I think for some folks, coming to grips with aging while a favorite band ages is proving to be an interesting experience. I'd be very happy if Pearl Jam were releasing new and interesting music every 2-3 years or at least touring each year like some bands get out and do. But I can't say I am shocked that they don't. This is not a historical first that a very good band sort of ends the creative portion of their career and comes back for small bursts of performances here and there.
And guess what, that blows, and people are allowed to say it blows
I mean I guess, but it does nothing, changes nothing and offers nothing. But yeah, it is not unlawful.
I think for some folks, coming to grips with aging while a favorite band ages is proving to be an interesting experience. I'd be very happy if Pearl Jam were releasing new and interesting music every 2-3 years or at least touring each year like some bands get out and do. But I can't say I am shocked that they don't. This is not a historical first that a very good band sort of ends the creative portion of their career and comes back for small bursts of performances here and there.
And guess what, that blows, and people are allowed to say it blows
I mean I guess, but it does nothing, changes nothing and offers nothing. But yeah, it is not unlawful.
I'm not being a debbie downer here... I just think its fine for die hard fans of a band to want the band to actually make music and tour a little more... I always think its odd when the pj/ev fanboy apologists dismiss or belittle the fans being disappointed by lack of output
With that being said I can't imagine Ev is going to tour arenas and festivals in Europe without a new album... so I'm assuming a release is in the works...... sure hope so
I think for some folks, coming to grips with aging while a favorite band ages is proving to be an interesting experience. I'd be very happy if Pearl Jam were releasing new and interesting music every 2-3 years or at least touring each year like some bands get out and do. But I can't say I am shocked that they don't. This is not a historical first that a very good band sort of ends the creative portion of their career and comes back for small bursts of performances here and there.
And guess what, that blows, and people are allowed to say it blows
I mean I guess, but it does nothing, changes nothing and offers nothing. But yeah, it is not unlawful.
I'm not being a debbie downer here... I just think its fine for die hard fans of a band to want the band to actually make music and tour a little more... I always think its odd when the pj/ev fanboy apologists dismiss or belittle the fans being disappointed by lack of output
With that being said I can't imagine Ev is going to tour arenas and festivals in Europe without a new album... so I'm assuming a release is in the works...... sure hope so
I absolutely wish they did. But I'm just also not surprised that this is where they are.
I think for some folks, coming to grips with aging while a favorite band ages is proving to be an interesting experience. I'd be very happy if Pearl Jam were releasing new and interesting music every 2-3 years or at least touring each year like some bands get out and do. But I can't say I am shocked that they don't. This is not a historical first that a very good band sort of ends the creative portion of their career and comes back for small bursts of performances here and there.
And guess what, that blows, and people are allowed to say it blows
I mean I guess, but it does nothing, changes nothing and offers nothing. But yeah, it is not unlawful.
I'm not being a debbie downer here... I just think its fine for die hard fans of a band to want the band to actually make music and tour a little more... I always think its odd when the pj/ev fanboy apologists dismiss or belittle the fans being disappointed by lack of output
With that being said I can't imagine Ev is going to tour arenas and festivals in Europe without a new album... so I'm assuming a release is in the works...... sure hope so
I absolutely wish they did. But I'm just also not surprised that this is where they are.
I think for some folks, coming to grips with aging while a favorite band ages is proving to be an interesting experience. I'd be very happy if Pearl Jam were releasing new and interesting music every 2-3 years or at least touring each year like some bands get out and do. But I can't say I am shocked that they don't. This is not a historical first that a very good band sort of ends the creative portion of their career and comes back for small bursts of performances here and there.
And guess what, that blows, and people are allowed to say it blows
I mean I guess, but it does nothing, changes nothing and offers nothing. But yeah, it is not unlawful.
I'm not being a debbie downer here... I just think its fine for die hard fans of a band to want the band to actually make music and tour a little more... I always think its odd when the pj/ev fanboy apologists dismiss or belittle the fans being disappointed by lack of output
With that being said I can't imagine Ev is going to tour arenas and festivals in Europe without a new album... so I'm assuming a release is in the works...... sure hope so
I absolutely wish they did. But I'm just also not surprised that this is where they are.
I think for some folks, coming to grips with aging while a favorite band ages is proving to be an interesting experience. I'd be very happy if Pearl Jam were releasing new and interesting music every 2-3 years or at least touring each year like some bands get out and do. But I can't say I am shocked that they don't. This is not a historical first that a very good band sort of ends the creative portion of their career and comes back for small bursts of performances here and there.
And guess what, that blows, and people are allowed to say it blows
I mean I guess, but it does nothing, changes nothing and offers nothing. But yeah, it is not unlawful.
I'm not being a debbie downer here... I just think its fine for die hard fans of a band to want the band to actually make music and tour a little more... I always think its odd when the pj/ev fanboy apologists dismiss or belittle the fans being disappointed by lack of output
With that being said I can't imagine Ev is going to tour arenas and festivals in Europe without a new album... so I'm assuming a release is in the works...... sure hope so
I absolutely wish they did. But I'm just also not surprised that this is where they are.
They have been this way for 9 years.
Not sure it has been as stark if you look at it a bit deeper. specifically in relation to touring.
in 1998 they played over 60 shows touring for Yield in 2000 they played over 70 shows touring for Binaural in 2003 they played over 70 shows touring for Riot Act in 2005 they played over 35 shows, mostly in the fall to just get out in 2006 they played over 75 shows touring for An Album Has No Name
Then 2007-08 is sparse here and there.
in late 2009 and early 2010 they played over 60 shows, but instead of a sort of spring/summer, summer/fall trajectory, they split the tour dates across essentially the same time frame
2011-12 is sparse here and there again
late 2013 and then mid & late 2014 they played just about 60 shows
So they have tailed off, but more so in the writing the new music and their has not really been a sizeable tour since the Lightning Bolt proper tour. The gaps between albums have become bigger and thus the support efforts for them make for lighter between tours.
I'd like to see them at minimum tour more, but they seem to only like to do sizeable jaunts in support of a record.
It’s time to come to terms with the idea that Pearl Jam isn’t here to serve us. They’re people with families and lives of their own. They experienced a horrific blow with the loss of Chris. Be grateful for what we get at this point. They’ve given us a lifetime of music and memories!
I hate the family excuse. People with families have jobs and travel for business all the time.
People with families work a lot more and harder than these guys do.
But they also have to work, which differ.
Absolutely true. But I m guessing the only reason they don’t want to play is because they simply don’t want to play live. It isn’t about their families.
Or maybe it is about their families and trying to avoid some of the things that have ravaged their own lives and relationships along the way and those of close friends that do/did tour pretty obsessively.
These guys would be the first to tell you and genuinely mean they have been blessed to make an extremely good living of off art, but they'd also be totally dishonest if they did not say the experience is equally taxing in different ways.
They have every right to do as they please, they've earned it. If they want to be with their families more, hey, who doesn't?
But I don't think that's the reason for the lack of touring or new music (and lack of quality of the stuff they put out the past 10 years). The problem for me seems to be the fact that they don't look as if they enjoy working together a lot anymore. They all seem to have their artistic juices flowing, each their own way, at least judging from what comes out from each one of them. But for some reason they're not doing it together. Pearl Jam became just their job, the thing that puts food on the table at the end of the day and allows them to pursuit other artistic ventures. A big company with several employees that need to get payed, not the place where they make art together.
The thing is, they seem to want the best of both worlds: not doing a lot of "band stuff" (like touring, making new music, making the Xmas singles or even getting together as a band) and at the same time keep the big Pearl Jam company operating and paying all the people that work for them. This means making more money doing less, ie, less shows with more expensive tickets and (a lot!) more merchandise related stuff, for example.
As music/art fans and as fans of the band, it's hard to see the band go down that hole because it's contrary to what made us fans. Being glad with whatever they do is just not the right mindset in my opinion.
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
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To be honest I’m not sure what all the fuss is about Ed doing more solo shows, the guys seemed to be having a blast last year with the Europe tour at all the shows I attended, didn’t seem like a band in supposed turmoil.. just my opinion obviously and I can’t wait to see Ed in Italy again this summer
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If the tour would start in Amsterdam on June 11th, that would mean Metallica playing the stadium and the Smashing Pumpkins playing AFAS at the same time. All three are virtually right next to each other. The 18 year old me would be kicking himself right in the middle
Can anybody help with Italian ? It looks like there are buses from and to Milan and Turin is that right after the show or are they regular daytime buses ? I don't speak Italian but it looks like that from the festival site ?
I can help. Actually there are dedicated buses, that need to be booked in advance. On Collisioni Festival website they have info only about the main days in July, but I think they will add buses also for the 17th of June. I'll send a message to the festival organization and let you know, ok?
Can anybody help with Italian ? It looks like there are buses from and to Milan and Turin is that right after the show or are they regular daytime buses ? I don't speak Italian but it looks like that from the festival site ?
I can help. Actually there are dedicated buses, that need to be booked in advance. On Collisioni Festival website they have info only about the main days in July, but I think they will add buses also for the 17th of June. I'll send a message to the festival organization and let you know, ok?
Can you share the info here pls? I’m interested too
06/06/17 - Eddie Vedder - Hammersmith Apollo - London ///// 09/06/17 - Eddie Vedder - 3Arena - Dublin ///// 19/06/18 - Pearl Jam - O2 - London ////// 10/07/18 - Pearl Jam - Palau Sant Jordi - Barcelona ////// 12/07/18 - Pearl Jam - Mad Cool Festival - Madrid ////// 14/07/18 -Pearl Jam - NOS Alive Festival - Lisbon
Can anybody help with Italian ? It looks like there are buses from and to Milan and Turin is that right after the show or are they regular daytime buses ? I don't speak Italian but it looks like that from the festival site ?
I can help. Actually there are dedicated buses, that need to be booked in advance. On Collisioni Festival website they have info only about the main days in July, but I think they will add buses also for the 17th of June. I'll send a message to the festival organization and let you know, ok?
The "But" has to do with the set up and artist. Not that is on risk.. Dublin show is just fine
Also cos people sent me screen shots from website and pages. There is no Scandinavian dates.. So don't get hopes up cos someone post a list with rumors.
Same goes with Iberia area. Some heard Lisbon and post random dates in July and festivals. It's wrong.
Rumors and hopes are different things than informations and shows that are booked.
3 shows confirmed so far.
If I have to "guess" 1 more may be announce first before the rest. We wait and see. Don't forget is business and people organize and bring artist to do shows have one goal.. To sell as many tickets they can to earn money.
That's why u don t see all the shows dates announced the same date. Artist can't choose the day of the announcement and if it's gonna be parts or all together.
Artiat knows when and where he plays. Then promoter, ticket Ventors, fan clubs etc do the rest.
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
The "But" has to do with the set up and artist. Not that is on risk.. Dublin show is just fine
Also cos people sent me screen shots from website and pages. There is no Scandinavian dates.. So don't get hopes up cos someone post a list with rumors.
Same goes with Iberia area. Some heard Lisbon and post random dates in July and festivals. It's wrong.
Rumors and hopes are different things than informations and shows that are booked.
3 shows confirmed so far.
If I have to "guess" 1 more may be announce first before the rest. We wait and see. Don't forget is business and people organize and bring artist to do shows have one goal.. To sell as many tickets they can to earn money.
That's why u don t see all the shows dates announced the same date. Artist can't choose the day of the announcement and if it's gonna be parts or all together.
Artiat knows when and where he plays. Then promoter, ticket Ventors, fan clubs etc do the rest.
that's a pity... 😞 Dublin show in 2017 was more than amazing
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With that being said I can't imagine Ev is going to tour arenas and festivals in Europe without a new album... so I'm assuming a release is in the works...... sure hope so
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in 1998 they played over 60 shows touring for Yield
in 2000 they played over 70 shows touring for Binaural
in 2003 they played over 70 shows touring for Riot Act
in 2005 they played over 35 shows, mostly in the fall to just get out
in 2006 they played over 75 shows touring for An Album Has No Name
Then 2007-08 is sparse here and there.
in late 2009 and early 2010 they played over 60 shows, but instead of a sort of spring/summer, summer/fall trajectory, they split the tour dates across essentially the same time frame
2011-12 is sparse here and there again
late 2013 and then mid & late 2014 they played just about 60 shows
So they have tailed off, but more so in the writing the new music and their has not really been a sizeable tour since the Lightning Bolt proper tour. The gaps between albums have become bigger and thus the support efforts for them make for lighter between tours.
I'd like to see them at minimum tour more, but they seem to only like to do sizeable jaunts in support of a record.
http://www.hi5sports.org/ (Sports Program for Kids with Disabilities)
http://www.livefootsteps.org/user/?usr=3652
They have every right to do as they please, they've earned it. If they want to be with their families more, hey, who doesn't?
But I don't think that's the reason for the lack of touring or new music (and lack of quality of the stuff they put out the past 10 years). The problem for me seems to be the fact that they don't look as if they enjoy working together a lot anymore. They all seem to have their artistic juices flowing, each their own way, at least judging from what comes out from each one of them. But for some reason they're not doing it together. Pearl Jam became just their job, the thing that puts food on the table at the end of the day and allows them to pursuit other artistic ventures. A big company with several employees that need to get payed, not the place where they make art together.
The thing is, they seem to want the best of both worlds: not doing a lot of "band stuff" (like touring, making new music, making the Xmas singles or even getting together as a band) and at the same time keep the big Pearl Jam company operating and paying all the people that work for them. This means making more money doing less, ie, less shows with more expensive tickets and (a lot!) more merchandise related stuff, for example.
As music/art fans and as fans of the band, it's hard to see the band go down that hole because it's contrary to what made us fans. Being glad with whatever they do is just not the right mindset in my opinion.
i wish i wish i wish i wish, i guess it never stops
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
2006: Vienna 2009: Berlin 2010: London ~ Berlin 2012: Amsterdam 1+2 ~ Werchter ~ Arras ~ Berlin 1+2
2014: Milano ~ Trieste ~ Vienna ~ Berlin 2018: Padova ~ Rome 2022: Budapest ~ Vienna
EV London/Hammersmith 2012
EV Berlin/Zitadelle 2017
Is there any The Who fansites with rumoured dates floating around?
2006: Vienna 2009: Berlin 2010: London ~ Berlin 2012: Amsterdam 1+2 ~ Werchter ~ Arras ~ Berlin 1+2
2014: Milano ~ Trieste ~ Vienna ~ Berlin 2018: Padova ~ Rome 2022: Budapest ~ Vienna
EV London/Hammersmith 2012
EV Berlin/Zitadelle 2017
just my opinion obviously and I can’t wait to see Ed in Italy again this summer
It's ok guys, decent seats will only be about £220 each.
Actually there are dedicated buses, that need to be booked in advance. On Collisioni Festival website they have info only about the main days in July, but I think they will add buses also for the 17th of June. I'll send a message to the festival organization and let you know, ok?
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”