The Democratic Candidates
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no, it's just weird how you always go on the supreme defensive "calm down" and "stop freaking out" and "the sky isn't falling!" stuff whenever you are challenged. it's odd.my2hands said:https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/25/18282870/joe-biden-criminal-justice-war-on-drugs-mass-incarceration
All i said was, very simply, Joe Biden is not, and has never been a liberal or considered a liberal. He is a moderate, and has always been a moderate, and will always be a moderate.
Feel free to parse and debate whatever you want for the next 5 pages, to call him a liberal is incorrectBy The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Saw someone describe him as a Status Quo Warrior.my2hands said:https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/25/18282870/joe-biden-criminal-justice-war-on-drugs-mass-incarceration
All i said was, very simply, Joe Biden is not, and has never been a liberal or considered a liberal. He is a moderate, and has always been a moderate, and will always be a moderate.
Feel free to parse and debate whatever you want for the next 5 pages, to call him a liberal is incorrect"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
The problem is you're both wrong. He's been liberal in his social positions his whole career. Now the degrees to each varies, but to think of him as not a career social liberal is factually wrong. Research his rating from the NRA, NEA, NARAL, etc. He is absolutely moderate on many economic positions, which is reflective of his state.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Saw someone describe him as a Status Quo Warrior.my2hands said:https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/25/18282870/joe-biden-criminal-justice-war-on-drugs-mass-incarceration
All i said was, very simply, Joe Biden is not, and has never been a liberal or considered a liberal. He is a moderate, and has always been a moderate, and will always be a moderate.
Feel free to parse and debate whatever you want for the next 5 pages, to call him a liberal is incorrect
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Sorry I missed this yesterday. There isn't anything that you can do except remain the enlightened male that you are. And it isn't a guilt trip, at least it's not meant to be by me.mrussel1 said:
Nancy, I can't argue enough any of this. I intellectually know it to be true. But what so I do with it? What does someone like me do differently in light of all of this?njnancy said:
I think that I know what you are trying to say @PJ_Soul. You aren't saying that there aren't men and women who will campaign and vote for a woman - there are many who will. The underlying point is that unless you are a woman then you really can't understand how obvious it is that the chances of a woman getting in the White House are so slim. Being a woman I have felt the double standard that exists that allows for women to be in certain places of prominence but not in others.PJ_Soul said:
Then I don't understand why you asked me the questions you did. I liked this article partly because it specifically responds to your reaction of "I have supported women, do you think I'm sexist?"mrussel1 said:
I did. If the only argument is that women are judged by a different standard, then I agree. But women are just as judgmental on that same physical standard as men are.PJ_Soul said:
I think maybe you didn't read the article?mrussel1 said:
I voted for Hillary in the Virginia primary and advocated for her tirelessly on this site. That included many verbal throw downs against the Bernie fans here. I won't vote for Warren because of her policies. Do you think im sexist? Do you think im the only white male like that?PJ_Soul said:Just another editorial on that sexism point I believe in, for consideration.
I'm reading all of these articles with the subtle context that any man that doesn't vie for a woman has some embedded sexist reason. Maybe im reading too much into it.
Women who climb the ladder to the top have to have an extremely thick skin because there are people, women included, who are biased against women being in power and are blatant about it and there is the other feeling that people don't realize that they are putting off. Every time you are, doing almost anything in life, you are aware of certain nuances and prejudices (intended or not) that exist.
It is the same kind of thing when I think about what it is like for a black person to function in America. I know things that happen to them, I have been with people when they have been treated unfairly when I wouldn't even have been noticed, I have the knowledge that these biases exist. I think it is horrible. I hate that it happens.
But my skin is white so I don't know what it FEELS like to function as a black person in society. I don't know the mindset that a black person has to ready themselves for at the beginning of the day depending on what they are about to do that day. There is no way I can ever understand what it is like to hear people locking their car doors as I walk across the street. I act differently with authority figures because I don't have the same heightened awareness that black and brown people do. I don't have to fear for my child the same way a black person would, and take precautions.
As a white woman, I have encountered harassment in every aspect of my life - high school, college, jobs, career, societal, walking down the street. It was normal for most of my life. And you just learned to deal with it. A guy could know that that happens but they can't know how it FEELS and how a woman is aware of certain limitations and how we have to adjust depending on situations. We have to ready ourselves for certain situations. Men aren't bad, they just don't have the same experience as a woman living day to day.
I am not in the least bit surprised that a black man was voted into the WH before a woman, I just never thought it would be in my lifetime. I think that a gay man could be elected before a straight white woman. There are people who are open about their feelings that a woman does not belong in high places, let alone Commander in Chief. We know this, we feel it and we fight to not be held back by the biases that some people have. It is a learned way of living.
I hope that is what you meant Alli. If not I apologize for getting it wrong.
I was just watching Alli make her arguments on this and I know that she is in mourning and can express herself quite well but I, as a woman, felt that this is what she was getting at.
We just all need to be aware that we all walk this earth with different experiences and even the most evolved among us can only support and listen to those who walk a different path. We can never know exactly how it feels to be them. But we can learn and grow and be aware that prejudice exists even when we may not be the one putting it out there.
When a minority responds in a way I don't understand, I try to see the situation through their eyes not mine, but I can never really do that in reality and sometimes I don't really understand. But I try to understand and not judge. I don't always succeed. I try to understand their feelings about the situation, as I can see the facts or data, but just listening to where they are coming from sometimes helps.
So when people seem to over react over incidents in MY eyes, I have to remember that I haven't lived their life. I can only remain open minded and accept the intrinsic prejudice I have from my early life. I acknowledge its existence but reject it, and I just listen, know I have a lot to learn and realize if someone is extremely passionate over something I don't find to be valid, I may not be the best judge of how they should react.
Don't need to do anything with it as you already seem to understand this.0 -
And how does this argument support your position that he's not a liberal? This article makes clear that the politics are different today with the benefits of hindsight. It also says that both parties were part of it, including Sanders. And last, it discusses how Biden has changed his views over the years. Seems as if this article is in line with what I said, so thanks.my2hands said:https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/25/18282870/joe-biden-criminal-justice-war-on-drugs-mass-incarceration
All i said was, very simply, Joe Biden is not, and has never been a liberal or considered a liberal. He is a moderate, and has always been a moderate, and will always be a moderate.
Feel free to parse and debate whatever you want for the next 5 pages, to call him a liberal is incorrect0 -
It’s not that odd, when generally you end up with a grip of people making snide remarks when you post...you get a little defensive.HughFreakingDillon said:
no, it's just weird how you always go on the supreme defensive "calm down" and "stop freaking out" and "the sky isn't falling!" stuff whenever you are challenged. it's odd.my2hands said:https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/25/18282870/joe-biden-criminal-justice-war-on-drugs-mass-incarceration
All i said was, very simply, Joe Biden is not, and has never been a liberal or considered a liberal. He is a moderate, and has always been a moderate, and will always be a moderate.
Feel free to parse and debate whatever you want for the next 5 pages, to call him a liberal is incorrect
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Ha! This is satire, right?cincybearcat said:
It’s not that odd, when generally you end up with a grip of people making snide remarks when you post...you get a little defensive.HughFreakingDillon said:
no, it's just weird how you always go on the supreme defensive "calm down" and "stop freaking out" and "the sky isn't falling!" stuff whenever you are challenged. it's odd.my2hands said:https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/25/18282870/joe-biden-criminal-justice-war-on-drugs-mass-incarceration
All i said was, very simply, Joe Biden is not, and has never been a liberal or considered a liberal. He is a moderate, and has always been a moderate, and will always be a moderate.
Feel free to parse and debate whatever you want for the next 5 pages, to call him a liberal is incorrect0 -
Absolutely notmrussel1 said:
Ha! This is satire, right?cincybearcat said:
It’s not that odd, when generally you end up with a grip of people making snide remarks when you post...you get a little defensive.HughFreakingDillon said:
no, it's just weird how you always go on the supreme defensive "calm down" and "stop freaking out" and "the sky isn't falling!" stuff whenever you are challenged. it's odd.my2hands said:https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/25/18282870/joe-biden-criminal-justice-war-on-drugs-mass-incarceration
All i said was, very simply, Joe Biden is not, and has never been a liberal or considered a liberal. He is a moderate, and has always been a moderate, and will always be a moderate.
Feel free to parse and debate whatever you want for the next 5 pages, to call him a liberal is incorrect
Bunch of rude condescending motherfuckers up in here sometimes, straight up.
And it's always the same 4 or 5 clowns, they kmow who they are
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Where did you get that he’s freaking out? No freaking is apparent to me. Just information, which maybe you don’t like.my2hands said:
Dude why are you freaking out? Did i say being a moderate was a bad thing? Joe Biden is a moderate and has never been considered a liberal, not in the 80's, 90's, or 2000's... that's not good, thats not bad, thats just who he is... you support the guy because he's a fucking moderate and you want to lecture me? you act like you just learned who Joe Biden is? Lolmrussel1 said:
See this is a perfect example of the lack of historical perspective when evaluating people's positions. The Crime Bill was not considered a 'conservative/liberal' demarcation point when it came to pass. The cities were ravaged by crime and the leaders in the black community, including the majority of the Congressional Black Caucus, supported the bill. You can't judge their vote by what we know today, 30 friggin' years later, with the benefit of hindsight. And don't forget the Violence Against Women Act was a subset. I guess Biden should have voted against that?my2hands said:
Ahhhhhh, not really.... Joe is a moderate.... nobody considers him a liberal, and they shouldn't... he is s solid moderare dem.... the iraq war vote being near the top of the list and the crime bill, etc......mrussel1 said:
Haha, that's a good joke, and seems to be true this year. Although, it seems to be the progressives. Biden would be considered a liberal I think, under today's nomenclature.Spiritual_Chaos said:
If I got a nickel every time I did that to myself.mrussel1 said:BTW - your second paragraph is way overstated and blows up what could have been a pretty good argument.
Anyways, the only difference between a liberal and a cannibal is that cannibals don't eat their friends and family. I've heard.
I would not consider Joe to be a liberal or progressive, which i feel are the same thing
Oh and FYI, Sanders voted for it too. I guess he's a moderate.
Lighten up
Some people on here always have to throw a jab or try to talk slick, like this unnecessary condescending remark.
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I'm not wrong, and i'm not going to debate it. Biden is a moderate Democrat, and is not a liberal.mrussel1 said:
The problem is you're both wrong. He's been liberal in his social positions his whole career. Now the degrees to each varies, but to think of him as not a career social liberal is factually wrong. Research his rating from the NRA, NEA, NARAL, etc. He is absolutely moderate on many economic positions, which is reflective of his state.Spiritual_Chaos said:
Saw someone describe him as a Status Quo Warrior.my2hands said:https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/25/18282870/joe-biden-criminal-justice-war-on-drugs-mass-incarceration
All i said was, very simply, Joe Biden is not, and has never been a liberal or considered a liberal. He is a moderate, and has always been a moderate, and will always be a moderate.
Feel free to parse and debate whatever you want for the next 5 pages, to call him a liberal is incorrect
What does it even matter?Post edited by my2hands on0 -
Biden is the only one with a chance0
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Nope. Spelling error though. Meant “group” not “grip”. iPhone musta changed it.mrussel1 said:
Ha! This is satire, right?cincybearcat said:
It’s not that odd, when generally you end up with a grip of people making snide remarks when you post...you get a little defensive.HughFreakingDillon said:
no, it's just weird how you always go on the supreme defensive "calm down" and "stop freaking out" and "the sky isn't falling!" stuff whenever you are challenged. it's odd.my2hands said:https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/25/18282870/joe-biden-criminal-justice-war-on-drugs-mass-incarceration
All i said was, very simply, Joe Biden is not, and has never been a liberal or considered a liberal. He is a moderate, and has always been a moderate, and will always be a moderate.
Feel free to parse and debate whatever you want for the next 5 pages, to call him a liberal is incorrecthippiemom = goodness0 -
Nope, you’re incorrect. Mrussell was not freaking out, he was providing information. Maybe you didn’t like that information, but that doesn’t mean he was freaking out, and it also doesn’t mean that people that point that out are condescending to you.my2hands said:
Last sentence is exhibit Aoftenreading said:
Where did you get that he’s freaking out? No freaking is apparent to me. Just information, which maybe you don’t like.my2hands said:
Dude why are you freaking out? Did i say being a moderate was a bad thing? Joe Biden is a moderate and has never been considered a liberal, not in the 80's, 90's, or 2000's... that's not good, thats not bad, thats just who he is... you support the guy because he's a fucking moderate and you want to lecture me? you act like you just learned who Joe Biden is? Lolmrussel1 said:
See this is a perfect example of the lack of historical perspective when evaluating people's positions. The Crime Bill was not considered a 'conservative/liberal' demarcation point when it came to pass. The cities were ravaged by crime and the leaders in the black community, including the majority of the Congressional Black Caucus, supported the bill. You can't judge their vote by what we know today, 30 friggin' years later, with the benefit of hindsight. And don't forget the Violence Against Women Act was a subset. I guess Biden should have voted against that?my2hands said:
Ahhhhhh, not really.... Joe is a moderate.... nobody considers him a liberal, and they shouldn't... he is s solid moderare dem.... the iraq war vote being near the top of the list and the crime bill, etc......mrussel1 said:
Haha, that's a good joke, and seems to be true this year. Although, it seems to be the progressives. Biden would be considered a liberal I think, under today's nomenclature.Spiritual_Chaos said:
If I got a nickel every time I did that to myself.mrussel1 said:BTW - your second paragraph is way overstated and blows up what could have been a pretty good argument.
Anyways, the only difference between a liberal and a cannibal is that cannibals don't eat their friends and family. I've heard.
I would not consider Joe to be a liberal or progressive, which i feel are the same thing
Oh and FYI, Sanders voted for it too. I guess he's a moderate.
Lighten up
Some people on here always have to throw a jab or try to talk slick, like this unnecessary condescending remark.
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Oh c’mon. You went back to the original argument instead of dealing with your snide remark. You know you were making a snide remark, own it. Man - lots of people continue to do this sort of thing and never own it.oftenreading said:
Nope, you’re incorrect. Mrussell was not freaking out, he was providing information. Maybe you didn’t like that information, but that doesn’t mean he was freaking out, and it also doesn’t mean that people that point that out are condescending to you.my2hands said:
Last sentence is exhibit Aoftenreading said:
Where did you get that he’s freaking out? No freaking is apparent to me. Just information, which maybe you don’t like.my2hands said:
Dude why are you freaking out? Did i say being a moderate was a bad thing? Joe Biden is a moderate and has never been considered a liberal, not in the 80's, 90's, or 2000's... that's not good, thats not bad, thats just who he is... you support the guy because he's a fucking moderate and you want to lecture me? you act like you just learned who Joe Biden is? Lolmrussel1 said:
See this is a perfect example of the lack of historical perspective when evaluating people's positions. The Crime Bill was not considered a 'conservative/liberal' demarcation point when it came to pass. The cities were ravaged by crime and the leaders in the black community, including the majority of the Congressional Black Caucus, supported the bill. You can't judge their vote by what we know today, 30 friggin' years later, with the benefit of hindsight. And don't forget the Violence Against Women Act was a subset. I guess Biden should have voted against that?my2hands said:
Ahhhhhh, not really.... Joe is a moderate.... nobody considers him a liberal, and they shouldn't... he is s solid moderare dem.... the iraq war vote being near the top of the list and the crime bill, etc......mrussel1 said:
Haha, that's a good joke, and seems to be true this year. Although, it seems to be the progressives. Biden would be considered a liberal I think, under today's nomenclature.Spiritual_Chaos said:
If I got a nickel every time I did that to myself.mrussel1 said:BTW - your second paragraph is way overstated and blows up what could have been a pretty good argument.
Anyways, the only difference between a liberal and a cannibal is that cannibals don't eat their friends and family. I've heard.
I would not consider Joe to be a liberal or progressive, which i feel are the same thing
Oh and FYI, Sanders voted for it too. I guess he's a moderate.
Lighten up
Some people on here always have to throw a jab or try to talk slick, like this unnecessary condescending remark.
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Nope. It’s a factual remark, like I just said. Doesn’t matter what you think of it.cincybearcat said:
Oh c’mon. You went back to the original argument instead of dealing with your snide remark. You know you were making a snide remark, own it. Man - lots of people continue to do this sort of thing and never own it.oftenreading said:
Nope, you’re incorrect. Mrussell was not freaking out, he was providing information. Maybe you didn’t like that information, but that doesn’t mean he was freaking out, and it also doesn’t mean that people that point that out are condescending to you.my2hands said:
Last sentence is exhibit Aoftenreading said:
Where did you get that he’s freaking out? No freaking is apparent to me. Just information, which maybe you don’t like.my2hands said:
Dude why are you freaking out? Did i say being a moderate was a bad thing? Joe Biden is a moderate and has never been considered a liberal, not in the 80's, 90's, or 2000's... that's not good, thats not bad, thats just who he is... you support the guy because he's a fucking moderate and you want to lecture me? you act like you just learned who Joe Biden is? Lolmrussel1 said:
See this is a perfect example of the lack of historical perspective when evaluating people's positions. The Crime Bill was not considered a 'conservative/liberal' demarcation point when it came to pass. The cities were ravaged by crime and the leaders in the black community, including the majority of the Congressional Black Caucus, supported the bill. You can't judge their vote by what we know today, 30 friggin' years later, with the benefit of hindsight. And don't forget the Violence Against Women Act was a subset. I guess Biden should have voted against that?my2hands said:
Ahhhhhh, not really.... Joe is a moderate.... nobody considers him a liberal, and they shouldn't... he is s solid moderare dem.... the iraq war vote being near the top of the list and the crime bill, etc......mrussel1 said:
Haha, that's a good joke, and seems to be true this year. Although, it seems to be the progressives. Biden would be considered a liberal I think, under today's nomenclature.Spiritual_Chaos said:
If I got a nickel every time I did that to myself.mrussel1 said:BTW - your second paragraph is way overstated and blows up what could have been a pretty good argument.
Anyways, the only difference between a liberal and a cannibal is that cannibals don't eat their friends and family. I've heard.
I would not consider Joe to be a liberal or progressive, which i feel are the same thing
Oh and FYI, Sanders voted for it too. I guess he's a moderate.
Lighten up
Some people on here always have to throw a jab or try to talk slick, like this unnecessary condescending remark.
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It's always the same two who are the victims here. Best to ignore and steer clear of the drama.oftenreading said:
Nope. It’s a factual remark, like I just said. Doesn’t matter what you think of it.cincybearcat said:
Oh c’mon. You went back to the original argument instead of dealing with your snide remark. You know you were making a snide remark, own it. Man - lots of people continue to do this sort of thing and never own it.oftenreading said:
Nope, you’re incorrect. Mrussell was not freaking out, he was providing information. Maybe you didn’t like that information, but that doesn’t mean he was freaking out, and it also doesn’t mean that people that point that out are condescending to you.my2hands said:
Last sentence is exhibit Aoftenreading said:
Where did you get that he’s freaking out? No freaking is apparent to me. Just information, which maybe you don’t like.my2hands said:
Dude why are you freaking out? Did i say being a moderate was a bad thing? Joe Biden is a moderate and has never been considered a liberal, not in the 80's, 90's, or 2000's... that's not good, thats not bad, thats just who he is... you support the guy because he's a fucking moderate and you want to lecture me? you act like you just learned who Joe Biden is? Lolmrussel1 said:
See this is a perfect example of the lack of historical perspective when evaluating people's positions. The Crime Bill was not considered a 'conservative/liberal' demarcation point when it came to pass. The cities were ravaged by crime and the leaders in the black community, including the majority of the Congressional Black Caucus, supported the bill. You can't judge their vote by what we know today, 30 friggin' years later, with the benefit of hindsight. And don't forget the Violence Against Women Act was a subset. I guess Biden should have voted against that?my2hands said:
Ahhhhhh, not really.... Joe is a moderate.... nobody considers him a liberal, and they shouldn't... he is s solid moderare dem.... the iraq war vote being near the top of the list and the crime bill, etc......mrussel1 said:
Haha, that's a good joke, and seems to be true this year. Although, it seems to be the progressives. Biden would be considered a liberal I think, under today's nomenclature.Spiritual_Chaos said:
If I got a nickel every time I did that to myself.mrussel1 said:BTW - your second paragraph is way overstated and blows up what could have been a pretty good argument.
Anyways, the only difference between a liberal and a cannibal is that cannibals don't eat their friends and family. I've heard.
I would not consider Joe to be a liberal or progressive, which i feel are the same thing
Oh and FYI, Sanders voted for it too. I guess he's a moderate.
Lighten up
Some people on here always have to throw a jab or try to talk slick, like this unnecessary condescending remark.
On topic, Warren is one of the smartest people to ever run for President (contrary to some opinions here). The US would be extremely fortunate to have her as their leader at this time.0 -
Oh please. “ Just information, which maybe you don’t like.“oftenreading said:
Nope. It’s a factual remark, like I just said. Doesn’t matter what you think of it.cincybearcat said:
Oh c’mon. You went back to the original argument instead of dealing with your snide remark. You know you were making a snide remark, own it. Man - lots of people continue to do this sort of thing and never own it.oftenreading said:
Nope, you’re incorrect. Mrussell was not freaking out, he was providing information. Maybe you didn’t like that information, but that doesn’t mean he was freaking out, and it also doesn’t mean that people that point that out are condescending to you.my2hands said:
Last sentence is exhibit Aoftenreading said:
Where did you get that he’s freaking out? No freaking is apparent to me. Just information, which maybe you don’t like.my2hands said:
Dude why are you freaking out? Did i say being a moderate was a bad thing? Joe Biden is a moderate and has never been considered a liberal, not in the 80's, 90's, or 2000's... that's not good, thats not bad, thats just who he is... you support the guy because he's a fucking moderate and you want to lecture me? you act like you just learned who Joe Biden is? Lolmrussel1 said:
See this is a perfect example of the lack of historical perspective when evaluating people's positions. The Crime Bill was not considered a 'conservative/liberal' demarcation point when it came to pass. The cities were ravaged by crime and the leaders in the black community, including the majority of the Congressional Black Caucus, supported the bill. You can't judge their vote by what we know today, 30 friggin' years later, with the benefit of hindsight. And don't forget the Violence Against Women Act was a subset. I guess Biden should have voted against that?my2hands said:
Ahhhhhh, not really.... Joe is a moderate.... nobody considers him a liberal, and they shouldn't... he is s solid moderare dem.... the iraq war vote being near the top of the list and the crime bill, etc......mrussel1 said:
Haha, that's a good joke, and seems to be true this year. Although, it seems to be the progressives. Biden would be considered a liberal I think, under today's nomenclature.Spiritual_Chaos said:
If I got a nickel every time I did that to myself.mrussel1 said:BTW - your second paragraph is way overstated and blows up what could have been a pretty good argument.
Anyways, the only difference between a liberal and a cannibal is that cannibals don't eat their friends and family. I've heard.
I would not consider Joe to be a liberal or progressive, which i feel are the same thing
Oh and FYI, Sanders voted for it too. I guess he's a moderate.
Lighten up
Some people on here always have to throw a jab or try to talk slick, like this unnecessary condescending remark.
Thats factual? Nope, that’s a snide remark you again aren’t owning. You like to pretend your shit don’t stink, but it’s pretty fucking smelly.hippiemom = goodness0 -
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So a back to Dem candidates. Is Joe Biden a moderate or liberal?
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