The Democratic Candidates

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    PJ_Soul said:
    Too bad.
    I really wish the media were paying Warren a lot more attention. All the media focus in on the white men. It sucks. Says a lot.
    I don't know if that's true.  Biden has nothing but negative attention right now.  Warren has been pushed aggressively by Huff and other liberal publications.  I'm just not that the party is as progressive as her.  She has thrown out a ton of ideas.  While that can appeal to more people,  it can also set her back.  It gives more ammo against too.
  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    Yeah, it’s interesting too because the top 2 women candidates are not even leading in polls in their home states.

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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882
    PJ_Soul said:
    Too bad.
    I really wish the media were paying Warren a lot more attention. All the media focus in on the white men. It sucks. Says a lot.
    The media that's focusing on those (gasp!) white men are probably doing so at the behest of the DNC. The same way the GOP influences what Fox News does, so does the DNC for MSNBC/CNN. If the DNC thinks Warren isn't worth covering, the media will abide. They want to beat Trump and they must think that Warren doesn't have a chance. But they were wrong pushing Hillary over Bernie, so they could be wrong here too. I actually like that Warren seems to have some fight in her, but I don't think she's very electable. And it has nothing to do with her not being a white man. If I was a democrat that could vote in their primary, I'd vote for her over Beto in the heartbeat. And that's despite not really liking her and thinking she can't win. But she'd fight Trump, and I respect that.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    It will be Joe with a minority VP, likely a woman... 

    $20 says Team Hillary realizes Kaine was a bad VP choice and should have gone with a minority instead
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882
    my2hands said:
    It will be Joe with a minority VP, likely a woman... 

    $20 says Team Hillary realizes Kaine was a bad VP choice and should have gone with a minority instead
    Or Bernie for that matter. It would've showed that she can debate and disagree with someone but still work with them (unlike Trump who at the time was just stomping on the throats of his GOP adversaries), and more importantly, the Bernie supporters that didn't bother to vote in the general election would have come out to vote him to the Vice-Presidency. But I'd take your $20 bet because I haven't seen Hillary take any accountability for losing the election. So I doubt she'd acknowledge that Kaine wasn't the right choice.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,143
    edited April 2019
    my2hands said:
    It will be Joe with a minority VP, likely a woman... 

    $20 says Team Hillary realizes Kaine was a bad VP choice and should have gone with a minority instead
    I tend to think it won't be Joe.  I think they'll go younger.  Part of the message when Trump was elected is not to keep on trotting out the same people.  

    If it is Joe, they'll definitely want to go younger and probably not white and male for running mate.

    I don't know that Kaine was a bad choice...the bad choice was Hillary.
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739

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  • Damn, I like Biden but he's being cagey and coy about running.  Think he could totally do well in debates, so much so that Donald would be tempted to only do one, or cancel if it went bad but the groping stuff, it's like glue.  The right will crucify Biden for what he's done but all the women with complaints on Trump?  Nothing!  They'll say "the people voted, and they don't care what Trump did".  Now, I'd love Elizabeth Warren, she's damned smart but every candidate will be labeled Socialist.  The perfect guy might be Mayor Pete - guy is a veteran, mayor and gay.  That could be a perfect storm Trump can't handle!
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951

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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    It appears the biggest debate on the candidates so far is their gender, race, age and sexual orientation.  All stufff that is determined by fate. 
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,525

    HAHA!
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,525
    First episode of Bernie Sanders election pod:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K11acMGsX_M
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Jason P said:
    It appears the biggest debate on the candidates so far is their gender, race, age and sexual orientation.  All stufff that is determined by fate. 
    Welcome to full blown identity politics
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    PJ_Soul said:

    I call bullshit on their fuzzy math.... i guess we want to forget Biden & Bernie have been elected officials forever and have won more elections than the rest of the list combined, men & women? 

    Did i forget to mention Biden was also on a succesful Presidential ticket twice?

    I fully support female candidates, but that list is junk, and biased
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    edited April 2019
    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:

    I call bullshit on their fuzzy math.... i guess we want to forget Biden & Bernie have been elected officials forever and have won more elections than the rest of the list combined, men & women? 

    Did i forget to mention Biden was also on a succesful Presidential ticket twice?

    I fully support female candidates, but that list is junk, and biased
    Nobody wants to forget anything. It's a tweet (a factual one), so chill. I do agree with the point it's making though.
    Speaking of bias..........

    It’s the Sexism, Stupid

    Why men are dominating the Democratic 2020 primary.



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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:

    I call bullshit on their fuzzy math.... i guess we want to forget Biden & Bernie have been elected officials forever and have won more elections than the rest of the list combined, men & women? 

    Did i forget to mention Biden was also on a succesful Presidential ticket twice?

    I fully support female candidates, but that list is junk, and biased
    Nobody wants to forget anything. It's a tweet (a factual one), so chill. I do agree with the point it's making though.
    Speaking of bias..........

    It’s the Sexism, Stupid

    Why men are dominating the Democratic 2020 primary.




    Joe & Bernie have massive name recognition advantage over the field... i don't buy it, and i cant stand that we go looking for sexism and racism to explain everything, although sometimes real, it is WAY overplayed. You know my stance on females in politics, i'm all about it. Maybe they need a better candidate with better name recognition? If Michelle was in this race, you think she wouldn't be getting all the press and likely poll as a favorite?

    Was sexism at play when a female received more votes than anybody ever not named Barack? 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    Michelle would roll to the nomination. 
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,951
    edited April 2019
    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:

    I call bullshit on their fuzzy math.... i guess we want to forget Biden & Bernie have been elected officials forever and have won more elections than the rest of the list combined, men & women? 

    Did i forget to mention Biden was also on a succesful Presidential ticket twice?

    I fully support female candidates, but that list is junk, and biased
    Nobody wants to forget anything. It's a tweet (a factual one), so chill. I do agree with the point it's making though.
    Speaking of bias..........

    It’s the Sexism, Stupid

    Why men are dominating the Democratic 2020 primary.




    Joe & Bernie have massive name recognition advantage over the field... i don't buy it, and i cant stand that we go looking for sexism and racism to explain everything, although sometimes real, it is WAY overplayed. You know my stance on females in politics, i'm all about it. Maybe they need a better candidate with better name recognition? If Michelle was in this race, you think she wouldn't be getting all the press and likely poll as a favorite?

    Was sexism at play when a female received more votes than anybody ever not named Barack? 
    One case of non-sexism doesn't debunk sexism. Obviously. Especially not when TRUMP was the competition.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,143
    mrussel1 said:
    Michelle would roll to the nomination. 
    Maybe.  And she'd get clobbered in the general.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:

    I call bullshit on their fuzzy math.... i guess we want to forget Biden & Bernie have been elected officials forever and have won more elections than the rest of the list combined, men & women? 

    Did i forget to mention Biden was also on a succesful Presidential ticket twice?

    I fully support female candidates, but that list is junk, and biased
    Nobody wants to forget anything. It's a tweet (a factual one), so chill. I do agree with the point it's making though.
    Speaking of bias..........

    It’s the Sexism, Stupid

    Why men are dominating the Democratic 2020 primary.




    Joe & Bernie have massive name recognition advantage over the field... i don't buy it, and i cant stand that we go looking for sexism and racism to explain everything, although sometimes real, it is WAY overplayed. You know my stance on females in politics, i'm all about it. Maybe they need a better candidate with better name recognition? If Michelle was in this race, you think she wouldn't be getting all the press and likely poll as a favorite?

    Was sexism at play when a female received more votes than anybody ever not named Barack? 
    One case of non-sexism doesn't debunk sexism. Obviously.
    I'm sure there is sexism in voting,  but it's impossible to quantify without more data.  Just because 12% crossed over to vote the man doesn't mean that 11% did it for that reason.  That's the reason I don't like these articles,  or two hands statement earlier that the black vote regressed in 2016 mainly, only, or primarily because Obama wasn't on the ticket. 
  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    my2hands said:
    It will be Joe with a minority VP, likely a woman... 

    $20 says Team Hillary realizes Kaine was a bad VP choice and should have gone with a minority instead
    Or Bernie for that matter. It would've showed that she can debate and disagree with someone but still work with them (unlike Trump who at the time was just stomping on the throats of his GOP adversaries), and more importantly, the Bernie supporters that didn't bother to vote in the general election would have come out to vote him to the Vice-Presidency. But I'd take your $20 bet because I haven't seen Hillary take any accountability for losing the election. So I doubt she'd acknowledge that Kaine wasn't the right choice.
    Her campaign autobiography. Read it. She takes full responsibility 
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882
    my2hands said:
    It will be Joe with a minority VP, likely a woman... 

    $20 says Team Hillary realizes Kaine was a bad VP choice and should have gone with a minority instead
    Or Bernie for that matter. It would've showed that she can debate and disagree with someone but still work with them (unlike Trump who at the time was just stomping on the throats of his GOP adversaries), and more importantly, the Bernie supporters that didn't bother to vote in the general election would have come out to vote him to the Vice-Presidency. But I'd take your $20 bet because I haven't seen Hillary take any accountability for losing the election. So I doubt she'd acknowledge that Kaine wasn't the right choice.
    Her campaign autobiography. Read it. She takes full responsibility 
    I will absolute not be reading that. But I'll take your word for it. 

    All I know is she publicly has blamed sexism. And suggested that the reason she lost white women was men made their wives/daughters vote for Trump.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,525
    BUTTAGJEDJE!
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    Buddajudge looks like Alfred E Neuman.
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  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    Buddajudge looks like Alfred E Neuman.
    Oh my gosh, yes!! It's been plaguing my brain trying to place his familiar face. That's it!!!  Hahaha. Thanks.
  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    my2hands said:
    It will be Joe with a minority VP, likely a woman... 

    $20 says Team Hillary realizes Kaine was a bad VP choice and should have gone with a minority instead
    Or Bernie for that matter. It would've showed that she can debate and disagree with someone but still work with them (unlike Trump who at the time was just stomping on the throats of his GOP adversaries), and more importantly, the Bernie supporters that didn't bother to vote in the general election would have come out to vote him to the Vice-Presidency. But I'd take your $20 bet because I haven't seen Hillary take any accountability for losing the election. So I doubt she'd acknowledge that Kaine wasn't the right choice.
    Her campaign autobiography. Read it. She takes full responsibility 
    I will absolute not be reading that. But I'll take your word for it. 

    All I know is she publicly has blamed sexism. And suggested that the reason she lost white women was men made their wives/daughters vote for Trump.
    Yeah, I guess the world is complicated like. Go figure -- someone trying to evaluate a major disappointment in her life, so much so that she called her book WHAT HAPPENED. And she opens the introduction by taking full responsibility for the loss, because she was the head of the campaign and it was her job to win. She knows that. She says that. You wouldn't have to read much more than ten pages to get that. But as usual, the fucking media and its compliant consumers tell and believe whatever 30-second story confirms their bias against her. 

    It's unfortunate you won't check it out from the library. It was actually quite a fascinating look at a handful of the major issues she campaigned on -- not just an autobiography. I learned a lot. I cried a lot -- because she is brilliant, and it bothers me that the world, starting way back in the 1990s, just can't take that kind of brilliance from a female seeking power. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,024
    my2hands said:
    It will be Joe with a minority VP, likely a woman... 

    $20 says Team Hillary realizes Kaine was a bad VP choice and should have gone with a minority instead
    Or Bernie for that matter. It would've showed that she can debate and disagree with someone but still work with them (unlike Trump who at the time was just stomping on the throats of his GOP adversaries), and more importantly, the Bernie supporters that didn't bother to vote in the general election would have come out to vote him to the Vice-Presidency. But I'd take your $20 bet because I haven't seen Hillary take any accountability for losing the election. So I doubt she'd acknowledge that Kaine wasn't the right choice.
    Her campaign autobiography. Read it. She takes full responsibility 
    I will absolute not be reading that. But I'll take your word for it. 

    All I know is she publicly has blamed sexism. And suggested that the reason she lost white women was men made their wives/daughters vote for Trump.
    Yeah, I guess the world is complicated like. Go figure -- someone trying to evaluate a major disappointment in her life, so much so that she called her book WHAT HAPPENED. And she opens the introduction by taking full responsibility for the loss, because she was the head of the campaign and it was her job to win. She knows that. She says that. You wouldn't have to read much more than ten pages to get that. But as usual, the fucking media and its compliant consumers tell and believe whatever 30-second story confirms their bias against her. 

    It's unfortunate you won't check it out from the library. It was actually quite a fascinating look at a handful of the major issues she campaigned on -- not just an autobiography. I learned a lot. I cried a lot -- because she is brilliant, and it bothers me that the world, starting way back in the 1990s, just can't take that kind of brilliance from a female seeking power. 
    I wouldn’t characterize it as “seeking power,” but rather, “seeking to lead.” Power comes with the position and responsibility to use it wisely, something Team Trump Treason doesn’t grasp.
     
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  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    my2hands said:
    It will be Joe with a minority VP, likely a woman... 

    $20 says Team Hillary realizes Kaine was a bad VP choice and should have gone with a minority instead
    Or Bernie for that matter. It would've showed that she can debate and disagree with someone but still work with them (unlike Trump who at the time was just stomping on the throats of his GOP adversaries), and more importantly, the Bernie supporters that didn't bother to vote in the general election would have come out to vote him to the Vice-Presidency. But I'd take your $20 bet because I haven't seen Hillary take any accountability for losing the election. So I doubt she'd acknowledge that Kaine wasn't the right choice.
    Her campaign autobiography. Read it. She takes full responsibility 
    I will absolute not be reading that. But I'll take your word for it. 

    All I know is she publicly has blamed sexism. And suggested that the reason she lost white women was men made their wives/daughters vote for Trump.
    Yeah, I guess the world is complicated like. Go figure -- someone trying to evaluate a major disappointment in her life, so much so that she called her book WHAT HAPPENED. And she opens the introduction by taking full responsibility for the loss, because she was the head of the campaign and it was her job to win. She knows that. She says that. You wouldn't have to read much more than ten pages to get that. But as usual, the fucking media and its compliant consumers tell and believe whatever 30-second story confirms their bias against her. 

    It's unfortunate you won't check it out from the library. It was actually quite a fascinating look at a handful of the major issues she campaigned on -- not just an autobiography. I learned a lot. I cried a lot -- because she is brilliant, and it bothers me that the world, starting way back in the 1990s, just can't take that kind of brilliance from a female seeking power. 
    I wouldn’t characterize it as “seeking power,” but rather, “seeking to lead.” Power comes with the position and responsibility to use it wisely, something Team Trump Treason doesn’t grasp.
     
    Fair enough -- good clarification
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,033
    So what do you all think of Bernie being the front-runner?  Too early to matter?  Can he continue to grow his support?  Can he beat Trump?


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