring and amplifying political demands for urgent climate action reflecting scientific facts."

In May 2019, she was featured on the cover of Time magazine, which named her a "next generation leader."

 

lol

Sailing team to fly 2 crew to US to bring Thunberg boat back

https://apnews.com/be12be49011743daaa3646edb0de0b61

I think she’s doing her best within what she has control over. I didn’t get consulted on who crewed the plane the last time I flew, or who drove the last bus I got on. 

Have none of these people heard of teleconferences?

Why teleconference when the Eco folks can get on airplanes and attend another climate conference, tell the rest of us how to live while most of them do nothing...oh I forgot you can pay a carbon tax or carbon offsets credits that makes those folks feel like they are sacrificing.  I give up listening to most of them.  But at least Greta walks the walk the best she can...unlike lowlife politicians who see climate change as a way to tax people while doing nothing.

brianlux

pjl44 said:

oftenreading said:

Whatever negative comments some have about her, you can't say that she doesn't walk the walk.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/greta-thunberg-nordic-prize-1.5340672

Teen climate activist Greta Thunberg, who has inspired protests around the world urging leaders to better tackle global warming, has declined an environmental prize, saying "the climate movement does not need any more prizes."

Two fellow climate activists spoke on Thunberg's behalf at an awards ceremony Tuesday in Stockholm for the regional interparliamentary Nordic Council's prizes. The two read a statement thanking the group for the honour.

Thunberg, 16, is currently in California.

But Sofia and Isabella Axelsson quoted Thunberg as saying "what we need is for our rulers and politicians to listen to the research."

The Nordic Council hands out annual prizes for literature, youth literature, film, music and the environment, each worth 350,000 Danish kroner ($68,000 Cdn).

It was not the first prize the climate activist has been nominated for or won.

Three Norwegian lawmakers nominated her for the Nobel Peace Prize this year because they believe "the massive movement Greta has set in motion is a very important peace contribution."

Last year, about three months into her school climate strike campaign, Thunberg declined another award — the Children's Climate Prize, which is awarded by a Swedish electricity company — because many of the finalists had to fly to Stockholm for the ceremony.

Thunberg notes that flights contribute to global warming, so she sailed across the Atlantic Ocean for two weeks on a zero-emissions sailboat to reach New York. There the Swede scolded a UN climate conference in September , repeatedly asking, "How dare you?"

"We are in the beginning of a mass extinction and yet all you can talk about is money. You are failing us," she said.

Weeks later, Thunberg won the 2019 Right Livelihood Award — known as the Alternative Nobel — "for inspiring and amplifying political demands for urgent climate action reflecting scientific facts."

In May 2019, she was featured on the cover of Time magazine, which named her a "next generation leader."

 

lol

Sailing team to fly 2 crew to US to bring Thunberg boat back

https://apnews.com/be12be49011743daaa3646edb0de0b61

Some irony here, to be sure, but was that Greta's idea?  No, of course not.

pearljammr78

I love Greta’s passion, ideals, message and the whole thing. She is a powerful voice for every generation, now and future. 

But this brings me to ask about carbon footprints. What kinda impact do these rallies have? Thousands and thousands of people all traveling to a location. That’s a lot of planes, trains and automobiles. 

I was thinking about this the other night after reading about PJ doing possible residencies. What is a bigger carbon impact. A band touring from city to city. Or a band doing a residencies where the fans have to travel from who knows where to the city of choice. Is there a good answer or is there no good that can come from touring. 

Maybe I’m just an idiot. Looks like that’s the one. 

Thread integrity. Greta rules!!!🤘🏽

brianlux

pearljammr78 said:

I love Greta’s passion, ideals, message and the whole thing. She is a powerful voice for every generation, now and future. 

But this brings me to ask about carbon footprints. What kinda impact do these rallies have? Thousands and thousands of people all traveling to a location. That’s a lot of planes, trains and automobiles. 

I was thinking about this the other night after reading about PJ doing possible residencies. What is a bigger carbon impact. A band touring from city to city. Or a band doing a residencies where the fans have to travel from who knows where to the city of choice. Is there a good answer or is there no good that can come from touring. 

Maybe I’m just an idiot. Looks like that’s the one. 

Thread integrity. Greta rules!!!🤘🏽

Great points, pj78, and excellent, difficult questions.   

On the one hand, I very much agree that big rallies can leave a major footprint if people are driving from a distance to attend them.  I don't know, but I'm guessing that because they take place in large cities that many of those in attendance have taken mass transit.   I hope somehow a question like yours filters out to organizers of such rallies and that they will take measures to encourage people to take public transit and do what ever they can to reduce environmental impact.  I do think the rallies themselves do a lot to promote awareness- and how sad that awareness about such an issue is not universal (although I would think by now it would be).

Wow- the touring question.  That's a tough one.  Pearl Jam has made attempts at offsetting carbon for tours by planting trees but I have to wonder how much of an offset they really achieve?  Do they take into account their own carbon footprint AND the amount of carbon released by the travel done by fans?  Again, I hope a question like yours filters back to the band and their management and that they would take a serious look at such a question.

Another issue question came to mind today regarding my own participation in excess carbon output.  I recently caved in to the temptation to buy the vinyl LP/single set, Colorado, by Neil Young and Crazy Horse.  I've been a Neil Young fan from practically day one-  or at least back to April, 1967 when I held the main spot light on the man at a Buffalo Springfield show at my high school.  I could probably come up with a lot of justification for buying this album, talk about how analog versions are easier on my nerve damaged ears, etc., but the truth is, both Mr. Young and myself have contributed in excess carbon output this time around.  The album is pressed on three sides of two vinyl platters AND includes a 7" single.  So why not just a double album and no single?  And this coming from a man who repeated talks about how we are screwing up the environment (yes, Neil, we are.)

I'm not going to burn that album or wear a hair shirt for a week and stick needles in my eyes for being such a sinner, but these are the kind of choices I need to start considering more and more as we move into the post carbon-neutral time line.  The going is only going to get more rough.  I need to work harder to lessen my own impact.  My just saying,  "Well, at least I didn't have kids," is probably not enough anymore. 

pjl44

pearljammr78 said:

I love Greta’s passion, ideals, message and the whole thing. She is a powerful voice for every generation, now and future. 

But this brings me to ask about carbon footprints. What kinda impact do these rallies have? Thousands and thousands of people all traveling to a location. That’s a lot of planes, trains and automobiles. 

I was thinking about this the other night after reading about PJ doing possible residencies. What is a bigger carbon impact. A band touring from city to city. Or a band doing a residencies where the fans have to travel from who knows where to the city of choice. Is there a good answer or is there no good that can come from touring. 

Maybe I’m just an idiot. Looks like that’s the one. 

Thread integrity. Greta rules!!!🤘🏽

I think this is really the crux of the problem. There are plenty of people on board with finding a solution, but when you see things like this it makes you wonder how much the people at the forefront of the movement really believe it. 

Based on everything I've looked into myself, the elephant in the room seems to be that we can't make much of a difference without a miracle. (Who convinces China and India to drastically cut emissions? Greta?) Bickering with people who still think it's a hoax and gluing one's self to a roadway is a waste of time. We either need new efficient fuel sources or to spend our resources adjusting for the changes.

brianlux

pjl44 said:

pearljammr78 said:

I love Greta’s passion, ideals, message and the whole thing. She is a powerful voice for every generation, now and future. 

But this brings me to ask about carbon footprints. What kinda impact do these rallies have? Thousands and thousands of people all traveling to a location. That’s a lot of planes, trains and automobiles. 

I was thinking about this the other night after reading about PJ doing possible residencies. What is a bigger carbon impact. A band touring from city to city. Or a band doing a residencies where the fans have to travel from who knows where to the city of choice. Is there a good answer or is there no good that can come from touring. 

Maybe I’m just an idiot. Looks like that’s the one. 

Thread integrity. Greta rules!!!🤘🏽

I think this is really the crux of the problem. There are plenty of people on board with finding a solution, but when you see things like this it makes you wonder how much the people at the forefront of the movement really believe it. 

Based on everything I've looked into myself, the elephant in the room seems to be that we can't make much of a difference without a miracle. (Who convinces China and India to drastically cut emissions? Greta?) Bickering with people who still think it's a hoax and gluing one's self to a roadway is a waste of time. We either need new efficient fuel sources or to spend our resources adjusting for the changes.

I wish there was some magic form of efficient fuels but the true of the matter is, there is nothing that will replace fossil fuels in terms of abundance and readily available energy.  James Howard Kunstler in hi book The Long Emergency and Richard Heinberg in his books Power Down, Peak Everything and The Party's Over clearly explain why things like solar power, corn fuels, turbine power, etc. will not replace fossil fuels.  I highly recommend those books.  The plain and simple fact is, there are too many human beings on this planet and what the earth has to provide for 7.7 billion people with a first world lifestyle is not possible.  It just isn't.  As it is, even with much of the world still living in poverty, humans use each year what the earth has to provide in the way of resources by the 7th month of the year (you can read about that here: https://www.overshootday.org/ ).

But all that said, disparaging the efforts of young people who see the disaster that is their future world before them and who are calling attention to what is happening is, to my way of thinking, the highest form of aspersion.  These young people are pissed off and frightened by the looming and potentially lethal difficulties facing their not-to-distant future, and they have a goddamn good right to feel that way. My parents generation and my generation and the one after that have fucked up the planet and their future.  If they want to glue themselves to the road as a way of saying WAKE UP, good for them.  I will in no way way slander their cries of frustration. 

i_lov_it

HughFreakingDillon said:

there it is. in the trump thread. 

So in your mind someone who disagrees with your opinion is a troll...are you for real dude?

i_lov_it

HughFreakingDillon said:

Meltdown99 said:

Why do some of you not leave i_lov_it alone?  This person owes none of you any explanation for why or how they feel about a certain topic.  Jeesh.  

because if you come to a thread to drop an incendiary comment like that and refuse to explain it, that's what we call: TROLLING. 

Thank you for the back up Meltdown99...clearly HFD likes calling people trolls if they disagree with him...and really HFD incendiary comments?...why would you say that?...have you read half your comments wtf? Haha

i_lov_it

Learn to think HFD when commenting on here....