Abortion-Keep Legal, Yes or No?

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,130
    edited May 21
    and his idiot voters will believe this....again:

    “We’re looking at that, and I’m going to have a policy on that very shortly, and I think it’s something that you’ll find interesting,” Trump said. “I think it’s a smart decision. But we’ll be releasing it very soon.”

    Pressed if that meant he would support states if they wanted to ban certain forms of birth control, including the morning-after pill, Trump did not answer directly but said he would be releasing more details “within a week or so.”

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,808
    https://apnews.com/article/abortion-pills-louisiana-legislature-controlled-substance-06ea3e8df86b72b473efe8fc71054ddf   Louisiana Legislature approves bill classifying abortion pills as controlled dangerous substances

     
    Louisiana Legislature approves bill classifying abortion pills as controlled dangerous substances
    By SARA CLINE
    Today

    BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) — Two abortion-inducing drugs could soon be reclassified as controlled and dangerous substances in Louisiana under a first-of-its-kind bill that received final legislative passage Thursday and is expected to be signed into law by the governor.

    Supporters of the reclassification of mifepristone and misoprostol, commonly known as “abortion pills,” say it would protect expectant mothers from coerced abortions. Numerous doctors, meanwhile, have said it will make it harder for them to prescribe the medicines that they use for other important reproductive health care needs, and could delay treatment.

    Passage of the bill comes as both abortion rights advocates and abortion opponents await a final decision from the U.S. Supreme Court on an effort to restrict access to mifepristone. The justices did not appear ready to limit access to the drug on the day they heard arguments.

    The GOP-dominated Legislature’s push to reclassify mifepristone and misoprostol could possibly open the door for other Republican states with abortion bans that are seeking tighter restrictions on the drugs. Louisiana currently has a near-total abortion ban in place, applying both to surgical and medical abortions.

    Current Louisiana law already requires a prescription for both drugs and makes it a crime to use them to induce an abortion in most cases. The bill would make it harder to obtain the pills by placing it on the list of Schedule IV drugs under the state’s Uniform Controlled Dangerous Substances Law.

    The classification would require doctors to have a specific license to prescribe the drugs, which would be stored in certain facilities that in some cases could end up being located far from rural clinics. Knowingly possessing the drugs without a valid prescription would carry a punishment including hefty fines and jail time.

    More than 200 doctors in the state signed a letter to lawmakers warning that it could produce a “barrier to physicians’ ease of prescribing appropriate treatment” and cause unnecessary fear and confusion among both patients and doctors. The physicians warn that any delay to obtaining the drugs could lead to worsening outcomes in a state that has one of the highest maternal mortality rates in the country.

    “This goes too far. We have not properly vetted this with the health care community and I believe it’s going to lead to further harm down the road,” said state Sen. Royce Duplessis, a Democrat who opposes the measure. “There’s a reason we rank at the bottom in terms of maternal health outcomes, and this is why.”

    Supporters say people would be prevented from unlawfully using the pills, though language in the bill appears to carve out protections for pregnant woman who obtain the drug without a prescription for their own consumption.

    The reclassification of the two drugs in Louisiana is an amendment to a bill originating in the Senate that would create the crime of “coerced criminal abortion by means of fraud.” The sister of Republican state Sen. Thomas Pressly, who authored the bill, has shared her own story, of her husband slipping her abortion-inducing drugs without her knowledge or consent.

    “The purpose of bringing this legislation is certainly not to prevent these drugs from being used for legitimate health care purposes," Senator Pressley said. "I am simply trying to put safeguards and guardrails in place to keep bad actors from getting these medications.”

    The Senate voted 29-7, mainly along party lines, to pass the legislation. In the 39-person Senate there are only five women, all of whom voted in favor of the bill.

    In addition to inducing abortions, mifepristone and misoprostol have other common uses, such as treating miscarriages, inducing labor and stopping hemorrhaging.

    Mifepristone was approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration in 2000 after federal regulators deemed it safe and effective for ending early pregnancies. It’s used in combination with misoprostol, which the FDA has separately approved to treat stomach ulcers.

    The drugs are not classified as controlled substances by the federal government because regulators do not view them as carrying a significant risk of misuse. The federal Controlled Substances Act restricts the use and distribution of prescription medications such as opioids, amphetamines, sleeping aids and other drugs that carry the risk of addiction and overdose.

    Abortion opponents and conservative Republicans both inside and outside the state have applauded the Louisiana bill. Conversely, the move has been strongly criticized by Democrats, including Vice President Kamala Harris, who in a social media post described it as “absolutely unconscionable.”

    The Louisiana legislation now heads to the desk of conservative Republican Gov. Jeff Landry. The governor, who was backed by former President Donald Trump during last year’s gubernatorial election, has indicated his support for the measure, remarking in a recent post on X, “You know you’re doing something right when @KamalaHarris criticizes you.”

    Landry’s office did not respond to an emailed request for comment.

    A recent survey found that thousands of women in states with abortion bans or restrictions are receiving abortion pills in the mail from states that have laws protecting prescribers. The survey did not specify how many of those cases were in Louisiana.

    Louisiana has a near-total abortion ban in place, which applies both to medical and surgical abortions. The only exceptions to the ban are if there is substantial risk of death or impairment to the mother if she continues the pregnancy or in the case of “medically futile” pregnancies, when the fetus has a fatal abnormality.

    Currently, 14 states are enforcing bans on abortion at all stages of pregnancy, with limited exceptions.


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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,808
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,808
    gift article....



    Infant death rate spiked in Texas after restrictive abortion law, study finds
    By Victoria Bisset
    June 25, 2024 at 11:38 ET
    After Texas passed a law restricting abortion as early as six weeks into pregnancy, the infant death rate increased along with the number of babies who died of birth defects, according to a new study.
    The study, led by researchers at Johns Hopkins University and published Monday in JAMA Pediatrics, is the latest research indicating higher rates of infant mortality in states with restrictive laws on abortion.
    The Texas law, which took effect on Sept. 1, 2021, prohibits abortions after the detection of a fetal heartbeat, with no exceptions for incest, rape or fetal abnormalities, though it does offer a provision for medical emergencies. Previously, abortion was allowed until 20 weeks.
    While antiabortion advocates hailed the law as a landmark victory, critics stressed that many women are not even aware they are pregnant by six weeks — and the cutoff period comes well before tests are done to detect fetal abnormalities.
    The law was implemented some nine months before the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade. Researchers warn the findings may foreshadow changes in other states that now ban abortion in all or most instances.
    “Our results suggest that restrictive abortion policies that limit pregnant people’s ability to terminate pregnancies, particularly those with fetal abnormalities diagnosed later in pregnancy, may lead to increases in infant mortality,” Suzanne Bell, one of the study’s lead authors, said in a release.
    “These findings make clear the potentially devastating consequences abortion bans can have on pregnant people and families who are unable to overcome barriers to this essential reproductive health service,” added Bell, who is an assistant professor in the Department of Population, Family and Reproductive Health at Hopkins’s Bloomberg School of Public Health.
    Between 2021 and 2022, the infant mortality rate increased by 8.3 percent in Texas compared to a 2.2 percent increase nationally. The Texas rate reflected a 12.9 percent increase in the actual number of deaths of children before their first birthday.
    And while the death rate of babies 28 days old or younger fell in other states overall, it increased by 5.8 percent in Texas.

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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    CM189191 said:
    ok, walk me through this...texas is a STATE. why is everyone screaming the sky is falling regarding roe v wade, a FEDERAL law? are you thinking that if this gets challenged to the supreme court, that's when they'll overturn it? do you really think that will happen? i mean, even the new conservative judges have gone on record saying "it's not our job to fuck with precedence". obviously paraphrasing. 

    Because next time GQP is in charge they will use the Texas law as a template for Federal law

    also, roe v wade is not a law, it's a court case
    ...been thinking about this post (from 2021) a lot lately....
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,930
    CM189191 said:
    CM189191 said:
    ok, walk me through this...texas is a STATE. why is everyone screaming the sky is falling regarding roe v wade, a FEDERAL law? are you thinking that if this gets challenged to the supreme court, that's when they'll overturn it? do you really think that will happen? i mean, even the new conservative judges have gone on record saying "it's not our job to fuck with precedence". obviously paraphrasing. 

    Because next time GQP is in charge they will use the Texas law as a template for Federal law

    also, roe v wade is not a law, it's a court case
    ...been thinking about this post (from 2021) a lot lately....
    You are 100% on point here CM. Thanks for bumping these threads.

    So many people have thought and continue thinking that such and such just cannot happen in this country.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    CM189191 said:
    CM189191 said:
    ok, walk me through this...texas is a STATE. why is everyone screaming the sky is falling regarding roe v wade, a FEDERAL law? are you thinking that if this gets challenged to the supreme court, that's when they'll overturn it? do you really think that will happen? i mean, even the new conservative judges have gone on record saying "it's not our job to fuck with precedence". obviously paraphrasing. 

    Because next time GQP is in charge they will use the Texas law as a template for Federal law

    also, roe v wade is not a law, it's a court case
    ...been thinking about this post (from 2021) a lot lately....
    You are 100% on point here CM. Thanks for bumping these threads.

    So many people have thought and continue thinking that such and such just cannot happen in this country.
    I've never wanted to be more wrong, but here we are....
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,808
    another midwest test in a deep red state...


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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,808
    Montana's top court strikes down parental consent law for minors seeking abortion - https://www.reuters.com/legal/montanas-top-court-strikes-down-parental-consent-law-minors-seeking-abortion-2024-08-14/
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  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,733
    mickeyrat said:
    Montana's top court strikes down parental consent law for minors seeking abortion - https://www.reuters.com/legal/montanas-top-court-strikes-down-parental-consent-law-minors-seeking-abortion-2024-08-14/
    This is too much winning.  

    I don’t think there’s a whole lot more that Harris and Walz have to do except stay their course, talk about what’s important to everyone, and these reps will bury themselves.  And it’s too late Ms. Haley to be screaming (she was going off today) at who you support.  You should have picked your husband.  
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,808
    https://www.npr.org/2024/05/23/nx-s1-4977323/abortion-law-legal-florida-arizona-amendment
    Politics The abortion debate is headed to the ballot box. Here's where voters will decide Updated August 23, 20241:00 PM ET By  The NPR Network UPDATE: In Nebraska Friday, the Secretary of State confirmed that two competing proposals qualified for the November election. One proposal would enshrine the current law banning most abortions after the first trimester. The other would expand abortion rights until fetal viability — usually around 24 weeks. Since the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the federal right to abortion in 2022, states have had the final say on abortion rights. And now abortion-rights supporters across the United States seek to maneuver around Republican-led legislatures and go straight to voters. This year, voters in up to 11 states could face abortion-rights amendments. Several states that outlaw most abortions could see those bans reversed if the ballot measures pass: Arkansas, Florida, Missouri, Nebraska and South Dakota. Voters have already backed abortion rights at the ballot box in at least six states since the reversal of Roe v. Wade, including conservative-leaning Kentucky and Kansas. Getting amendments on the ballot takes legwork, gathering tens or hundreds of thousands of signatures. Then, there could be court challenges. The statewide up-or-down votes could motivate more voters to the polls, shaping the race for president, the battle for which party controls Congress and, in Arizona for example, which party runs the legislature. NPR is tracking the amendment campaigns taking place across the country and will update the developments through November. Colorado Colorado doesn’t restrict abortion at any time during pregnancy. That has led to the state becoming a regional hub for abortion access. Coloradans did use the ballot to impose one limit in 1984, when they passed a constitutional amendment banning public funding for abortions. Now, abortion-rights advocates have gotten a proposed amendment on the ballot to guarantee a right to abortion in the state constitution, which would prohibit any laws impeding that right. The amendment would also remove that current constitutional ban against public funding for abortions — in Medicaid or state employee health plans. The initiative is similar to the state law passed in 2022. It would need 55% of the vote to get into the constitution. For more, visit Colorado Public Radio. Bente Birkeland Florida Florida is the most populous state where abortion-rights advocates already have enough signatures and the official approval to put a question on the ballot this November. The state will ask voters whether to protect abortion in the state constitution up to the point of fetal viability — usually about 24 weeks of pregnancy — or, in all cases, to protect the life of the pregnant person. The state’s six-week abortion ban, which has exceptions for rare circumstances, went into effect in May, further energizing voters on both sides of the issue to come out in November. And Florida requires 60% approval to pass the amendment, a level no other state has met since Roe v. Wade’s reversal in 2022. For more, visit WFSU. Regan McCarthy Maryland Since taking office in 2023, Democratic Gov. Wes Moore has billed Maryland as a “sanctuary state” for reproductive rights. Moore’s administration stockpiled mifepristone — one of two drugs used in medication abortion — when federal court cases threatened the drug’s future, and it has put money into training more health care workers in reproductive care. In November, Maryland voters will decide on an amendment that would enshrine reproductive rights in the state constitution. The amendment would protect “the ability to make and effectuate decisions to prevent, continue, or end one’s own pregnancy.” The referendum needs a simple majority to pass and is expected to meet that threshold. Meanwhile, during the legislative session this year, Maryland lawmakers put money aside to help facilities that provide abortions improve security. For more, visit WYPR. Scott Maucione New York The proposed amendment that could enshrine abortion rights into the New York state constitution doesn’t mention the word “abortion.” The legislature placed on the November ballot a sweeping equal rights amendment banning discrimination based on race, gender, age and other categories including, “pregnancy, pregnancy outcomes, and reproductive healthcare and autonomy.” Movement toward the ballot proposal started in response to the U.S. Supreme Court overturning Roe vs. Wade in 2022. Some Republicans oppose it saying it codifies abortion rights in the state constitution – which seems to be the intent. It survived an initial court challenge and was restored to the fall ballot in June, but opponents could still appeal. New York already allows abortion until fetal viability - around 24 weeks of pregnancy - and has laws protecting reproductive healthcare providers. But there are no such laws - or an equal rights amendment - in the constitution. For more, visit WAMC.Ian Pickus South Dakota South Dakota voters will weigh in on a ballot measure that could enshrine abortion protections into the state constitution. Reproductive rights group Dakotans for Health submitted 55,000 signatures in support of the proposal. After the Dobbs decision ended the federal right to abortion, an already-in-place South Dakota law went into effect banning all abortions except to save the life of the mother — though critics say that this exception remains undefined. The proposed amendment would allow abortions in the first trimester, add more restrictions in the second and prohibit abortions in the third trimester, with some exceptions. Some abortion-rights groups say the amendment is too weak, while an anti-abortion group has called it “extreme.” For more, visit South Dakota Public Broadcasting. Lee Strubinger Arizona Arizona currently bans abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy, based on a law passed in 2022. The Arizona Supreme Court this spring ruled that the state should enforce a law dating to 1864, which banned abortions in all circumstances except to save the life of the pregnant person. But soon after that ruling, the state Legislature narrowly voted to overturn the near-total ban.  In November, Arizona voters will consider a ballot measure that would enshrine the right to abortion in the state constitution. The Arizona Secretary of State’s office said in August it had certified nearly 578,000 signatures supporting the ballot measure.  The measure, Proposition 139 would allow abortions until the point of fetal viability – around 24 weeks - with broad exceptions later in pregnancy when health risks are involved. Opponents say the ballot measure goes too far. A lawsuit seeking to block the measure from appearing on ballots is still pending before the state Supreme Court.  For more, visit KJZZ.  — Katherine Davis-Young Arkansas In August, in a 4-3 decision, the Arkansas Supreme Court ruled that signatures collected by paid canvassers to place an amendment legalizing abortion on the November ballot could not be counted, cutting off any last path for the initiative. In early July, after the reproductive rights group submitted more than 101,000 signatures in support of an amendment for abortion access, Arkansas Secretary of State John Thurston threw out 14,000 signatures collected by paid gatherers, putting the group below the necessary threshold. Thurston said the group had not complied with state law regarding paid canvassers. Under state law, a sponsor is required to sign a statement affirming that each paid canvasser has received a copy of the secretary of state’s initiative and referenda handbook and that they have had canvassing laws explained to them. It's unclear if Arkansans for Limited Government actually failed to follow the law. FOIA requests from the Arkansas Times show that they turned in documents similar to the ones the secretary of state said he didn't have. The group asked the Supreme Court to weigh in on the case believing the Secretary of State had made the wrong call in rejecting their petition outright. Arkansas' ban on abortion is one of the most restrictive in the country, making an exception only to save the life of the mother. For more, visit Little Rock Public Radio. Josie Lenora Missouri In August, Missouri Secretary of State Jay Ashcroft certified that abortion rights advocates collected enough signatures to place a constitutional amendment protecting abortion on the 2024 ballot. If passed by voters in November, the amendment would undo the state’s law banning all abortions – except to save the life of the pregnant person – and replace it with language making abortion legal up to the point of fetal viability. The ballot initiative is receiving significant financial support from out-of-state groups, as well as unprecedented volunteer support. To curb the amendment effort, Republican lawmakers tried to get a separate ballot measure to voters that would have made it more difficult to amend the state constitution. However, using the longest filibuster in state history, Democrats overpowered that attempt. For more, visit St. Louis Public Radio. Jason Rosenbaum Montana If approved by voters in November, the ballot measure in Montana would add language protecting abortion access up until fetal viability — around 24 weeks of pregnancy — to the state constitution. After a couple of attempts by top Republican officials to halt the proposal, Republican Secretary of State Christi Jacobsen officially certified the amendment in August, clearing the way for it to appear on the November ballot in Montana. In June, the initiative’s supporters submitted more than 117,000 signatures for the proposal, far more than the 60,000 signatures required to qualify for the ballot. Abortion remains legal and accessible in the state. That’s even though Republican lawmakers have passed several restrictive abortion laws at the request of GOP Gov. Greg Gianforte in recent years. Abortion rights are protected under state judicial precedent. In 1999, the Montana Supreme Court ruled that the state’s constitutional right to privacy protects access to abortion until the point of viability. The court has reaffirmed the ruling in recent years. For more, visit Montana Public Radio. — Shaylee Ragar Nebraska Voters in Nebraska will see two competing abortion questions on their ballot this November. One proposal — backed by Nebraska’s most prominent anti-abortion groups — would enshrine the current law banning most abortions after the first trimester through a constitutional amendment. That amendment would also allow future abortion restrictions. The Ricketts family, including U.S. Senator Pete Ricketts, has donated more than $2 million to the effort. 2023, the Nebraska Legislature banned abortion after 12 weeks of pregnancy. There are exceptions for rape, incest and the life of the pregnant patient. Voters will also see an amendment proposal to expand abortion rights until fetal viability — usually around 24 weeks — on the ballot. That petition was backed by Protect Our Rights, a coalition of pro-abortion rights groups like Planned Parenthood, ACLU Nebraska and I Be Black Girl. November’s election could mark the first time Nebraskans see two competing petition efforts on the same ballot. If a majority of voters approve both proposals in November, whichever gets the most votes will win. For more, visit Nebraska Public Media. Elizabeth Rembert Nevada Under a state law approved by voters in 1990, abortion is legal in Nevada within the first 24 weeks of pregnancy. Abortion-rights advocates want to put that in the state constitution with an amendment guaranteeing abortion access up until fetal viability, which is usually about 24 weeks. In late June, the Nevada Secretary of State said the issue met all requirements to appear on the ballot. For the amendment to take effect, voters would have to approve the initiative twice, once in 2024 and again in 2026. Polling has consistently shown that roughly two-thirds of Nevadans believe access to abortion should be legal in “all or most cases.” Nevada Democrats believe protecting abortion access mobilized voters during the 2022 midterm elections, and they plan to make the issue central to their cause this year, with a U.S. Senate seat and congressional seats at stake. For more, visit Nevada Public Radio. — Paul Boger (edited) NPR’s Ryland Barton, Larry Kaplow, Barbara Sprunt and Acacia Squires edited this project. Design and development by Hilary Fung. Copy editing by Preeti Aroon.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,808
    gift article.....

    This state calls itself the ‘most pro-life.’ But moms there keep dying.
    By Annie Gowen
    August 27, 2024 at 6:00 ET
    WARREN, Ark. — The pregnant teen had already picked out a name for her baby, already felt him kick, which made the sight of blood in her underwear all the more frightening as she was getting ready for bed that fall night.
    Her mother, Ronica Lawson, called for an ambulance to take them to the hospital five minutes away. As the sirens blared and the EMTs tried to reassure 15-year-old Sa’Ryiah Lincoln, bad news crackled out of the radio. Head to the next county, the EMTs were told. The local hospital no longer delivered babies.
    In a state that touts itself as “the most pro-life state in the country,” where abortion is prohibited except to save the life of the mother, timber country in southeast Arkansas is an especially dangerous place to give birth.
    Arkansas already has one of the nation’s worst maternal mortality rates, and mothers in this area die at a rate exceeding the state average. Ninety-two percent of recent maternal deaths were preventable, a state review committee found.
    In November, two hospitals in the region abruptly closed their birthing units, sending patients like Sa’Ryiah scrambling to find a new obstetrician. And now she was in an ambulance at midnight, speeding through dark pine forests on a tense half-hour trip to a bigger hospital. Doctors were able to get her stabilized and eventually sent her home.
    With a ride that long, “anything could have happened,” said Hajime White, one of the teen’s doulas. “When hospitals are turning you away and you have to go on to the next one, any complication can develop whether you’re in an ambulance or not. You’re putting the mother at risk and the baby at risk.”
    Since Arkansas banned nearly all abortions after Roe v. Wade was overturned in 2022, doctors and others have sounded the alarm on what they say is a deepening crisis in maternal health. They point to other markers, too, particularly the state’s very high rates of teen pregnancy, infant mortality and food insecurity.
    “If we really say to the world we’re pro-life, we need to put our money where our mouth is and make sure these women are treated and have the care they need,” said Republican state Rep. Aaron Pilkington, an abortion opponent who has led a push for legislation and funding to improve outcomes.
    This spring, facing pressure from business leaders and the medical community, Republican Gov. Sarah Huckabee Sanders launched an initiative to address maternal health, an issue that she acknowledged “we’ve ignored for far too long.” Yet she declined to support extending Medicaid postpartum coverage to a year from 60 days, saying the state’s existing insurance system was enough. Arkansas will soon be one of only two states not adopting such coverage.

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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    here is some bullshit from my state today. the gop wants the voters to decide this issue, yet they are doing everything the can to keep it off of the ballot. it was on the ballot but jay ashcroft, son of famous neocon john removed it yesterday. it was originally struck down by the judge that is rush limbaugh's brother. now it goes to the supreme court here which will probably vote to keep it off of the ballot.

    Missouri Supreme Court to decide whether an abortion-rights amendment goes before voters


    JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) — Missouri’s Supreme Court heard arguments Tuesday over whether an abortion-rights amendment should go before voters this year.

    The proposal to enshrine abortion rights in the state constitution is expected to widely undo the state’s 2022 near-total abortion ban if passed. The state’s highest court has mere hours Tuesday to issue what will likely be the final say on the measure before a deadline to make changes to the November ballot.

    Mary Catherine Martin, a lawyer for a group of GOP lawmakers and abortion opponents suing to remove the amendment, told judges that Missouri’s law requires petition signers “to be fully informed” and argued that the initiative petition “misled voters” by not listing all the laws restricting abortion that it would effectively repeal.

    But removing the measure would step on Missouri voters’ rights to sidestep the legislature and enact laws and constitutional amendments by the ballot, abortion-rights campaign lawyer Chuck Hatfield argued.


    “The court will send a message today,” Hatfield said, “about whether in our little corner of the democracy, the government will honor the will of the people or whether we will have it snatched away.”


    Republican Secretary of State Jay Ashcroft, who opposes abortion, decertified the measure Monday, removing it from the ballot himself following a county circuit judge’s ruling Friday. Ashcroft’s move appears symbolic, although lawyers for his office argued it made the appeal moot.

    The amendment is part of a national push to have voters weigh in on abortion since the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade in 2022. Missouri banned almost all abortions immediately after.

    Eight other states will consider constitutional amendments enshrining abortion rights, including Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Maryland, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada and South Dakota. Most would guarantee a right to abortion until fetal viability and allow it later for the health of the pregnant woman, which is what the Missouri proposal would do.


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  • here is some bullshit from my state today. the gop wants the voters to decide this issue, yet they are doing everything the can to keep it off of the ballot. it was on the ballot but jay ashcroft, son of famous neocon john removed it yesterday. it was originally struck down by the judge that is rush limbaugh's brother. now it goes to the supreme court here which will probably vote to keep it off of the ballot.

    Missouri Supreme Court to decide whether an abortion-rights amendment goes before voters


    JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) — Missouri’s Supreme Court heard arguments Tuesday over whether an abortion-rights amendment should go before voters this year.

    The proposal to enshrine abortion rights in the state constitution is expected to widely undo the state’s 2022 near-total abortion ban if passed. The state’s highest court has mere hours Tuesday to issue what will likely be the final say on the measure before a deadline to make changes to the November ballot.

    Mary Catherine Martin, a lawyer for a group of GOP lawmakers and abortion opponents suing to remove the amendment, told judges that Missouri’s law requires petition signers “to be fully informed” and argued that the initiative petition “misled voters” by not listing all the laws restricting abortion that it would effectively repeal.

    But removing the measure would step on Missouri voters’ rights to sidestep the legislature and enact laws and constitutional amendments by the ballot, abortion-rights campaign lawyer Chuck Hatfield argued.


    “The court will send a message today,” Hatfield said, “about whether in our little corner of the democracy, the government will honor the will of the people or whether we will have it snatched away.”


    Republican Secretary of State Jay Ashcroft, who opposes abortion, decertified the measure Monday, removing it from the ballot himself following a county circuit judge’s ruling Friday. Ashcroft’s move appears symbolic, although lawyers for his office argued it made the appeal moot.

    The amendment is part of a national push to have voters weigh in on abortion since the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade in 2022. Missouri banned almost all abortions immediately after.

    Eight other states will consider constitutional amendments enshrining abortion rights, including Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Maryland, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada and South Dakota. Most would guarantee a right to abortion until fetal viability and allow it later for the health of the pregnant woman, which is what the Missouri proposal would do.


    continues

    So much for democracy, eh?
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    here is some bullshit from my state today. the gop wants the voters to decide this issue, yet they are doing everything the can to keep it off of the ballot. it was on the ballot but jay ashcroft, son of famous neocon john removed it yesterday. it was originally struck down by the judge that is rush limbaugh's brother. now it goes to the supreme court here which will probably vote to keep it off of the ballot.

    Missouri Supreme Court to decide whether an abortion-rights amendment goes before voters


    JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) — Missouri’s Supreme Court heard arguments Tuesday over whether an abortion-rights amendment should go before voters this year.

    The proposal to enshrine abortion rights in the state constitution is expected to widely undo the state’s 2022 near-total abortion ban if passed. The state’s highest court has mere hours Tuesday to issue what will likely be the final say on the measure before a deadline to make changes to the November ballot.

    Mary Catherine Martin, a lawyer for a group of GOP lawmakers and abortion opponents suing to remove the amendment, told judges that Missouri’s law requires petition signers “to be fully informed” and argued that the initiative petition “misled voters” by not listing all the laws restricting abortion that it would effectively repeal.

    But removing the measure would step on Missouri voters’ rights to sidestep the legislature and enact laws and constitutional amendments by the ballot, abortion-rights campaign lawyer Chuck Hatfield argued.


    “The court will send a message today,” Hatfield said, “about whether in our little corner of the democracy, the government will honor the will of the people or whether we will have it snatched away.”


    Republican Secretary of State Jay Ashcroft, who opposes abortion, decertified the measure Monday, removing it from the ballot himself following a county circuit judge’s ruling Friday. Ashcroft’s move appears symbolic, although lawyers for his office argued it made the appeal moot.

    The amendment is part of a national push to have voters weigh in on abortion since the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade in 2022. Missouri banned almost all abortions immediately after.

    Eight other states will consider constitutional amendments enshrining abortion rights, including Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Maryland, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada and South Dakota. Most would guarantee a right to abortion until fetal viability and allow it later for the health of the pregnant woman, which is what the Missouri proposal would do.


    continues

    So much for democracy, eh?
    yep. i fucking hate it here.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    wow, the mo state supreme court voted to keep it on the ballot. i'm shocked actually.

    https://x.com/alexiszotos/status/1833587869379965377
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  • wow, the mo state supreme court voted to keep it on the ballot. i'm shocked actually.

    https://x.com/alexiszotos/status/1833587869379965377
    Are they appealing to SCOTUS?
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
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    wow, the mo state supreme court voted to keep it on the ballot. i'm shocked actually.

    https://x.com/alexiszotos/status/1833587869379965377
    Are they appealing to SCOTUS?
    i am not sure but i do not think they can. this is all a result of scotus overturning roe v wade. they said the states should decide, so that is what we are trying to do. it is basically the same ballot issue that is on the ballot in 8 or 9 states this cycle.

    the opinions from the court are supposed to come out later tonight.
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  • Also from Letter from an American:

    One of the biggest issues MAGA Republicans would like to stop people from talking about is abortion. Reproductive healthcare journalist Kavitha Surana explained in ProPublica today that every state has a committee of experts that meet to examine women’s deaths during or within a year of pregnancy. Those committees operate with a two-year lag, meaning that we are now learning about women dying after the Supreme Court overturned the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision that recognized the constitutional right to abortion. 

    Georgia’s state committee has recently concluded that at least two women have died in Georgia from preventable causes after hospitals in the state denied them timely reproductive healthcare.

    Amber Nicole Thurman died just weeks after the Georgia abortion ban went into effect. She went into sepsis from unexpelled fetal tissue after an abortion she obtained legally in North Carolina. Georgia’s law made the routine dilation and curettage procedure, or D&C, a felony with vague exceptions that make doctors worry about prosecution if they perform it. Reports show that doctors repeatedly discussed a D&C for Thurman but put it off even as her organs began to fail. By the time they performed the procedure, it was too late. 

    Surana notes that Georgia governor Brian Kemp said he was “overjoyed” when the law went into effect, and that it would keep women “safe, healthy, and informed.” Attorneys for the state of Georgia accused abortion rights activists who said the law endangered women of “hyperbolic fear mongering” just two weeks before Thurman died. 

    She left behind a 6-year-old son.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,808
    maybe needs to change to or add reproductive rights thread title

    but they support this , dont they?

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  • jimjam1982jimjam1982 AZ Posts: 1,432
    I'm pro choice but let the states decide. No federal over reach. People can adjust accordingly. This really shouldn't even be a discussion. The less federal government the better. They are in fact the enemy. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,720
    I'm pro choice but let the states decide. No federal over reach. People can adjust accordingly. This really shouldn't even be a discussion. The less federal government the better. They are in fact the enemy. 
    Right,  because I trust a state bureaucrat to make s decision for a woman,  not some crazy federal one.  No way can we just trust a woman though.

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