Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez

Halifax2TheMax

Anyone want to explain why a company and individual that are worth billions and pay an effective 3% federal corporate tax rate need $1.5 billion in taxpayer subsidies to create jobs and open a headquarters?

bootlegger10

cincybearcat said:

bootlegger10 said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

They can go to a bank and Wall Street for their “loan” if they’re too cheap to pay for it themselves. It’s fucking obscene and immoral.

Well no actually, they’ll just go to another location. It’s competitive to attract jobs.

Or it is legal bribery.  Legalized blackmail.   We get it, but don’t have to like it. 

 No different then giving incentives on taxes for people to move into formerly desolate parts of a city. No different really than a store having a sale to get you to shop there. 

Blackmail is a really weird choice of words there. I can see how you might say bribery. 

I deleted blackmail and then put it back in.  There is not much difference between “give me money or I post this picture” and “you need jobs so pay up or else”.  

You can’t feel bad for Bezos being blackmailed by the Enquirer when his company just played 20 cities that wanted jobs against each other to get the most money from them.

Halifax2TheMax

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Oh, and there’s currently 7.1 million job openings in the US. Where are these 25k employees coming from to move to a metro area with one of the highest costs of living?

That’s why amazon wanted to be in NY and were going to pay to pay an average of $150,000 salary.  

There’s 7.1 million or 25K unemployed in NYC? Not getting your answer. Are there that many $125K+ software engineers out of work? Fire up the USB1 visa machine. Do you like Indian food?

tempo_n_groove

Halifax2TheMax said:

Anyone want to explain why a company and individual that are worth billions and pay an effective 3% federal corporate tax rate need $1.5 billion in taxpayer subsidies to create jobs and open a headquarters?

They don't but that is how business is done.  That is also why other companies move HQ's to Ireland where they get a tax cut for doing business there.

So I did do the math with the taxes and after 5 years of construction tax revenue would be around  $44,100,000.  That's an average of 1000 construction workers a year making 100k.  

When the place is built and there is 25,000 people making on average 150K a year, that would be $1,653,750,000 in taxes in 5 years.

That is a ton of money that comes in every single year to the city.

What this does do is kill any lower income areas in a 25 mile radius of LIC which is already too high in my opinion.  If anyone has lived in Seattle or Austin and saw those cities explode this would be the same thing only worse.

tempo_n_groove

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Oh, and there’s currently 7.1 million job openings in the US. Where are these 25k employees coming from to move to a metro area with one of the highest costs of living?

That’s why amazon wanted to be in NY and were going to pay to pay an average of $150,000 salary.  

There’s 7.1 million or 25K unemployed in NYC? Not getting your answer. Are there that many $125K+ software engineers out of work? Fire up the USB1 visa machine. Do you like Indian food?

That's an average though the 25k workers with that salary?  I'm sure there are others making a bunch more than that.

cincybearcat

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Oh, and there’s currently 7.1 million job openings in the US. Where are these 25k employees coming from to move to a metro area with one of the highest costs of living?

That’s why amazon wanted to be in NY and were going to pay to pay an average of $150,000 salary.  

There’s 7.1 million or 25K unemployed in NYC? Not getting your answer. Are there that many $125K+ software engineers out of work? Fire up the USB1 visa machine. Do you like Indian food?

I mean they were picking places people in those careers want to live. Part of the incentive. Better than West Virginia.

Love Indian food.

Halifax2TheMax

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Anyone want to explain why a company and individual that are worth billions and pay an effective 3% federal corporate tax rate need $1.5 billion in taxpayer subsidies to create jobs and open a headquarters?

They don't but that is how business is done.  That is also why other companies move HQ's to Ireland where they get a tax cut for doing business there.

So I did do the math with the taxes and after 5 years of construction tax revenue would be around  $44,100,000.  That's an average of 1000 construction workers a year making 100k.  

When the place is built and there is 25,000 people making on average 150K a year, that would be $1,653,750,000 in taxes in 5 years.

That is a ton of money that comes in every single year to the city.

What this does do is kill any lower income areas in a 25 mile radius of LIC which is already too high in my opinion.  If anyone has lived in Seattle or Austin and saw those cities explode this would be the same thing only worse.

“They don’t.” Full stop. 

Halifax2TheMax

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Anyone want to explain why a company and individual that are worth billions and pay an effective 3% federal corporate tax rate need $1.5 billion in taxpayer subsidies to create jobs and open a headquarters?

They don't but that is how business is done.  That is also why other companies move HQ's to Ireland where they get a tax cut for doing business there.

So I did do the math with the taxes and after 5 years of construction tax revenue would be around  $44,100,000.  That's an average of 1000 construction workers a year making 100k.  

When the place is built and there is 25,000 people making on average 150K a year, that would be $1,653,750,000 in taxes in 5 years.

That is a ton of money that comes in every single year to the city.

What this does do is kill any lower income areas in a 25 mile radius of LIC which is already too high in my opinion.  If anyone has lived in Seattle or Austin and saw those cities explode this would be the same thing only worse.

“They don’t.” Full stop. 

Sounds Team Trump Treasonian, like declaring an emergency to fully fund the stupid wall. “I don’t really need to do this but........” people are fed up with the greed and disparity of wealth. 

mrussel1

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Anyone want to explain why a company and individual that are worth billions and pay an effective 3% federal corporate tax rate need $1.5 billion in taxpayer subsidies to create jobs and open a headquarters?

They don't but that is how business is done.  That is also why other companies move HQ's to Ireland where they get a tax cut for doing business there.

So I did do the math with the taxes and after 5 years of construction tax revenue would be around  $44,100,000.  That's an average of 1000 construction workers a year making 100k.  

When the place is built and there is 25,000 people making on average 150K a year, that would be $1,653,750,000 in taxes in 5 years.

That is a ton of money that comes in every single year to the city.

What this does do is kill any lower income areas in a 25 mile radius of LIC which is already too high in my opinion.  If anyone has lived in Seattle or Austin and saw those cities explode this would be the same thing only worse.

Well how else do you eliminate poverty other than jobs? I think your assumption is that it's displacement rather than upward mobility.  I don't think there's one answer to that.

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Anyone want to explain why a company and individual that are worth billions and pay an effective 3% federal corporate tax rate need $1.5 billion in taxpayer subsidies to create jobs and open a headquarters?

They don't but that is how business is done.  That is also why other companies move HQ's to Ireland where they get a tax cut for doing business there.

So I did do the math with the taxes and after 5 years of construction tax revenue would be around  $44,100,000.  That's an average of 1000 construction workers a year making 100k.  

When the place is built and there is 25,000 people making on average 150K a year, that would be $1,653,750,000 in taxes in 5 years.

That is a ton of money that comes in every single year to the city.

What this does do is kill any lower income areas in a 25 mile radius of LIC which is already too high in my opinion.  If anyone has lived in Seattle or Austin and saw those cities explode this would be the same thing only worse.

Well how else do you eliminate poverty other than jobs? I think your assumption is that it's displacement rather than upward mobility.  I don't think there's one answer to that.

Education and equal opportunity.

tempo_n_groove

Halifax2TheMax said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Anyone want to explain why a company and individual that are worth billions and pay an effective 3% federal corporate tax rate need $1.5 billion in taxpayer subsidies to create jobs and open a headquarters?

They don't but that is how business is done.  That is also why other companies move HQ's to Ireland where they get a tax cut for doing business there.

So I did do the math with the taxes and after 5 years of construction tax revenue would be around  $44,100,000.  That's an average of 1000 construction workers a year making 100k.  

When the place is built and there is 25,000 people making on average 150K a year, that would be $1,653,750,000 in taxes in 5 years.

That is a ton of money that comes in every single year to the city.

What this does do is kill any lower income areas in a 25 mile radius of LIC which is already too high in my opinion.  If anyone has lived in Seattle or Austin and saw those cities explode this would be the same thing only worse.

“They don’t.” Full stop. 

Sounds Team Trump Treasonian, like declaring an emergency to fully fund the stupid wall. “I don’t really need to do this but........” people are fed up with the greed and disparity of wealth. 

You know that 14 page New Green Deal that Ocasio would like to do?  You need people making money and pay taxes to fund it.

2 way street.

CM189191

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Anyone want to explain why a company and individual that are worth billions and pay an effective 3% federal corporate tax rate need $1.5 billion in taxpayer subsidies to create jobs and open a headquarters?

They don't but that is how business is done.  That is also why other companies move HQ's to Ireland where they get a tax cut for doing business there.

So I did do the math with the taxes and after 5 years of construction tax revenue would be around  $44,100,000.  That's an average of 1000 construction workers a year making 100k.  

When the place is built and there is 25,000 people making on average 150K a year, that would be $1,653,750,000 in taxes in 5 years.

That is a ton of money that comes in every single year to the city.

What this does do is kill any lower income areas in a 25 mile radius of LIC which is already too high in my opinion.  If anyone has lived in Seattle or Austin and saw those cities explode this would be the same thing only worse.

Well how else do you eliminate poverty other than jobs? I think your assumption is that it's displacement rather than upward mobility.  I don't think there's one answer to that.

UBI
Universal Basic Income
That is how you eliminate poverty

Halifax2TheMax

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Anyone want to explain why a company and individual that are worth billions and pay an effective 3% federal corporate tax rate need $1.5 billion in taxpayer subsidies to create jobs and open a headquarters?

They don't but that is how business is done.  That is also why other companies move HQ's to Ireland where they get a tax cut for doing business there.

So I did do the math with the taxes and after 5 years of construction tax revenue would be around  $44,100,000.  That's an average of 1000 construction workers a year making 100k.  

When the place is built and there is 25,000 people making on average 150K a year, that would be $1,653,750,000 in taxes in 5 years.

That is a ton of money that comes in every single year to the city.

What this does do is kill any lower income areas in a 25 mile radius of LIC which is already too high in my opinion.  If anyone has lived in Seattle or Austin and saw those cities explode this would be the same thing only worse.

“They don’t.” Full stop. 

Sounds Team Trump Treasonian, like declaring an emergency to fully fund the stupid wall. “I don’t really need to do this but........” people are fed up with the greed and disparity of wealth. 

You know that 14 page New Green Deal that Ocasio would like to do?  You need people making money and pay taxes to fund it.

2 way street.

People already work and pay taxes. It’s about priorities and continuing down the CO2 path we’re on, makes Bezos and Amazon in LIC underwater by 2050. Priorities.

tempo_n_groove

CM189191 said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Anyone want to explain why a company and individual that are worth billions and pay an effective 3% federal corporate tax rate need $1.5 billion in taxpayer subsidies to create jobs and open a headquarters?

They don't but that is how business is done.  That is also why other companies move HQ's to Ireland where they get a tax cut for doing business there.

So I did do the math with the taxes and after 5 years of construction tax revenue would be around  $44,100,000.  That's an average of 1000 construction workers a year making 100k.  

When the place is built and there is 25,000 people making on average 150K a year, that would be $1,653,750,000 in taxes in 5 years.

That is a ton of money that comes in every single year to the city.

What this does do is kill any lower income areas in a 25 mile radius of LIC which is already too high in my opinion.  If anyone has lived in Seattle or Austin and saw those cities explode this would be the same thing only worse.

Well how else do you eliminate poverty other than jobs? I think your assumption is that it's displacement rather than upward mobility.  I don't think there's one answer to that.

UBI
Universal Basic Income
That is how you eliminate poverty

Andrew Yang fan?

cincybearcat

CM189191 said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Anyone want to explain why a company and individual that are worth billions and pay an effective 3% federal corporate tax rate need $1.5 billion in taxpayer subsidies to create jobs and open a headquarters?

They don't but that is how business is done.  That is also why other companies move HQ's to Ireland where they get a tax cut for doing business there.

So I did do the math with the taxes and after 5 years of construction tax revenue would be around  $44,100,000.  That's an average of 1000 construction workers a year making 100k.  

When the place is built and there is 25,000 people making on average 150K a year, that would be $1,653,750,000 in taxes in 5 years.

That is a ton of money that comes in every single year to the city.

What this does do is kill any lower income areas in a 25 mile radius of LIC which is already too high in my opinion.  If anyone has lived in Seattle or Austin and saw those cities explode this would be the same thing only worse.

Well how else do you eliminate poverty other than jobs? I think your assumption is that it's displacement rather than upward mobility.  I don't think there's one answer to that.

UBI
Universal Basic Income
That is how you eliminate poverty

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/future-perfect/2019/2/13/18220838/universal-basic-income-ubi-nber-study

This has some some very interesting points.

Halifax2TheMax

Seems the HQ was supposed to be in AOC’s district. Facts matter. Also seems Bezos didn’t return calls by DeBlasio and Coumo. Seems musky.

cincybearcat

Halifax2TheMax said:

Seems the HQ was supposed to be in AOC’s district. Facts matter. Also seems Bezos didn’t return calls by DeBlasio and Coumo. Seems musky.

What facts? I’m not exactly sure what you are saying matters at all to the discussion.

mrussel1

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Anyone want to explain why a company and individual that are worth billions and pay an effective 3% federal corporate tax rate need $1.5 billion in taxpayer subsidies to create jobs and open a headquarters?

They don't but that is how business is done.  That is also why other companies move HQ's to Ireland where they get a tax cut for doing business there.

So I did do the math with the taxes and after 5 years of construction tax revenue would be around  $44,100,000.  That's an average of 1000 construction workers a year making 100k.  

When the place is built and there is 25,000 people making on average 150K a year, that would be $1,653,750,000 in taxes in 5 years.

That is a ton of money that comes in every single year to the city.

What this does do is kill any lower income areas in a 25 mile radius of LIC which is already too high in my opinion.  If anyone has lived in Seattle or Austin and saw those cities explode this would be the same thing only worse.

Well how else do you eliminate poverty other than jobs? I think your assumption is that it's displacement rather than upward mobility.  I don't think there's one answer to that.

Education and equal opportunity.

Sure agreed.  And those things are needed to land a job... 25k of which just left town. 

Halifax2TheMax

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Seems the HQ was supposed to be in AOC’s district. Facts matter. Also seems Bezos didn’t return calls by DeBlasio and Coumo. Seems musky.

What facts? I’m not exactly sure what you are saying matters at all to the discussion.

Ok

cincybearcat

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Seems the HQ was supposed to be in AOC’s district. Facts matter. Also seems Bezos didn’t return calls by DeBlasio and Coumo. Seems musky.

What facts? I’m not exactly sure what you are saying matters at all to the discussion.

Ok

So what facts are you talking about?