Notre-Dame Cathedral Fire

Annafalk

I can’t help crying, this beautiful and historical church. I remember when I was there visiting, standing outside looking at this lovely building with amazement. How could this happen? 
It’s been standing there for about 850 years. 

Spiritual_Chaos

Annafalk said:

I can’t help crying, this beautiful and historical church. I remember when I was there visiting, standing outside looking at this lovely building with amazement. How could this happen? 
It’s been standing there for about 850 years. 

We can all be lucky that it is still standing there though.

cincybearcat

Annafalk said:

I can’t help crying, this beautiful and historical church. I remember when I was there visiting, standing outside looking at this lovely building with amazement. How could this happen? 
It’s been standing there for about 850 years. 

Agree. Guess I’ll wait for the cause...seems like it’s obviously 1 of a few things if it’s not intentional.

Having dealt with construction firms and safety a lot...I have my suspicions.

Meltdown99

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

They even saved the crown of thorns, that supposedly jesus wore...

Doubting Thomas.   

Lol.  Yup the whole Jesus story is a nice bedtime story...but that’s all it is a story...

Meltdown99

By the TV images, you would have thought it'd be much worse...

OnWis97

Meltdown99 said:

They even saved the crown of thorns, that supposedly jesus wore...

Mr. Faded Glory is once again doin' time.

Meltdown99

The enormous amount of water poured on Notre-Dame to put out the fire could now cause it to collapse

https://www.thisisinsider.com/the-water-used-to-put-out-notre-dame-fire-could-cause-it-to-collapse-2019-4?utm_content=buffer6b26b&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer-travel&fbclid=IwAR25ryyB9e7d8sBGchx3LZfXSBArDIQVh3p-rWjp5e7YJLUGc_pnCAoyE_I

Meltdown99

Factbox: Donors pledge over 700 million euros to rebuild Notre-Dame cathedral

https://reut.rs/2KJzpYz?fbclid=IwAR3Ew6tCzupDTwImri17CcQ1h0XdSdpeEuFHueB9ODEhek_4VMy9pfVYCfI

Kat

Live View
At the moment of this posting, they have a crane holding a dangerous and endangered statue so they can move it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRTj7A7rNcY

njnancy

Kat said:

Live View
At the moment of this posting, they have a crane holding a dangerous and endangered statue so they can move it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRTj7A7rNcY

Wow Kat!

When I was watching the footage yesterday I noticed a statue of a saint (not sure which one) above the stained glass window that was lost. I was amazed that it was still in place, and it makes sense that it's in a very precarious position. 

They've said today that the structure is not sound, so all is not as settled as was thought yesterday. I hope no one is injured by any falling debris. That worries me the most. 

Kat

It's difficult to see but the bucket with the men has moved away in the live shot and I think there's something cutting the statue free at the bottom of it maybe. You could see the dust flying when the men were there. I hope the neck of the statue can hold the weight.
I think someone said the roof had been holding the walls steady and with that gone, it is a precarious situation. We all hope they can preserve as much as possible at this point. 

Kat

Statue coming down...I'm glad the straps weren't around the neck.

njnancy

Kat said:

Statue coming down...I'm glad the straps weren't around the neck.

I'm in a news blackout right now (kind of like a juice cleanse but for my brain) so I appreciate your posts about the work at the Cathedral.

When they showed the statues of the Apostles that were removed from the roof before renovations yesterday, all of them had the heads removed. It was a bit disconcerting, just the headless thing IDK, but that must be a normal practice as the head probably messes up the weight distribution.


 Good to know that they were able to save the saint I was watching all day yesterday. I kinda got attached to him.

Hoping the wall is able to remain standing - not sure how damaged it is. 

Kat

I checked back and night is falling there. I'm sure the workers will continue tomorrow and I hope the feed stays up for very long time.
Added: Now it's a video and the statue being lowered is at about 2:30.

eeriepadave

Spiritual_Chaos said:

that's actually a pretty cool picture, kinda reminds me of this.

tbergs

eeriepadave said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

that's actually a pretty cool picture, kinda reminds me of this.

I found it a bit eerie. Looks like a giant burning cross.

njnancy

tbergs said:

eeriepadave said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

that's actually a pretty cool picture, kinda reminds me of this.

I found it a bit eerie. Looks like a giant burning cross.

The church is shaped like a cross so that would make sense. 

Is that a picture of where the airplane went into the South Tower? No, did not have the same reaction. Seeing the second picture makes me think of all the people who are burning to death or have been killed in ways I can't even imagine at that exact moment.  I don't think it's a cool picture at all. 

tbergs

njnancy said:

tbergs said:

eeriepadave said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

that's actually a pretty cool picture, kinda reminds me of this.

I found it a bit eerie. Looks like a giant burning cross.

The church is shaped like a cross so that would make sense. 

Is that a picture of where the airplane went into the South Tower? No, did not have the same reaction. Seeing the second picture makes me think of all the people who are burning to death or have been killed in ways I can't even imagine at that exact moment.  I don't think it's a cool picture at all. 

Yeah, I figured about the shape being like that on purpose, but just eerie seeing a large burning cross like that.

The 2nd photo is from Batman. That's a giant bat symbol.

pjhawks

ok so i found this strangely odd.   story in Philly Inquirer today about reactions to fire has quotes from the likes of the Obama's,  religious leaders around the world, and pearl jam bassist jeff ament (from twitter). see story below.

The world reacted with shock and prayers to the massive fire at the Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris, united in grief and in solidarity with the people of France.

As the flames tore through the 12th-century cathedral, Spain's prime minister offered France the help of his country in the recovery.

The fire is a "catastrophe for France, for Spain and for Europe," Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez tweeted Monday, adding that the flames are destroying "850 years of history, architecture, painting and sculpture."

French President Emmanuel Macron told reporters near the scene that he will seek international help, including from the "greatest talents" in the world, to rebuild Notre Dame.

President Donald Trump, speaking at an appearance in Minnesota, spoke of the "terrible, terrible fire" that devastated "one of the great treasures of the world."

"It's a part of our growing up, it's a part of our culture, it's a part of our lives," Trump said of the landmark.

The Notre Dame Cathedral, situated on an island in the Seine River in the heart of Paris, is one of the world's most visited tourist destinations, drawing some 13 million people each year. The fire's emotional impact was widely felt. People from all over described in Facebook posts how they cried when they heard about the fire.

Former President Barack Obama posted an old photo of himself, his wife Michelle and their two daughters lighting candles in the cathedral.

"Notre Dame is one of the world's great treasures, and we're thinking of the people of France in your time of grief," Obama said on Twitter. Michelle Obama, who was in Paris on Monday on a book tour, said "my heart aches with the people of France."

"The majesty of Notre Dame - the history, artistry, and spirituality - took our breath away, lifting us to a higher understanding of who we are and who we can be," she tweeted. She predicted the cathedral would rise again.

Japan's government early Tuesday expressed sympathy and said it would consider sending support to the French government. "Its damage is a loss to the world and our hearts ache," said Yoshihide Suga, the chief cabinet secretary.

The Vatican said Pope Francis "has seen with shock and sadness the news of the terrible fire."

As the flames spread, Cardinal Timothy Dolan, the archbishop of New York, prayed at St. Patrick's Cathedral in Manhattan for intercession.

"God preserve this splendid house of prayer, and protect those battling the blaze," Dolan said in a statement.

Paris Mayor Anne Hidalgo said many works of art and holy objects inside the church had been saved, but the art world was distressed about what might have been lost.

Barbara Drake Boehm, senior curator at the Metropolitan Museum of Art's medieval Cloisters branch in New York, was desolate about damage to the cathedral, which she called "one of the great monuments to the best of civilization."

"Civilization is just so fragile," Boehm told a reporter in a trembling voice. "This great hulking monument of stone has been there since 1163. It's come through so many trials."

Jeff Ament, bass player for Pearl Jam, remembered spending hours at the cathedral in his first visit, in 1991, with record executive Michael Goldstone.

"Thinking about Paris," Ament tweeted, with photos of the cathedral.

U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres tweeted that he's "horrified," calling the cathedral "a unique example of world heritage."

In Russia, the Russian Orthodox Church's secretary for inter-Christian relations Hieromonk Stefan called the fire "a tragedy for the entire Christian world and for all who appreciate the cultural significance of this temple," the state news agency RIA-Novosti reported:

On Twitter, Trump suggested using planes to drop water on the flames. France's Civil Security agency said that wasn't feasible.

"All means are being used, except for water-bombing aircrafts which, if used, could lead to the collapse of the entire structure of the cathedral," the agency tweeted.

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Associated Press reporters Jocelyn Noveck and Kiley Armstrong in New York, Jim Heintz in Moscow, Edith M. Lederer at the United Nations, and Samuel Petrequin in Paris contributed to this report.

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Follow Andrew Selsky on Twitter at https://twitter.com/andrewselsky

brianlux

pjhawks said:

ok so i found this strangely odd.   story in Philly Inquirer today about reactions to fire has quotes from the likes of the Obama's,  religious leaders around the world, and pearl jam bassist jeff ament (from twitter). see story below.

The world reacted with shock and prayers to the massive fire at the Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris, united in grief and in solidarity with the people of France.

As the flames tore through the 12th-century cathedral, Spain's prime minister offered France the help of his country in the recovery.

The fire is a "catastrophe for France, for Spain and for Europe," Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez tweeted Monday, adding that the flames are destroying "850 years of history, architecture, painting and sculpture."

French President Emmanuel Macron told reporters near the scene that he will seek international help, including from the "greatest talents" in the world, to rebuild Notre Dame.

President Donald Trump, speaking at an appearance in Minnesota, spoke of the "terrible, terrible fire" that devastated "one of the great treasures of the world."

"It's a part of our growing up, it's a part of our culture, it's a part of our lives," Trump said of the landmark.

The Notre Dame Cathedral, situated on an island in the Seine River in the heart of Paris, is one of the world's most visited tourist destinations, drawing some 13 million people each year. The fire's emotional impact was widely felt. People from all over described in Facebook posts how they cried when they heard about the fire.

Former President Barack Obama posted an old photo of himself, his wife Michelle and their two daughters lighting candles in the cathedral.

"Notre Dame is one of the world's great treasures, and we're thinking of the people of France in your time of grief," Obama said on Twitter. Michelle Obama, who was in Paris on Monday on a book tour, said "my heart aches with the people of France."

"The majesty of Notre Dame - the history, artistry, and spirituality - took our breath away, lifting us to a higher understanding of who we are and who we can be," she tweeted. She predicted the cathedral would rise again.

Japan's government early Tuesday expressed sympathy and said it would consider sending support to the French government. "Its damage is a loss to the world and our hearts ache," said Yoshihide Suga, the chief cabinet secretary.

The Vatican said Pope Francis "has seen with shock and sadness the news of the terrible fire."

As the flames spread, Cardinal Timothy Dolan, the archbishop of New York, prayed at St. Patrick's Cathedral in Manhattan for intercession.

"God preserve this splendid house of prayer, and protect those battling the blaze," Dolan said in a statement.

Paris Mayor Anne Hidalgo said many works of art and holy objects inside the church had been saved, but the art world was distressed about what might have been lost.

Barbara Drake Boehm, senior curator at the Metropolitan Museum of Art's medieval Cloisters branch in New York, was desolate about damage to the cathedral, which she called "one of the great monuments to the best of civilization."

"Civilization is just so fragile," Boehm told a reporter in a trembling voice. "This great hulking monument of stone has been there since 1163. It's come through so many trials."

Jeff Ament, bass player for Pearl Jam, remembered spending hours at the cathedral in his first visit, in 1991, with record executive Michael Goldstone.

"Thinking about Paris," Ament tweeted, with photos of the cathedral.

U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres tweeted that he's "horrified," calling the cathedral "a unique example of world heritage."

In Russia, the Russian Orthodox Church's secretary for inter-Christian relations Hieromonk Stefan called the fire "a tragedy for the entire Christian world and for all who appreciate the cultural significance of this temple," the state news agency RIA-Novosti reported:

On Twitter, Trump suggested using planes to drop water on the flames. France's Civil Security agency said that wasn't feasible.

"All means are being used, except for water-bombing aircrafts which, if used, could lead to the collapse of the entire structure of the cathedral," the agency tweeted.

___

Associated Press reporters Jocelyn Noveck and Kiley Armstrong in New York, Jim Heintz in Moscow, Edith M. Lederer at the United Nations, and Samuel Petrequin in Paris contributed to this report.

___

Follow Andrew Selsky on Twitter at https://twitter.com/andrewselsky

Barack Obama, Jeff Ament.  Pretty famous dudes right there!