The Democratic Candidates

Spiritual_Chaos

Meltdown99 said:

HAHA!

Spiritual_Chaos

First episode of Bernie Sanders election pod:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K11acMGsX_M

my2hands

Jason P said:

It appears the biggest debate on the candidates so far is their gender, race, age and sexual orientation.  All stufff that is determined by fate. 

Welcome to full blown identity politics

my2hands

PJ_Soul said:

I call bullshit on their fuzzy math.... i guess we want to forget Biden & Bernie have been elected officials forever and have won more elections than the rest of the list combined, men & women? 

Did i forget to mention Biden was also on a succesful Presidential ticket twice?

I fully support female candidates, but that list is junk, and biased

PJ_Soul

my2hands said:

PJ_Soul said:

I call bullshit on their fuzzy math.... i guess we want to forget Biden & Bernie have been elected officials forever and have won more elections than the rest of the list combined, men & women? 

Did i forget to mention Biden was also on a succesful Presidential ticket twice?

I fully support female candidates, but that list is junk, and biased

Nobody wants to forget anything. It's a tweet (a factual one), so chill. I do agree with the point it's making though.

Speaking of bias..........

It’s the Sexism, Stupid

Why men are dominating the Democratic 2020 primary.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/11/its-the-sexism-stupid-226620?fbclid=IwAR0kZzBqtR4RbGvW2p64SMtwcHraoGbPIEW5fh5XvUfm00LRpR3ZCkm5BJ4

my2hands

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

PJ_Soul said:

I call bullshit on their fuzzy math.... i guess we want to forget Biden & Bernie have been elected officials forever and have won more elections than the rest of the list combined, men & women? 

Did i forget to mention Biden was also on a succesful Presidential ticket twice?

I fully support female candidates, but that list is junk, and biased

Nobody wants to forget anything. It's a tweet (a factual one), so chill. I do agree with the point it's making though.

Speaking of bias..........

It’s the Sexism, Stupid

Why men are dominating the Democratic 2020 primary.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/11/its-the-sexism-stupid-226620?fbclid=IwAR0kZzBqtR4RbGvW2p64SMtwcHraoGbPIEW5fh5XvUfm00LRpR3ZCkm5BJ4

Joe & Bernie have massive name recognition advantage over the field... i don't buy it, and i cant stand that we go looking for sexism and racism to explain everything, although sometimes real, it is WAY overplayed. You know my stance on females in politics, i'm all about it. Maybe they need a better candidate with better name recognition? If Michelle was in this race, you think she wouldn't be getting all the press and likely poll as a favorite?

Was sexism at play when a female received more votes than anybody ever not named Barack? 

mrussel1

Michelle would roll to the nomination. 

PJ_Soul

my2hands said:

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

PJ_Soul said:

I call bullshit on their fuzzy math.... i guess we want to forget Biden & Bernie have been elected officials forever and have won more elections than the rest of the list combined, men & women? 

Did i forget to mention Biden was also on a succesful Presidential ticket twice?

I fully support female candidates, but that list is junk, and biased

Nobody wants to forget anything. It's a tweet (a factual one), so chill. I do agree with the point it's making though.

Speaking of bias..........

It’s the Sexism, Stupid

Why men are dominating the Democratic 2020 primary.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/11/its-the-sexism-stupid-226620?fbclid=IwAR0kZzBqtR4RbGvW2p64SMtwcHraoGbPIEW5fh5XvUfm00LRpR3ZCkm5BJ4

Joe & Bernie have massive name recognition advantage over the field... i don't buy it, and i cant stand that we go looking for sexism and racism to explain everything, although sometimes real, it is WAY overplayed. You know my stance on females in politics, i'm all about it. Maybe they need a better candidate with better name recognition? If Michelle was in this race, you think she wouldn't be getting all the press and likely poll as a favorite?

Was sexism at play when a female received more votes than anybody ever not named Barack? 

One case of non-sexism doesn't debunk sexism. Obviously. Especially not when TRUMP was the competition.

OnWis97

mrussel1 said:

Michelle would roll to the nomination. 

Maybe.  And she'd get clobbered in the general.

mrussel1

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

PJ_Soul said:

my2hands said:

PJ_Soul said:

I call bullshit on their fuzzy math.... i guess we want to forget Biden & Bernie have been elected officials forever and have won more elections than the rest of the list combined, men & women? 

Did i forget to mention Biden was also on a succesful Presidential ticket twice?

I fully support female candidates, but that list is junk, and biased

Nobody wants to forget anything. It's a tweet (a factual one), so chill. I do agree with the point it's making though.

Speaking of bias..........

It’s the Sexism, Stupid

Why men are dominating the Democratic 2020 primary.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/04/11/its-the-sexism-stupid-226620?fbclid=IwAR0kZzBqtR4RbGvW2p64SMtwcHraoGbPIEW5fh5XvUfm00LRpR3ZCkm5BJ4

Joe & Bernie have massive name recognition advantage over the field... i don't buy it, and i cant stand that we go looking for sexism and racism to explain everything, although sometimes real, it is WAY overplayed. You know my stance on females in politics, i'm all about it. Maybe they need a better candidate with better name recognition? If Michelle was in this race, you think she wouldn't be getting all the press and likely poll as a favorite?

Was sexism at play when a female received more votes than anybody ever not named Barack? 

One case of non-sexism doesn't debunk sexism. Obviously.

I'm sure there is sexism in voting,  but it's impossible to quantify without more data.  Just because 12% crossed over to vote the man doesn't mean that 11% did it for that reason.  That's the reason I don't like these articles,  or two hands statement earlier that the black vote regressed in 2016 mainly, only, or primarily because Obama wasn't on the ticket. 

what dreams

Ledbetterman10 said:

my2hands said:

It will be Joe with a minority VP, likely a woman... 

$20 says Team Hillary realizes Kaine was a bad VP choice and should have gone with a minority instead

Or Bernie for that matter. It would've showed that she can debate and disagree with someone but still work with them (unlike Trump who at the time was just stomping on the throats of his GOP adversaries), and more importantly, the Bernie supporters that didn't bother to vote in the general election would have come out to vote him to the Vice-Presidency. But I'd take your $20 bet because I haven't seen Hillary take any accountability for losing the election. So I doubt she'd acknowledge that Kaine wasn't the right choice.

Her campaign autobiography. Read it. She takes full responsibility 

Ledbetterman10

what dreams said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

my2hands said:

It will be Joe with a minority VP, likely a woman... 

$20 says Team Hillary realizes Kaine was a bad VP choice and should have gone with a minority instead

Or Bernie for that matter. It would've showed that she can debate and disagree with someone but still work with them (unlike Trump who at the time was just stomping on the throats of his GOP adversaries), and more importantly, the Bernie supporters that didn't bother to vote in the general election would have come out to vote him to the Vice-Presidency. But I'd take your $20 bet because I haven't seen Hillary take any accountability for losing the election. So I doubt she'd acknowledge that Kaine wasn't the right choice.

Her campaign autobiography. Read it. She takes full responsibility 

I will absolute not be reading that. But I'll take your word for it. 

All I know is she publicly has blamed sexism. And suggested that the reason she lost white women was men made their wives/daughters vote for Trump.

mickeyrat

Sen Harris article.....

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/05/kamala-harris-2020-campaign/586033/?utm_source=pocket-newtab

Spiritual_Chaos

BUTTAGJEDJE!

Spiritual_Chaos

Buddajudge looks like Alfred E Neuman.

what dreams

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Buddajudge looks like Alfred E Neuman.

Oh my gosh, yes!! It's been plaguing my brain trying to place his familiar face. That's it!!!  Hahaha. Thanks.

what dreams

Ledbetterman10 said:

what dreams said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

my2hands said:

It will be Joe with a minority VP, likely a woman... 

$20 says Team Hillary realizes Kaine was a bad VP choice and should have gone with a minority instead

Or Bernie for that matter. It would've showed that she can debate and disagree with someone but still work with them (unlike Trump who at the time was just stomping on the throats of his GOP adversaries), and more importantly, the Bernie supporters that didn't bother to vote in the general election would have come out to vote him to the Vice-Presidency. But I'd take your $20 bet because I haven't seen Hillary take any accountability for losing the election. So I doubt she'd acknowledge that Kaine wasn't the right choice.

Her campaign autobiography. Read it. She takes full responsibility 

I will absolute not be reading that. But I'll take your word for it. 

All I know is she publicly has blamed sexism. And suggested that the reason she lost white women was men made their wives/daughters vote for Trump.

Yeah, I guess the world is complicated like. Go figure -- someone trying to evaluate a major disappointment in her life, so much so that she called her book WHAT HAPPENED. And she opens the introduction by taking full responsibility for the loss, because she was the head of the campaign and it was her job to win. She knows that. She says that. You wouldn't have to read much more than ten pages to get that. But as usual, the fucking media and its compliant consumers tell and believe whatever 30-second story confirms their bias against her. 

It's unfortunate you won't check it out from the library. It was actually quite a fascinating look at a handful of the major issues she campaigned on -- not just an autobiography. I learned a lot. I cried a lot -- because she is brilliant, and it bothers me that the world, starting way back in the 1990s, just can't take that kind of brilliance from a female seeking power. 

Halifax2TheMax

what dreams said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

what dreams said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

my2hands said:

It will be Joe with a minority VP, likely a woman... 

$20 says Team Hillary realizes Kaine was a bad VP choice and should have gone with a minority instead

Or Bernie for that matter. It would've showed that she can debate and disagree with someone but still work with them (unlike Trump who at the time was just stomping on the throats of his GOP adversaries), and more importantly, the Bernie supporters that didn't bother to vote in the general election would have come out to vote him to the Vice-Presidency. But I'd take your $20 bet because I haven't seen Hillary take any accountability for losing the election. So I doubt she'd acknowledge that Kaine wasn't the right choice.

Her campaign autobiography. Read it. She takes full responsibility 

I will absolute not be reading that. But I'll take your word for it. 

All I know is she publicly has blamed sexism. And suggested that the reason she lost white women was men made their wives/daughters vote for Trump.

Yeah, I guess the world is complicated like. Go figure -- someone trying to evaluate a major disappointment in her life, so much so that she called her book WHAT HAPPENED. And she opens the introduction by taking full responsibility for the loss, because she was the head of the campaign and it was her job to win. She knows that. She says that. You wouldn't have to read much more than ten pages to get that. But as usual, the fucking media and its compliant consumers tell and believe whatever 30-second story confirms their bias against her. 

It's unfortunate you won't check it out from the library. It was actually quite a fascinating look at a handful of the major issues she campaigned on -- not just an autobiography. I learned a lot. I cried a lot -- because she is brilliant, and it bothers me that the world, starting way back in the 1990s, just can't take that kind of brilliance from a female seeking power. 

I wouldn’t characterize it as “seeking power,” but rather, “seeking to lead.” Power comes with the position and responsibility to use it wisely, something Team Trump Treason doesn’t grasp.
 

what dreams

Halifax2TheMax said:

what dreams said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

what dreams said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

my2hands said:

It will be Joe with a minority VP, likely a woman... 

$20 says Team Hillary realizes Kaine was a bad VP choice and should have gone with a minority instead

Or Bernie for that matter. It would've showed that she can debate and disagree with someone but still work with them (unlike Trump who at the time was just stomping on the throats of his GOP adversaries), and more importantly, the Bernie supporters that didn't bother to vote in the general election would have come out to vote him to the Vice-Presidency. But I'd take your $20 bet because I haven't seen Hillary take any accountability for losing the election. So I doubt she'd acknowledge that Kaine wasn't the right choice.

Her campaign autobiography. Read it. She takes full responsibility 

I will absolute not be reading that. But I'll take your word for it. 

All I know is she publicly has blamed sexism. And suggested that the reason she lost white women was men made their wives/daughters vote for Trump.

Yeah, I guess the world is complicated like. Go figure -- someone trying to evaluate a major disappointment in her life, so much so that she called her book WHAT HAPPENED. And she opens the introduction by taking full responsibility for the loss, because she was the head of the campaign and it was her job to win. She knows that. She says that. You wouldn't have to read much more than ten pages to get that. But as usual, the fucking media and its compliant consumers tell and believe whatever 30-second story confirms their bias against her. 

It's unfortunate you won't check it out from the library. It was actually quite a fascinating look at a handful of the major issues she campaigned on -- not just an autobiography. I learned a lot. I cried a lot -- because she is brilliant, and it bothers me that the world, starting way back in the 1990s, just can't take that kind of brilliance from a female seeking power. 

I wouldn’t characterize it as “seeking power,” but rather, “seeking to lead.” Power comes with the position and responsibility to use it wisely, something Team Trump Treason doesn’t grasp.
 

Fair enough -- good clarification

brianlux

So what do you all think of Bernie being the front-runner?  Too early to matter?  Can he continue to grow his support?  Can he beat Trump?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/13/bernie-sanders-2020-democratic-race