(idiomatic) To discern an overall pattern from a mass of detail; to see the big picture, or the broader, more general situation.
Smith is good at detail, but can't see the forest for the trees.
(idiomatic, in the negative, by extension) To be overwhelmed by detail to the point where it obscures the overall situation.
Unsung didn't kill the girl and may not have the same views as some on here, but that doesn't change the circumstances of this incident. The same shit some are throwing at him is what happens the other way in the gun thread when a shooting occurs. The incidents both get politicized and then nothing happens or changes because everyone digs in so their side doesn't "lose". It's fucking stupid.
Its a sad story and hopefully he gets a fair trial and if found guilty he will be punished.
sorry I was not up to date with this story and it appears that when they found the person he showed them the body so i take back the "if guilty" statement
What's predictable is what will happen when certain posters start a thread. I get that there is baggage around here based on people's either assumed or confirmed views on certain issues, but what I don't get is why it has to roll over in to every thread. I think there's been about 2 serious comments in this thread.
It's not like there was a link from Breitbart or Fox on some conspiracy. Republicans are politicizing this incident as much as D's politicize every gun shooting that occurs in this country. Why can't we care about both issues?
You think one random murder is the same as a guy hanging out of a Las Vegas suite opening fire into a festival or a classroom slaughter?
This is classic xenophobia, and is only news because it's a white victim and an undocumented immigrant perp. American citizens abduct and murder people every day but that's not splashed across the front page of foxnews.com
Alleged I guess that innocent before proven guilty is only for white citizens. And if he did indeed do it then a long slow painfull end is appropriate.
Alleged I guess that innocent before proven guilty is only for white citizens. And if he did indeed do it then a long slow painfull end is appropriate.
The guy led them to the body and confessed.
So, I don't know if your "Racist" card is best used this round. You should hang on to it.
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What's predictable is what will happen when certain posters start a thread. I get that there is baggage around here based on people's either assumed or confirmed views on certain issues, but what I don't get is why it has to roll over in to every thread. I think there's been about 2 serious comments in this thread.
It's not like there was a link from Breitbart or Fox on some conspiracy. Republicans are politicizing this incident as much as D's politicize every gun shooting that occurs in this country. Why can't we care about both issues?
You think one random murder is the same as a guy hanging out of a Las Vegas suite opening fire into a festival or a classroom slaughter?
This is classic xenophobia, and is only news because it's a white victim and an undocumented immigrant perp. American citizens abduct and murder people every day but that's not splashed across the front page of foxnews.com
I get that and I am not ok with it. We also have how many murders with guns everyday in this country, but when does it make headlines; mass shootings. Like I said, it gets politicized because it hits the "easy" button for whatever party opposes a key component of the crime. I honestly don't know how many illegal immigrants are out murdering women, but I am also not blind to think that this is the only one or think that all illegal immigrants are murderers. Just like I know when a mass shooting occurs, it's not the only time we have a gun problem in this fucking country and that not every gun owner is a mass murderer.
That American dude in Vegas killed 58 and injured 851.
Isn’t there a thread about that already? Pretty sure everyone talked about how much of a shithead that dude was there. Where are the “whataboutism” police at??
That American dude in Vegas killed 58 and injured 851.
Isn’t there a thread about that already? Pretty sure everyone talked about how much of a shithead that dude was there. Where are the “whataboutism” police at??
Yeah, I just don't get it. Why is this conversation ok to shift to other shit? Hello? We can be upset about both! We're not the United States of Republicans or Democrats. Let those fuckers push their stupid political agendas, but still recognize this crime was heinous and that measures could have been taken to prevent it, just like the mass shootings and gun violence. Let's quit pushing the wedge in deeper.
That American dude in Vegas killed 58 and injured 851.
Isn’t there a thread about that already? Pretty sure everyone talked about how much of a shithead that dude was there. Where are the “whataboutism” police at??
Just pointing out the irony of posting about one murder vs 58
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What's predictable is what will happen when certain posters start a thread. I get that there is baggage around here based on people's either assumed or confirmed views on certain issues, but what I don't get is why it has to roll over in to every thread. I think there's been about 2 serious comments in this thread.
It's not like there was a link from Breitbart or Fox on some conspiracy. Republicans are politicizing this incident as much as D's politicize every gun shooting that occurs in this country. Why can't we care about both issues?
You think one random murder is the same as a guy hanging out of a Las Vegas suite opening fire into a festival or a classroom slaughter?
This is classic xenophobia, and is only news because it's a white victim and an undocumented immigrant perp. American citizens abduct and murder people every day but that's not splashed across the front page of foxnews.com
I get that and I am not ok with it. We also have how many murders with guns everyday in this country, but when does it make headlines; mass shootings. Like I said, it gets politicized because it hits the "easy" button for whatever party opposes a key component of the crime. I honestly don't know how many illegal immigrants are out murdering women, but I am also not blind to think that this is the only one or think that all illegal immigrants are murderers. Just like I know when a mass shooting occurs, it's not the only time we have a gun problem in this fucking country and that not every gun owner is a mass murderer.
This hits on part of the issue having to do with vetting who comes into our country. We just don’t know if they are here trying to make livings or if they are escaping prosecution in another country for raping/murdering, etc. I, for one, am all about background checks for gun ownership as well as immigrant citizenship and removing those rights (gun ownership and citizenship) for the individuals that do not comply with those laws.
That American dude in Vegas killed 58 and injured 851.
Isn’t there a thread about that already? Pretty sure everyone talked about how much of a shithead that dude was there. Where are the “whataboutism” police at??
Just pointing out the irony of posting about one murder vs 58
I do not think there is any irony. It is one incident vs one incident if you want to compare them. Did anyone come to the defense of the Las Vegas shooter? If so, I sure do not remember. All “whataboutisms” are attempts to point out irony, though.
That American dude in Vegas killed 58 and injured 851.
Isn’t there a thread about that already? Pretty sure everyone talked about how much of a shithead that dude was there. Where are the “whataboutism” police at??
Just pointing out the irony of posting about one murder vs 58
I do not think there is any irony. It is one incident vs one incident if you want to compare them. Did anyone come to the defense of the Las Vegas shooter? If so, I sure do not remember. All “whataboutisms” are attempts to point out irony, though.
There is some inherent desire to try and defend this one illegal immigrant so it doesn't paint a bad picture of all immigrants or illegal immigrants, but no way in hell would anyone every try to defend a mass shooter. Now, if a mass shooter was an illegal immigrant, then it would really create a conundrum for both major parties.
I’ve known plenty of high school and college students looking for suplimental income that would love these jobs that you speak of. Those that do not want to live with their parents, that is.
I’ve known plenty of high school and college students looking for suplimental income that would love these jobs that you speak of. Those that do not want to live with their parents, that is.
The Maryland crab industry is looking. Send them north.
Does the Maryland crab industry operate primarily with illegal employees? Once again, I’m sure there are some jobless people that would love the opportunity. If they cannot fill the spots with legal citizens, then they should not be in business.
No, with migrant labor. Team Trump Treason tightened the rules and made the process more difficult for migrant labors from south of the border to come and work legally. As such, they have a labor shortage. So, instead of the jobs being filled by Americans, who don't want to do the work for the wages provided, because consumers won't pay the price for crab meat if you jacked labor rates, lets close down and put more people out of work (isn't that the argument against a "living wage," that consumers won't pay and businesses will fail and unemployment will go up?). Send your friends' kids to Maryland, if they want to leave the basement that is.
Maybe that repube farm owner shouldn’t have hired the alleged perpetrator?
The Rs nasty little secret is that they never before supported deporting undocumented immigrants because these people keep their businesses staffed and wages low.
Perhaps we can have a civil discussion about this after the alleged criminal candidate is indicted.
I have tried. I say arrest and jail the business owners and the responses are always who would cut my grass, you’ll pay $10 for a Big Mac, or the crops will die on the tree.
I’ve known plenty of high school and college students looking for suplimental income that would love these jobs that you speak of. Those that do not want to live with their parents, that is.
I’ve known plenty of high school and college students looking for suplimental income that would love these jobs that you speak of. Those that do not want to live with their parents, that is.
The Maryland crab industry is looking. Send them north.
Does the Maryland crab industry operate primarily with illegal employees? Once again, I’m sure there are some jobless people that would love the opportunity. If they cannot fill the spots with legal citizens, then they should not be in business.
No, with migrant labor. Team Trump Treason tightened the rules and made the process more difficult for migrant labors from south of the border to come and work legally. As such, they have a labor shortage. So, instead of the jobs being filled by Americans, who don't want to do the work for the wages provided, because consumers won't pay the price for crab meat if you jacked labor rates, lets close down and put more people out of work (isn't that the argument against a "living wage," that consumers won't pay and businesses will fail and unemployment will go up?). Send your friends' kids to Maryland, if they want to leave the basement that is.
Or maybe the jobless that live a little closer, like in Maryland, could get out of the basement and fill the jobs? Regardless, hiring illegal immigrants is not the answer. I have no issue with migrants with visas and do not necessarily support crazy strict regulations on migrant labors...So this was a pretty bad example on your part. Sounds like the crab market may not be or should not be sustainable on the industrial scale. I bet the smaller family businesses are okay with this...regardless, this has no bearing whatsoever on the conversation at hand concerning an “illegal” immigrant with no concern about the laws of the land he is living in.
I’ve known plenty of high school and college students looking for suplimental income that would love these jobs that you speak of. Those that do not want to live with their parents, that is.
I’ve known plenty of high school and college students looking for suplimental income that would love these jobs that you speak of. Those that do not want to live with their parents, that is.
The Maryland crab industry is looking. Send them north.
Does the Maryland crab industry operate primarily with illegal employees? Once again, I’m sure there are some jobless people that would love the opportunity. If they cannot fill the spots with legal citizens, then they should not be in business.
No, with migrant labor. Team Trump Treason tightened the rules and made the process more difficult for migrant labors from south of the border to come and work legally. As such, they have a labor shortage. So, instead of the jobs being filled by Americans, who don't want to do the work for the wages provided, because consumers won't pay the price for crab meat if you jacked labor rates, lets close down and put more people out of work (isn't that the argument against a "living wage," that consumers won't pay and businesses will fail and unemployment will go up?). Send your friends' kids to Maryland, if they want to leave the basement that is.
Or maybe the jobless that live a little closer, like in Maryland, could get out of the basement and fill the jobs? Regardless, hiring illegal immigrants is not the answer. I have no issue with migrants with visas and do not necessarily support crazy strict regulations on migrant labors...So this was a pretty bad example on your part.
The reality is that the jobless living in mom's basement in Maryland aren't filling the jobs. why? Because they don't pay enough to get out of the basement? Why? Because consumers will stop buying crab meat if you raise labor rates. So, keep living in your fantasy world where every able bodied American who should work will. I thought you Rs were for "free markets," letting the market decide? Did I say Illegal workers? What kind of restrictions on migrant labor and business, as it relates to migrant labor/immigration do you support?
That American dude in Vegas killed 58 and injured 851.
Isn’t there a thread about that already? Pretty sure everyone talked about how much of a shithead that dude was there. Where are the “whataboutism” police at??
Just pointing out the irony of posting about one murder vs 58
I do not think there is any irony. It is one incident vs one incident if you want to compare them. Did anyone come to the defense of the Las Vegas shooter? If so, I sure do not remember. All “whataboutisms” are attempts to point out irony, though.
There is some inherent desire to try and defend this one illegal immigrant so it doesn't paint a bad picture of all immigrants or illegal immigrants, but no way in hell would anyone every try to defend a mass shooter. Now, if a mass shooter was an illegal immigrant, then it would really create a conundrum for both major parties.
I don't think it's trying to defend him as much as going on the defensive in the knowledge that this is going to be used by the GOP from now through November. Is it whataboutism? In this context, absolutely. We can't just dismiss what happened by saying "something worse happened." Sure, if the killer had turned out to be her Iowan boyfriend, neither the OP nor the GOP would be bringing this up, but it happened and "worse things have happened" is at best a weak political deflection and can be interpreted as defense of the alleged perpetrator's actions, since "her emails" is essentially a defense of Trumps traitorous actions.
Now, once it gets into the debates, other things can be brought up, like "if OJ had been deported, Nicole Brown would still be alive. Should be deport all blacks?" Or "If the Vegas shooter had been deported, 58 people would still be alive. Should we deport all whites? All males?" Because at this time, it's not a specific campaign issue. It's a sad story and unless something is being misrepresented factually, "58 dead in Vegas" is "but her emails."
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That American dude in Vegas killed 58 and injured 851.
Isn’t there a thread about that already? Pretty sure everyone talked about how much of a shithead that dude was there. Where are the “whataboutism” police at??
Just pointing out the irony of posting about one murder vs 58
I do not think there is any irony. It is one incident vs one incident if you want to compare them. Did anyone come to the defense of the Las Vegas shooter? If so, I sure do not remember. All “whataboutisms” are attempts to point out irony, though.
There is some inherent desire to try and defend this one illegal immigrant so it doesn't paint a bad picture of all immigrants or illegal immigrants, but no way in hell would anyone every try to defend a mass shooter. Now, if a mass shooter was an illegal immigrant, then it would really create a conundrum for both major parties.
I don't think it's trying to defend him as much as going on the defensive in the knowledge that this is going to be used by the GOP from now through November. Is it whataboutism? In this context, absolutely. We can't just dismiss what happened by saying "something worse happened." Sure, if the killer had turned out to be her Iowan boyfriend, neither the OP nor the GOP would be bringing this up, but it happened and "worse things have happened" is at best a weak political deflection and can be interpreted as defense of the alleged perpetrator's actions, since "her emails" is essentially a defense of Trumps traitorous actions.
Now, once it gets into the debates, other things can be brought up, like "if OJ had been deported, Nicole Brown would still be alive. Should be deport all blacks?" Or "If the Vegas shooter had been deported, 58 people would still be alive. Should we deport all whites? All males?" Because at this time, it's not a specific campaign issue. It's a sad story and unless something is being misrepresented factually, "58 dead in Vegas" is "but her emails."
this is not political whataboutism. it is stating outright hypocrisy by the OP. he cares about these isolated incidents only when it is committed by an immigrant to further his anti-immigration ideals. the vegas thing was brought up because he believes that the right to bear arms, like, a freaking arsenal, trumps anyone's right not to be shot during a concert.
Awesome. Girl loses her life, someone posts about it and some of you only want to attack the poster. Sheesh, y’all are fucked up.
the reality here is that as soon as I saw the thread title, I didn't even have to look at who the OP was. I would have bet my fucking house on it.
Ridiculous. So next time a certain poster comes on here to tout "another responsible gun owner" we should make it personal because we know their views or it's ok then because we agree with it? Anyone ever change their mind after being ridiculed?
Awesome. Girl loses her life, someone posts about it and some of you only want to attack the poster. Sheesh, y’all are fucked up.
the reality here is that as soon as I saw the thread title, I didn't even have to look at who the OP was. I would have bet my fucking house on it.
This is still an important story. Regardless of the motives. Just like other threads where others here have obvious motives to forward their agenda. I’m just getting sick and tired of people always playing for their team here....
This is a terrible tragedy that highlight the issue we have in America with guys thinking they can do creepy stuff and it’s ok and with immigration (in this case). Doesn’t mean all illegal immigrants are bad BUT it certainly highlights that some are and we need immigration reform fast. True reform.
and I feel awful for this girl’s parents, can’t even imagine.
Had this been a white white guy that shot her, we’d still have a thread. It would have been started by one if the idiots attacking the OP and the OP would be brushing off the murder and wishing that the girl had been packing heat. You are all way to predictable anymore.
Awesome. Girl loses her life, someone posts about it and some of you only want to attack the poster. Sheesh, y’all are fucked up.
the reality here is that as soon as I saw the thread title, I didn't even have to look at who the OP was. I would have bet my fucking house on it.
Ridiculous. So next time a certain poster comes on here to tout "another responsible gun owner" we should make it personal because we know their views or it's ok then because we agree with it? Anyone ever change their mind after being ridiculed?
In my defense, that line was and remains in response to the to the posted notion that every gun begins as a “legal” gun and every legal gun owner begins as a “responsible” gun owner. Again, until they’re not.
That American dude in Vegas killed 58 and injured 851.
Isn’t there a thread about that already? Pretty sure everyone talked about how much of a shithead that dude was there. Where are the “whataboutism” police at??
Just pointing out the irony of posting about one murder vs 58
I do not think there is any irony. It is one incident vs one incident if you want to compare them. Did anyone come to the defense of the Las Vegas shooter? If so, I sure do not remember. All “whataboutisms” are attempts to point out irony, though.
There is some inherent desire to try and defend this one illegal immigrant so it doesn't paint a bad picture of all immigrants or illegal immigrants, but no way in hell would anyone every try to defend a mass shooter. Now, if a mass shooter was an illegal immigrant, then it would really create a conundrum for both major parties.
I don't think it's trying to defend him as much as going on the defensive in the knowledge that this is going to be used by the GOP from now through November. Is it whataboutism? In this context, absolutely. We can't just dismiss what happened by saying "something worse happened." Sure, if the killer had turned out to be her Iowan boyfriend, neither the OP nor the GOP would be bringing this up, but it happened and "worse things have happened" is at best a weak political deflection and can be interpreted as defense of the alleged perpetrator's actions, since "her emails" is essentially a defense of Trumps traitorous actions.
Now, once it gets into the debates, other things can be brought up, like "if OJ had been deported, Nicole Brown would still be alive. Should be deport all blacks?" Or "If the Vegas shooter had been deported, 58 people would still be alive. Should we deport all whites? All males?" Because at this time, it's not a specific campaign issue. It's a sad story and unless something is being misrepresented factually, "58 dead in Vegas" is "but her emails."
Ok, and the right to bear arms side of the equation go on the defensive for the same reason people are going on the defensive here. I don't think it's necessary or justified in either instance. Both situations clearly identify that there is a problem with some aspect of our current laws and policies. I don't care what ideal or reason the OP brought up this story instead of one where a white male murdered a white female. That's another issue which is still a problem and deserves to be addressed.
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Heartbreaking.
This is classic xenophobia, and is only news because it's a white victim and an undocumented immigrant perp. American citizens abduct and murder people every day but that's not splashed across the front page of foxnews.com
I guess that innocent before proven guilty is only for white citizens.
And if he did indeed do it then a long slow painfull end is appropriate.
So, I don't know if your "Racist" card is best used this round. You should hang on to it.
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Sounds like the crab market may not be or should not be sustainable on the industrial scale. I bet the smaller family businesses are okay with this...regardless, this has no bearing whatsoever on the conversation at hand concerning an “illegal” immigrant with no concern about the laws of the land he is living in.
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Now, once it gets into the debates, other things can be brought up, like "if OJ had been deported, Nicole Brown would still be alive. Should be deport all blacks?" Or "If the Vegas shooter had been deported, 58 people would still be alive. Should we deport all whites? All males?" Because at this time, it's not a specific campaign issue. It's a sad story and unless something is being misrepresented factually, "58 dead in Vegas" is "but her emails."
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This is a terrible tragedy that highlight the issue we have in America with guys thinking they can do creepy stuff and it’s ok and with immigration (in this case). Doesn’t mean all illegal immigrants are bad BUT it certainly highlights that some are and we need immigration reform fast. True reform.
and I feel awful for this girl’s parents, can’t even imagine.
Had this been a white white guy that shot her, we’d still have a thread. It would have been started by one if the idiots attacking the OP and the OP would be brushing off the murder and wishing that the girl had been packing heat. You are all way to predictable anymore.
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