That round room some are wandering around in looking for a corner to piss in? That’s the echo chamber.
Yup, bunch of retards in the echo chamber. I agree. Oh wait....can’t say retards. Bunch of divorced dads. Yup that’s better
No, you can. It’s over-sensitive libs that are offended by that. They, unlike you, are the PC police.
Back to the topic at hand...Michelle Obama is disgusting and I hope this haunts her forever. Anything short of that coming from all these lefties was going to leave you this salty.
Not true. I respect Michelle a lot. Found this to be out of character.
But nice work making this about the poster poster rather than the statement by a former First Lady. Par for the course. You’ve earned your AMT badge.
There seems to be an expectation of outrage. And frankly, I just don’t think it warranted any. Since you don’t like to make it about the poster, I assume you won’t be calling me a hypocrite
You know I knew the “outrage” thing would be overplayed here...which is why I tried to address it in my first post. Do we need to only post stuff we are outraged about?
And you trying to tel me what I was doing and what I wanted from this thread is a fucking joke. Tried to be nicer about it but screw that. Your post was just wrong and dumb.
remember when trump made that joke to megan kelly about blood coming out of her wherever because she was asking him tough questions? and everyone on the left got all pissy about it? but it was just a joke, about a well established stereotype, so what was all the fuss about then?
it's really strange how the only people "outraged" by anything is the fact that anyone wants to talk about it.
You're comparing Trump making fun of a woman's natural bodily function and Michele criticising a dad who chooses to be a poor role model and parental figure? Again, not even the same fucking ballpark.
he used a stereotype to label any strong woman with a well thought out opinion as on her period.
she used a stereotype to label any divorced single dad as an negligent asshole.
but yeah, of course, it's never "in the same fucking ballpark". it never is.
Not “any” divorced dad but rather a divorced dad that acted a certain way. She didn’t say “all” or “dads.” The inability of some to understand nuance and context in the 21st century. Hilarious, in a thread about a post about someone asked to comment on Team Trump Treason’s Administration and the whine, with ice, about, “does everything have to be about Team Trump Treason?” You cant write better humor.
Nancy - read some more. You had another post where’s you misquoted me using “they” not reading..., not what I said. I said “they” meaning the author agree with Michelle. And some people clearly didn’t read as they apparently assumed the article was outrage about Michelle.
Not sure how you want me to respond to that.
You had said that they didn't even read the article , surprise surprise.
I began my response using 'they' because you were referring to people who were posting and I was one of the 'theys'. I read the article, the whole thing. And I have read every post in the thread, sometimes more than once if I'm not sure of the person's intent.
My first response was that civilians had to be more PC than the President and your response was why do you have to make this about Trump.
The entire article was about Trump and the PC atmosphere was the first thing that Trump attacked when he began his run for President so I thought that was important.
But nevermind, you never try to engage with me in a mutually respected way. No matter what the first or second post was, they were not attacks at you. And anything else I write you ignore. You don't have to respond to me, of course, but please don't say that no one is discussing the article in a civil way. That is not true. You, of course, can disagree.
Again, I have tried Cincy. It is obvious to me that you have no interest in having a conversation with me. Cool, I can stop wasting both of our time, especially mine. And I haven't attacked you at all in this post (which you may or may not read). You say you don't like that, but that is what you keep responding to and I don't enjoy being intentionally mean so this has become pointless for me.
It's probably driven by a poor stereotype she has, perhaps from anecdotal experience (i.e., childhood friend with poor relationships with their divorced fathers). I don't think she had any intent to make a nasty sweeping generalization about divorced dads and any assertion of otherwise is clearly looking to be offended (perhaps this is a good opportunity for a "both-sidsing").
I won't give her an "A" grade. It was clumsy and a poor example. I'm not fond of getting into the weeds on the concept of divorced dads,as has been done here, to either defend it or criticize it...it wasn't worthy of the scrutiny.
It is symbolic of the sheer amount of "news" we are privy to today. Stuff like this would not have been scrutinized even 25 years ago. Now "news" channels and websites are looking for clicks. And people are ultra-sensitive...on both sides...all sides.
This is nothing. I don't even think it warrants an apology; that would seem awkward. If she gets pressed on it, then I think she could apologize or acknowledge it was not well-thought-out.
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Nancy - read some more. You had another post where’s you misquoted me using “they” not reading..., not what I said. I said “they” meaning the author agree with Michelle. And some people clearly didn’t read as they apparently assumed the article was outrage about Michelle.
Not sure how you want me to respond to that.
You had said that they didn't even read the article , surprise surprise.
I began my response using 'they' because you were referring to people who were posting and I was one of the 'theys'. I read the article, the whole thing. And I have read every post in the thread, sometimes more than once if I'm not sure of the person's intent.
My first response was that civilians had to be more PC than the President and your response was why do you have to make this about Trump.
The entire article was about Trump and the PC atmosphere was the first thing that Trump attacked when he began his run for President so I thought that was important.
But nevermind, you never try to engage with me in a mutually respected way. No matter what the first or second post was, they were not attacks at you. And anything else I write you ignore. You don't have to respond to me, of course, but please don't say that no one is discussing the article in a civil way. That is not true. You, of course, can disagree.
Again, I have tried Cincy. It is obvious to me that you have no interest in having a conversation with me. Cool, I can stop wasting both of our time, especially mine. And I haven't attacked you at all in this post (which you may or may not read). You say you don't like that, but that is what you keep responding to and I don't enjoy being intentionally mean so this has become pointless for me.
Ok. Whatever works for you. I was going back and trying to read. You are still misunderstand that post but I don’t think we will understand each other over text. I was trying to find a post of yours that I hadn’t responded to that I had a response for....I guess you aren’t giving the time to do that. You could repost it.
remember when trump made that joke to megan kelly about blood coming out of her wherever because she was asking him tough questions? and everyone on the left got all pissy about it? but it was just a joke, about a well established stereotype, so what was all the fuss about then?
it's really strange how the only people "outraged" by anything is the fact that anyone wants to talk about it.
You're comparing Trump making fun of a woman's natural bodily function and Michele criticising a dad who chooses to be a poor role model and parental figure? Again, not even the same fucking ballpark.
he used a stereotype to label any strong woman with a well thought out opinion as on her period.
she used a stereotype to label any divorced single dad as an negligent asshole.
but yeah, of course, it's never "in the same fucking ballpark". it never is.
Not “any” divorced dad but rather a divorced dad that acted a certain way. She didn’t say “all” or “dads.” The inability of some to understand nuance and context in the 21st century. Hilarious, in a thread about a post about someone asked to comment on Team Trump Treason’s Administration and the whine, with ice, about, “does everything have to be about Team Trump Treason?” You cant write better humor.
actually, you can. the people who bitch and moan about whataboutisms seem to be the ones using it the most.
i understand nuance. i also understand the desperation of some and the depths they will go to defend 'their team' when no one was attacking them in the first place. it's a conversation about a comment someone said and you all are getting all bill maher about it. that's what i find hilarious.
That round room some are wandering around in looking for a corner to piss in? That’s the echo chamber.
Yup, bunch of retards in the echo chamber. I agree. Oh wait....can’t say retards. Bunch of divorced dads. Yup that’s better
No, you can. It’s over-sensitive libs that are offended by that. They, unlike you, are the PC police.
Back to the topic at hand...Michelle Obama is disgusting and I hope this haunts her forever. Anything short of that coming from all these lefties was going to leave you this salty.
Not true. I respect Michelle a lot. Found this to be out of character.
But nice work making this about the poster poster rather than the statement by a former First Lady. Par for the course. You’ve earned your AMT badge.
There seems to be an expectation of outrage. And frankly, I just don’t think it warranted any. Since you don’t like to make it about the poster, I assume you won’t be calling me a hypocrite
You know I knew the “outrage” thing would be overplayed here...which is why I tried to address it in my first post. Do we need to only post stuff we are outraged about?
And you trying to tel me what I was doing and what I wanted from this thread is a fucking joke. Tried to be nicer about it but screw that. Your post was just wrong and dumb.
Meh. That was probably my worst attack post yet...I'll go toe to toe with anyone on personal-attack history. Hell, I think you just took the loss in the "personal attack" score on this string of posts.
I didn't have a problem with your first post. But as this disintegrated into left/right head-butting, that's when we became hypocrites for not being upset about this.
I can’t wait to see this place erupt over the next comments from someone. It’ll be so comical.
Look, I've never been on a message board where I've been outnumbered like 10-1 in terms of politics. So I get why the echo chamber can be frustrating. But I calls it like I sees it...as the thread devolved, it became a litmus test for "consistency" and if you could not criticize Michelle, you were a hypocrite. Tried to be a bigger jerk, but screw that. It's just not my personality.
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That round room some are wandering around in looking for a corner to piss in? That’s the echo chamber.
Yup, bunch of retards in the echo chamber. I agree. Oh wait....can’t say retards. Bunch of divorced dads. Yup that’s better
You have a problem with numbers or counting? Or both?
Oh now you are trying to be cute with your snide bullshit remarks. Turning over a new leaf.
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Honestly Nancy your first post was “trump is worse”. Your second defended that post. After that and all the other posts coming at me...I may have missed your other ones
Honestly Cincy, I don't know why I try to offer a chance to have a real conversation. I spend time thinking about a response and you just dismiss me. Sorry you missed everything except what you found to be offensive. I tried.
i went back and read your posts in this thread. as he stated, your first post was referencing trump and how he is worse. your only other post directly responding to cincy was something you misinterpreted, and sometimes people miss posts directed at them.
i'm not sure where all of this aggression towards cincy is coming from. it's really weird.
Thank you for your interpretation of my posts. It is incorrect and I am not being aggressive towards Cincy. I don't understand why you picked the comment that you picked, perhaps because it makes me seem like I'm being mean to Cincy, but you can interpret my words and intentions however you want. If you and Cincy did not find my first posts important that does not mean they were not valid. Disagreeing does not equal aggression.
I don't enjoy when threads turn into this kind of crap and I don't appreciate you trying to reprimand me. I have no quarrel with you but please don't selectively pick my posts apart or tell me that my opinion was incorrect.
You are of course entitled to your opinion of whatever and whoever you wish. I don't wish to be mean to anyone on here or be misinterpreted as attacking someone if I disagree. I have been told on numerous occasions that I am too sensitive and take things too personally. That is true sometimes. Today I know that I have not had any mean intentions and my only disappointment is that civil debate is obviously something that no one is interested in. If it were, you would have seen that I tried to discuss the article instead of posting what you did.
That round room some are wandering around in looking for a corner to piss in? That’s the echo chamber.
Yup, bunch of retards in the echo chamber. I agree. Oh wait....can’t say retards. Bunch of divorced dads. Yup that’s better
No, you can. It’s over-sensitive libs that are offended by that. They, unlike you, are the PC police.
Back to the topic at hand...Michelle Obama is disgusting and I hope this haunts her forever. Anything short of that coming from all these lefties was going to leave you this salty.
Not true. I respect Michelle a lot. Found this to be out of character.
But nice work making this about the poster poster rather than the statement by a former First Lady. Par for the course. You’ve earned your AMT badge.
There seems to be an expectation of outrage. And frankly, I just don’t think it warranted any. Since you don’t like to make it about the poster, I assume you won’t be calling me a hypocrite
You know I knew the “outrage” thing would be overplayed here...which is why I tried to address it in my first post. Do we need to only post stuff we are outraged about?
And you trying to tel me what I was doing and what I wanted from this thread is a fucking joke. Tried to be nicer about it but screw that. Your post was just wrong and dumb.
Meh. That was probably my worst attack post yet...I'll go toe to toe with anyone on personal-attack history. Hell, I think you just took the loss in the "personal attack" score on this string of posts.
I didn't have a problem with your first post. But as this disintegrated into left/right head-butting, that's when we became hypocrites for not being upset about this.
I can’t wait to see this place erupt over the next comments from someone. It’ll be so comical.
Look, I've never been on a message board where I've been outnumbered like 10-1 in terms of politics. So I get why the echo chamber can be frustrating. But I calls it like I sees it...as the thread devolved, it became a litmus test for "consistency" and if you could not criticize Michelle, you were a hypocrite. Tried to be a bigger jerk, but screw that. It's just not my personality.
I just didn’t expect so many to disregard completely. And to take it to trump right away. And I guarantee you there are a significant number of people here that will be jumping all over someone for this type of comment in the near future. Michelle has earned a level of respect to not get upset about her comments, but disappointed. I didn’t expect complete disregard for that point of view.
That round room some are wandering around in looking for a corner to piss in? That’s the echo chamber.
Yup, bunch of retards in the echo chamber. I agree. Oh wait....can’t say retards. Bunch of divorced dads. Yup that’s better
You have a problem with numbers or counting? Or both?
Oh now you are trying to be cute with your snide bullshit remarks. Turning over a new leaf.
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If your so good with numbers, how did you make the leap from “dad,” singular to “all dads?” Or is it your reading comprehension that needs improving? And for the record? Michelle’s comments don’t offend me nor did the thread become one of outrage on either side. Personally, I found it hilarious that some of you were questioning how it became about Team Trump Treason. Maybe try starting a thread that doesn’t link to a news story about Team Trump Treason if you don’t want it to be about him. Bahahahahahahaha.
It's probably driven by a poor stereotype she has, perhaps from anecdotal experience (i.e., childhood friend with poor relationships with their divorced fathers). I don't think she had any intent to make a nasty sweeping generalization about divorced dads and any assertion of otherwise is clearly looking to be offended (perhaps this is a good opportunity for a "both-sidsing").
I won't give her an "A" grade. It was clumsy and a poor example. I'm not fond of getting into the weeds on the concept of divorced dads,as has been done here, to either defend it or criticize it...it wasn't worthy of the scrutiny.
It is symbolic of the sheer amount of "news" we are privy to today. Stuff like this would not have been scrutinized even 25 years ago. Now "news" channels and websites are looking for clicks. And people are ultra-sensitive...on both sides...all sides.
This is nothing. I don't even think it warrants an apology; that would seem awkward. If she gets pressed on it, then I think she could apologize or acknowledge it was not well-thought-out.
Just seeing this one.
i also don’t think it deserves an apology. I just would hope more thoughtful in the future.
I do think she has a negative stereotype of divorced dads....to her they must all be deadbeat dads. Or she misspoke. But regardless it was an error on her part in my opinion.
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do you honestly believe she was speaking in terms of all divorced men with children?
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I get her overall point here. As a dad (not divorced), it kinda sucks that this is the way we look at the Dads. I don't want to get overly outraged here as she was just trying to use a metaphor, but I would have expected more from her.
Not a criticism on you, CIncy, but The link wrecked absolute havoc with my computer. I had to force close. Anybody else have issues with this?
I did read part of the article. I find Michelle's metaphor to be a bit awkward. I don't think of Trump as divorce dad. Not all divorce dads are dysfunctional. Sometimes the marriage just doesn't work due to both parties. Just "dysfunctional"work work for me.
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remember when trump made that joke to megan kelly about blood coming out of her wherever because she was asking him tough questions? and everyone on the left got all pissy about it? but it was just a joke, about a well established stereotype, so what was all the fuss about then?
it's really strange how the only people "outraged" by anything is the fact that anyone wants to talk about it.
You're comparing Trump making fun of a woman's natural bodily function and Michele criticising a dad who chooses to be a poor role model and parental figure? Again, not even the same fucking ballpark.
he used a stereotype to label any strong woman with a well thought out opinion as on her period.
she used a stereotype to label any divorced single dad as an negligent asshole.
but yeah, of course, it's never "in the same fucking ballpark". it never is.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
People are upset by her quote? I see him as the abusive dad, so what she said is a softball.
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
People are upset by her quote? I see him as the abusive dad, so what she said is a softball.
Hahahahaha you think I’m upset she called trump something? Nope. But using “divorced dad” instead of deadbeat dad or whatever seems kinda harsh for divorced dads
So - I have a serious question. I even stated that this is not something to get all upset about but that it was a very weird metaphor...and I think inappropriate. And I didn’t expect it from Michelle.
so - people here really don’t care at all about this? Saying that divorced dads all don’t care about there kids and just do the fun stuff? You all are ok with keeping that line of thinking going?
Perhaps it’s fine, but then I’m sure hoping we can feel free to make all the other generalizations too. Please don’t jump all over my opinion like some Jew who saw a penny....wait...is that not ok?
The country is about to enter a constitutional crisis and this is what has you upset , man this totally belongs in the outrage thread and please refrain from using the term retard thanks ...
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People are upset by her quote? I see him as the abusive dad, so what she said is a softball.
An out of context, half kidding, metaphor of a joke at that, that wasn’t even televised. Weird thing to start a thread about.
Its like being outraged over the movie “Old School’s” depiction of Vince Vaughn’s character and how he treats his kid. Ear muffs! I know he’s not divorced but that’s the first thing I thought of. It’s a funny stereotype people have. It’s not like she’s joking or making disparaging remarks about a group of people who’ve been persecuted and marginalized over the course of history like our president does constantly.
So - I have a serious question. I even stated that this is not something to get all upset about but that it was a very weird metaphor...and I think inappropriate. And I didn’t expect it from Michelle.
so - people here really don’t care at all about this? Saying that divorced dads all don’t care about there kids and just do the fun stuff? You all are ok with keeping that line of thinking going?
Perhaps it’s fine, but then I’m sure hoping we can feel free to make all the other generalizations too. Please don’t jump all over my opinion like some Jew who saw a penny....wait...is that not ok?
The country is about to enter a constitutional crisis and this is what has you upset , man this totally belongs in the outrage thread and please refrain from using the term retard thanks ...
So - I have a serious question. I even stated that this is not something to get all upset about but that it was a very weird metaphor...and I think inappropriate. And I didn’t expect it from Michelle.
so - people here really don’t care at all about this? Saying that divorced dads all don’t care about there kids and just do the fun stuff? You all are ok with keeping that line of thinking going?
Perhaps it’s fine, but then I’m sure hoping we can feel free to make all the other generalizations too. Please don’t jump all over my opinion like some Jew who saw a penny....wait...is that not ok?
The country is about to enter a constitutional crisis and this is what has you upset , man this totally belongs in the outrage thread and please refrain from using the term retard thanks ...
Ummmm did you even read my first post?
Yes I get what you’re saying but I don’t think it deserves any attention at this point in time , she tried to make a metaphor about what this country is going through and she failed ..
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And you trying to tel me what I was doing and what I wanted from this thread is a fucking joke. Tried to be nicer about it but screw that. Your post was just wrong and dumb.
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I began my response using 'they' because you were referring to people who were posting and I was one of the 'theys'. I read the article, the whole thing. And I have read every post in the thread, sometimes more than once if I'm not sure of the person's intent.
My first response was that civilians had to be more PC than the President and your response was why do you have to make this about Trump.
The entire article was about Trump and the PC atmosphere was the first thing that Trump attacked when he began his run for President so I thought that was important.
But nevermind, you never try to engage with me in a mutually respected way. No matter what the first or second post was, they were not attacks at you. And anything else I write you ignore. You don't have to respond to me, of course, but please don't say that no one is discussing the article in a civil way. That is not true. You, of course, can disagree.
Again, I have tried Cincy. It is obvious to me that you have no interest in having a conversation with me. Cool, I can stop wasting both of our time, especially mine. And I haven't attacked you at all in this post (which you may or may not read). You say you don't like that, but that is what you keep responding to and I don't enjoy being intentionally mean so this has become pointless for me.
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i understand nuance. i also understand the desperation of some and the depths they will go to defend 'their team' when no one was attacking them in the first place. it's a conversation about a comment someone said and you all are getting all bill maher about it. that's what i find hilarious.
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Look, I've never been on a message board where I've been outnumbered like 10-1 in terms of politics. So I get why the echo chamber can be frustrating. But I calls it like I sees it...as the thread devolved, it became a litmus test for "consistency" and if you could not criticize Michelle, you were a hypocrite. Tried to be a bigger jerk, but screw that. It's just not my personality.
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I don't enjoy when threads turn into this kind of crap and I don't appreciate you trying to reprimand me. I have no quarrel with you but please don't selectively pick my posts apart or tell me that my opinion was incorrect.
You are of course entitled to your opinion of whatever and whoever you wish. I don't wish to be mean to anyone on here or be misinterpreted as attacking someone if I disagree. I have been told on numerous occasions that I am too sensitive and take things too personally. That is true sometimes. Today I know that I have not had any mean intentions and my only disappointment is that civil debate is obviously something that no one is interested in. If it were, you would have seen that I tried to discuss the article instead of posting what you did.
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i also don’t think it deserves an apology. I just would hope more thoughtful in the future.
I do think she has a negative stereotype of divorced dads....to her they must all be deadbeat dads. Or she misspoke. But regardless it was an error on her part in my opinion.
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I have to agree with the original point. Divorced dad(s) should be upset about being metaphorically compared to Trump.
Its like being outraged over the movie “Old School’s” depiction of Vince Vaughn’s character and how he treats his kid. Ear muffs! I know he’s not divorced but that’s the first thing I thought of. It’s a funny stereotype people have. It’s not like she’s joking or making disparaging remarks about a group of people who’ve been persecuted and marginalized over the course of history like our president does constantly.
I think people need lighten up a bit.