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F Me In The Brain

Meltdown99 said:

I'll. say what I said earlier...if you think it is ok to ruin a persons life without proof of wrongdoing, I hope like hell you get accused someday.  Especially if you are a fuckin teacher or healthcare worker ... you will get no sympathy ever from me, suffer the consequences ... all victims must be believed.

You also said you didn't care if it was 1 in 1 billion (I think that is how the math plays out from what you shared, quoted below) --- I think 1 in 1 billion, while sad, would be acceptable to stop the abuse. 

I don’t give a sit if .000000001% are fake, some innocent men’s lives are getting ruined from vindictive asshole self righteous woman...

I know the number is much higher.  I did ask the questions before (not answered) -- how are some some of these things to be proven?  If it cannot be proven, it didn't happen and nobody can be held accountable?

<div></div><div>How are they meant to have proof for so many scenarios imaginable?&nbsp;&nbsp;<br>I don't disagree that the false accusations are awful and that they 
happen....but I just think that proving some of these things is not 
really possible.&nbsp;&nbsp;<br>Corroboration through multiple sources that experienced similar issues is what some have been able to do....</div>

Not sure what  the answer is.

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

I'll. say what I said earlier...if you think it is ok to ruin a persons life without proof of wrongdoing, I hope like hell you get accused someday.  Especially if you are a fuckin teacher or healthcare worker ... you will get no sympathy ever from me, suffer the consequences ... all victims must be believed.

I already stated that only fools think literally all accusations should be believed at face value. I don't think anyone is arguing for that here or anywhere else. You're just choosing to ignore the actual arguments, and sticking with the black and white perspective, apparently.

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

I'll. say what I said earlier...if you think it is ok to ruin a persons life without proof of wrongdoing, I hope like hell you get accused someday.  Especially if you are a fuckin teacher or healthcare worker ... you will get no sympathy ever from me, suffer the consequences ... all victims must be believed.

I already stated that only fools think literally all accusations should be believed at face value. I don't think anyone is arguing for that here or anywhere else. You're just choosing to ignore the actual arguments, and sticking with the black and white perspective, apparently.

maybe he thinks Trudeau is behind the #metoo movement? LOL

rgambs

unsung said:

The witnesses that were allegedly there sure don’t seem to be able to confirm it though.

And yeah the timing matters, as I have already offered reasons why.  

Did you expect the witnesses to say, "yeah I was there, I saw it happen and I didn't do anything to stop it"?
Of course they "don't remember".

rgambs

Meltdown99 said:

I'll. say what I said earlier...if you think it is ok to ruin a persons life without proof of wrongdoing, I hope like hell you get accused someday.  Especially if you are a fuckin teacher or healthcare worker ... you will get no sympathy ever from me, suffer the consequences ... all victims must be believed.

I find myself wondering if you work yourself into such a frothing rage when women's lives are *actually* ruined by sexual assaults and abuses?  I wonder.

I say *actually* because I can't think of a single life that's actually been ruined by #metoo accusations.  What I see is a bunch of millionaires who are forced to retire from superfluous careers with enough money to live several lifetimes, and a few people trying to justify their misogynistic feelings with a pity party for them.

unsung

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

Go through the proper authorities, not the media.  I don’t give a sit if .000000001% are fake, some innocent men’s lives are getting ruined from vindictive asshole self righteous woman...

There are no proper authorities to go through when the statute of limitations has expired and/or there is no physical evidence and the authorities tell her there is nothing they can do.

I wish I could hear you and others like you sound that adamant about all the millions and millions of lives and careers ruined for women whose real accusations have been shot down by asshole self righteous men.

Maybe waiting 30+ years isn’t the best idea, heck I can’t remember what I did in HS and it has not been anywhere near that amount of time.

There is a reason that there is a Statute of cases like these, memories fade, evidence disappears, agendas change.

I don’t think Maryland has a statute of limitations on sexual assault. 

They don’t but the left is demanding that this be a federal crime and have the FBI investigate.

If it happened, if the accuser can figure out when it happened, it supposedly happened when the accused was a minor.  So now what do you do?  

unsung

rgambs said:

unsung said:

The witnesses that were allegedly there sure don’t seem to be able to confirm it though.

And yeah the timing matters, as I have already offered reasons why.  

Did you expect the witnesses to say, "yeah I was there, I saw it happen and I didn't do anything to stop it"?
Of course they "don't remember".

Or it never happened.

unsung

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josevolution

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

brianlux said:

I agree whole hardheartedly with what Allison, oftenreading, KAT and others have said here. But  I think my point got lost here. I will graciously duck out here. 

Ladies, you know I love ya, I'm all for you. 

And let's have a good, strong woman president for a change. 

Elizabeth...?

Weak sauce Brian. And Elizabeth warren is an awful choice 

EW would be the perfect choice if you want to see Trump a two term prez. 

So only a male candidate could unseat the Baffoon? Or in other words this country is just not ready for a female president..

josevolution

So she’s begging for the FBI to investigate but the GOP Neanderthals who still believe in dragging your woman into a cave just wanna push it through can someone explain why the hurrying? 

cincybearcat

josevolution said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

brianlux said:

I agree whole hardheartedly with what Allison, oftenreading, KAT and others have said here. But  I think my point got lost here. I will graciously duck out here. 

Ladies, you know I love ya, I'm all for you. 

And let's have a good, strong woman president for a change. 

Elizabeth...?

Weak sauce Brian. And Elizabeth warren is an awful choice 

EW would be the perfect choice if you want to see Trump a two term prez. 

So only a male candidate could unseat the Baffoon? Or in other words this country is just not ready for a female president..

You've been making some giant assed leaps lately.  So if you don't like 1 woman candidate you don't like them all?

Halifax2TheMax

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

Go through the proper authorities, not the media.  I don’t give a sit if .000000001% are fake, some innocent men’s lives are getting ruined from vindictive asshole self righteous woman...

There are no proper authorities to go through when the statute of limitations has expired and/or there is no physical evidence and the authorities tell her there is nothing they can do.

I wish I could hear you and others like you sound that adamant about all the millions and millions of lives and careers ruined for women whose real accusations have been shot down by asshole self righteous men.

Maybe waiting 30+ years isn’t the best idea, heck I can’t remember what I did in HS and it has not been anywhere near that amount of time.

There is a reason that there is a Statute of cases like these, memories fade, evidence disappears, agendas change.

I don’t think Maryland has a statute of limitations on sexual assault. 

They don’t but the left is demanding that this be a federal crime and have the FBI investigate.

If it happened, if the accuser can figure out when it happened, it supposedly happened when the accused was a minor.  So now what do you do?  

The “left” is not “demanding” that this “be a federal crime.” Her attorney is requesting that the FBI investigate to determine whether a crime was committed, something the FBI does on a regular basis and not something the senate judiciary committee does. Further, the FBI takes statements from witnesses and potential witnesses that can help corroborate the victim’s sworn statement, all of which becomes available to the senate judiciary committee and can drive their line of questioning for both the victim and Kavanaugh to testify under oath. It’s a method of getting to the truth. Being a “minor” at the time has nothing to do with it unless you think it’s totally acceptable for a minor to sexually assault another minor and that minors shouldn’t be charged as adults for certain, violent crimes. If Kavanaugh is innocent as he claims, what are you worried about?

Do you know the victim’s party affiliation? I thought the repubs were all about law and order, rule of law and thorough investigations? Has Anonymous been investigated yet? What a joke.
 

oftenreading

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

Go through the proper authorities, not the media.  I don’t give a sit if .000000001% are fake, some innocent men’s lives are getting ruined from vindictive asshole self righteous woman...

There are no proper authorities to go through when the statute of limitations has expired and/or there is no physical evidence and the authorities tell her there is nothing they can do.

I wish I could hear you and others like you sound that adamant about all the millions and millions of lives and careers ruined for women whose real accusations have been shot down by asshole self righteous men.

Maybe waiting 30+ years isn’t the best idea, heck I can’t remember what I did in HS and it has not been anywhere near that amount of time.

There is a reason that there is a Statute of cases like these, memories fade, evidence disappears, agendas change.

I don’t think Maryland has a statute of limitations on sexual assault. 

They don’t but the left is demanding that this be a federal crime and have the FBI investigate.

If it happened, if the accuser can figure out when it happened, it supposedly happened when the accused was a minor.  So now what do you do?  

Why do you think it’s significant that the accused was a minor? 

HughFreakingDillon

josevolution said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

cincybearcat said:

brianlux said:

I agree whole hardheartedly with what Allison, oftenreading, KAT and others have said here. But  I think my point got lost here. I will graciously duck out here. 

Ladies, you know I love ya, I'm all for you. 

And let's have a good, strong woman president for a change. 

Elizabeth...?

Weak sauce Brian. And Elizabeth warren is an awful choice 

EW would be the perfect choice if you want to see Trump a two term prez. 

So only a male candidate could unseat the Baffoon? Or in other words this country is just not ready for a female president..

that's quite the leap jose. I, for one, have been hoping for a female US president for years. I just don't think she'd get the votes. She is wildly hated on the right, and is not very well liked even on the left. it would be a horrendous choice. 

unsung

Voting in a woman just to get a woman is one of the dumbest ideas out there.

Present a quality candidate, that happens to be a woman, and she can win.

HughFreakingDillon

unsung said:

Voting in a woman just to get a woman is one of the dumbest ideas out there.

Present a quality candidate, that happens to be a woman, and she can win.

kind of like saying only a man can be a priest? I thought you said that women bring unique qualities and skills to the table. if I happen to believe those skils and qualities would make a great leader, then how can you dispute that without being a total hypocrite? or do only you get to choose which skills and qualities they have and what they are useful for?

I don't think any woman should do the job, hence my rejection of EW.  But there's no question in my mind that it's time to get the female perspective in leadership in your country and, by extension, for the globe. 

Canada has the best of both worlds with Trudeau. LOL

unsung

LOL.

EW wouldn’t make my list either.  

If a quality candidate were out there I’d certainly consider voting for her, I just won’t do it based solely on being a woman.

I never said a woman couldn’t be a spiritual leader, and if I wanted one I could switch to Lutheran or something else.  Not exactly placed high on my priority list, I’d prefer that priests stop touching children first.  Having women priests doesn’t guarantee that abuse stops, nuns have murdered children , they aren’t immune to abuse.  My first priority is to replace this Pope.

HughFreakingDillon

unsung said:

LOL.

EW wouldn’t make my list either.  

If a quality candidate were out there I’d certainly consider voting for her, I just won’t do it based solely on being a woman.

I never said a woman couldn’t be a spiritual leader, and if I wanted one I could switch to Lutheran or something else.  Not exactly placed high on my priority list, I’d prefer that priests stop touching children first.  Having women priests doesn’t guarantee that abuse stops, nuns have murdered children , they aren’t immune to abuse.  My first priority is to replace this Pope.

we weren't talking about spiritual leaders in general. you stated quite clearly that women shouldn't be catholic priests. why is that?

unsung

Mainly because I don’t see it as a need and that a change for no reason other than filling a demographic is ridiculous.

HughFreakingDillon

I would say equal opportunity with a chance for equal representation is not "ridiculous".