Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,602
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Perfect for the onion.  

    Definitely don't want good jobs in the city.  Can't let capitalism win. 
    It all works out for AOC. The jobs go elsewhere and she gets those people to pay for a living wage for her people that are unwilling to work.
    Did we ever determine if that was actually in their release or was it fake?
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,072
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Perfect for the onion.  

    Definitely don't want good jobs in the city.  Can't let capitalism win. 
    It all works out for AOC. The jobs go elsewhere and she gets those people to pay for a living wage for her people that are unwilling to work.
    Did we ever determine if that was actually in their release or was it fake?
    Do you think she doesn’t want that?  Regardless? C’mon now. 

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  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Jury is still out for me regarding AOC. I want to like her. I do like her by default. But I'm annoyed by what I consider her utter lack of preparation for the job. Almost Trumpian. She's starry-eyed and full of enthusiasm, which is great. But she sure does have a lot to learn about real life. She's about 1/2 year older than my daughter, so I view her from that perspective. I want to encourage her to work for what she wants and to set high bars. But I also want to encourage her to use restraint and understand that she needs to learn the game before she can play it. She's made a number of foolish and naive moves, and has been swatted with the rolled up newspaper by Pelosi. Hopefully she'll learn quickly and can become not only a voice, but an effective voice for meaningful change. 
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    edited February 2019
    jeffbr said:
    Jury is still out for me regarding AOC. I want to like her. I do like her by default. But I'm annoyed by what I consider her utter lack of preparation for the job. Almost Trumpian. She's starry-eyed and full of enthusiasm, which is great. But she sure does have a lot to learn about real life. She's about 1/2 year older than my daughter, so I view her from that perspective. I want to encourage her to work for what she wants and to set high bars. But I also want to encourage her to use restraint and understand that she needs to learn the game before she can play it. She's made a number of foolish and naive moves, and has been swatted with the rolled up newspaper by Pelosi. Hopefully she'll learn quickly and can become not only a voice, but an effective voice for meaningful change. 
    She's pushing the old democrats with bold ideas and I think that's a great thing. I agree she has a lot to learn but she seems like an honest player (and on the right side of the issues and fight) and we could use more of that type in positions of power.

    And she pisses off a lot of Republicans, I like that, a lot. 
  • KN219077KN219077 Montana Posts: 891
    Her ideas sre literally the worst thought out of any politician,save for Trumps, that I have heard. Pretty sure ahe is trying to make a bame for herself, unfortunately she is going to be right beside Bernie Sanders in the public court of opinion.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,072
    dignin said:
    jeffbr said:
    Jury is still out for me regarding AOC. I want to like her. I do like her by default. But I'm annoyed by what I consider her utter lack of preparation for the job. Almost Trumpian. She's starry-eyed and full of enthusiasm, which is great. But she sure does have a lot to learn about real life. She's about 1/2 year older than my daughter, so I view her from that perspective. I want to encourage her to work for what she wants and to set high bars. But I also want to encourage her to use restraint and understand that she needs to learn the game before she can play it. She's made a number of foolish and naive moves, and has been swatted with the rolled up newspaper by Pelosi. Hopefully she'll learn quickly and can become not only a voice, but an effective voice for meaningful change. 
    She's pushing the old democrats with bold ideas and I think that's a great thing. I agree she has a lot to learn but she seems like an honest player (and on the right side of the issues and fight) and we could use more of that type in positions of power.

    And she pisses off a lot of Republicans, I like that, a lot. 
    Interesting. Republicans say the same about trump. 

    If you hate something...
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    dignin said:
    jeffbr said:
    Jury is still out for me regarding AOC. I want to like her. I do like her by default. But I'm annoyed by what I consider her utter lack of preparation for the job. Almost Trumpian. She's starry-eyed and full of enthusiasm, which is great. But she sure does have a lot to learn about real life. She's about 1/2 year older than my daughter, so I view her from that perspective. I want to encourage her to work for what she wants and to set high bars. But I also want to encourage her to use restraint and understand that she needs to learn the game before she can play it. She's made a number of foolish and naive moves, and has been swatted with the rolled up newspaper by Pelosi. Hopefully she'll learn quickly and can become not only a voice, but an effective voice for meaningful change. 
    She's pushing the old democrats with bold ideas and I think that's a great thing. I agree she has a lot to learn but she seems like an honest player (and on the right side of the issues and fight) and we could use more of that type in positions of power.

    And she pisses off a lot of Republicans, I like that, a lot. 
    Interesting. Republicans say the same about trump. 

    If you hate something...
    Just an added bonus, but not the goal.

    And just so were clear, I'm not a democrat. 
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    KN219077 said:
    Her ideas sre literally the worst thought out of any politician,save for Trumps, that I have heard. Pretty sure ahe is trying to make a bame for herself, unfortunately she is going to be right beside Bernie Sanders in the public court of opinion.
    Everyone is trying to make a bame for themselves these days. Millennials am I right!
  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,786

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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,072
    Her comments, if true make amazon awful.

    her coments, if not true make AOC slanderous and guilty of libel.


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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,072
    edited February 2019


    “When the community wanted to negotiate, Amazon said ‘all or nothing.’ They bailed when they didn’t get 100% of what they wanted,” Ocasio-Cortez tweeted. “Google came into NYC just fine. Amazon wanted to be Foxconn.”

    Huh, shes pretty new and she’s already calling the kettle black.

    She might learn some negotiating tactics, here suck ass.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,602


    “When the community wanted to negotiate, Amazon said ‘all or nothing.’ They bailed when they didn’t get 100% of what they wanted,” Ocasio-Cortez tweeted. “Google came into NYC just fine. Amazon wanted to be Foxconn.”

    Huh, shes pretty new and she’s already calling the kettle black.

    She might learn some negotiating tactics, here suck ass.
    Someone said it earlier, but I am starting to think she's the left Trump (without the overt corruption and philandering), inasmuch as she uses overheated rhetoric and invents connections between events.  
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,072
    mrussel1 said:


    “When the community wanted to negotiate, Amazon said ‘all or nothing.’ They bailed when they didn’t get 100% of what they wanted,” Ocasio-Cortez tweeted. “Google came into NYC just fine. Amazon wanted to be Foxconn.”

    Huh, shes pretty new and she’s already calling the kettle black.

    She might learn some negotiating tactics, here suck ass.
    Someone said it earlier, but I am starting to think she's the left Trump (without the overt corruption and philandering), inasmuch as she uses overheated rhetoric and invents connections between events.  
    Yup. And it goes to show people don’t hate the tactic if they agree with the politics. Scary 
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,473
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Perfect for the onion.  

    Definitely don't want good jobs in the city.  Can't let capitalism win. 
    It all works out for AOC. The jobs go elsewhere and she gets those people to pay for a living wage for her people that are unwilling to work.
    Did we ever determine if that was actually in their release or was it fake?
    Do you think she doesn’t want that?  Regardless? C’mon now. 

    C'mon now indeed. Don't fall prey to the propaganda and hyperbole. You're better than that.
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  • Jeff Bezos’ net worth is $141.35 BILLION dollars and he wanted $3BB in tax incentives. Fuck him. He could self fund his $3BB tax wish ten times and not feel an ounce of pain in his life style or amount of wealth. Fuck him and his greed.

    https://playback.fm/jeff-bezos-net-worth

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,602
    Jeff Bezos’ net worth is $141.35 BILLION dollars and he wanted $3BB in tax incentives. Fuck him. He could self fund his $3BB tax wish ten times and not feel an ounce of pain in his life style or amount of wealth. Fuck him and his greed.

    https://playback.fm/jeff-bezos-net-worth

    It's a public company, there's a board of directors and shareholders.  The state would earn that back many times over without a sniff.  They could have rebuilt the subway infrastructure which is in dire need in that area.  The state and city are both refusing to put up the money.  While you're right, Bezos could have paid the tax credit, now there will be nothing.  I'm sorry, there's no scenario where it's net net positive for 25k planned job, high paying jobs, leaving.  No matter how many ways someone spins what amazon could do. Now they'll do nothing.  
  • mrussel1 said:
    Jeff Bezos’ net worth is $141.35 BILLION dollars and he wanted $3BB in tax incentives. Fuck him. He could self fund his $3BB tax wish ten times and not feel an ounce of pain in his life style or amount of wealth. Fuck him and his greed.

    https://playback.fm/jeff-bezos-net-worth

    It's a public company, there's a board of directors and shareholders.  The state would earn that back many times over without a sniff.  They could have rebuilt the subway infrastructure which is in dire need in that area.  The state and city are both refusing to put up the money.  While you're right, Bezos could have paid the tax credit, now there will be nothing.  I'm sorry, there's no scenario where it's net net positive for 25k planned job, high paying jobs, leaving.  No matter how many ways someone spins what amazon could do. Now they'll do nothing.  
    And the tax payers won’t be subsiding someone with a net worth of $130+ billion and who’s corporation pays an effective tax rate of 3%. Sorry but it’s obscene.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,602
    mrussel1 said:
    Jeff Bezos’ net worth is $141.35 BILLION dollars and he wanted $3BB in tax incentives. Fuck him. He could self fund his $3BB tax wish ten times and not feel an ounce of pain in his life style or amount of wealth. Fuck him and his greed.

    https://playback.fm/jeff-bezos-net-worth

    It's a public company, there's a board of directors and shareholders.  The state would earn that back many times over without a sniff.  They could have rebuilt the subway infrastructure which is in dire need in that area.  The state and city are both refusing to put up the money.  While you're right, Bezos could have paid the tax credit, now there will be nothing.  I'm sorry, there's no scenario where it's net net positive for 25k planned job, high paying jobs, leaving.  No matter how many ways someone spins what amazon could do. Now they'll do nothing.  
    And the tax payers won’t be subsiding someone with a net worth of $130+ billion and who’s corporation pays an effective tax rate of 3%. Sorry but it’s obscene.
    Sure they took a stand and lost the jobs. What a tremendous victory of principle for the white people who didn't want them there.  And the 75% of minorities that did, lose out. 
  • mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Jeff Bezos’ net worth is $141.35 BILLION dollars and he wanted $3BB in tax incentives. Fuck him. He could self fund his $3BB tax wish ten times and not feel an ounce of pain in his life style or amount of wealth. Fuck him and his greed.

    https://playback.fm/jeff-bezos-net-worth

    It's a public company, there's a board of directors and shareholders.  The state would earn that back many times over without a sniff.  They could have rebuilt the subway infrastructure which is in dire need in that area.  The state and city are both refusing to put up the money.  While you're right, Bezos could have paid the tax credit, now there will be nothing.  I'm sorry, there's no scenario where it's net net positive for 25k planned job, high paying jobs, leaving.  No matter how many ways someone spins what amazon could do. Now they'll do nothing.  
    And the tax payers won’t be subsiding someone with a net worth of $130+ billion and who’s corporation pays an effective tax rate of 3%. Sorry but it’s obscene.
    Sure they took a stand and lost the jobs. What a tremendous victory of principle for the white people who didn't want them there.  And the 75% of minorities that did, lose out. 
    These guys don’t need tax breaks or tax credits to create jobs. Just build the HQ with your own wealth. Immoral.

    https://www.investopedia.com/articles/insights/052816/top-4-amazon-shareholders-amzn.asp


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  • KN219077KN219077 Montana Posts: 891
    dignin said:
    KN219077 said:
    Her ideas sre literally the worst thought out of any politician,save for Trumps, that I have heard. Pretty sure ahe is trying to make a bame for herself, unfortunately she is going to be right beside Bernie Sanders in the public court of opinion.
    Everyone is trying to make a bame for themselves these days. Millennials am I right!
    Zing!!!! I must have been really tired when I wrote that! All sorts of mistakes, I'd like to take my bame off of that.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,602
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Jeff Bezos’ net worth is $141.35 BILLION dollars and he wanted $3BB in tax incentives. Fuck him. He could self fund his $3BB tax wish ten times and not feel an ounce of pain in his life style or amount of wealth. Fuck him and his greed.

    https://playback.fm/jeff-bezos-net-worth

    It's a public company, there's a board of directors and shareholders.  The state would earn that back many times over without a sniff.  They could have rebuilt the subway infrastructure which is in dire need in that area.  The state and city are both refusing to put up the money.  While you're right, Bezos could have paid the tax credit, now there will be nothing.  I'm sorry, there's no scenario where it's net net positive for 25k planned job, high paying jobs, leaving.  No matter how many ways someone spins what amazon could do. Now they'll do nothing.  
    And the tax payers won’t be subsiding someone with a net worth of $130+ billion and who’s corporation pays an effective tax rate of 3%. Sorry but it’s obscene.
    Sure they took a stand and lost the jobs. What a tremendous victory of principle for the white people who didn't want them there.  And the 75% of minorities that did, lose out. 
    These guys don’t need tax breaks or tax credits to create jobs. Just build the HQ with your own wealth. Immoral.

    https://www.investopedia.com/articles/insights/052816/top-4-amazon-shareholders-amzn.asp


    So you think AOC and the others would have been perfectly fine with Amazon coming in if there weren't any tax breaks?
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,821
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Jeff Bezos’ net worth is $141.35 BILLION dollars and he wanted $3BB in tax incentives. Fuck him. He could self fund his $3BB tax wish ten times and not feel an ounce of pain in his life style or amount of wealth. Fuck him and his greed.

    https://playback.fm/jeff-bezos-net-worth

    It's a public company, there's a board of directors and shareholders.  The state would earn that back many times over without a sniff.  They could have rebuilt the subway infrastructure which is in dire need in that area.  The state and city are both refusing to put up the money.  While you're right, Bezos could have paid the tax credit, now there will be nothing.  I'm sorry, there's no scenario where it's net net positive for 25k planned job, high paying jobs, leaving.  No matter how many ways someone spins what amazon could do. Now they'll do nothing.  
    And the tax payers won’t be subsiding someone with a net worth of $130+ billion and who’s corporation pays an effective tax rate of 3%. Sorry but it’s obscene.
    Sure they took a stand and lost the jobs. What a tremendous victory of principle for the white people who didn't want them there.  And the 75% of minorities that did, lose out. 
    These guys don’t need tax breaks or tax credits to create jobs. Just build the HQ with your own wealth. Immoral.

    https://www.investopedia.com/articles/insights/052816/top-4-amazon-shareholders-amzn.asp


    So you think AOC and the others would have been perfectly fine with Amazon coming in if there weren't any tax breaks?
    Probably not completely fine, because the issues around housing costs would still exist, but likely a bit more satisfied that the rich weren’t just getting richer. 
     
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,602
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Jeff Bezos’ net worth is $141.35 BILLION dollars and he wanted $3BB in tax incentives. Fuck him. He could self fund his $3BB tax wish ten times and not feel an ounce of pain in his life style or amount of wealth. Fuck him and his greed.

    https://playback.fm/jeff-bezos-net-worth

    It's a public company, there's a board of directors and shareholders.  The state would earn that back many times over without a sniff.  They could have rebuilt the subway infrastructure which is in dire need in that area.  The state and city are both refusing to put up the money.  While you're right, Bezos could have paid the tax credit, now there will be nothing.  I'm sorry, there's no scenario where it's net net positive for 25k planned job, high paying jobs, leaving.  No matter how many ways someone spins what amazon could do. Now they'll do nothing.  
    And the tax payers won’t be subsiding someone with a net worth of $130+ billion and who’s corporation pays an effective tax rate of 3%. Sorry but it’s obscene.
    Sure they took a stand and lost the jobs. What a tremendous victory of principle for the white people who didn't want them there.  And the 75% of minorities that did, lose out. 
    These guys don’t need tax breaks or tax credits to create jobs. Just build the HQ with your own wealth. Immoral.

    https://www.investopedia.com/articles/insights/052816/top-4-amazon-shareholders-amzn.asp


    So you think AOC and the others would have been perfectly fine with Amazon coming in if there weren't any tax breaks?
    Probably not completely fine, because the issues around housing costs would still exist, but likely a bit more satisfied that the rich weren’t just getting richer. 
     
    So if I said to you... hey I know I promised you a thousand dollars,  but if you don't make me pay now,  I'll pay it all back in the next two years.  Plus two of my friends (ancillary economic activity) will each give you 500 bucks a year,  and after the third year,  you'll get 1000 bucks a year for the next 25. You'd say... fuck that,  I know you have a thousand bucks in your wallet.  Pay me that now or leave. 
  • mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Jeff Bezos’ net worth is $141.35 BILLION dollars and he wanted $3BB in tax incentives. Fuck him. He could self fund his $3BB tax wish ten times and not feel an ounce of pain in his life style or amount of wealth. Fuck him and his greed.

    https://playback.fm/jeff-bezos-net-worth

    It's a public company, there's a board of directors and shareholders.  The state would earn that back many times over without a sniff.  They could have rebuilt the subway infrastructure which is in dire need in that area.  The state and city are both refusing to put up the money.  While you're right, Bezos could have paid the tax credit, now there will be nothing.  I'm sorry, there's no scenario where it's net net positive for 25k planned job, high paying jobs, leaving.  No matter how many ways someone spins what amazon could do. Now they'll do nothing.  
    And the tax payers won’t be subsiding someone with a net worth of $130+ billion and who’s corporation pays an effective tax rate of 3%. Sorry but it’s obscene.
    Sure they took a stand and lost the jobs. What a tremendous victory of principle for the white people who didn't want them there.  And the 75% of minorities that did, lose out. 
    These guys don’t need tax breaks or tax credits to create jobs. Just build the HQ with your own wealth. Immoral.

    https://www.investopedia.com/articles/insights/052816/top-4-amazon-shareholders-amzn.asp


    So you think AOC and the others would have been perfectly fine with Amazon coming in if there weren't any tax breaks?
    Probably not completely fine, because the issues around housing costs would still exist, but likely a bit more satisfied that the rich weren’t just getting richer. 
     
    So if I said to you... hey I know I promised you a thousand dollars,  but if you don't make me pay now,  I'll pay it all back in the next two years.  Plus two of my friends (ancillary economic activity) will each give you 500 bucks a year,  and after the third year,  you'll get 1000 bucks a year for the next 25. You'd say... fuck that,  I know you have a thousand bucks in your wallet.  Pay me that now or leave. 
    Please explain to me why any company or individual worth amazon or Bezos worth needs tax payer subsidies? Why do they need public funds to create jobs when their own net worth and value is way more than sufficient? They’re no longer a “start up.”
     
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,072
    They can go to a bank and Wall Street for their “loan” if they’re too cheap to pay for it themselves. It’s fucking obscene and immoral.
    Well no actually, they’ll just go to another location. It’s competitive to attract jobs.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,602
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    Jeff Bezos’ net worth is $141.35 BILLION dollars and he wanted $3BB in tax incentives. Fuck him. He could self fund his $3BB tax wish ten times and not feel an ounce of pain in his life style or amount of wealth. Fuck him and his greed.

    https://playback.fm/jeff-bezos-net-worth

    It's a public company, there's a board of directors and shareholders.  The state would earn that back many times over without a sniff.  They could have rebuilt the subway infrastructure which is in dire need in that area.  The state and city are both refusing to put up the money.  While you're right, Bezos could have paid the tax credit, now there will be nothing.  I'm sorry, there's no scenario where it's net net positive for 25k planned job, high paying jobs, leaving.  No matter how many ways someone spins what amazon could do. Now they'll do nothing.  
    And the tax payers won’t be subsiding someone with a net worth of $130+ billion and who’s corporation pays an effective tax rate of 3%. Sorry but it’s obscene.
    Sure they took a stand and lost the jobs. What a tremendous victory of principle for the white people who didn't want them there.  And the 75% of minorities that did, lose out. 
    These guys don’t need tax breaks or tax credits to create jobs. Just build the HQ with your own wealth. Immoral.

    https://www.investopedia.com/articles/insights/052816/top-4-amazon-shareholders-amzn.asp


    So you think AOC and the others would have been perfectly fine with Amazon coming in if there weren't any tax breaks?
    Probably not completely fine, because the issues around housing costs would still exist, but likely a bit more satisfied that the rich weren’t just getting richer. 
     
    So if I said to you... hey I know I promised you a thousand dollars,  but if you don't make me pay now,  I'll pay it all back in the next two years.  Plus two of my friends (ancillary economic activity) will each give you 500 bucks a year,  and after the third year,  you'll get 1000 bucks a year for the next 25. You'd say... fuck that,  I know you have a thousand bucks in your wallet.  Pay me that now or leave. 
    Please explain to me why any company or individual worth amazon or Bezos worth needs tax payer subsidies? Why do they need public funds to create jobs when their own net worth and value is way more than sufficient? They’re no longer a “start up.”
     
    Just curious if you'd take the deal.  
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,602
    They can go to a bank and Wall Street for their “loan” if they’re too cheap to pay for it themselves. It’s fucking obscene and immoral.
    It ain't a loan, it's an investment.  See that's the problem with how the local NY politicians viewed this.  We didn't see this as a giveaway in VA, we saw it as a huge ROI opportunity, and teh chance to increase VA's foothold in the tech market, pulling it from the west coast.  
  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    They can go to a bank and Wall Street for their “loan” if they’re too cheap to pay for it themselves. It’s fucking obscene and immoral.
    Well no actually, they’ll just go to another location. It’s competitive to attract jobs.
    This. A public corporation has a fiduciary responsibility/obligation to maximize shareholder return. So if they can benefit from some cost savings it makes sense to do so. If they can't find those savings in one place they'll go find them somewhere else. And as mrussell has pointed out, those incentives that municipalities create can lead to additional ancillary revenue streams, allowing them to recoup those incentives over time if done right.  
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