The Democratic Candidates

mrussel1

cincybearcat said:

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

mrussel1 said:

oftenreading said:

my2hands said:

brianlux said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

A 3rd candidate in the US is a vote for Trump. 

In a swing state, probably.  But in a state like California, where I vote, Iw as lucky last election be be able to vote for Stein with a clear conscience knowing Hillary would take the state.  The electoral college made that possible for me.

CM189191 said:

cincybearcat said:

No, by definition it is a vote for a 3rd party candidate.

Voting third party shows a lack of basic understanding of America's government.  We're a two party system.  Go back to civics class. 

We are primarily a two party system but not exclusively.  Otherwise the two independents in the Senate would be hallucinations, which they are not.  And why the "Go back to civics class"  sarcasm?  God, that kind of thing gets old around here. 

Go back to civics class ya commie!!!

And learn Cincy and Brian can vote for whoeverthefuck they want? 

If more people voted 3rd party, perhaps a 3rd party option could become viable, maybe even start picking up seats in congress and helping break this insane extreme partisan bullshit we have now....

Push the botton for whoever you want 

So, who was it that said they couldn’t vote for whoever they wanted? 

Careful now,  you'll be the third person to be told to fuck off on this thread.  It's a go to retort. 

Well, it’s not like I’ll crumble if that happens. 

It's very stern in nature. 

Awwww you offended? 

It is scary a bit. 

CM189191

cincybearcat said:

CM189191 said:

cincybearcat said:

CM189191 said:

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

oftenreading said:

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

If Bernie is the nominee I’ll be voting 3rd party.

I would think you're smarter than that.

He’s one of a few I do not believe I can vote for. 

So, essentially you like Trump more?

No I like a 3rd party candidate more. 

Before putting words in my mouth that I never said, try reading.

A 3rd candidate in the US is a vote for Trump. 

No, by definition it is a vote for a 3rd party candidate.

Voting third party shows a lack of basic understanding of America's government.  We're a two party system.  Go back to civics class. 

Hahaha go back to fuck off

Very astute counterpoint.  Yawn...

Well your point sucked. It got the answer it deserved 

Go back to civics class? Really? What an amazing observation.

Here is the deal, I think Bernie Sanders is just as bad as trump. Equal asshat.

Congrats, you've been horseshoed.

CM189191

CM189191 said:

cincybearcat said:

CM189191 said:

cincybearcat said:

CM189191 said:

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

oftenreading said:

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

If Bernie is the nominee I’ll be voting 3rd party.

I would think you're smarter than that.

He’s one of a few I do not believe I can vote for. 

So, essentially you like Trump more?

No I like a 3rd party candidate more. 

Before putting words in my mouth that I never said, try reading.

A 3rd candidate in the US is a vote for Trump. 

No, by definition it is a vote for a 3rd party candidate.

Voting third party shows a lack of basic understanding of America's government.  We're a two party system.  Go back to civics class. 

Hahaha go back to fuck off

Very astute counterpoint.  Yawn...

Well your point sucked. It got the answer it deserved 

Go back to civics class? Really? What an amazing observation.

Here is the deal, I think Bernie Sanders is just as bad as trump. Equal asshat.

Congrats, you've been horseshoed.

(It's the new useful idiot, in case you were wondering)

Spiritual_Chaos

cincybearcat said:

Here is the deal, I think Bernie Sanders is just as bad as trump. Equal asshat.

This would be impossible to believe, and at the same time be able to register and log onto an internet forum. 

It's on that level.

But maybe Bernie is proposing working against the fight on climate change like Trump does?
Missed Bernies tweet about the sound of wind power causing cancer, please point me to it @cincybearcat

my2hands

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:

brianlux said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

A 3rd candidate in the US is a vote for Trump. 

In a swing state, probably.  But in a state like California, where I vote, Iw as lucky last election be be able to vote for Stein with a clear conscience knowing Hillary would take the state.  The electoral college made that possible for me.

CM189191 said:

cincybearcat said:

No, by definition it is a vote for a 3rd party candidate.

Voting third party shows a lack of basic understanding of America's government.  We're a two party system.  Go back to civics class. 

We are primarily a two party system but not exclusively.  Otherwise the two independents in the Senate would be hallucinations, which they are not.  And why the "Go back to civics class"  sarcasm?  God, that kind of thing gets old around here. 

Go back to civics class ya commie!!!

And learn Cincy and Brian can vote for whoeverthefuck they want? 

If more people voted 3rd party, perhaps a 3rd party option could become viable, maybe even start picking up seats in congress and helping break this insane extreme partisan bullshit we have now....

Push the botton for whoever you want 

Uh yeah.  Keep dreaming.  Any year they will be viable... any year now. 

That's it, stay right in that neat little box we made for you and get nice and comfy.

I love when people have the audacity to lecture people about how to vote

You, you've been taught
Whipped into shape, now they got you in line
Stand behind the stripes
There will be order, so give it a good mind

CM189191

my2hands said:

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:

brianlux said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

A 3rd candidate in the US is a vote for Trump. 

In a swing state, probably.  But in a state like California, where I vote, Iw as lucky last election be be able to vote for Stein with a clear conscience knowing Hillary would take the state.  The electoral college made that possible for me.

CM189191 said:

cincybearcat said:

No, by definition it is a vote for a 3rd party candidate.

Voting third party shows a lack of basic understanding of America's government.  We're a two party system.  Go back to civics class. 

We are primarily a two party system but not exclusively.  Otherwise the two independents in the Senate would be hallucinations, which they are not.  And why the "Go back to civics class"  sarcasm?  God, that kind of thing gets old around here. 

Go back to civics class ya commie!!!

And learn Cincy and Brian can vote for whoeverthefuck they want? 

If more people voted 3rd party, perhaps a 3rd party option could become viable, maybe even start picking up seats in congress and helping break this insane extreme partisan bullshit we have now....

Push the botton for whoever you want 

Uh yeah.  Keep dreaming.  Any year they will be viable... any year now. 

That's it, stay right in that neat little box we made for you and get nice and comfy.

I love when people have the audacity to lecture people about how to vote

You, you've been taught
Whipped into shape, now they got you in line
Stand behind the stripes
There will be order, so give it a good mind

lack of basic understanding

my2hands

CM189191 said:

my2hands said:

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:

brianlux said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

A 3rd candidate in the US is a vote for Trump. 

In a swing state, probably.  But in a state like California, where I vote, Iw as lucky last election be be able to vote for Stein with a clear conscience knowing Hillary would take the state.  The electoral college made that possible for me.

CM189191 said:

cincybearcat said:

No, by definition it is a vote for a 3rd party candidate.

Voting third party shows a lack of basic understanding of America's government.  We're a two party system.  Go back to civics class. 

We are primarily a two party system but not exclusively.  Otherwise the two independents in the Senate would be hallucinations, which they are not.  And why the "Go back to civics class"  sarcasm?  God, that kind of thing gets old around here. 

Go back to civics class ya commie!!!

And learn Cincy and Brian can vote for whoeverthefuck they want? 

If more people voted 3rd party, perhaps a 3rd party option could become viable, maybe even start picking up seats in congress and helping break this insane extreme partisan bullshit we have now....

Push the botton for whoever you want 

Uh yeah.  Keep dreaming.  Any year they will be viable... any year now. 

That's it, stay right in that neat little box we made for you and get nice and comfy.

I love when people have the audacity to lecture people about how to vote

You, you've been taught
Whipped into shape, now they got you in line
Stand behind the stripes
There will be order, so give it a good mind

lack of basic understanding

Dear enlightened one, should i go back to civics class with Cincy? 

Lol fucking hilarious

Why you so scared? 

CM189191

my2hands said:

CM189191 said:

my2hands said:

mrussel1 said:

my2hands said:

brianlux said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

A 3rd candidate in the US is a vote for Trump. 

In a swing state, probably.  But in a state like California, where I vote, Iw as lucky last election be be able to vote for Stein with a clear conscience knowing Hillary would take the state.  The electoral college made that possible for me.

CM189191 said:

cincybearcat said:

No, by definition it is a vote for a 3rd party candidate.

Voting third party shows a lack of basic understanding of America's government.  We're a two party system.  Go back to civics class. 

We are primarily a two party system but not exclusively.  Otherwise the two independents in the Senate would be hallucinations, which they are not.  And why the "Go back to civics class"  sarcasm?  God, that kind of thing gets old around here. 

Go back to civics class ya commie!!!

And learn Cincy and Brian can vote for whoeverthefuck they want? 

If more people voted 3rd party, perhaps a 3rd party option could become viable, maybe even start picking up seats in congress and helping break this insane extreme partisan bullshit we have now....

Push the botton for whoever you want 

Uh yeah.  Keep dreaming.  Any year they will be viable... any year now. 

That's it, stay right in that neat little box we made for you and get nice and comfy.

I love when people have the audacity to lecture people about how to vote

You, you've been taught
Whipped into shape, now they got you in line
Stand behind the stripes
There will be order, so give it a good mind

lack of basic understanding

Dear enlightened one, should i go back to civics class with Cincy? 

Lol fucking hilarious

Why you so scared? 

Basic

Hi!

I wonder if the Iraq war vote is going to be an issue for Biden. While I ultimately voted for Hillary in general, it was the main reason I voted against her in the primary. If this gets brought up in debates, which I assume it will, I think this is an area where they will go after Biden. I wonder if this carries the same weight as it did in 2015. Personally for me it still is a major issue.

my2hands

We currently have 2 independents in the Senate... one of which is a vocal democratic socialist.... 

Perot got almost 20% in 1992, and was actually leading the polls in June until he self sabotaged his campaign..... of course the establishment, which loves the 1 party system charading as a 2 party system,  immediately took notice and made changes to ensure it would be much more difficult for anybody to dare challenge the system moving forward 

If Bloomberg ran a real campaign for 2020 as an independent, he just might take 1/3 of the vote and he just might win. 

By the way, your beloved current system handed us George W Bush and Donald Trump in 3 if the ladt 5 elections.... it might not be as awesome as you think

I love when people embrace the status quo and scream at people there is no other way,  i have zero respect for that shit. 

People are disgusted by the broken system, they are disgusted by the two parties, they are disgusted by both sides being sold to the highest bidder... why do you think an outsider just got elected POTUS? So if people didn't listen to you, weren't yelled at that they were wasting a vote, perhaps more would support a 3rd option... once that happened maybe a 3rd party candidate or two would pick up a congressional seat... and maybe from there people would see it wasn't a wasted vote, and maybe, just maybe, it would snowball and spread and give people hope for 3rd party/independent representation 

But no, the establishment will continue to rig the system to squash any chance of it and people like you will continue to belittle and mock those that don't embrace the status quo and dare think for themselves

I have no illusion of changing your mind, but you mocking and ridiculing those that think differently than you is shortsighted, and frankly a dick move 

mrussel1

my2hands said:

We currently have 2 independents in the Senate... one of which is a vocal democratic socialist.... 

Perot got almost 20% in 1992, and was actually leading the polls in June until he self sabotaged his campaign..... of course the establishment, which loves the 1 party system charading as a 2 party system,  immediately took notice and made changes to ensure it would be much more difficult for anybody to dare challenge the system moving forward 

If Bloomberg ran a real campaign for 2020 as an independent, he just might take 1/3 of the vote and he just might win. 

By the way, your beloved current system handed us George W Bush and Donald Trump in 3 if the ladt 5 elections.... it might not be as awesome as you think

I love when people embrace the status quo and scream at people there is no other way,  i have zero respect for that shit. 

People are disgusted by the broken system, they are disgusted by the two parties, they are disgusted by both sides being sold to the highest bidder... why do you think an outsider just got elected POTUS? So if people didn't listen to you, weren't yelled at that they were wasting a vote, perhaps more would support a 3rd option... once that happened maybe a 3rd party candidate or two would pick up a congressional seat... and maybe from there people would see it wasn't a wasted vote, and maybe, just maybe, it would snowball and spread and give people hope for 3rd party/independent representation 

But no, the establishment will continue to rig the system to squash any chance of it and people like you will continue to belittle and mock those that don't embrace the status quo and dare think for themselves

I have no illusion of changing your mind, but you mocking and ridiculing those that think differently than you is shortsighted, and frankly a dick move 

The Senate is a direct election.   That's not an appropriate comparison. 

mrussel1

And who said it was beloved? Im dealing with constitutional realities,  not dreams. 

my2hands

Maybe if you read what I've said on this instead of mocking and lecturing "dreamers" you would see that i'm not just talking about POTUS, i talked about it as a broad acceptance of 3rd party viability that COULD lead to picking up seats in Congress... local offices... maybe a governor or three... and build from there to break the 2 party gridlock.... i never said a 3rd party vote woukd lead to a 3rd party potus anytime soon... but all that would be accelerated if a 3rd party potus candidate got decent support, even 5% nationally would go a long way... and a lot of that also comes from people having the ability to support whatever candidate they choose, in any race they choose, without being ridiculed and lectured by you and any of the other faux civics teachers out there shaming people to participate in a 2 party sham

my2hands

And if Cincy doesnt support Bernie and his platform, he shouldnt vote for him just because he doesnt like the other major party candidate.... Cincy is educated, he pays attention, he has his personal political belief system, and i support him voting for whatever candidate he feels best aligns with his political beliefs

It's pretty fucking simple 

dignin

Naive is too kind a word to describe someone who would vote third party when Trump is on the ballot.

CM189191

my2hands said:

We currently have 2 independents in the Senate... one of which is a vocal democratic socialist.... 

Perot got almost 20% in 1992, and was actually leading the polls in June until he self sabotaged his campaign..... of course the establishment, which loves the 1 party system charading as a 2 party system,  immediately took notice and made changes to ensure it would be much more difficult for anybody to dare challenge the system moving forward 

If Bloomberg ran a real campaign for 2020 as an independent, he just might take 1/3 of the vote and he just might win. 

By the way, your beloved current system handed us George W Bush and Donald Trump in 3 if the ladt 5 elections.... it might not be as awesome as you think

I love when people embrace the status quo and scream at people there is no other way,  i have zero respect for that shit. 

People are disgusted by the broken system, they are disgusted by the two parties, they are disgusted by both sides being sold to the highest bidder... why do you think an outsider just got elected POTUS? So if people didn't listen to you, weren't yelled at that they were wasting a vote, perhaps more would support a 3rd option... once that happened maybe a 3rd party candidate or two would pick up a congressional seat... and maybe from there people would see it wasn't a wasted vote, and maybe, just maybe, it would snowball and spread and give people hope for 3rd party/independent representation 

But no, the establishment will continue to rig the system to squash any chance of it and people like you will continue to belittle and mock those that don't embrace the status quo and dare think for themselves

I have no illusion of changing your mind, but you mocking and ridiculing those that think differently than you is shortsighted, and frankly a dick move 

https://twitter.com/kelly2277/status/1047359966678589440?s=19

Congrats, you've been horseshoed also. How do they fit?

mrussel1

my2hands said:

Maybe if you read what I've said on this instead of mocking and lecturing "dreamers" you would see that i'm not just talking about POTUS, i talked about it as a broad acceptance of 3rd party viability that COULD lead to picking up seats in Congress... local offices... maybe a governor or three... and build from there to break the 2 party gridlock.... i never said a 3rd party vote woukd lead to a 3rd party potus anytime soon... but all that would be accelerated if a 3rd party potus candidate got decent support, even 5% nationally would go a long way... and a lot of that also comes from people having the ability to support whatever candidate they choose, in any race they choose, without being ridiculed and lectured by you and any of the other faux civics teachers out there shaming people to participate in a 2 party sham

So I'm sorry I offended you.  I'll be on the lookout for any of your posts that are too acerbic for the bar you just set above.  

The discussion was about the POTUS.  Third party candidates get 5% all the time.  They go nowhere nationally, they just split the party from whence that person came.  It's that simple due to the electoral college.  You can continue to dream the big dream above, but it's a waste under the electoral college system.  If a third party managed so many votes to deny a majority of electors, then it goes to the House, where the two party system takes over again.  If you had a big 3rd party there, then you would have a coalition government.  But we're not a parliamentary system, so it's not designed to support that process in an ongoing way with called elections, no confidence votes, etc.  The closest we came was when the Federalist party collapsed and four candidates ran for president from one party in 1824.  It led to the Corrupt Bargain and an immediate re-forming of a second national party (National Republican). That's the natural end under our designed system.  

Your dream would be better served eliminating the Electoral College, leading to a true multi-party system.  But it ain't happening under this system today.  Happy with that answer?  I figured it was self-evident to be honest.  

benjs

my2hands said:

And if Cincy doesnt support Bernie and his platform, he shouldnt vote for him just because he doesnt like the other major party candidate.... Cincy is educated, he pays attention, he has his personal political belief system, and i support him voting for whatever candidate he feels best aligns with his political beliefs

It's pretty fucking simple 

If people want to vote their consciences because they feel that the system can weather the storm that is current American politics, that's their right; but if you think the decision to vote your conscience is simple, you're ignoring a hell of a lot of current context to reach that conclusion. Everyone should know that a vote is a gamble that affects the odds of the game with every action or inaction, should very seriously consider the impact of their vote (and not just their candidate preference). I disagree with your trivializing of that decision and saying "ignore the relative influence of your vote and just go based on what's in your heart because there's absolutely no way for someone to take advantage of that and bring more corruption into a shitty system". That's just sunshine and lollipops talk.

Meltdown99

Did someone say horseshoe?

cincybearcat

This place is fucking nuts.

Because there is actually a Democrat or 2/3 that I won’t vote for I’m:

1) Horseshoed...what a stupid label but I’m not surprised people around here like to pretend they hate labels and then that’s all they fucking do.
2) I do not understand the election system
3) naive - no wait that is too kind... what word would you use then tough guy? Say it and don’t be a pansy.

How about this, nominate an electable democrat. I’ll be voting in the dem primary...hoping for a candidate to come out that I can vote for. I can probably vote for 90% of them. But if they want to take the party to the crazy left I can’t vote it. And I won’t. And I can’t nor will I vote for trump.