Town halls just ok for me so far. I think Pete’s gonna bring it tonight.
You're missing hockey. Plenty of time for politics later!
The Tigers have a doubleheader today so maybe I’ll take a break then. I fell asleep during Harris’s town hall. Did anybody watch Pete? Just wondering how he did because I wasn’t that impressed with any of the other 3 1/2 I watched.
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Town halls just ok for me so far. I think Pete’s gonna bring it tonight.
You're missing hockey. Plenty of time for politics later!
The Tigers have a doubleheader today so maybe I’ll take a break then. I fell asleep during Harris’s town hall. Did anybody watch Pete? Just wondering how he did because I wasn’t that impressed with any of the other 3 1/2 I watched.
He's turning more and more into a robot the more I see of him. Same answers, clearly thought out and planned.
Mayor Pete looks like he's 15... i like the guy so far, but would be worried to death running a 15yo in the general. He just looks WAY too young, and i think it would hurt him
He needs a beard asap lol
LOL
Yeah, Pete a young 'un but (I think I mentioned this elsewhere) good leader can be young: William Pitt the Younger is a prime example. He became Prime Minister of England at the ripe old age of 24 and, along with other fine accomplishments, supported William Wilberforce in abolishing slavery in Great Britain. A young, ambitious motivated, intelligent younger person may be just the thing this ailing country needs.
I'm not worried about if he would be a great leader, furst i need to know if he can win the general... he is young, but he looks even younger and that scares me with tge general electorate
ugh. Bernie Sanders is starting to wear thin on me. He just said he would be in favor of felons having the right to vote while IN prison.
In a functional democracy, that is not an uncommon right or an uncommon stance to have. Don't see how that can be seen as outrageous by someone in a functional democracy. Agree or not.
I do understand though, you have never experienced a functional democracy.
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
"My father fled Soviet Union, how can you defend proposing Social Democratic ideas that make a bunch of European countries work a lot better than ours?"
Why all these stupid questions in that town hall.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
ugh. Bernie Sanders is starting to wear thin on me. He just said he would be in favor of felons having the right to vote while IN prison.
In a functional democracy, that is not an uncommon right or an uncommon stance to have. Don't see how that can be seen as outrageous by someone in a functional democracy. Agree or not.
I do understand though, you have never experienced a functional democracy.
I can’t give a rats ass what you and your high horse are saying, felons should not vote. Period.
ugh. Bernie Sanders is starting to wear thin on me. He just said he would be in favor of felons having the right to vote while IN prison.
In a functional democracy, that is not an uncommon right or an uncommon stance to have. Don't see how that can be seen as outrageous by someone in a functional democracy. Agree or not.
I do understand though, you have never experienced a functional democracy.
I can’t give a rats ass what you and your high horse are saying, felons should not vote. Period.
In The Banana Republic Of America maybe that would not cross your mind. Period.
(I personally do not see it as clear cut right either)
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
ugh. Bernie Sanders is starting to wear thin on me. He just said he would be in favor of felons having the right to vote while IN prison.
In a functional democracy, that is not an uncommon right or an uncommon stance to have. Don't see how that can be seen as outrageous by someone in a functional democracy. Agree or not.
I do understand though, you have never experienced a functional democracy.
I can’t give a rats ass what you and your high horse are saying, felons should not vote. Period.
Besides it being just what we have been doing, what reason is there for them not to be allowed to vote? I can see not allowing someone to vote who is committed to a mental or state institution, but beyond that, why shouldn't felons be allowed to vote? Millions of people who have done much worse deeds than some of the incarcerated individuals you are referring to are still voting. I think the rule that felons not be allowed to vote doesn't make any sense anymore. It's too generic.
ugh. Bernie Sanders is starting to wear thin on me. He just said he would be in favor of felons having the right to vote while IN prison.
In a functional democracy, that is not an uncommon right or an uncommon stance to have. Don't see how that can be seen as outrageous by someone in a functional democracy. Agree or not.
I do understand though, you have never experienced a functional democracy.
I can’t give a rats ass what you and your high horse are saying, felons should not vote. Period.
Besides it being just what we have been doing, what reason is there for them not to be allowed to vote? I can see not allowing someone to vote who is committed to a mental or state institution, but beyond that, why shouldn't felons be allowed to vote? Millions of people who have done much worse deeds than some of the incarcerated individuals you are referring to are still voting. I think the rule that felons not be allowed to vote doesn't make any sense anymore. It's too generic.
I think if they served their time they should be able to vote but not while they are incarcerated.
ugh. Bernie Sanders is starting to wear thin on me. He just said he would be in favor of felons having the right to vote while IN prison.
In a functional democracy, that is not an uncommon right or an uncommon stance to have. Don't see how that can be seen as outrageous by someone in a functional democracy. Agree or not.
I do understand though, you have never experienced a functional democracy.
I can’t give a rats ass what you and your high horse are saying, felons should not vote. Period.
Besides it being just what we have been doing, what reason is there for them not to be allowed to vote? I can see not allowing someone to vote who is committed to a mental or state institution, but beyond that, why shouldn't felons be allowed to vote? Millions of people who have done much worse deeds than some of the incarcerated individuals you are referring to are still voting. I think the rule that felons not be allowed to vote doesn't make any sense anymore. It's too generic.
I think if they served their time they should be able to vote but not while they are incarcerated.
ugh. Bernie Sanders is starting to wear thin on me. He just said he would be in favor of felons having the right to vote while IN prison.
In a functional democracy, that is not an uncommon right or an uncommon stance to have. Don't see how that can be seen as outrageous by someone in a functional democracy. Agree or not.
I do understand though, you have never experienced a functional democracy.
I can’t give a rats ass what you and your high horse are saying, felons should not vote. Period.
Besides it being just what we have been doing, what reason is there for them not to be allowed to vote? I can see not allowing someone to vote who is committed to a mental or state institution, but beyond that, why shouldn't felons be allowed to vote? Millions of people who have done much worse deeds than some of the incarcerated individuals you are referring to are still voting. I think the rule that felons not be allowed to vote doesn't make any sense anymore. It's too generic.
I think if they served their time they should be able to vote but not while they are incarcerated.
This is my belief as well. Why would we let someone vote that doesn't even get to decide when they can eat, sleep, etc. Allowing inmates to vote seems pretty crazy to me. But if someone has an interesting point as to why I'd like to hear it.
ugh. Bernie Sanders is starting to wear thin on me. He just said he would be in favor of felons having the right to vote while IN prison.
In a functional democracy, that is not an uncommon right or an uncommon stance to have. Don't see how that can be seen as outrageous by someone in a functional democracy. Agree or not.
I do understand though, you have never experienced a functional democracy.
I can’t give a rats ass what you and your high horse are saying, felons should not vote. Period.
Besides it being just what we have been doing, what reason is there for them not to be allowed to vote? I can see not allowing someone to vote who is committed to a mental or state institution, but beyond that, why shouldn't felons be allowed to vote? Millions of people who have done much worse deeds than some of the incarcerated individuals you are referring to are still voting. I think the rule that felons not be allowed to vote doesn't make any sense anymore. It's too generic.
I think if they served their time they should be able to vote but not while they are incarcerated.
Like most things to do with the criminal justice system, the US is among the most, if not the most, restrictive worldwide regarding voting rights for those convicted of crimes, whether in custody or out of custody. However, it's not a blanket restriction; it varies state to state, and two states allow felons to vote in prison. Other ban voting in prison but allow voting upon release, or upon completion of parole, or after a waiting period, or upon special application and review, etc.
There is no real, logical reason to deny the right to vote to incarcerated people. It's really just an additional punitive measure - "you can't do this thing that we otherwise ask citizens to do". It's one of those "tough on crime" measures that feels appealing to many but in fact makes people even more disengaged from society and less invested in trying to improve things. In many states it has been deliberately crafted to disproportionately disenfranchise black voters, as certain minor crimes carry lengthy disenfranchisement.
And in response to another point up above, I work with people with serious mental illness, and they make their voting decisions about as well as the average person. Just because someone has mental illness does not automatically mean they are incapable of understanding social and political issues. In fact, they often understand them very well, usually from the disadvantaged side of the equation.
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Me too...in theory you've "paid your debt to society." You can work...and be taxed. You should be able to vote.
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ugh. Bernie Sanders is starting to wear thin on me. He just said he would be in favor of felons having the right to vote while IN prison.
In a functional democracy, that is not an uncommon right or an uncommon stance to have. Don't see how that can be seen as outrageous by someone in a functional democracy. Agree or not.
I do understand though, you have never experienced a functional democracy.
I can’t give a rats ass what you and your high horse are saying, felons should not vote. Period.
Besides it being just what we have been doing, what reason is there for them not to be allowed to vote? I can see not allowing someone to vote who is committed to a mental or state institution, but beyond that, why shouldn't felons be allowed to vote? Millions of people who have done much worse deeds than some of the incarcerated individuals you are referring to are still voting. I think the rule that felons not be allowed to vote doesn't make any sense anymore. It's too generic.
I think if they served their time they should be able to vote but not while they are incarcerated.
This is my belief as well. Why would we let someone vote that doesn't even get to decide when they can eat, sleep, etc. Allowing inmates to vote seems pretty crazy to me. But if someone has an interesting point as to why I'd like to hear it.
Because it is seen as a fundamental right of every citizen. Fundamental. Are people in prison also revoked of their citizenship?
There you have one point.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
ugh. Bernie Sanders is starting to wear thin on me. He just said he would be in favor of felons having the right to vote while IN prison.
In a functional democracy, that is not an uncommon right or an uncommon stance to have. Don't see how that can be seen as outrageous by someone in a functional democracy. Agree or not.
I do understand though, you have never experienced a functional democracy.
I can’t give a rats ass what you and your high horse are saying, felons should not vote. Period.
Besides it being just what we have been doing, what reason is there for them not to be allowed to vote? I can see not allowing someone to vote who is committed to a mental or state institution, but beyond that, why shouldn't felons be allowed to vote? Millions of people who have done much worse deeds than some of the incarcerated individuals you are referring to are still voting. I think the rule that felons not be allowed to vote doesn't make any sense anymore. It's too generic.
I think if they served their time they should be able to vote but not while they are incarcerated.
This is my belief as well. Why would we let someone vote that doesn't even get to decide when they can eat, sleep, etc. Allowing inmates to vote seems pretty crazy to me. But if someone has an interesting point as to why I'd like to hear it.
Because it is seen as a fundamental right of every citizen. Fundamental. Are people in prison also revoked of their citizenship?
There you have one point.
My gut says that those who have "paid the debt to society" should vote and those that are incarcerated should not. But I cannot quite articulately defend it. If someone's doing 18 months for burglary, then the election impacts their lives as a free person...but if they're doing life, there's not really as much reason to let them vote. I suppose those people would be one-issue-voters (crime/punishment/prison issues).
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ugh. Bernie Sanders is starting to wear thin on me. He just said he would be in favor of felons having the right to vote while IN prison.
In a functional democracy, that is not an uncommon right or an uncommon stance to have. Don't see how that can be seen as outrageous by someone in a functional democracy. Agree or not.
I do understand though, you have never experienced a functional democracy.
I can’t give a rats ass what you and your high horse are saying, felons should not vote. Period.
Besides it being just what we have been doing, what reason is there for them not to be allowed to vote? I can see not allowing someone to vote who is committed to a mental or state institution, but beyond that, why shouldn't felons be allowed to vote? Millions of people who have done much worse deeds than some of the incarcerated individuals you are referring to are still voting. I think the rule that felons not be allowed to vote doesn't make any sense anymore. It's too generic.
I think if they served their time they should be able to vote but not while they are incarcerated.
This is my belief as well. Why would we let someone vote that doesn't even get to decide when they can eat, sleep, etc. Allowing inmates to vote seems pretty crazy to me. But if someone has an interesting point as to why I'd like to hear it.
Because it is seen as a fundamental right of every citizen. Fundamental. Are people in prison also revoked of their citizenship?
There you have one point.
My gut says that those who have "paid the debt to society" should vote and those that are incarcerated should not. But I cannot quite articulately defend it. If someone's doing 18 months for burglary, then the election impacts their lives as a free person...but if they're doing life, there's not really as much reason to let them vote. I suppose those people would be one-issue-voters (crime/punishment/prison issues).
There are countries who do not let people serving time for life vote, but other prisoners.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
ugh. Bernie Sanders is starting to wear thin on me. He just said he would be in favor of felons having the right to vote while IN prison.
In a functional democracy, that is not an uncommon right or an uncommon stance to have. Don't see how that can be seen as outrageous by someone in a functional democracy. Agree or not.
I do understand though, you have never experienced a functional democracy.
I can’t give a rats ass what you and your high horse are saying, felons should not vote. Period.
Besides it being just what we have been doing, what reason is there for them not to be allowed to vote? I can see not allowing someone to vote who is committed to a mental or state institution, but beyond that, why shouldn't felons be allowed to vote? Millions of people who have done much worse deeds than some of the incarcerated individuals you are referring to are still voting. I think the rule that felons not be allowed to vote doesn't make any sense anymore. It's too generic.
I think if they served their time they should be able to vote but not while they are incarcerated.
This is my belief as well. Why would we let someone vote that doesn't even get to decide when they can eat, sleep, etc. Allowing inmates to vote seems pretty crazy to me. But if someone has an interesting point as to why I'd like to hear it.
Because it is seen as a fundamental right of every citizen. Fundamental. Are people in prison also revoked of their citizenship?
There you have one point.
My gut says that those who have "paid the debt to society" should vote and those that are incarcerated should not. But I cannot quite articulately defend it. If someone's doing 18 months for burglary, then the election impacts their lives as a free person...but if they're doing life, there's not really as much reason to let them vote. I suppose those people would be one-issue-voters (crime/punishment/prison issues).
Why do you suppose they would be "one issue voters"?
Unlike what most of society thinks of people in jail or prison, inmates often have some ties to the community. They have parents, siblings, spouses, children, friend. They often want the same things in life that the rest of us want, and if not for themselves, for people they care about. Being in prison doesn't automatically mean that someone is unrepentantly evil and hoping for the downfall of humanity.
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Who cares if criminals can vote. Life is about choices, they made theirs...now they have to deal with it. However, I do not see inmates causing uprising over whether they can vote or not...
ugh. Bernie Sanders is starting to wear thin on me. He just said he would be in favor of felons having the right to vote while IN prison.
In a functional democracy, that is not an uncommon right or an uncommon stance to have. Don't see how that can be seen as outrageous by someone in a functional democracy. Agree or not.
I do understand though, you have never experienced a functional democracy.
I can’t give a rats ass what you and your high horse are saying, felons should not vote. Period.
Besides it being just what we have been doing, what reason is there for them not to be allowed to vote? I can see not allowing someone to vote who is committed to a mental or state institution, but beyond that, why shouldn't felons be allowed to vote? Millions of people who have done much worse deeds than some of the incarcerated individuals you are referring to are still voting. I think the rule that felons not be allowed to vote doesn't make any sense anymore. It's too generic.
I think if they served their time they should be able to vote but not while they are incarcerated.
This is my belief as well. Why would we let someone vote that doesn't even get to decide when they can eat, sleep, etc. Allowing inmates to vote seems pretty crazy to me. But if someone has an interesting point as to why I'd like to hear it.
Because it is seen as a fundamental right of every citizen. Fundamental. Are people in prison also revoked of their citizenship?
There you have one point.
No, but they have rights taken away. They are not living in society while incarcerated. It seems reasonable to me that they lose their voting rights while in prison and not a part of society at large and the regain them when they are released and rejoin society.
ugh. Bernie Sanders is starting to wear thin on me. He just said he would be in favor of felons having the right to vote while IN prison.
In a functional democracy, that is not an uncommon right or an uncommon stance to have. Don't see how that can be seen as outrageous by someone in a functional democracy. Agree or not.
I do understand though, you have never experienced a functional democracy.
I can’t give a rats ass what you and your high horse are saying, felons should not vote. Period.
Besides it being just what we have been doing, what reason is there for them not to be allowed to vote? I can see not allowing someone to vote who is committed to a mental or state institution, but beyond that, why shouldn't felons be allowed to vote? Millions of people who have done much worse deeds than some of the incarcerated individuals you are referring to are still voting. I think the rule that felons not be allowed to vote doesn't make any sense anymore. It's too generic.
I think if they served their time they should be able to vote but not while they are incarcerated.
This is my belief as well. Why would we let someone vote that doesn't even get to decide when they can eat, sleep, etc. Allowing inmates to vote seems pretty crazy to me. But if someone has an interesting point as to why I'd like to hear it.
Because it is seen as a fundamental right of every citizen. Fundamental. Are people in prison also revoked of their citizenship?
There you have one point.
No, but they have rights taken away. They are not living in society while incarcerated. It seems reasonable to me that they lose their voting rights while in prison and not a part of society at large and the regain them when they are released and rejoin society.
Well, if they are part of society or not could be the POV:s that give you these different opinions on the subject. maybe.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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... why should Bernie even have to answer this... (good answer though)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox9IT0AKaTo
I fell asleep during Harris’s town hall. Did anybody watch Pete? Just wondering how he did because I wasn’t that impressed with any of the other 3 1/2 I watched.
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More life in Bernies.
But of the stuff I saw he did good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAWVY7PXR0E
Come on Bernie.
Student loan forgiveness Senator Warren? You have to be kidding me.
Booker suggests reparations for descendants of slaves? What the heck?
The Democrats just can't seem to get their shit together.
I do understand though, you have never experienced a functional democracy.
Stupid primary process makes candidates pander to the radical part of their party.
Why all these stupid questions in that town hall.
I get that is almost unheard of in politics. And I don't see Booker as someone doing it. But still.
(I personally do not see it as clear cut right either)
There is no real, logical reason to deny the right to vote to incarcerated people. It's really just an additional punitive measure - "you can't do this thing that we otherwise ask citizens to do". It's one of those "tough on crime" measures that feels appealing to many but in fact makes people even more disengaged from society and less invested in trying to improve things. In many states it has been deliberately crafted to disproportionately disenfranchise black voters, as certain minor crimes carry lengthy disenfranchisement.
And in response to another point up above, I work with people with serious mental illness, and they make their voting decisions about as well as the average person. Just because someone has mental illness does not automatically mean they are incapable of understanding social and political issues. In fact, they often understand them very well, usually from the disadvantaged side of the equation.
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There you have one point.
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Why do you suppose they would be "one issue voters"?
Unlike what most of society thinks of people in jail or prison, inmates often have some ties to the community. They have parents, siblings, spouses, children, friend. They often want the same things in life that the rest of us want, and if not for themselves, for people they care about. Being in prison doesn't automatically mean that someone is unrepentantly evil and hoping for the downfall of humanity.