Anyone want to explain why a company and individual that are worth billions and pay an effective 3% federal corporate tax rate need $1.5 billion in taxpayer subsidies to create jobs and open a headquarters?
They don't but that is how business is done. That is also why other companies move HQ's to Ireland where they get a tax cut for doing business there.
So I did do the math with the taxes and after 5 years of construction tax revenue would be around $44,100,000. That's an average of 1000 construction workers a year making 100k.
When the place is built and there is 25,000 people making on average 150K a year, that would be $1,653,750,000 in taxes in 5 years.
That is a ton of money that comes in every single year to the city.
What this does do is kill any lower income areas in a 25 mile radius of LIC which is already too high in my opinion. If anyone has lived in Seattle or Austin and saw those cities explode this would be the same thing only worse.
Well how else do you eliminate poverty other than jobs? I think your assumption is that it's displacement rather than upward mobility. I don't think there's one answer to that.
Education and equal opportunity.
Sure agreed. And those things are needed to land a job... 25k of which just left town.
Good luck to VA and all those so fortunate to work for Amazon. Wish them all well.
Two separate articles in NYT, one said her district, the other said Mahoney’s? Regardless, the answer is, “they don’t.”
One of the articles written in NYT doesn't even understand how to read a map, they must be looking at the old structure of the districts... That is a shame.
Two separate articles in NYT, one said her district, the other said Mahoney’s? Regardless, the answer is, “they don’t.”
One of the articles written in NYT doesn't even understand how to read a map, they must be looking at the old structure of the districts... That is a shame.
I will agree w "they don't" because they aren't.
Regardless of the erroneous information reagarding districts,the bottom line is that there were questions beyond the HQ, Seattle acted out of their league and there’s an election in 2020. Early money on AOC getting re-elected?
Two separate articles in NYT, one said her district, the other said Mahoney’s? Regardless, the answer is, “they don’t.”
One of the articles written in NYT doesn't even understand how to read a map, they must be looking at the old structure of the districts... That is a shame.
I will agree w "they don't" because they aren't.
Regardless of the erroneous information reagarding districts,the bottom line is that there were questions beyond the HQ, Seattle acted out of their league and there’s an election in 2020. Early money on AOC getting re-elected?
What questions?
AOC gets re-elected because her district loves her. Her political career ends there though.
Two separate articles in NYT, one said her district, the other said Mahoney’s? Regardless, the answer is, “they don’t.”
One of the articles written in NYT doesn't even understand how to read a map, they must be looking at the old structure of the districts... That is a shame.
I will agree w "they don't" because they aren't.
Regardless of the erroneous information reagarding districts,the bottom line is that there were questions beyond the HQ, Seattle acted out of their league and there’s an election in 2020. Early money on AOC getting re-elected?
What questions?
AOC gets re-elected because her district loves her. Her political career ends there though.
Next speaker of the house? Does AOC have staying power? Ends where?
Two separate articles in NYT, one said her district, the other said Mahoney’s? Regardless, the answer is, “they don’t.”
One of the articles written in NYT doesn't even understand how to read a map, they must be looking at the old structure of the districts... That is a shame.
I will agree w "they don't" because they aren't.
Regardless of the erroneous information reagarding districts,the bottom line is that there were questions beyond the HQ, Seattle acted out of their league and there’s an election in 2020. Early money on AOC getting re-elected?
What questions?
AOC gets re-elected because her district loves her. Her political career ends there though.
Next speaker of the house? Does AOC have staying power? Ends where?
Maybe in 35 years for speaker. That would be lunacy of the party.
Two separate articles in NYT, one said her district, the other said Mahoney’s? Regardless, the answer is, “they don’t.”
One of the articles written in NYT doesn't even understand how to read a map, they must be looking at the old structure of the districts... That is a shame.
I will agree w "they don't" because they aren't.
Regardless of the erroneous information reagarding districts,the bottom line is that there were questions beyond the HQ, Seattle acted out of their league and there’s an election in 2020. Early money on AOC getting re-elected?
What questions?
AOC gets re-elected because her district loves her. Her political career ends there though.
Next speaker of the house? Does AOC have staying power? Ends where?
Speaker is a dead end job so that is possible.
She will be a fringe for staying power.
Her career ends with her being a congress woman. She could get speaker but I don't think she is a good fit. She will do activism after this most likely and have a core group of followers.
I like her moxy, but it is a bit misguided. You can't completely destroy certain industries and expect to recover from eliminating them.
Ahh, what questions: I’m slow, but helipads, inability of foreigners to understand local politics, and egos. “Carpet bagging” comes to mind.
like I said, I hope VA and all those hired, thrive. LIC will be fine.
LIC was fine before this. It is the most built up part of any Burrough besides Hudson yards.
As for helipads? I don't know how hard those are to come by in NY?
You mentioned local politics and egos? Those two things hold a lot of weight here in NY. Most construction companies that come here from out of state don't last long because they don't understand the culture.
Ahh, what questions: I’m slow, but helipads, inability of foreigners to understand local politics, and egos. “Carpet bagging” comes to mind.
like I said, I hope VA and all those hired, thrive. LIC will be fine.
LIC was fine before this. It is the most built up part of any Burrough besides Hudson yards.
As for helipads? I don't know how hard those are to come by in NY?
You mentioned local politics and egos? Those two things hold a lot of weight here in NY. Most construction companies that come here from out of state don't last long because they don't understand the culture.
You think Bezos wanted to Carpet Bag in NY?
I think Bezos wants more a more a more and doesn’t get what it takes to play local, hard ball real world politics, because in the end, some, say fuck you, like Malcolm Butler. This sense of entitlement because I’m who I am, roll over. Guess what?fuck you. He’s as inexperienced as AOC, at least she’s broken a nail and withered her hands.
And what many forget is, Team Trump Treason and his hatred for Bezos and the fake news WaPo and his back yard. No mention. TTT wanted him to fail.
Or was TTT to preoccupied with China to realize the opportunity? Suckers.
Ahh, what questions: I’m slow, but helipads, inability of foreigners to understand local politics, and egos. “Carpet bagging” comes to mind.
like I said, I hope VA and all those hired, thrive. LIC will be fine.
LIC was fine before this. It is the most built up part of any Burrough besides Hudson yards.
As for helipads? I don't know how hard those are to come by in NY?
You mentioned local politics and egos? Those two things hold a lot of weight here in NY. Most construction companies that come here from out of state don't last long because they don't understand the culture.
You think Bezos wanted to Carpet Bag in NY?
I think Bezos wants more a more a more and doesn’t get what it takes to play local, hard ball real world politics, because in the end, some, say fuck you, like Malcolm Butler. This sense of entitlement because I’m who I am, roll over. Guess what?fuck you. He’s as inexperienced as AOC, at least she’s broken a nail and withered her hands.
And what many forget is, Team Trump Treason and his hatred for Bezos and the fake news WaPo and his back yard. No mention. TTT wanted him to fail.
Or was TTT to preoccupied with China to realize the opportunity? Suckers.
Your view on this is like what Glen Beck did. Crazy innuendos...
The thinking of anyone hating on Bezos to me is just like what happened to Microsoft . New Money coming in and disrupting the old money.
When one person comes in with so much power the staus quo needs to take them down, which isn't so bad though.
Ahh, what questions: I’m slow, but helipads, inability of foreigners to understand local politics, and egos. “Carpet bagging” comes to mind.
like I said, I hope VA and all those hired, thrive. LIC will be fine.
LIC was fine before this. It is the most built up part of any Burrough besides Hudson yards.
As for helipads? I don't know how hard those are to come by in NY?
You mentioned local politics and egos? Those two things hold a lot of weight here in NY. Most construction companies that come here from out of state don't last long because they don't understand the culture.
You think Bezos wanted to Carpet Bag in NY?
I think Bezos wants more a more a more and doesn’t get what it takes to play local, hard ball real world politics, because in the end, some, say fuck you, like Malcolm Butler. This sense of entitlement because I’m who I am, roll over. Guess what?fuck you. He’s as inexperienced as AOC, at least she’s broken a nail and withered her hands.
And what many forget is, Team Trump Treason and his hatred for Bezos and the fake news WaPo and his back yard. No mention. TTT wanted him to fail.
Or was TTT to preoccupied with China to realize the opportunity? Suckers.
Your view on this is like what Glen Beck did. Crazy innuendos...
The thinking of anyone hating on Bezos to me is just like what happened to Microsoft . New Money coming in and disrupting the old money.
When one person comes in with so much power the staus quo needs to take them down, which isn't so bad though.
Thoughts?
Who is glen Beck? Seriously, maybe I need a chalk board with arrows ?
Bottom line? Seems like Bezos and team wasn’t ready to deal with the market, ie it’s dense, it’s entrenched and there’s not a lot of room for error. Hardball. Nobody will miss it except Bezos. But then again,he can double down on virginity . When one individual owns more than,say, Vietnam? Question why someone with that expanse of wealth won’t put up. Sucker?
Ahh, what questions: I’m slow, but helipads, inability of foreigners to understand local politics, and egos. “Carpet bagging” comes to mind.
like I said, I hope VA and all those hired, thrive. LIC will be fine.
LIC was fine before this. It is the most built up part of any Burrough besides Hudson yards.
As for helipads? I don't know how hard those are to come by in NY?
You mentioned local politics and egos? Those two things hold a lot of weight here in NY. Most construction companies that come here from out of state don't last long because they don't understand the culture.
You think Bezos wanted to Carpet Bag in NY?
I think Bezos wants more a more a more and doesn’t get what it takes to play local, hard ball real world politics, because in the end, some, say fuck you, like Malcolm Butler. This sense of entitlement because I’m who I am, roll over. Guess what?fuck you. He’s as inexperienced as AOC, at least she’s broken a nail and withered her hands.
And what many forget is, Team Trump Treason and his hatred for Bezos and the fake news WaPo and his back yard. No mention. TTT wanted him to fail.
Or was TTT to preoccupied with China to realize the opportunity? Suckers.
Your view on this is like what Glen Beck did. Crazy innuendos...
The thinking of anyone hating on Bezos to me is just like what happened to Microsoft . New Money coming in and disrupting the old money.
When one person comes in with so much power the staus quo needs to take them down, which isn't so bad though.
Thoughts?
Status quo has changed. Isn’t that what occupy Wall Street and Bernie was all about? Who’s taking Bezos down? Wall Street? No, duly elected representatives. 2020.
Ahh, what questions: I’m slow, but helipads, inability of foreigners to understand local politics, and egos. “Carpet bagging” comes to mind.
like I said, I hope VA and all those hired, thrive. LIC will be fine.
LIC was fine before this. It is the most built up part of any Burrough besides Hudson yards.
As for helipads? I don't know how hard those are to come by in NY?
You mentioned local politics and egos? Those two things hold a lot of weight here in NY. Most construction companies that come here from out of state don't last long because they don't understand the culture.
You think Bezos wanted to Carpet Bag in NY?
I think Bezos wants more a more a more and doesn’t get what it takes to play local, hard ball real world politics, because in the end, some, say fuck you, like Malcolm Butler. This sense of entitlement because I’m who I am, roll over. Guess what?fuck you. He’s as inexperienced as AOC, at least she’s broken a nail and withered her hands.
And what many forget is, Team Trump Treason and his hatred for Bezos and the fake news WaPo and his back yard. No mention. TTT wanted him to fail.
Or was TTT to preoccupied with China to realize the opportunity? Suckers.
Your view on this is like what Glen Beck did. Crazy innuendos...
The thinking of anyone hating on Bezos to me is just like what happened to Microsoft . New Money coming in and disrupting the old money.
When one person comes in with so much power the staus quo needs to take them down, which isn't so bad though.
Thoughts?
Who is glen Beck? Seriously, maybe I need a chalk board with arrows ?
Bottom line? Seems like Bezos and team wasn’t ready to deal with the market, ie it’s dense, it’s entrenched and there’s not a lot of room for error. Hardball. Nobody will miss it except Bezos. But then again,he can double down on virginity . When one individual owns more than,say, Vietnam? Question why someone with that expanse of wealth won’t put up. Sucker?
Are you trolling? No one will miss it but Bezos? He's the last person that gets hurt in this. The first people are the locals who lose out a new economic activity and opportunity. You're celebrating palm greasing and New York machine politics.
Ahh, what questions: I’m slow, but helipads, inability of foreigners to understand local politics, and egos. “Carpet bagging” comes to mind.
like I said, I hope VA and all those hired, thrive. LIC will be fine.
LIC was fine before this. It is the most built up part of any Burrough besides Hudson yards.
As for helipads? I don't know how hard those are to come by in NY?
You mentioned local politics and egos? Those two things hold a lot of weight here in NY. Most construction companies that come here from out of state don't last long because they don't understand the culture.
You think Bezos wanted to Carpet Bag in NY?
I think Bezos wants more a more a more and doesn’t get what it takes to play local, hard ball real world politics, because in the end, some, say fuck you, like Malcolm Butler. This sense of entitlement because I’m who I am, roll over. Guess what?fuck you. He’s as inexperienced as AOC, at least she’s broken a nail and withered her hands.
And what many forget is, Team Trump Treason and his hatred for Bezos and the fake news WaPo and his back yard. No mention. TTT wanted him to fail.
Or was TTT to preoccupied with China to realize the opportunity? Suckers.
Your view on this is like what Glen Beck did. Crazy innuendos...
The thinking of anyone hating on Bezos to me is just like what happened to Microsoft . New Money coming in and disrupting the old money.
When one person comes in with so much power the staus quo needs to take them down, which isn't so bad though.
Thoughts?
Who is glen Beck? Seriously, maybe I need a chalk board with arrows ?
Bottom line? Seems like Bezos and team wasn’t ready to deal with the market, ie it’s dense, it’s entrenched and there’s not a lot of room for error. Hardball. Nobody will miss it except Bezos. But then again,he can double down on virginity . When one individual owns more than,say, Vietnam? Question why someone with that expanse of wealth won’t put up. Sucker?
Are you trolling? No one will miss it but Bezos? He's the last person that gets hurt in this. The first people are the locals who lose out a new economic activity and opportunity. You're celebrating palm greasing and New York machine politics.
I’m arguing against the idea that an individual worth $131 billion dollars needs a $3 billion dollar subsidy to create jobs when in fact he could pay for it himself and not miss a step. It’s arrogance of the highest degree and then to assume that because of your wealth, you don’t have to understand the local ground game and that everyone will just roll over for you because you’re promising jobs. I would love to see a spreadsheet of those 25K jobs by position, by salary band, by number per. Why the secrecy of details? Why not transparency? Why the fear of unionization of your warehouse operations? If everything is all unicorns and rainbows, show the details. And when it got a little hot, threw a hissy fit and stomped off. 200 other locations put in for it so maybe they’ll be so lucky. But it also seems some of those 25K jobs are being created in other existing NYC locations now so how serious was Bezos to begin with?
Ahh, what questions: I’m slow, but helipads, inability of foreigners to understand local politics, and egos. “Carpet bagging” comes to mind.
like I said, I hope VA and all those hired, thrive. LIC will be fine.
LIC was fine before this. It is the most built up part of any Burrough besides Hudson yards.
As for helipads? I don't know how hard those are to come by in NY?
You mentioned local politics and egos? Those two things hold a lot of weight here in NY. Most construction companies that come here from out of state don't last long because they don't understand the culture.
You think Bezos wanted to Carpet Bag in NY?
I think Bezos wants more a more a more and doesn’t get what it takes to play local, hard ball real world politics, because in the end, some, say fuck you, like Malcolm Butler. This sense of entitlement because I’m who I am, roll over. Guess what?fuck you. He’s as inexperienced as AOC, at least she’s broken a nail and withered her hands.
And what many forget is, Team Trump Treason and his hatred for Bezos and the fake news WaPo and his back yard. No mention. TTT wanted him to fail.
Or was TTT to preoccupied with China to realize the opportunity? Suckers.
Your view on this is like what Glen Beck did. Crazy innuendos...
The thinking of anyone hating on Bezos to me is just like what happened to Microsoft . New Money coming in and disrupting the old money.
When one person comes in with so much power the staus quo needs to take them down, which isn't so bad though.
Thoughts?
Who is glen Beck? Seriously, maybe I need a chalk board with arrows ?
Bottom line? Seems like Bezos and team wasn’t ready to deal with the market, ie it’s dense, it’s entrenched and there’s not a lot of room for error. Hardball. Nobody will miss it except Bezos. But then again,he can double down on virginity . When one individual owns more than,say, Vietnam? Question why someone with that expanse of wealth won’t put up. Sucker?
Are you trolling? No one will miss it but Bezos? He's the last person that gets hurt in this. The first people are the locals who lose out a new economic activity and opportunity. You're celebrating palm greasing and New York machine politics.
I’m arguing against the idea that an individual worth $131 billion dollars needs a $3 billion dollar subsidy to create jobs when in fact he could pay for it himself and not miss a step. It’s arrogance of the highest degree and then to assume that because of your wealth, you don’t have to understand the local ground game and that everyone will just roll over for you because you’re promising jobs. I would love to see a spreadsheet of those 25K jobs by position, by salary band, by number per. Why the secrecy of details? Why not transparency? Why the fear of unionization of your warehouse operations? If everything is all unicorns and rainbows, show the details. And when it got a little hot, threw a hissy fit and stomped off. 200 other locations put in for it so maybe they’ll be so lucky. But it also seems some of those 25K jobs are being created in other existing NYC locations now so how serious was Bezos to begin with?
They cut a deal with the governor and the mayor. Any missteps regarding the hacks on the ground is the fault of the NY politicians that cut the deal, not Amazon. You have a really bizarre outlook on this whole thing. I tend to think they you are so into your "team" that you will defend anything, regardless of how contorted you need to make the arguments. "Why the secrecy of the details"... that's a preposterous argument. Why fear unionization? Because every business is against unionization, this isn't an Amazon thing. And yeah, Amazon will be fine, but the 75% of blacks and Latinos who supported their entrance into the city...well maybe they will be fine, but I'm sure AOC will take good care of them with the massive political failures she has achieved in only 5 short weeks.
Ahh, what questions: I’m slow, but helipads, inability of foreigners to understand local politics, and egos. “Carpet bagging” comes to mind.
like I said, I hope VA and all those hired, thrive. LIC will be fine.
LIC was fine before this. It is the most built up part of any Burrough besides Hudson yards.
As for helipads? I don't know how hard those are to come by in NY?
You mentioned local politics and egos? Those two things hold a lot of weight here in NY. Most construction companies that come here from out of state don't last long because they don't understand the culture.
You think Bezos wanted to Carpet Bag in NY?
I think Bezos wants more a more a more and doesn’t get what it takes to play local, hard ball real world politics, because in the end, some, say fuck you, like Malcolm Butler. This sense of entitlement because I’m who I am, roll over. Guess what?fuck you. He’s as inexperienced as AOC, at least she’s broken a nail and withered her hands.
And what many forget is, Team Trump Treason and his hatred for Bezos and the fake news WaPo and his back yard. No mention. TTT wanted him to fail.
Or was TTT to preoccupied with China to realize the opportunity? Suckers.
Your view on this is like what Glen Beck did. Crazy innuendos...
The thinking of anyone hating on Bezos to me is just like what happened to Microsoft . New Money coming in and disrupting the old money.
When one person comes in with so much power the staus quo needs to take them down, which isn't so bad though.
Thoughts?
Who is glen Beck? Seriously, maybe I need a chalk board with arrows ?
Bottom line? Seems like Bezos and team wasn’t ready to deal with the market, ie it’s dense, it’s entrenched and there’s not a lot of room for error. Hardball. Nobody will miss it except Bezos. But then again,he can double down on virginity . When one individual owns more than,say, Vietnam? Question why someone with that expanse of wealth won’t put up. Sucker?
Are you trolling? No one will miss it but Bezos? He's the last person that gets hurt in this. The first people are the locals who lose out a new economic activity and opportunity. You're celebrating palm greasing and New York machine politics.
I’m arguing against the idea that an individual worth $131 billion dollars needs a $3 billion dollar subsidy to create jobs when in fact he could pay for it himself and not miss a step. It’s arrogance of the highest degree and then to assume that because of your wealth, you don’t have to understand the local ground game and that everyone will just roll over for you because you’re promising jobs. I would love to see a spreadsheet of those 25K jobs by position, by salary band, by number per. Why the secrecy of details? Why not transparency? Why the fear of unionization of your warehouse operations? If everything is all unicorns and rainbows, show the details. And when it got a little hot, threw a hissy fit and stomped off. 200 other locations put in for it so maybe they’ll be so lucky. But it also seems some of those 25K jobs are being created in other existing NYC locations now so how serious was Bezos to begin with?
They cut a deal with the governor and the mayor. Any missteps regarding the hacks on the ground is the fault of the NY politicians that cut the deal, not Amazon. You have a really bizarre outlook on this whole thing. I tend to think they you are so into your "team" that you will defend anything, regardless of how contorted you need to make the arguments. "Why the secrecy of the details"... that's a preposterous argument. Why fear unionization? Because every business is against unionization, this isn't an Amazon thing. And yeah, Amazon will be fine, but the 75% of blacks and Latinos who supported their entrance into the city...well maybe they will be fine, but I'm sure AOC will take good care of them with the massive political failures she has achieved in only 5 short weeks.
Didn’t you say “they didn’t,” when I asked you if Amazon or Bezos needed that $3B in subsidies? And to answer your question regarding transparency, it’s tax dollars. It belongs to the tax payers. You want secrecy? Go to Wall Street for your (Bezos, not you) funding. I don’t understand this desire to make the filthy rich more filthy rich. Where’s the morality in that? Did you read the WaPo article where Amazon paid zero federal taxes on $11.2 billion last year. Meanwhile, NYC’s infrastructure that is used by LIC residents is crumbling. Again, if it’s all unicorns and rainbows, why doesn’t Bezos and Amazon just do it?
Ahh, what questions: I’m slow, but helipads, inability of foreigners to understand local politics, and egos. “Carpet bagging” comes to mind.
like I said, I hope VA and all those hired, thrive. LIC will be fine.
LIC was fine before this. It is the most built up part of any Burrough besides Hudson yards.
As for helipads? I don't know how hard those are to come by in NY?
You mentioned local politics and egos? Those two things hold a lot of weight here in NY. Most construction companies that come here from out of state don't last long because they don't understand the culture.
You think Bezos wanted to Carpet Bag in NY?
I think Bezos wants more a more a more and doesn’t get what it takes to play local, hard ball real world politics, because in the end, some, say fuck you, like Malcolm Butler. This sense of entitlement because I’m who I am, roll over. Guess what?fuck you. He’s as inexperienced as AOC, at least she’s broken a nail and withered her hands.
And what many forget is, Team Trump Treason and his hatred for Bezos and the fake news WaPo and his back yard. No mention. TTT wanted him to fail.
Or was TTT to preoccupied with China to realize the opportunity? Suckers.
Your view on this is like what Glen Beck did. Crazy innuendos...
The thinking of anyone hating on Bezos to me is just like what happened to Microsoft . New Money coming in and disrupting the old money.
When one person comes in with so much power the staus quo needs to take them down, which isn't so bad though.
Thoughts?
Who is glen Beck? Seriously, maybe I need a chalk board with arrows ?
Bottom line? Seems like Bezos and team wasn’t ready to deal with the market, ie it’s dense, it’s entrenched and there’s not a lot of room for error. Hardball. Nobody will miss it except Bezos. But then again,he can double down on virginity . When one individual owns more than,say, Vietnam? Question why someone with that expanse of wealth won’t put up. Sucker?
Are you trolling? No one will miss it but Bezos? He's the last person that gets hurt in this. The first people are the locals who lose out a new economic activity and opportunity. You're celebrating palm greasing and New York machine politics.
I’m arguing against the idea that an individual worth $131 billion dollars needs a $3 billion dollar subsidy to create jobs when in fact he could pay for it himself and not miss a step. It’s arrogance of the highest degree and then to assume that because of your wealth, you don’t have to understand the local ground game and that everyone will just roll over for you because you’re promising jobs. I would love to see a spreadsheet of those 25K jobs by position, by salary band, by number per. Why the secrecy of details? Why not transparency? Why the fear of unionization of your warehouse operations? If everything is all unicorns and rainbows, show the details. And when it got a little hot, threw a hissy fit and stomped off. 200 other locations put in for it so maybe they’ll be so lucky. But it also seems some of those 25K jobs are being created in other existing NYC locations now so how serious was Bezos to begin with?
They cut a deal with the governor and the mayor. Any missteps regarding the hacks on the ground is the fault of the NY politicians that cut the deal, not Amazon. You have a really bizarre outlook on this whole thing. I tend to think they you are so into your "team" that you will defend anything, regardless of how contorted you need to make the arguments. "Why the secrecy of the details"... that's a preposterous argument. Why fear unionization? Because every business is against unionization, this isn't an Amazon thing. And yeah, Amazon will be fine, but the 75% of blacks and Latinos who supported their entrance into the city...well maybe they will be fine, but I'm sure AOC will take good care of them with the massive political failures she has achieved in only 5 short weeks.
Didn’t you say “they didn’t,” when I asked you if Amazon or Bezos needed that $3B in subsidies? And to answer your question regarding transparency, it’s tax dollars. It belongs to the tax payers. You want secrecy? Go to Wall Street for your (Bezos, not you) funding. I don’t understand this desire to make the filthy rich more filthy rich. Where’s the morality in that? Did you read the WaPo article where Amazon paid zero federal taxes on $11.2 billion last year. Meanwhile, NYC’s infrastructure that is used by LIC residents is crumbling. Again, if it’s all unicorns and rainbows, why doesn’t Bezos and Amazon just do it?
Need has nothing to do with it. A company has a duty to its shareholders and employees to charge the price where supply meets demand. Not to charge the minimum to stay in business. It's not a non-profit. Regarding transparency, just because you don't fucking know doesn't mean Deblasio and Cuomo didn't know, or the other members of the state negotiating with the deal. I hardly think this is the reason the deal fell apart even if you care about it. Regarding FEDERAL taxes (which don't help the New Yorkers), I'm not defending the federal corporate tax structure. But that has zero to do with any of this. It's a competitive landscape. Amazon chose NY for lots of reasons. They surely could have got an even better tax deal from KS, AR or any number of states. But now, because of the over the top rhetoric of AOC and the rest of her band of idiots, the jobs will go somewhere else. Amazon isn't leaving the US, they aren't going to stop negotiating for tax rebates, and they aren't going to become pro-union because of this either. But hey, again, great win for AOC. Her genius is just shining through. I guess she slept through her 4000 level econ courses.
Ahh, what questions: I’m slow, but helipads, inability of foreigners to understand local politics, and egos. “Carpet bagging” comes to mind.
like I said, I hope VA and all those hired, thrive. LIC will be fine.
LIC was fine before this. It is the most built up part of any Burrough besides Hudson yards.
As for helipads? I don't know how hard those are to come by in NY?
You mentioned local politics and egos? Those two things hold a lot of weight here in NY. Most construction companies that come here from out of state don't last long because they don't understand the culture.
You think Bezos wanted to Carpet Bag in NY?
I think Bezos wants more a more a more and doesn’t get what it takes to play local, hard ball real world politics, because in the end, some, say fuck you, like Malcolm Butler. This sense of entitlement because I’m who I am, roll over. Guess what?fuck you. He’s as inexperienced as AOC, at least she’s broken a nail and withered her hands.
And what many forget is, Team Trump Treason and his hatred for Bezos and the fake news WaPo and his back yard. No mention. TTT wanted him to fail.
Or was TTT to preoccupied with China to realize the opportunity? Suckers.
Your view on this is like what Glen Beck did. Crazy innuendos...
The thinking of anyone hating on Bezos to me is just like what happened to Microsoft . New Money coming in and disrupting the old money.
When one person comes in with so much power the staus quo needs to take them down, which isn't so bad though.
Thoughts?
Who is glen Beck? Seriously, maybe I need a chalk board with arrows ?
Bottom line? Seems like Bezos and team wasn’t ready to deal with the market, ie it’s dense, it’s entrenched and there’s not a lot of room for error. Hardball. Nobody will miss it except Bezos. But then again,he can double down on virginity . When one individual owns more than,say, Vietnam? Question why someone with that expanse of wealth won’t put up. Sucker?
Are you trolling? No one will miss it but Bezos? He's the last person that gets hurt in this. The first people are the locals who lose out a new economic activity and opportunity. You're celebrating palm greasing and New York machine politics.
I’m arguing against the idea that an individual worth $131 billion dollars needs a $3 billion dollar subsidy to create jobs when in fact he could pay for it himself and not miss a step. It’s arrogance of the highest degree and then to assume that because of your wealth, you don’t have to understand the local ground game and that everyone will just roll over for you because you’re promising jobs. I would love to see a spreadsheet of those 25K jobs by position, by salary band, by number per. Why the secrecy of details? Why not transparency? Why the fear of unionization of your warehouse operations? If everything is all unicorns and rainbows, show the details. And when it got a little hot, threw a hissy fit and stomped off. 200 other locations put in for it so maybe they’ll be so lucky. But it also seems some of those 25K jobs are being created in other existing NYC locations now so how serious was Bezos to begin with?
They cut a deal with the governor and the mayor. Any missteps regarding the hacks on the ground is the fault of the NY politicians that cut the deal, not Amazon. You have a really bizarre outlook on this whole thing. I tend to think they you are so into your "team" that you will defend anything, regardless of how contorted you need to make the arguments. "Why the secrecy of the details"... that's a preposterous argument. Why fear unionization? Because every business is against unionization, this isn't an Amazon thing. And yeah, Amazon will be fine, but the 75% of blacks and Latinos who supported their entrance into the city...well maybe they will be fine, but I'm sure AOC will take good care of them with the massive political failures she has achieved in only 5 short weeks.
Didn’t you say “they didn’t,” when I asked you if Amazon or Bezos needed that $3B in subsidies? And to answer your question regarding transparency, it’s tax dollars. It belongs to the tax payers. You want secrecy? Go to Wall Street for your (Bezos, not you) funding. I don’t understand this desire to make the filthy rich more filthy rich. Where’s the morality in that? Did you read the WaPo article where Amazon paid zero federal taxes on $11.2 billion last year. Meanwhile, NYC’s infrastructure that is used by LIC residents is crumbling. Again, if it’s all unicorns and rainbows, why doesn’t Bezos and Amazon just do it?
Need has nothing to do with it. A company has a duty to its shareholders and employees to charge the price where supply meets demand. Not to charge the minimum to stay in business. It's not a non-profit. Regarding transparency, just because you don't fucking know doesn't mean Deblasio and Cuomo didn't know, or the other members of the state negotiating with the deal. I hardly think this is the reason the deal fell apart even if you care about it. Regarding FEDERAL taxes (which don't help the New Yorkers), I'm not defending the federal corporate tax structure. But that has zero to do with any of this. It's a competitive landscape. Amazon chose NY for lots of reasons. They surely could have got an even better tax deal from KS, AR or any number of states. But now, because of the over the top rhetoric of AOC and the rest of her band of idiots, the jobs will go somewhere else. Amazon isn't leaving the US, they aren't going to stop negotiating for tax rebates, and they aren't going to become pro-union because of this either. But hey, again, great win for AOC. Her genius is just shining through. I guess she slept through her 4000 level econ courses.
If “need has nothing to do with it,” why the fuck are they asking for it? They can spend their own damn money to bless the residents of NY with their jobs. I hope folks have fun listening to the wind in KS. Start ups need the grease, billionaire individuals and corporations do not. And we’ll see if AOC gets re-elected or not, her sleeping habits notwithstanding.
Ahh, what questions: I’m slow, but helipads, inability of foreigners to understand local politics, and egos. “Carpet bagging” comes to mind.
like I said, I hope VA and all those hired, thrive. LIC will be fine.
LIC was fine before this. It is the most built up part of any Burrough besides Hudson yards.
As for helipads? I don't know how hard those are to come by in NY?
You mentioned local politics and egos? Those two things hold a lot of weight here in NY. Most construction companies that come here from out of state don't last long because they don't understand the culture.
You think Bezos wanted to Carpet Bag in NY?
I think Bezos wants more a more a more and doesn’t get what it takes to play local, hard ball real world politics, because in the end, some, say fuck you, like Malcolm Butler. This sense of entitlement because I’m who I am, roll over. Guess what?fuck you. He’s as inexperienced as AOC, at least she’s broken a nail and withered her hands.
And what many forget is, Team Trump Treason and his hatred for Bezos and the fake news WaPo and his back yard. No mention. TTT wanted him to fail.
Or was TTT to preoccupied with China to realize the opportunity? Suckers.
Your view on this is like what Glen Beck did. Crazy innuendos...
The thinking of anyone hating on Bezos to me is just like what happened to Microsoft . New Money coming in and disrupting the old money.
When one person comes in with so much power the staus quo needs to take them down, which isn't so bad though.
Thoughts?
Who is glen Beck? Seriously, maybe I need a chalk board with arrows ?
Bottom line? Seems like Bezos and team wasn’t ready to deal with the market, ie it’s dense, it’s entrenched and there’s not a lot of room for error. Hardball. Nobody will miss it except Bezos. But then again,he can double down on virginity . When one individual owns more than,say, Vietnam? Question why someone with that expanse of wealth won’t put up. Sucker?
Are you trolling? No one will miss it but Bezos? He's the last person that gets hurt in this. The first people are the locals who lose out a new economic activity and opportunity. You're celebrating palm greasing and New York machine politics.
I’m arguing against the idea that an individual worth $131 billion dollars needs a $3 billion dollar subsidy to create jobs when in fact he could pay for it himself and not miss a step. It’s arrogance of the highest degree and then to assume that because of your wealth, you don’t have to understand the local ground game and that everyone will just roll over for you because you’re promising jobs. I would love to see a spreadsheet of those 25K jobs by position, by salary band, by number per. Why the secrecy of details? Why not transparency? Why the fear of unionization of your warehouse operations? If everything is all unicorns and rainbows, show the details. And when it got a little hot, threw a hissy fit and stomped off. 200 other locations put in for it so maybe they’ll be so lucky. But it also seems some of those 25K jobs are being created in other existing NYC locations now so how serious was Bezos to begin with?
They cut a deal with the governor and the mayor. Any missteps regarding the hacks on the ground is the fault of the NY politicians that cut the deal, not Amazon. You have a really bizarre outlook on this whole thing. I tend to think they you are so into your "team" that you will defend anything, regardless of how contorted you need to make the arguments. "Why the secrecy of the details"... that's a preposterous argument. Why fear unionization? Because every business is against unionization, this isn't an Amazon thing. And yeah, Amazon will be fine, but the 75% of blacks and Latinos who supported their entrance into the city...well maybe they will be fine, but I'm sure AOC will take good care of them with the massive political failures she has achieved in only 5 short weeks.
Didn’t you say “they didn’t,” when I asked you if Amazon or Bezos needed that $3B in subsidies? And to answer your question regarding transparency, it’s tax dollars. It belongs to the tax payers. You want secrecy? Go to Wall Street for your (Bezos, not you) funding. I don’t understand this desire to make the filthy rich more filthy rich. Where’s the morality in that? Did you read the WaPo article where Amazon paid zero federal taxes on $11.2 billion last year. Meanwhile, NYC’s infrastructure that is used by LIC residents is crumbling. Again, if it’s all unicorns and rainbows, why doesn’t Bezos and Amazon just do it?
Need has nothing to do with it. A company has a duty to its shareholders and employees to charge the price where supply meets demand. Not to charge the minimum to stay in business. It's not a non-profit. Regarding transparency, just because you don't fucking know doesn't mean Deblasio and Cuomo didn't know, or the other members of the state negotiating with the deal. I hardly think this is the reason the deal fell apart even if you care about it. Regarding FEDERAL taxes (which don't help the New Yorkers), I'm not defending the federal corporate tax structure. But that has zero to do with any of this. It's a competitive landscape. Amazon chose NY for lots of reasons. They surely could have got an even better tax deal from KS, AR or any number of states. But now, because of the over the top rhetoric of AOC and the rest of her band of idiots, the jobs will go somewhere else. Amazon isn't leaving the US, they aren't going to stop negotiating for tax rebates, and they aren't going to become pro-union because of this either. But hey, again, great win for AOC. Her genius is just shining through. I guess she slept through her 4000 level econ courses.
If “need has nothing to do with it,” why the fuck are they asking for it? They can spend their own damn money to bless the residents of NY with their jobs. I hope folks have fun listening to the wind in KS. Start ups need the grease, billionaire individuals and corporations do not. And we’ll see if AOC gets re-elected or not, her sleeping habits notwithstanding.
We've been through this.... it's fiduciary duty to the shareholders. 3 billion in incentives between now and 2028 and 20 billion in tax dollars paid. Make me that ratio deal on any amount, and you have a deal. But AOC can keep pushing for $15 min wage while pushing out $58 per hour. I'm tired of this conversation, but it was interesting. Thanks. We'll see the next thing she does to put herself on front page.
Ahh, what questions: I’m slow, but helipads, inability of foreigners to understand local politics, and egos. “Carpet bagging” comes to mind.
like I said, I hope VA and all those hired, thrive. LIC will be fine.
LIC was fine before this. It is the most built up part of any Burrough besides Hudson yards.
As for helipads? I don't know how hard those are to come by in NY?
You mentioned local politics and egos? Those two things hold a lot of weight here in NY. Most construction companies that come here from out of state don't last long because they don't understand the culture.
You think Bezos wanted to Carpet Bag in NY?
I think Bezos wants more a more a more and doesn’t get what it takes to play local, hard ball real world politics, because in the end, some, say fuck you, like Malcolm Butler. This sense of entitlement because I’m who I am, roll over. Guess what?fuck you. He’s as inexperienced as AOC, at least she’s broken a nail and withered her hands.
And what many forget is, Team Trump Treason and his hatred for Bezos and the fake news WaPo and his back yard. No mention. TTT wanted him to fail.
Or was TTT to preoccupied with China to realize the opportunity? Suckers.
Your view on this is like what Glen Beck did. Crazy innuendos...
The thinking of anyone hating on Bezos to me is just like what happened to Microsoft . New Money coming in and disrupting the old money.
When one person comes in with so much power the staus quo needs to take them down, which isn't so bad though.
Thoughts?
Who is glen Beck? Seriously, maybe I need a chalk board with arrows ?
Bottom line? Seems like Bezos and team wasn’t ready to deal with the market, ie it’s dense, it’s entrenched and there’s not a lot of room for error. Hardball. Nobody will miss it except Bezos. But then again,he can double down on virginity . When one individual owns more than,say, Vietnam? Question why someone with that expanse of wealth won’t put up. Sucker?
Are you trolling? No one will miss it but Bezos? He's the last person that gets hurt in this. The first people are the locals who lose out a new economic activity and opportunity. You're celebrating palm greasing and New York machine politics.
I’m arguing against the idea that an individual worth $131 billion dollars needs a $3 billion dollar subsidy to create jobs when in fact he could pay for it himself and not miss a step. It’s arrogance of the highest degree and then to assume that because of your wealth, you don’t have to understand the local ground game and that everyone will just roll over for you because you’re promising jobs. I would love to see a spreadsheet of those 25K jobs by position, by salary band, by number per. Why the secrecy of details? Why not transparency? Why the fear of unionization of your warehouse operations? If everything is all unicorns and rainbows, show the details. And when it got a little hot, threw a hissy fit and stomped off. 200 other locations put in for it so maybe they’ll be so lucky. But it also seems some of those 25K jobs are being created in other existing NYC locations now so how serious was Bezos to begin with?
They cut a deal with the governor and the mayor. Any missteps regarding the hacks on the ground is the fault of the NY politicians that cut the deal, not Amazon. You have a really bizarre outlook on this whole thing. I tend to think they you are so into your "team" that you will defend anything, regardless of how contorted you need to make the arguments. "Why the secrecy of the details"... that's a preposterous argument. Why fear unionization? Because every business is against unionization, this isn't an Amazon thing. And yeah, Amazon will be fine, but the 75% of blacks and Latinos who supported their entrance into the city...well maybe they will be fine, but I'm sure AOC will take good care of them with the massive political failures she has achieved in only 5 short weeks.
Didn’t you say “they didn’t,” when I asked you if Amazon or Bezos needed that $3B in subsidies? And to answer your question regarding transparency, it’s tax dollars. It belongs to the tax payers. You want secrecy? Go to Wall Street for your (Bezos, not you) funding. I don’t understand this desire to make the filthy rich more filthy rich. Where’s the morality in that? Did you read the WaPo article where Amazon paid zero federal taxes on $11.2 billion last year. Meanwhile, NYC’s infrastructure that is used by LIC residents is crumbling. Again, if it’s all unicorns and rainbows, why doesn’t Bezos and Amazon just do it?
Need has nothing to do with it. A company has a duty to its shareholders and employees to charge the price where supply meets demand. Not to charge the minimum to stay in business. It's not a non-profit. Regarding transparency, just because you don't fucking know doesn't mean Deblasio and Cuomo didn't know, or the other members of the state negotiating with the deal. I hardly think this is the reason the deal fell apart even if you care about it. Regarding FEDERAL taxes (which don't help the New Yorkers), I'm not defending the federal corporate tax structure. But that has zero to do with any of this. It's a competitive landscape. Amazon chose NY for lots of reasons. They surely could have got an even better tax deal from KS, AR or any number of states. But now, because of the over the top rhetoric of AOC and the rest of her band of idiots, the jobs will go somewhere else. Amazon isn't leaving the US, they aren't going to stop negotiating for tax rebates, and they aren't going to become pro-union because of this either. But hey, again, great win for AOC. Her genius is just shining through. I guess she slept through her 4000 level econ courses.
If “need has nothing to do with it,” why the fuck are they asking for it? They can spend their own damn money to bless the residents of NY with their jobs. I hope folks have fun listening to the wind in KS. Start ups need the grease, billionaire individuals and corporations do not. And we’ll see if AOC gets re-elected or not, her sleeping habits notwithstanding.
We've been through this.... it's fiduciary duty to the shareholders. 3 billion in incentives between now and 2028 and 20 billion in tax dollars paid. Make me that ratio deal on any amount, and you have a deal. But AOC can keep pushing for $15 min wage while pushing out $58 per hour. I'm tired of this conversation, but it was interesting. Thanks. We'll see the next thing she does to put herself on front page.
Yup, agree to disagree. I believe human welfare should take priority over corporate welfare and that share holders shouldn’t be subsidized. To each their own.
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The area that the proposed site was at was in LIC which is not in AOC's district. She is district 14 and LIC is district 12.
"Ocasio-Cortez, whose Bronx and Queens district borders Long Island City, celebrated the announcement as a win for grassroots activism."
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https://www.businessinsider.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-celebrates-amazon-hq2-retreat-from-new-york-2019-2
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I will agree w "they don't" because they aren't.
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AOC gets re-elected because her district loves her. Her political career ends there though.
Next speaker of the house? Does AOC have staying power? Ends where?
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like I said, I hope VA and all those hired, thrive. LIC will be fine.
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She will be a fringe for staying power.
Her career ends with her being a congress woman. She could get speaker but I don't think she is a good fit. She will do activism after this most likely and have a core group of followers.
I like her moxy, but it is a bit misguided. You can't completely destroy certain industries and expect to recover from eliminating them.
As for helipads? I don't know how hard those are to come by in NY?
You mentioned local politics and egos? Those two things hold a lot of weight here in NY. Most construction companies that come here from out of state don't last long because they don't understand the culture.
You think Bezos wanted to Carpet Bag in NY?
And what many forget is, Team Trump Treason and his hatred for Bezos and the fake news WaPo and his back yard. No mention. TTT wanted him to fail.
Or was TTT to preoccupied with China to realize the opportunity? Suckers.
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The thinking of anyone hating on Bezos to me is just like what happened to Microsoft . New Money coming in and disrupting the old money.
When one person comes in with so much power the staus quo needs to take them down, which isn't so bad though.
Thoughts?
Bottom line? Seems like Bezos and team wasn’t ready to deal with the market, ie it’s dense, it’s entrenched and there’s not a lot of room for error. Hardball. Nobody will miss it except Bezos. But then again,he can double down on virginity .
When one individual owns more than,say, Vietnam? Question why someone with that expanse of wealth won’t put up. Sucker?
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Whose got the stocks? Amazon stocks in your holdings? Be honest.
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Regarding FEDERAL taxes (which don't help the New Yorkers), I'm not defending the federal corporate tax structure. But that has zero to do with any of this. It's a competitive landscape. Amazon chose NY for lots of reasons. They surely could have got an even better tax deal from KS, AR or any number of states. But now, because of the over the top rhetoric of AOC and the rest of her band of idiots, the jobs will go somewhere else. Amazon isn't leaving the US, they aren't going to stop negotiating for tax rebates, and they aren't going to become pro-union because of this either. But hey, again, great win for AOC. Her genius is just shining through. I guess she slept through her 4000 level econ courses.
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I'm tired of this conversation, but it was interesting. Thanks. We'll see the next thing she does to put herself on front page.
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