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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    cincybearcat said:
    Oh for fucks sake this place is nuts.


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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,681
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Oh for fucks sake this place is nuts.


    You’re just now figuring that out?
    And it seems that he has some kind of problem with that, haha. :pensive:
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,681
    edited April 2019
    my2hands said:
    dignin said:
    my2hands said:
    Jason P said:
    If Trump exhibited the same behavior as Biden there would be a 100 page thread on it right now.
    That's all i'm saying... it's blatant bias... if Joe was GOP people in here would be going bonkers
    Comparing the two is pretty dumb. One has multiple accusations of sexual assault, is a serial adulterer and lusts after his daughter.

    "Grab em' by the pussy"

    Yeah, same same.

    Sorry, I just can't bend over backwards to be captain contrarian.


    Never compared him to Trump, and never compared the behavior, and lusting after his daughter is far from fact and is conjecture

    If Joe was Mitch McConnell or any other GOP member the folks on this message board would be going crazy. That is all i am saying. Period. Full stop. I am not saying he shouldn't run, I'm not saying it's disqualifying, i'm not even saying it will stop me from voting for him in the primary.  I'm just saying there us obvious bias at play here on this forum. You going to argue this is an unbiased forum? Lol
    I think Trump lusting after his daughter is fact. Given all the evidence, it seems undeniable to me.
    And no, I would NOT be going crazy. For the third time. I'll have to assume you don't believe me, but it's true. I'm not arguing this is an unbiased forum. I'm arguing that I'm not biased about the Biden kissing thing. That you assume everyone here is biased about everything is just ridiculous. You seem to think you know how others think better than they do.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    my2hands said:
    dignin said:
    my2hands said:
    Jason P said:
    If Trump exhibited the same behavior as Biden there would be a 100 page thread on it right now.
    That's all i'm saying... it's blatant bias... if Joe was GOP people in here would be going bonkers
    Comparing the two is pretty dumb. One has multiple accusations of sexual assault, is a serial adulterer and lusts after his daughter.

    "Grab em' by the pussy"

    Yeah, same same.

    Sorry, I just can't bend over backwards to be captain contrarian.


    Never compared him to Trump, and never compared the behavior, and lusting after his daughter is far from fact and is conjecture

    If Joe was Mitch McConnell or any other GOP member the folks on this message board would be going crazy. That is all i am saying. Period. Full stop. I am not saying he shouldn't run, I'm not saying it's disqualifying, i'm not even saying it will stop me from voting for him in the primary.  I'm just saying there us obvious bias at play here on this forum. You going to argue this is an unbiased forum? Lol
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  • ikiT
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    PJ_Soul said:
    Indeed.
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  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    what dreams said:
    Uncomfortable when someone touches, rubs, sniffs, or otherwise gets too close?

    Step back politely and say, "I'm sorry. I'm really not a hugger" or "Thanks, but I just don't like my neck rubbed." I've said things like this many times in my life, and it's always been followed by an apology and a friendly discussion about different preferences about personal space. 
    Exactly. Just step back. Like this 13-year-old girl had to.....


    Maybe his breath smells. 

    Just wondering about the moments before and after. I really hate this new Gif technology that puts a 3 second clip on instant replay. How long did he really linger there? How crowded is the stage? How did they coach the kid for the photo-op? 
  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    FWIW, I tend to agree that the jokes/speculation regarding Ivanka and her father are completely inappropriate. If it's true, then the trauma she has experienced is not funny at all, and no survivor of sexual abuse should be re-traumatized in the media by comedians or continuous public scrutiny. I don't think it's right at all.
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    edited April 2019
    what dreams said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    what dreams said:
    Uncomfortable when someone touches, rubs, sniffs, or otherwise gets too close?

    Step back politely and say, "I'm sorry. I'm really not a hugger" or "Thanks, but I just don't like my neck rubbed." I've said things like this many times in my life, and it's always been followed by an apology and a friendly discussion about different preferences about personal space. 
    Exactly. Just step back. Like this 13-year-old girl had to.....


    Maybe his breath smells. 

    Just wondering about the moments before and after. I really hate this new Gif technology that puts a 3 second clip on instant replay. How long did he really linger there? How crowded is the stage? How did they coach the kid for the photo-op? 
    Holy shit, that's your response? Well here, if you really need more context, watch a longer version.....

    https://youtu.be/U5gGrTaPSsY

    And really, taking the attempted kiss out of the equation, he shouldn't even be holding her arm like that. And above, PJ_Soul complained of the GOP "weaponizing" the "MeToo" movement by showing stuff like this. Isn't stuff like this exactly what the MeToo movement is about?  Unwanted touching and kissing...even if there's nothing sexual about it? Or does it have to be flat-out sexual assault?

    Like my2hands said above, it's not disqualifying or reason to think he's unfit to be the President. Hell, Trump's the president and I agree with PJ_Soul who noted above that Trump lusts for his daughter. He does. He's a creep. And so is Biden. 

    "Maybe his breath smells." Wow. Or maybe she just doesn't want to be kissed on the cheek by her father's boss. 
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    what dreams said:
    FWIW, I tend to agree that the jokes/speculation regarding Ivanka and her father are completely inappropriate. If it's true, then the trauma she has experienced is not funny at all, and no survivor of sexual abuse should be re-traumatized in the media by comedians or continuous public scrutiny. I don't think it's right at all.
    Who is joking or speculating? It’s not joking or speculating to post the comments he’s made. 
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  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    what dreams said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    what dreams said:
    Uncomfortable when someone touches, rubs, sniffs, or otherwise gets too close?

    Step back politely and say, "I'm sorry. I'm really not a hugger" or "Thanks, but I just don't like my neck rubbed." I've said things like this many times in my life, and it's always been followed by an apology and a friendly discussion about different preferences about personal space. 
    Exactly. Just step back. Like this 13-year-old girl had to.....


    Maybe his breath smells. 

    Just wondering about the moments before and after. I really hate this new Gif technology that puts a 3 second clip on instant replay. How long did he really linger there? How crowded is the stage? How did they coach the kid for the photo-op? 
    Holy shit, that's your response? Well here, if you really need more context, watch a longer version.....

    https://youtu.be/U5gGrTaPSsY

    And really, taking the attempted kiss out of the equation, he shouldn't even be holding her arm like that. And above, PJ_Soul complained of the GOP "weaponizing" the "MeToo" movement by showing stuff like this. Isn't stuff like this exactly what the MeToo movement is about?  Unwanted touching and kissing...even if there's nothing sexual about it? Or does it have to be flat-out sexual assault?

    Like my2hands said above, it's not disqualifying or reason to think he's unfit to be the President. Hell, Trump's the president and I agree with PJ_Soul who noted above that Trump lusts for his daughter. He does. He's a creep. And so is Biden. 

    "Maybe his breath smells." Wow. Or maybe she just doesn't want to be kissed on the cheek by her father's boss. 
    Oh for God sakes. So he held her arm while he said something funny. That is a completely different view and 

    And then her mom patted him on the shoulder and said, "Thanks." Oh, no, she touched his shoulder. What a creepy woman. I hope she never runs for office. 

    You know, I'm a sexual abuse survivor, for ten years as a child abused by a family member.  I am super tuned in to this whole public conversation,  and yes, there are a lot of people making it very difficult for the rest of the world to understand and believe real victims.

    Boundaries are difficult. Every woman and girl gets to set her own. There are many situations where women and girls are completely powerless to stop the abuse they suffer. 

    But these two women accusing Biden were not powerless. They certainly are powerful enough to go straight to the media to cause a stir. But they were not powerful enough to just turn around in the moment to ask, "Really, Joe? Smelling my hair? Please don't."  And based on his current response, that he's listening and learning, I bet he would have stopped and felt awful. His is not the unreflecting response of a creep.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,681
    edited April 2019
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    what dreams said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    what dreams said:
    Uncomfortable when someone touches, rubs, sniffs, or otherwise gets too close?

    Step back politely and say, "I'm sorry. I'm really not a hugger" or "Thanks, but I just don't like my neck rubbed." I've said things like this many times in my life, and it's always been followed by an apology and a friendly discussion about different preferences about personal space. 
    Exactly. Just step back. Like this 13-year-old girl had to.....


    Maybe his breath smells. 

    Just wondering about the moments before and after. I really hate this new Gif technology that puts a 3 second clip on instant replay. How long did he really linger there? How crowded is the stage? How did they coach the kid for the photo-op? 
    Holy shit, that's your response? Well here, if you really need more context, watch a longer version.....

    https://youtu.be/U5gGrTaPSsY

    And really, taking the attempted kiss out of the equation, he shouldn't even be holding her arm like that. And above, PJ_Soul complained of the GOP "weaponizing" the "MeToo" movement by showing stuff like this. Isn't stuff like this exactly what the MeToo movement is about?  Unwanted touching and kissing...even if there's nothing sexual about it? Or does it have to be flat-out sexual assault?

    Like my2hands said above, it's not disqualifying or reason to think he's unfit to be the President. Hell, Trump's the president and I agree with PJ_Soul who noted above that Trump lusts for his daughter. He does. He's a creep. And so is Biden. 

    "Maybe his breath smells." Wow. Or maybe she just doesn't want to be kissed on the cheek by her father's boss. 
    No. Again, this is NOT what the MeToo movement is about. I mean FFS, it's not about someone who puts their hand on an arm while speaking to someone and shit like that. It is not about normal human contact that ends up being awkward. At all. It is indeed about sexual misconduct/assault. Turning it into any time anyone is made to feel awkward by any kind of physical contact whatsoever is what you call OVERKILL. And look at how using it like is going. It's making me angry. It completely depletes the real meaning behind #metoo and makes the movement seem like hysteria, and that hurts all women.
    No, that does not mean it's appropriate behaviour. But not all inappropriate behaviour or behaviour that makes someone feel awkward is #metoo material.
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    Okay this is not a hill I'm willing to die on. Sorry to hear about you've been through, what dreams. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,681
    Well I can't believe you just lumped Trump and Biden together as creeps. That is just wacked, sorry.
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    PJ_Soul said:
    sorry.
    Apology accepted. 
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  • mickeyrat
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    this is what metoo is about.....


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  • what dreams
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Okay this is not a hill I'm willing to die on. Sorry to hear about you've been through, what dreams. 
    Thank you.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,681
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    sorry.
    Apology accepted. 
    Lol, good. :)
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  • Meltdown99
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    Biden is a creep.  Overly affection with strangers makes you a creep.
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  • Hi!
    Hi! Posts: 3,095
    edited April 2019
    Sanders/Harris
    Sanders/Booker
    Sanders/Warren 
    Sanders/Buttigieg 

    Beto/Harris
    Betto/Klobuchar 
    Beto/Booker
    Beto/Abrams 

    Booker/Harris
    Booker/Warren
    Booker/Beto
    Booker/Klobuchar 

    Biden/Harris
    Biden/Klobuchar 
    Biden/Booker
    Biden/Holder
    Biden/Abrams

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  • mrussel1
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    what dreams said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Okay this is not a hill I'm willing to die on. Sorry to hear about you've been through, what dreams. 
    Thank you.
    Great commentary by you and PJ Soul on this issue.  It helped crystallize what I was thinking but did not have the adequate words to support.  Thank you. 
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