The Democratic Candidates

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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,529
    edited June 2019
    "Not since Barack Obama has a candidate ignited such a buzz" 

    I have a theory on what camp Chris M is in.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,529

    Pete Buttigieg On Impeachment: I Believe Trump 'Deserves To Be Impeached'

    https://youtu.be/-K6SrL9YRTU

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    This thing with reparations(?) to the black community. Has that been an issue before this election?

    Never heard of it before this year...
    It's a thing. It's been around as long as I can remember. Here's a brief history via Wikipedia:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparations_for_slavery_debate_in_the_United_States

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,958
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Can you two just stop it? I mean, of course you can do what you want, but just FYI, your little ongoing tiff is getting annoying for the rest of us. Also, I love you both. ;)
    I swear im really really trying. 
    Lol, well good for you then. All we can do is our best. :tongue:
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,676
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Can you two just stop it? I mean, of course you can do what you want, but just FYI, your little ongoing tiff is getting annoying for the rest of us. Also, I love you both. ;)
    I swear im really really trying. 
    Lol, well good for you then. All we can do is our best. :tongue:
    It's currently taking all... my.... strength....

    Im terrible at shutting up.
  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,151
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Can you two just stop it? I mean, of course you can do what you want, but just FYI, your little ongoing tiff is getting annoying for the rest of us. Also, I love you both. ;)
    I swear im really really trying. 
    Lol, well good for you then. All we can do is our best. :tongue:
    It's currently taking all... my.... strength....

    Im terrible at shutting up.
    I’m not sure if this is where your head’s at, but I have a very low threshold for disingenuous people/behaviours, and less so when it’s someone else’s name/character being dragged through the coals - and that’s why it’s getting to me.

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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,529
    mrussel1 said:

    Im terrible at shutting up.
    Just try your hardest to do it when you feel that alluring urge to distort the truth and skew the facts. And you'll be A-ok!


    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,529
    edited June 2019
    So Warren is stealing from Pete?

    Joe Biden Keeps Lead But Elizabeth Warren Cuts Into Mayor Pete's Numbers


    https://youtu.be/j4xnegE7638
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,529
    edited June 2019
    Everyone will cut into Bidens numbers after the first debate.

    They will be giving away his numbers like god damn candy.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,676
    benjs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Can you two just stop it? I mean, of course you can do what you want, but just FYI, your little ongoing tiff is getting annoying for the rest of us. Also, I love you both. ;)
    I swear im really really trying. 
    Lol, well good for you then. All we can do is our best. :tongue:
    It's currently taking all... my.... strength....

    Im terrible at shutting up.
    I’m not sure if this is where your head’s at, but I have a very low threshold for disingenuous people/behaviours, and less so when it’s someone else’s name/character being dragged through the coals - and that’s why it’s getting to me.

    I’m trying to learn to write Javascript so I may try to write a browser extension to hide specific posts (or posters’ comments). If I make any headway, I’ll share it of course, but I think I’m still a ways away.
    I'll gladly take it.  Hell,  I'll stake it!
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,058
    Credit Warren for working hard in Iowa and, “having a plan for that.” But beyond Iowa and NH, and solidly blue states, we’ll see if she appeals to indies and disappointed Team Trump Treason voters or Weld repubs. America is not ready for a gay president with a first husband, sadly. The rest won’t gain enough traction to continue much beyond Super Tuesday. Beto is toast in that his Schtick of jumping on things and giving soaring platudenous speeches with little policy details can only carry you so far. It’s still early and anything can happen as we’ll have to see what skeletons come rattling out of the respective closets.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,676
    Credit Warren for working hard in Iowa and, “having a plan for that.” But beyond Iowa and NH, and solidly blue states, we’ll see if she appeals to indies and disappointed Team Trump Treason voters or Weld repubs. America is not ready for a gay president with a first husband, sadly. The rest won’t gain enough traction to continue much beyond Super Tuesday. Beto is toast in that his Schtick of jumping on things and giving soaring platudenous speeches with little policy details can only carry you so far. It’s still early and anything can happen as we’ll have to see what skeletons come rattling out of the respective closets.
    Don't underestimate the power of the live stream eye exam. 
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,529
    edited June 2019
    Is Pete being gay really such a big problem with the voters who are open to voting for a democrat to begin with? Is it big enough to destroy his chances completely? 

    Doesn't seem like this is being brought up in the news shows I've seen -- are they to afraid to seriously touch on the subject? Is FOX news talking about it?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,145
    Is Pete being gay really such a big problem with the voters who are open to voting for a democrat to begin with? Is it big enough to destroy his chances completely? 

    Doesn't seem like this is being brought up in the news shows I've seen -- are they to afraid to seriously touch on the subject? Is FOX news talking about it?
    I fear it could be...Think of the tradition associated with the First Lady.  I fear they won’t be able to pull the lever for Pete, even if they have no problem with their gay co-wørkér.
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  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    Is Pete being gay really such a big problem with the voters who are open to voting for a democrat to begin with? Is it big enough to destroy his chances completely? 

    Doesn't seem like this is being brought up in the news shows I've seen -- are they to afraid to seriously touch on the subject? Is FOX news talking about it?
    I believe it is. I love Pete, but I don’t think he stands a chance in the general. I have no idea how this is gonna play out and Biden isn't my favorite, but I believe he stands best chance of pulling in moderates, on the fence Trump voters, and older white voters better than anyone at this point. I could care less about policy at this point. These candidates aren’t going to be able to pass 1/4 of the shit they promise anyway. It’s all about getting us back on a forward progressive path instead of the one we are in. All about getting Trump out of office for me, that’s what I’m voting for.

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,058
    mrussel1 said:
    Credit Warren for working hard in Iowa and, “having a plan for that.” But beyond Iowa and NH, and solidly blue states, we’ll see if she appeals to indies and disappointed Team Trump Treason voters or Weld repubs. America is not ready for a gay president with a first husband, sadly. The rest won’t gain enough traction to continue much beyond Super Tuesday. Beto is toast in that his Schtick of jumping on things and giving soaring platudenous speeches with little policy details can only carry you so far. It’s still early and anything can happen as we’ll have to see what skeletons come rattling out of the respective closets.
    Don't underestimate the power of the live stream eye exam. 
    Don’t underestimate the power of older, retired voters, particularly older white voters, traditionally the highest percentage of eligible voters that actually vote.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    jeffbr said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    That is just so sad that people already seem to think Biden is the one who might be the only one who can get this done. So, so sad.
    It is simply an acknowledgement that Biden is a "safe" vote. The best candidate doesn't always get the nomination. The best candidate doesn't always win the election. Biden is a known quantity, who isn't necessarily a polarizing figure. Moderates make up a critical mass, so it only makes sense that someone like Biden would automatically assume the role of front-runner. And he polls well against Trump. My only care in 2020 is that a Dem beats Trump. So I'm perfectly happy that a Dem who polls well against Trump is currently the front-runner. Biden just polled 12 points higher than Trump in North Carolina.
    And just to be clear, I want Warren to be the next president, but if Biden wins the nomination he's 100% my guy (even if I have no vote).

    I hope others feel the same way about their preferred candidates. Anybody. But. Trump.
  • RunIntoTheRainRunIntoTheRain Posts: 1,024
    benjs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Can you two just stop it? I mean, of course you can do what you want, but just FYI, your little ongoing tiff is getting annoying for the rest of us. Also, I love you both. ;)
    I swear im really really trying. 
    Lol, well good for you then. All we can do is our best. :tongue:
    It's currently taking all... my.... strength....

    Im terrible at shutting up.
    I’m not sure if this is where your head’s at, but I have a very low threshold for disingenuous people/behaviours, and less so when it’s someone else’s name/character being dragged through the coals - and that’s why it’s getting to me.

    I’m trying to learn to write Javascript so I may try to write a browser extension to hide specific posts (or posters’ comments). If I make any headway, I’ll share it of course, but I think I’m still a ways away.
    I'm right there with you on that bolded part. Dropping a lot of f bombs while reading this crap. lol
    @mrussel1 carry on with your self restraint. Your back is covered.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,676
    mrussel1 said:
    Credit Warren for working hard in Iowa and, “having a plan for that.” But beyond Iowa and NH, and solidly blue states, we’ll see if she appeals to indies and disappointed Team Trump Treason voters or Weld repubs. America is not ready for a gay president with a first husband, sadly. The rest won’t gain enough traction to continue much beyond Super Tuesday. Beto is toast in that his Schtick of jumping on things and giving soaring platudenous speeches with little policy details can only carry you so far. It’s still early and anything can happen as we’ll have to see what skeletons come rattling out of the respective closets.
    Don't underestimate the power of the live stream eye exam. 
    Don’t underestimate the power of older, retired voters, particularly older white voters, traditionally the highest percentage of eligible voters that actually vote.
    That's the damn truth.  That's why Twitter is just extraneous noise.  
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,676
    benjs said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Can you two just stop it? I mean, of course you can do what you want, but just FYI, your little ongoing tiff is getting annoying for the rest of us. Also, I love you both. ;)
    I swear im really really trying. 
    Lol, well good for you then. All we can do is our best. :tongue:
    It's currently taking all... my.... strength....

    Im terrible at shutting up.
    I’m not sure if this is where your head’s at, but I have a very low threshold for disingenuous people/behaviours, and less so when it’s someone else’s name/character being dragged through the coals - and that’s why it’s getting to me.

    I’m trying to learn to write Javascript so I may try to write a browser extension to hide specific posts (or posters’ comments). If I make any headway, I’ll share it of course, but I think I’m still a ways away.
    I'm right there with you on that bolded part. Dropping a lot of f bombs while reading this crap. lol
    @mrussel1 carry on with your self restraint. Your back is covered.
    I know.  Good support from many.  Thanks 
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    PJ_Soul said:
    Can you two just stop it? I mean, of course you can do what you want, but just FYI, your little ongoing tiff is getting annoying for the rest of us. Also, I love you both. ;)
    The ongoing tiff is being carried on by 1 person at this point...
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,529
    edited June 2019
    PJ_Soul said:
    Can you two just stop it? I mean, of course you can do what you want, but just FYI, your little ongoing tiff is getting annoying for the rest of us. Also, I love you both. ;)
    The ongoing tiff is being carried on by 1 person at this point...
    As shown in this thread, you are not the one to actually read before you post (remember that article you posted to prove a point but you had not even read the article, so when your article was quoted in here you argued against the very article you posted to prove your point?)



    How can you be "LMFAO-baffled" and attack me for the conclusion of an article you yourself posted to make your argument? Take that as a hint that you should stay out of discussing, if you are unable to read beyond a clickbate:y headline.

    But even with not caring about reading and, as I understand it being a fan of "falling in line" -  get out of here with that dishonest BS, this is who started it "at this point":






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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,617
    I'll takee this opportunity to refer everyone to page 85.......
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  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,151
    PJ_Soul said:
    Can you two just stop it? I mean, of course you can do what you want, but just FYI, your little ongoing tiff is getting annoying for the rest of us. Also, I love you both. ;)
    The ongoing tiff is being carried on by 1 person at this point...
    Thankfully that seems to be the case, Meltdown! 
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,529
    edited June 2019
    mickeyrat said:
    I'll takee this opportunity to refer everyone to page 85.......
    Yes. Page 85 is where you shine. Dragging in irrelevant stuff for a chance for a personal insult is classy and nice. Or..?


    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,529
    edited June 2019
    New documentary coming about the guy who isn't mayour of South Bend, Indiana:

    Beto O'Rourke is trying to break through a crowded field of 2020 Democratic campaign, less than one year after his failed Seante campaign in Texas. The new HBO documentary "Running With Beto" chornicles that campaign. David Modigliani, the director of the documentary, joins "Red and Blue" to discuss..

    https://youtu.be/gMBW-FV-ZRY

    Who cares about that campaign now...
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,529
    So the first primary debate is 26 and 27 of June. 

    When do we know how they split up the people? The day of the first primary?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,529
    If Bernie and Biden isn't on the same night, then it will be like ending a show with Alive>RITFW>YL
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,529
    edited June 2019
    jeffbr said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    That is just so sad that people already seem to think Biden is the one who might be the only one who can get this done. So, so sad.
    It is simply an acknowledgement that Biden is a "safe" vote. The best candidate doesn't always get the nomination. The best candidate doesn't always win the election. Biden is a known quantity, who isn't necessarily a polarizing figure. Moderates make up a critical mass, so it only makes sense that someone like Biden would automatically assume the role of front-runner. And he polls well against Trump. My only care in 2020 is that a Dem beats Trump. So I'm perfectly happy that a Dem who polls well against Trump is currently the front-runner. Biden just polled 12 points higher than Trump in North Carolina.
    Yes. I do understand that. 

    But I also think that "safe" can backfire. Hillary was safe.

    And if a Sanders/Warren/openly Gay Pete wins by 5 points instead of "back to same old" wins by 12, then that is a bigger swing and statement. And a few steps towards the US opens up for "positive progress" and not going back to an old white dude who supported helping W Bush impress daddy Bush Sr with a war.

    In short:


    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,639
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Biden will be this elections Jeb Bush.

    Mark my words.
    Not even close.
    Agreed.  This is Biden s to lose. 
    That's pretty obvious by the polls.

    Which at the start of the GOP primaries most thought it was Jebs to lose.

    Front runners and inevitable candidates have a history of flaming out.

    Only time will tell, but my guess is Biden isn't going to fair to well in the debates, everyone is going to beat up on the guy in the lead. And Biden has a history of losing.


    Folks, that was Senator Biden, not Vice President Biden. When trying to unseat an incumbent, folks, Executive Branch Pedigree counts more than anything else.

    Second, folks, Biden is a moderate, which means he is best positioned to draw independent votes away from the incumbent. 

    Third, folks, Biden spent his younger years growing up in Scranton and that resonates best with the Rust Belt swing state voters that served as trumps 2016 base than the other candidates. 

    Folks, fourth on my list is demographics. Biden polls best among the incumbents base of demographic support willing to consider voting against trump.

    These four points, folks, work perfectly for a 2020 type election and perhaps not as much in a 2016 type one. Bidens strengths are micro targeted specifically to take down a Trump incumbency.

    The best evidence of this folks is the Trump Reelection Campaign is now setting up shop in new states that Hillary won, such as NV MM and NH. The Rs see Biden's strength in the many swing states trump won and are significantly concerned 

    If dems are willing to blow this opportunity on a potential absurd debate gaffe, folks, they deserve 4 more years of trump. 
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