Elizabeth Warren and Her Ancestry. Thoughts?

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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    "Cling to their guns & religion"

    "Basket of deplorables"

    Elitism had as much to do with this as racism & sexism, whether people like it or not. That's a fact, Jack 

    Keep it up, and it will keep happening 
  • my2hands said:
    "Cling to their guns & religion"

    "Basket of deplorables"

    Elitism had as much to do with this as racism & sexism, whether people like it or not. That's a fact, Jack 

    Keep it up, and it will keep happening 

    So are you saying that these people need to be finessed a bit and they will come to their senses and change their votes?

    This definitely seems to be what you are implying over and over. I disagree.

    I think that these simple bastards you speak of are 100% fixed in their value system and if there is any good in them, they are so conflicted it wouldn't matter if their candidate is compromised by their country's biggest historical opponent, has a history of cheating people, chronically lies, bangs prostitutes, grabs p**sies, mocked disabled people, insulted veterans, is a fat tub of shit, has a mushroom d*ck, and cannot even go poo without buggering that simple task up (among a wide range of other things). 

    I think that- given they endorse such a man no matter what- it doesn't matter how you treat them. So... may as well call a spade a spade. There's no need to 'respect' idiocy or immorality. 
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,072
    my2hands said:
    "Cling to their guns & religion"

    "Basket of deplorables"

    Elitism had as much to do with this as racism & sexism, whether people like it or not. That's a fact, Jack 

    Keep it up, and it will keep happening 

    So are you saying that these people need to be finessed a bit and they will come to their senses and change their votes?

    This definitely seems to be what you are implying over and over. I disagree.

    I think that these simple bastards you speak of are 100% fixed in their value system and if there is any good in them, they are so conflicted it wouldn't matter if their candidate is compromised by their country's biggest historical opponent, has a history of cheating people, chronically lies, bangs prostitutes, grabs p**sies, mocked disabled people, insulted veterans, is a fat tub of shit, has a mushroom d*ck, and cannot even go poo without buggering that simple task up (among a wide range of other things). 

    I think that- given they endorse such a man no matter what- it doesn't matter how you treat them. So... may as well call a spade a spade. There's no need to 'respect' idiocy or immorality. 
    This is an interesting topic for me.  I tend to agree with My2Hands.  Because it's not about trying to change the minds of people that won't change. It's about the visual seen by the independents and others.  Now - the reality is that Trump and his supporters have done far worse so it probably shouldn't matter.  But my opinion is don't give them any ammo.  
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,821
    my2hands said:
    "Cling to their guns & religion"

    "Basket of deplorables"

    Elitism had as much to do with this as racism & sexism, whether people like it or not. That's a fact, Jack 

    Keep it up, and it will keep happening 

    So are you saying that these people need to be finessed a bit and they will come to their senses and change their votes?

    This definitely seems to be what you are implying over and over. I disagree.

    I think that these simple bastards you speak of are 100% fixed in their value system and if there is any good in them, they are so conflicted it wouldn't matter if their candidate is compromised by their country's biggest historical opponent, has a history of cheating people, chronically lies, bangs prostitutes, grabs p**sies, mocked disabled people, insulted veterans, is a fat tub of shit, has a mushroom d*ck, and cannot even go poo without buggering that simple task up (among a wide range of other things). 

    I think that- given they endorse such a man no matter what- it doesn't matter how you treat them. So... may as well call a spade a spade. There's no need to 'respect' idiocy or immorality. 
    This is an interesting topic for me.  I tend to agree with My2Hands.  Because it's not about trying to change the minds of people that won't change. It's about the visual seen by the independents and others.  Now - the reality is that Trump and his supporters have done far worse so it probably shouldn't matter.  But my opinion is don't give them any ammo.  
    That’s a different issue, though. The independents and undecided voters likely need to be reached differently than the dyed in the wool republicans, and I think that’s what we’ve been referring to. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,408
    I wanna see what happens with 75-85%plus participation
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  • mickeyrat said:
    I wanna see what happens with 75-85%plus participation

    This.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • mickeyrat said:
    I wanna see what happens with 75-85%plus participation

    This.
    Never going to happen.
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,195
    mickeyrat said:
    I wanna see what happens with 75-85%plus participation
    It would make for a very interesting election and at least give us a much clearer picture of where people stand in this country. Maybe Trump will motivate that type of turnout in 2020. If we can't reach a 3/4 population turnout for the upcoming presidential election then we never will. I guess I'll never understand those who choose not to vote. No candidate is perfect, but there has got to be someone who at least represents a majority of your ideals or someone who completely does not and is not who you want to win. Maybe I'm being naive because so much of the country has resigned to the fact that no matter what, nothing changes for them personally no matter who is president so they just don't care anymore.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,094
    mickeyrat said:
    I wanna see what happens with 75-85%plus participation


    Are you referring to Voter turnout?

    If so, check out the wiki for 2016 elections for fla, pa and oh

    Turnout was at or above 70% and democrats lost all of those states by plenty of votes.

    Dems focusing on turnout first is usually a catastrophic disaster. Dems win when they have a winning message communicated effectively.

    When they do that, turnout will take care of  itself
  • mickeyrat said:
    I wanna see what happens with 75-85%plus participation


    Are you referring to Voter turnout?

    If so, check out the wiki for 2016 elections for fla, pa and oh

    Turnout was at or above 70% and democrats lost all of those states by plenty of votes.

    Dems focusing on turnout first is usually a catastrophic disaster. Dems win when they have a winning message communicated effectively.

    When they do that, turnout will take care of  itself
    Hence the focus on the “issues,” particularly local issues, district/state. Healthcare, education, wages, environment, gender equality. No “basket of deplorable” or “clinging to their guns and religion,” rhetoric. And very little talk of impeachment of Team Trump Treason as most voters want the “evidence” first. Me? On that issue, like Team Trump Treason, I’m going with my gut. But with the constant lies, assists from putin on the ritz and disenfranchisement of voters, anything is possible.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,592
    mickeyrat said:
    I wanna see what happens with 75-85%plus participation


    Are you referring to Voter turnout?

    If so, check out the wiki for 2016 elections for fla, pa and oh

    Turnout was at or above 70% and democrats lost all of those states by plenty of votes.

    Dems focusing on turnout first is usually a catastrophic disaster. Dems win when they have a winning message communicated effectively.

    When they do that, turnout will take care of  itself
    Trump would not be president if more people had shown up at the polls.  Too many Clinton votes were lost by too many people assuming she had it in the bag.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,473
    mickeyrat said:
    I wanna see what happens with 75-85%plus participation

    This.
    Never going to happen.
    Voting should be mandatory.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    I wanna see what happens with 75-85%plus participation


    Are you referring to Voter turnout?

    If so, check out the wiki for 2016 elections for fla, pa and oh

    Turnout was at or above 70% and democrats lost all of those states by plenty of votes.

    Dems focusing on turnout first is usually a catastrophic disaster. Dems win when they have a winning message communicated effectively.

    When they do that, turnout will take care of  itself
    Trump would not be president if more people had shown up at the polls.  Too many Clinton votes were lost by too many people assuming she had it in the bag.
    Or Hillary was an awful candidate and had no enthusiasm behind her as a candidate? I actually believe if Hillary were a male candidate she would have lost the popular vote as well, she was awful


  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,592
    my2hands said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    I wanna see what happens with 75-85%plus participation


    Are you referring to Voter turnout?

    If so, check out the wiki for 2016 elections for fla, pa and oh

    Turnout was at or above 70% and democrats lost all of those states by plenty of votes.

    Dems focusing on turnout first is usually a catastrophic disaster. Dems win when they have a winning message communicated effectively.

    When they do that, turnout will take care of  itself
    Trump would not be president if more people had shown up at the polls.  Too many Clinton votes were lost by too many people assuming she had it in the bag.
    Or Hillary was an awful candidate and had no enthusiasm behind her as a candidate? I actually believe if Hillary were a male candidate she would have lost the popular vote as well, she was awful


    I didn't vote for her or Trump (but I live in a state that was 100% for sure going to give Hillary it's electoral college votes).
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    brianlux said:
    my2hands said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    I wanna see what happens with 75-85%plus participation


    Are you referring to Voter turnout?

    If so, check out the wiki for 2016 elections for fla, pa and oh

    Turnout was at or above 70% and democrats lost all of those states by plenty of votes.

    Dems focusing on turnout first is usually a catastrophic disaster. Dems win when they have a winning message communicated effectively.

    When they do that, turnout will take care of  itself
    Trump would not be president if more people had shown up at the polls.  Too many Clinton votes were lost by too many people assuming she had it in the bag.
    Or Hillary was an awful candidate and had no enthusiasm behind her as a candidate? I actually believe if Hillary were a male candidate she would have lost the popular vote as well, she was awful


    I didn't vote for her or Trump (but I live in a state that was 100% for sure going to give Hillary it's electoral college votes).
    Did you vote for Obama?
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    my2hands said:
    brianlux said:
    my2hands said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    I wanna see what happens with 75-85%plus participation


    Are you referring to Voter turnout?

    If so, check out the wiki for 2016 elections for fla, pa and oh

    Turnout was at or above 70% and democrats lost all of those states by plenty of votes.

    Dems focusing on turnout first is usually a catastrophic disaster. Dems win when they have a winning message communicated effectively.

    When they do that, turnout will take care of  itself
    Trump would not be president if more people had shown up at the polls.  Too many Clinton votes were lost by too many people assuming she had it in the bag.
    Or Hillary was an awful candidate and had no enthusiasm behind her as a candidate? I actually believe if Hillary were a male candidate she would have lost the popular vote as well, she was awful


    I didn't vote for her or Trump (but I live in a state that was 100% for sure going to give Hillary it's electoral college votes).
    Did you vote for Obama?
    That's a real question.

    My assumption is you voted for Obama despite him being a lock to take CA both times. And then didnt vote for Hillary. 

    Democrats only need to look at their awful robot elit7st candidate to realize why Trump lost. But I guess its easier to label 60 million morons and racists than own the loss. 

    Dont blame me, I voted for Bernie in the primary. 
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,473
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    brianlux said:
    my2hands said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    I wanna see what happens with 75-85%plus participation


    Are you referring to Voter turnout?

    If so, check out the wiki for 2016 elections for fla, pa and oh

    Turnout was at or above 70% and democrats lost all of those states by plenty of votes.

    Dems focusing on turnout first is usually a catastrophic disaster. Dems win when they have a winning message communicated effectively.

    When they do that, turnout will take care of  itself
    Trump would not be president if more people had shown up at the polls.  Too many Clinton votes were lost by too many people assuming she had it in the bag.
    Or Hillary was an awful candidate and had no enthusiasm behind her as a candidate? I actually believe if Hillary were a male candidate she would have lost the popular vote as well, she was awful


    I didn't vote for her or Trump (but I live in a state that was 100% for sure going to give Hillary it's electoral college votes).
    Did you vote for Obama?
    That's a real question.

    My assumption is you voted for Obama despite him being a lock to take CA both times. And then didnt vote for Hillary. 

    Democrats only need to look at their awful robot elit7st candidate to realize why Trump lost. But I guess its easier to label 60 million morons and racists than own the loss. 

    Dont blame me, I voted for Bernie in the primary. 
    I think anyone would vote for Trump for ANY reason is scum. Hillary has nothing to do with it.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    brianlux said:
    my2hands said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    I wanna see what happens with 75-85%plus participation


    Are you referring to Voter turnout?

    If so, check out the wiki for 2016 elections for fla, pa and oh

    Turnout was at or above 70% and democrats lost all of those states by plenty of votes.

    Dems focusing on turnout first is usually a catastrophic disaster. Dems win when they have a winning message communicated effectively.

    When they do that, turnout will take care of  itself
    Trump would not be president if more people had shown up at the polls.  Too many Clinton votes were lost by too many people assuming she had it in the bag.
    Or Hillary was an awful candidate and had no enthusiasm behind her as a candidate? I actually believe if Hillary were a male candidate she would have lost the popular vote as well, she was awful


    I didn't vote for her or Trump (but I live in a state that was 100% for sure going to give Hillary it's electoral college votes).
    Did you vote for Obama?
    That's a real question.

    My assumption is you voted for Obama despite him being a lock to take CA both times. And then didnt vote for Hillary. 

    Democrats only need to look at their awful robot elit7st candidate to realize why Trump lost. But I guess its easier to label 60 million morons and racists than own the loss. 

    Dont blame me, I voted for Bernie in the primary. 
    I think anyone would vote for Trump for ANY reason is scum. Hillary has nothing to do with it.
    I disagree. I know some trump voters, they are not scum. I definitely disagree with them politically, but that doesnt make them scum.

    Why would you paint them all with such a broad brush? Were people that voted for W in 2004 scum? Are people who supported Bill Clinton scum? A married man with a daughter getting blown by a young intern in the oval office is about as scumbag as it gets in my opinion
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,473
    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    brianlux said:
    my2hands said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    I wanna see what happens with 75-85%plus participation


    Are you referring to Voter turnout?

    If so, check out the wiki for 2016 elections for fla, pa and oh

    Turnout was at or above 70% and democrats lost all of those states by plenty of votes.

    Dems focusing on turnout first is usually a catastrophic disaster. Dems win when they have a winning message communicated effectively.

    When they do that, turnout will take care of  itself
    Trump would not be president if more people had shown up at the polls.  Too many Clinton votes were lost by too many people assuming she had it in the bag.
    Or Hillary was an awful candidate and had no enthusiasm behind her as a candidate? I actually believe if Hillary were a male candidate she would have lost the popular vote as well, she was awful


    I didn't vote for her or Trump (but I live in a state that was 100% for sure going to give Hillary it's electoral college votes).
    Did you vote for Obama?
    That's a real question.

    My assumption is you voted for Obama despite him being a lock to take CA both times. And then didnt vote for Hillary. 

    Democrats only need to look at their awful robot elit7st candidate to realize why Trump lost. But I guess its easier to label 60 million morons and racists than own the loss. 

    Dont blame me, I voted for Bernie in the primary. 
    I think anyone would vote for Trump for ANY reason is scum. Hillary has nothing to do with it.
    I disagree. I know some trump voters, they are not scum. I definitely disagree with them politically, but that doesnt make them scum.

    Why would you paint them all with such a broad brush? Were people that voted for W in 2004 scum? Are people who supported Bill Clinton scum? A married man with a daughter getting blown by a young intern in the oval office is about as scumbag as it gets in my opinion
    Fine. I disagree. Anyone who would vote for that piece of shit, after ALL the terrible things they knew about him, have no real moral compass at all. I think there is NO excuse for it. And no, nobody has ever been on the ballot like Trump, so it's never happened before. I sure as hell don't think they're scum for voting for Trump because he's a cheater, lol.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    W in 2004 was much worse in my opinion, do I really need to remind people? Bunch of fucking psychos in that admin that lit the world on fire, and demonized gays daily... 

    Trump is childs play
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,473
    my2hands said:
    W in 2004 was much worse in my opinion, do I really need to remind people? Bunch of fucking psychos in that admin that lit the world on fire, and demonized gays daily... 

    Trump is childs play
    No, he is not. You're underplaying Trump's horribleness to a disturbing degree, and that has nothing to do with GW. Remember that GW's reelection involved a very specific difference that can't be ignored or undervalued: America was in the middle of a war, and 9/11 was still fresh.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    And then they used and manipulated the fear in my country and purposely lied to invade a nation and lay waste to it while a few hundred thousand people were slaughtered. Authorized torture of detainees. Kidnapped and disappeared into secret black rendition sites. People are still held at Guantanamo without charge to this day. Demonized gsys and proposed a constitutional ban on gay marriage. Dont even get me started 

    As bad as Trump is, it's really not even close
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,473
    edited October 2018
    my2hands said:
    And then they used and manipulated the fear in my country and purposely lied to invade a nation and lay waste to it while a few hundred thousand people were slaughtered. Authorized torture of detainees. Kidnapped and disappeared into secret black rendition sites. People are still held at Guantanamo without charge to this day. Demonized gsys and proposed a constitutional ban on gay marriage. Dont even get me started 

    As bad as Trump is, it's really not even close
    I'm not here to compare what these two did in office, although I think you are sorely undervaluing the harm that Trump is doing in the WH and to America's democracy in the long term, as many people are tending to do, which is going to be Trump's saviour, unfortunately. What I'm saying is that people VOTED for Bush again because of those very specific circumstances of being fresh from 9/11 and in the middle of a war. They had no such rational though emotional motivation when they voted Trump in. That's my point.
    And btw, Trump surrounds himself with homophobic racists and could release those at Guantanamo Bay if he wanted, but he doesn't, and has ramped up drone attacks that kill civilians why A LOT, and the list goes on, and on, and on, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make there, if you're dedicated to comparing what these two did in office.
    I think it's quite scary that you think the harm Trump is doing isn't on par and doesn't include some of the things you're so upset about Bush doing ... I'm thinking it's because you're avoiding the news too much! If you're now so anti-media, how can you even claim to be informed??
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited October 2018
    Trump is a horrible POTUS in my opinion, never said anything short of that, and I certainly don't take his impact lightly... 

    You called 60 million people scum based on 1 vote... have you ever met a Trump voter in person? I say those that voted for W a 2nd time, yes a 2nd time (fuck that was horrible), voted for a pretty scummy candidate themselves.

    Pop culture may say Trump is the worst ever, history and results will show it was the W shitshow, bunch of damn war criminals in my opinion. 

    I do love a strong independent woman that has no problem calling me out and telling me when im full of shit. Love it. But dont think for a second I'm softening my position on Trump, quite the opposite, I want progressives to actually win some elections and beat this guy. From the name calling and elitism I've noticed from the left, once I turned off the news by the way, I am now fully woke to what really happened. It wasnt bigotry, it wasnt sexism, it wasnt fear. It was hubris, elitism, and a horrible candidate that had the electricity and likeability of a fucking wet rock lol. 
  • PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    brianlux said:
    my2hands said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    I wanna see what happens with 75-85%plus participation


    Are you referring to Voter turnout?

    If so, check out the wiki for 2016 elections for fla, pa and oh

    Turnout was at or above 70% and democrats lost all of those states by plenty of votes.

    Dems focusing on turnout first is usually a catastrophic disaster. Dems win when they have a winning message communicated effectively.

    When they do that, turnout will take care of  itself
    Trump would not be president if more people had shown up at the polls.  Too many Clinton votes were lost by too many people assuming she had it in the bag.
    Or Hillary was an awful candidate and had no enthusiasm behind her as a candidate? I actually believe if Hillary were a male candidate she would have lost the popular vote as well, she was awful


    I didn't vote for her or Trump (but I live in a state that was 100% for sure going to give Hillary it's electoral college votes).
    Did you vote for Obama?
    That's a real question.

    My assumption is you voted for Obama despite him being a lock to take CA both times. And then didnt vote for Hillary. 

    Democrats only need to look at their awful robot elit7st candidate to realize why Trump lost. But I guess its easier to label 60 million morons and racists than own the loss. 

    Dont blame me, I voted for Bernie in the primary. 
    I think anyone would vote for Trump for ANY reason is scum. Hillary has nothing to do with it.
    I disagree. I know some trump voters, they are not scum. I definitely disagree with them politically, but that doesnt make them scum.

    Why would you paint them all with such a broad brush? Were people that voted for W in 2004 scum? Are people who supported Bill Clinton scum? A married man with a daughter getting blown by a young intern in the oval office is about as scumbag as it gets in my opinion
    Fine. I disagree. Anyone who would vote for that piece of shit, after ALL the terrible things they knew about him, have no real moral compass at all. I think there is NO excuse for it. And no, nobody has ever been on the ballot like Trump, so it's never happened before. I sure as hell don't think they're scum for voting for Trump because he's a cheater, lol.
    I was going to vote for Trump because I couldn't stand Hilary and didn't want her in office.

    I ended up not voting at all.

    Blame the Dems for choosing Hillary as their candidate and Trump winning.

    My $.02
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,473
    edited October 2018
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    brianlux said:
    my2hands said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    I wanna see what happens with 75-85%plus participation


    Are you referring to Voter turnout?

    If so, check out the wiki for 2016 elections for fla, pa and oh

    Turnout was at or above 70% and democrats lost all of those states by plenty of votes.

    Dems focusing on turnout first is usually a catastrophic disaster. Dems win when they have a winning message communicated effectively.

    When they do that, turnout will take care of  itself
    Trump would not be president if more people had shown up at the polls.  Too many Clinton votes were lost by too many people assuming she had it in the bag.
    Or Hillary was an awful candidate and had no enthusiasm behind her as a candidate? I actually believe if Hillary were a male candidate she would have lost the popular vote as well, she was awful


    I didn't vote for her or Trump (but I live in a state that was 100% for sure going to give Hillary it's electoral college votes).
    Did you vote for Obama?
    That's a real question.

    My assumption is you voted for Obama despite him being a lock to take CA both times. And then didnt vote for Hillary. 

    Democrats only need to look at their awful robot elit7st candidate to realize why Trump lost. But I guess its easier to label 60 million morons and racists than own the loss. 

    Dont blame me, I voted for Bernie in the primary. 
    I think anyone would vote for Trump for ANY reason is scum. Hillary has nothing to do with it.
    I disagree. I know some trump voters, they are not scum. I definitely disagree with them politically, but that doesnt make them scum.

    Why would you paint them all with such a broad brush? Were people that voted for W in 2004 scum? Are people who supported Bill Clinton scum? A married man with a daughter getting blown by a young intern in the oval office is about as scumbag as it gets in my opinion
    Fine. I disagree. Anyone who would vote for that piece of shit, after ALL the terrible things they knew about him, have no real moral compass at all. I think there is NO excuse for it. And no, nobody has ever been on the ballot like Trump, so it's never happened before. I sure as hell don't think they're scum for voting for Trump because he's a cheater, lol.
    I was going to vote for Trump because I couldn't stand Hilary and didn't want her in office.

    I ended up not voting at all.

    Blame the Dems for choosing Hillary as their candidate and Trump winning.

    My $.02
    I guess. I personally think Hillary was ridiculously villainized way, way, WAY beyond what she deserved. I don't love her or anything, but the hate towards her, based on feelings about past nominees was and is completely disproportional to what she's ever done or said or deserved. It's totally bizarre IMO. If someone voted for Trump because they thought Hillary was worse, well that's a fucking moron right there. A moron without morals.
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  • curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 3,218
    PJ_Soul said:
    mickeyrat said:
    I wanna see what happens with 75-85%plus participation

    This.
    Never going to happen.
    Voting should be mandatory.

    Getting people to vote is an interesting and complex challenge. I've gone to some ACLU events where voting access and participation is discussed. It's important to remove barriers for people who want to vote. At the same time, people working on this issue have that there is a segment of the population that refuses to vote no matter what. You could make it possible for them to vote via smartphone or their TV remote control, and put the device in their hands, and they still wouldn't vote.
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  • curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 3,218
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    brianlux said:
    my2hands said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    I wanna see what happens with 75-85%plus participation


    Are you referring to Voter turnout?

    If so, check out the wiki for 2016 elections for fla, pa and oh

    Turnout was at or above 70% and democrats lost all of those states by plenty of votes.

    Dems focusing on turnout first is usually a catastrophic disaster. Dems win when they have a winning message communicated effectively.

    When they do that, turnout will take care of  itself
    Trump would not be president if more people had shown up at the polls.  Too many Clinton votes were lost by too many people assuming she had it in the bag.
    Or Hillary was an awful candidate and had no enthusiasm behind her as a candidate? I actually believe if Hillary were a male candidate she would have lost the popular vote as well, she was awful


    I didn't vote for her or Trump (but I live in a state that was 100% for sure going to give Hillary it's electoral college votes).
    Did you vote for Obama?
    That's a real question.

    My assumption is you voted for Obama despite him being a lock to take CA both times. And then didnt vote for Hillary. 

    Democrats only need to look at their awful robot elit7st candidate to realize why Trump lost. But I guess its easier to label 60 million morons and racists than own the loss. 

    Dont blame me, I voted for Bernie in the primary. 
    I think anyone would vote for Trump for ANY reason is scum. Hillary has nothing to do with it.
    I disagree. I know some trump voters, they are not scum. I definitely disagree with them politically, but that doesnt make them scum.

    Why would you paint them all with such a broad brush? Were people that voted for W in 2004 scum? Are people who supported Bill Clinton scum? A married man with a daughter getting blown by a young intern in the oval office is about as scumbag as it gets in my opinion
    Fine. I disagree. Anyone who would vote for that piece of shit, after ALL the terrible things they knew about him, have no real moral compass at all. I think there is NO excuse for it. And no, nobody has ever been on the ballot like Trump, so it's never happened before. I sure as hell don't think they're scum for voting for Trump because he's a cheater, lol.
    I was going to vote for Trump because I couldn't stand Hilary and didn't want her in office.

    I ended up not voting at all.

    Blame the Dems for choosing Hillary as their candidate and Trump winning.

    My $.02

    I think Biden would have absolutely mopped the floor with him. It would have been a landslide.

    But let's not forget that Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by three million votes.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    She was villianized...she was also a horrible candidate 

    I like to consider myself a pretty solid progressive and I voted against her in the 2008 primary, voted against her in the 2016 primary... voted for her in 2016, mostly because she was a woman, a Democrat, and not Donald Trump... out of 3 chances I had to vote for her as a registered Democrat, I only hit the button once

    But morons and racists are easier to blame
  • my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    brianlux said:
    my2hands said:
    brianlux said:
    mickeyrat said:
    I wanna see what happens with 75-85%plus participation


    Are you referring to Voter turnout?

    If so, check out the wiki for 2016 elections for fla, pa and oh

    Turnout was at or above 70% and democrats lost all of those states by plenty of votes.

    Dems focusing on turnout first is usually a catastrophic disaster. Dems win when they have a winning message communicated effectively.

    When they do that, turnout will take care of  itself
    Trump would not be president if more people had shown up at the polls.  Too many Clinton votes were lost by too many people assuming she had it in the bag.
    Or Hillary was an awful candidate and had no enthusiasm behind her as a candidate? I actually believe if Hillary were a male candidate she would have lost the popular vote as well, she was awful


    I didn't vote for her or Trump (but I live in a state that was 100% for sure going to give Hillary it's electoral college votes).
    Did you vote for Obama?
    That's a real question.

    My assumption is you voted for Obama despite him being a lock to take CA both times. And then didnt vote for Hillary. 

    Democrats only need to look at their awful robot elit7st candidate to realize why Trump lost. But I guess its easier to label 60 million morons and racists than own the loss. 

    Dont blame me, I voted for Bernie in the primary. 
    6-7 million white voters that “swung” to Team Trump Treason because of fear of the “other,” racism and immigrants. Not 60 million as you keep professing.
     
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