Elizabeth Warren and Her Ancestry. Thoughts?
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Yeah, ok, sure. LolHalifax2TheMax said:
Because Obama represented their values and respected everyone?so yea.Ledbetterman10 said:
And Obama won the black vote 93% to 6 % in 2012. So all those black people are racist for voting against a white guy?Halifax2TheMax said:
Guess you didn’t read the article or the paper it’s based upon then?Ledbetterman10 said:
Well I can't back it up with any statistics because there's no exit-polling data on whether someone is racist or not. But I contend that his racist base can't be that big because where were all these racists the past two elections? If there was ever a time for racists to get out and vote, it was in 2008 and 2012 against Obama right?Halifax2TheMax said:
Referring to your last sentence, based upon what?Ledbetterman10 said:
I felt this way in 2016 but just couldn't bring myself to vote for Trump. Maybe I will in 2020...if people keep looking down their noses at Trump supporters because that is pretty annoying to see. Trump supporters either had a good reason to vote for him (maybe they're just conservative and want conservatism to "trump" liberalism), were duped (really bought that he's a great businessman), or are just entertained by him (he can be funny sometimes). I think those are the three main groups of Trump voters. I think the racist or sexist voters turned on by Trump (cause there's definitely some) are the minority of his voting base.Smellyman said:my2hands said:
This is what got him elected, and this is what is going to get him reelectedSmellyman said:brianlux said:cincybearcat said:
If Warren is the nominee it will certainly come up. No doubt about it. Teflon Don has a way of being awful and still making others pay for the 1 time they lied or were awful....I don;t get it, but I've seen it too many times to discount it anymore.brianlux said:
I really don't think voters will be focused on this petty issue in two years. If they are, and they re-elect Trump, then the idiot voters get what they deserve and the rest of us have to live in the same pool of slime. Or do what I will do, move to Saturn.cincybearcat said:
It's not a big deal in reality....but when talking about elections you have to look at the optics of the situation. And that matters to a lot of voters. Part of the reason why JFK beat Nixon. Optics.brianlux said:I don't understand why this is such a big deal. Of all the things we could complain about most politicians... wow.
So while it doesn't matter to me more than issues, I'm betting it will to plenty of voters.So maybe EW should just learn to grab willies, treat men like dirt, use the word "billions" over and over and over, talk about how she really had just hoped she didn't have any of that dirty injun blood in her, and say and tweet stupid shit. This is the kind of stuff America really wants. Maybe then she would have a chance to become POTUS.And come up with a clever acronym/ slogan like, KARS. Keep American Ridiculously Stupid!Great strategy if she ran as a republican.Dem voters have cognitive ability above neanderthal though.
ElitismTrump may be a moron, racist, bigot, misogynist, narcissist, sexual predator, liar, tax evader, traitor, treasonous POS. But i will vote for him out of spite.
Obama lost the white vote by 8% in 2008 and by 20% in 2012. But racism has been eliminated.
Linked yesterday.
Given the historical context I have no problem with the fact some black people voted for Obama just because he was black... but to dismiss it is just naive... it's a fair point ledbetterman10 was making... voting for someone just because of their race is racist, and DEFINITELY happened in 2008 & 2012... again, I actually had no issue with it, but to dismiss it is silly0 -
Bullymy2hands said:
Keep assuming and talking down to people, elitistHalifax2TheMax said:
Sure. And I highly doubt you read either.my2hands said:That link and study prove bupkus
You're not the smartest guy in the room
Never claimed I was. Love the personal attacks though. I'll add it below.
Oh, I forgot elitist.
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I'm just going with amt bully and elitist. I dont think that's name calling, I just think you are better than that.
I was slipping towards the siren song of elitism, but I think I caught myself. It's not too late for you either lolPost edited by my2hands on0 -
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Dear Holmes,my2hands said:Dear Watson,
All it shows is a consistent voting pattern over the past 40+ years that about 40% of white people support the Democratic candidate...
2008 Obama had the highest amount of support by whites for a Democrat since 1976 and Jimmy Carter... and in 2008 Obama enjoyed 54% support by young white voters... that's a huge number for a Democrat
The drop in support from 2008 to 2012 is simply a return to the historical average after an electric and transitional candidate in 2008 brought in large numbers of independents and swing voters that helped lead to a massive election victory which everyone knows couldn't be repeated... once the shine wore off they did what independent and swing voters do, they swung
It's common knowledge Republican voters tend to be whiter on average than Democratic voters... I dont think that's breaking news, brother
Here is the % of white voters that supported the democratic candidate. Seems statistically consistent to me.
1972 - 32
1976 - 47
1980 - 36
1984 - 35
1988 - 40
1992 - 39
1996 - 43
2000 - 42
2004 - 41
2008 - 43
2012 - 39
2016 - 37 (Good Job Hillary, elitism don't work)
Mountains/Molehills
https://www.politico.com/story/2008/11/exit-polls-how-obama-won-015297
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2012/11/08/president-obama-and-the-white-vote-no-problem/
Your reading comprehension leaves somehting to be desired as do your dot connecting skills. The article and the study that is linked don't discuss historical trends in voting. It studies the motivation for the swing, that you rightly pointed out, from Obama to Trump and/or "not Hillary." Motivations that were found to be based in fear of the "other," either race or immigrant based. Further, the margin in vicotry, via electoral college was approximately 40,000 votes in three key states, despite Hillary winning approximately 3,000,000 more nationwide. Now, what was putin on the ritz and wikileaks and the Team Trump Treason campaign doing in collusion? Spreading fake news and memes, some of which were posted here on this very site, fanning the flames of fear of immigrants and BLM and the "other." putin on the ritz spent a million dollars a day and it worked. But it only worked because the RNC and Cambridge Analytica told them when and where to focus their efforts. The NRA laundered the money to support the efforts. Elementary.
Further, both the article and study touch on the common thought at the time for Obama's victory based on exiting polling and after action reporting. This study, backed by others, confirm that the swing was driven by:Over at the Washington Post, researchers Matthew Fowler, Vladimir Medenica, and Cathy Cohen have published the results of a new survey on these questions, with a focus on the 41 percent of white millennials who voted for Trump and the sense of “white vulnerability” that motivated them. The conclusion is very clear:
Mountains indeed, brotha.Contrary to what some have suggested, white millennial Trump voters were not in more economically precarious situations than non-Trump voters. Fully 86 percent of them reported being employed, a rate similar to non-Trump voters; and they were 14 percent less likely to be low income than white voters who did not support Trump. Employment and income were not significantly related to that sense of white vulnerability.
So what was? Racial resentment.
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my2hands said:
This is what got him elected, and this is what is going to get him reelectedSmellyman said:brianlux said:cincybearcat said:
If Warren is the nominee it will certainly come up. No doubt about it. Teflon Don has a way of being awful and still making others pay for the 1 time they lied or were awful....I don;t get it, but I've seen it too many times to discount it anymore.brianlux said:
I really don't think voters will be focused on this petty issue in two years. If they are, and they re-elect Trump, then the idiot voters get what they deserve and the rest of us have to live in the same pool of slime. Or do what I will do, move to Saturn.cincybearcat said:
It's not a big deal in reality....but when talking about elections you have to look at the optics of the situation. And that matters to a lot of voters. Part of the reason why JFK beat Nixon. Optics.brianlux said:I don't understand why this is such a big deal. Of all the things we could complain about most politicians... wow.
So while it doesn't matter to me more than issues, I'm betting it will to plenty of voters.So maybe EW should just learn to grab willies, treat men like dirt, use the word "billions" over and over and over, talk about how she really had just hoped she didn't have any of that dirty injun blood in her, and say and tweet stupid shit. This is the kind of stuff America really wants. Maybe then she would have a chance to become POTUS.And come up with a clever acronym/ slogan like, KARS. Keep American Ridiculously Stupid!Great strategy if she ran as a republican.Dem voters have cognitive ability above neanderthal though.
ElitismElitism: Related to being a select part of a group that is superior to the rest in terms of ability or qualities.OK, so Trump won by appealing to a select group superior in the qualities of stupidy, banality, ignorance, crudeness (a fine virtue in certain art forms), and disdain for the health of the planet.The rig is running into the ditch. Someone take the wheel."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Entertained? There is no doubt that he is making the US a fucking joke among world leaders. All a leader has to do is complement him and he'll do whatever the fuck they want.Ledbetterman10 said:
I felt this way in 2016 but just couldn't bring myself to vote for Trump. Maybe I will in 2020...if people keep looking down their noses at Trump supporters because that is pretty annoying to see. Trump supporters either had a good reason to vote for him (maybe they're just conservative and want conservatism to "trump" liberalism), were duped (really bought that he's a great businessman), or are just entertained by him (he can be funny sometimes). I think those are the three main groups of Trump voters. I think the racist or sexist voters turned on by Trump (cause there's definitely some) are the minority of his voting base.Smellyman said:my2hands said:
This is what got him elected, and this is what is going to get him reelectedSmellyman said:brianlux said:cincybearcat said:
If Warren is the nominee it will certainly come up. No doubt about it. Teflon Don has a way of being awful and still making others pay for the 1 time they lied or were awful....I don;t get it, but I've seen it too many times to discount it anymore.brianlux said:
I really don't think voters will be focused on this petty issue in two years. If they are, and they re-elect Trump, then the idiot voters get what they deserve and the rest of us have to live in the same pool of slime. Or do what I will do, move to Saturn.cincybearcat said:
It's not a big deal in reality....but when talking about elections you have to look at the optics of the situation. And that matters to a lot of voters. Part of the reason why JFK beat Nixon. Optics.brianlux said:I don't understand why this is such a big deal. Of all the things we could complain about most politicians... wow.
So while it doesn't matter to me more than issues, I'm betting it will to plenty of voters.So maybe EW should just learn to grab willies, treat men like dirt, use the word "billions" over and over and over, talk about how she really had just hoped she didn't have any of that dirty injun blood in her, and say and tweet stupid shit. This is the kind of stuff America really wants. Maybe then she would have a chance to become POTUS.And come up with a clever acronym/ slogan like, KARS. Keep American Ridiculously Stupid!Great strategy if she ran as a republican.Dem voters have cognitive ability above neanderthal though.
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I stopped thereHalifax2TheMax said:
Dear Holmes,my2hands said:Dear Watson,
All it shows is a consistent voting pattern over the past 40+ years that about 40% of white people support the Democratic candidate...
2008 Obama had the highest amount of support by whites for a Democrat since 1976 and Jimmy Carter... and in 2008 Obama enjoyed 54% support by young white voters... that's a huge number for a Democrat
The drop in support from 2008 to 2012 is simply a return to the historical average after an electric and transitional candidate in 2008 brought in large numbers of independents and swing voters that helped lead to a massive election victory which everyone knows couldn't be repeated... once the shine wore off they did what independent and swing voters do, they swung
It's common knowledge Republican voters tend to be whiter on average than Democratic voters... I dont think that's breaking news, brother
Here is the % of white voters that supported the democratic candidate. Seems statistically consistent to me.
1972 - 32
1976 - 47
1980 - 36
1984 - 35
1988 - 40
1992 - 39
1996 - 43
2000 - 42
2004 - 41
2008 - 43
2012 - 39
2016 - 37 (Good Job Hillary, elitism don't work)
Mountains/Molehills
https://www.politico.com/story/2008/11/exit-polls-how-obama-won-015297
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2012/11/08/president-obama-and-the-white-vote-no-problem/
Your reading comprehension leaves somehting to be desired as do your dot connecting skills.0 -
You cant stop yourself from talking down to people0
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Bullymy2hands said:You cant stop yourself from talking down to people
And I should have stopped reading at "Dear Watson," but I thought I'd entertain myself.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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Pot, meet kettle.my2hands said:You cant stop yourself from talking down to peoplemy small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
The dynamic duo lol0
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Have any data on that?oftenreading said:
Pot, meet kettle.my2hands said:You cant stop yourself from talking down to people
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It’s better than your alternative.my2hands said:The dynamic duo lolmy small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
If you understood the scientific process, you wouldn’t have to ask that question. Lol.my2hands said:
Have any data on that?oftenreading said:
Pot, meet kettle.my2hands said:You cant stop yourself from talking down to people
lolmy small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
My2...my2hands said:You cant stop yourself from talking down to people
While some of your recent contrary points of view have more legitimacy than what many care to concede, I have to say you have not exactly been above talking down to people yourself. To be frank, you're a bit of a front runner in this department.
I am not speaking from any high horse here- I'm aware of my posts and how they might (or better yet should) be received with their dripping sarcasm.
"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
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My2...my2hands said:You cant stop yourself from talking down to people
While some of your recent contrary points of view have more legitimacy than what many care to concede, I have to say you have not exactly been above talking down to people yourself. To be frank, you're a bit of a front runner in this department.
I am not speaking from any high horse here- I'm aware of my posts and how they might (or better yet should) be received with their dripping sarcasm.
I believe my2 is giving some people a taste of their own Medicine. (And for good reason).I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Personally, I think you're all full of shit.
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He has...he wasn't the first...nor the second...nor the third. Reached his breaking point and I'm enjoying it.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
My2...my2hands said:You cant stop yourself from talking down to people
While some of your recent contrary points of view have more legitimacy than what many care to concede, I have to say you have not exactly been above talking down to people yourself. To be frank, you're a bit of a front runner in this department.
I am not speaking from any high horse here- I'm aware of my posts and how they might (or better yet should) be received with their dripping sarcasm.
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Chicken dinnermcgruff10 said:Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
My2...my2hands said:You cant stop yourself from talking down to people
While some of your recent contrary points of view have more legitimacy than what many care to concede, I have to say you have not exactly been above talking down to people yourself. To be frank, you're a bit of a front runner in this department.
I am not speaking from any high horse here- I'm aware of my posts and how they might (or better yet should) be received with their dripping sarcasm.
I believe my2 is giving some people a taste of their own Medicine. (And for good reason).hippiemom = goodness0
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