Abortion-Keep Legal, Yes or No?

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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    drakeheuer14 said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    drakeheuer14 said:
    Doing anything for your child should mean willing to die for them too. 

    Are you a woman?
    Nope. And that doesnt matter with what I said. 

    A couple of things:

    1. It kinda does. It's pretty easy to say what you've said given you're a male. And pretty callous for anyone to tell a 24 year old woman (as an example) that she faces serious risk coming to full term with her unborn child that's a risk you're just gonna have to take (with a thought bubble over your head containing the words 'pshew... sure glad it's not me or my daughter!).

    2. With regards to the late term abortion... it's tricky. I believe a woman should abort as early as possible; however, there are circumstances where later procedures are advisable (personal health... non viable pregnancy).

    3. Financial instability is not a good reason for a late term procedure and if I'm reading correctly... this is not an accepted reason relevant to the bill.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,190
    drakeheuer14 said:
    Doing anything for your child should mean willing to die for them too. 
    Just wondering how many kids you have. I think I am the big winner with five.  Can anyone beat that?!?! I ll bet a reenk Roink that no one has more. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    drakeheuer14 said:
    Doing anything for your child should mean willing to die for them too. 
    What is this in reference to? What children are we talking about? 
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    mcgruff10 said:
    drakeheuer14 said:
    Doing anything for your child should mean willing to die for them too. 
    Just wondering how many kids you have. I think I am the big winner with five.  Can anyone beat that?!?! I ll bet a reenk Roink that no one has more. 

    You're a breeder Scruffy.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Virtually no facility or doctor would abort a viable fetus after 24 weeks just because the mother was flaking.  It just isn't happening.

    I understand the desire to have "life or death" codified into the law, but medical decisions rarely work like that and would place an undue burden on physicians to make serious medical decisions for the patients.
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    mcgruff10 said:
    drakeheuer14 said:
    Doing anything for your child should mean willing to die for them too. 
    Just wondering how many kids you have. I think I am the big winner with five.  Can anyone beat that?!?! I ll bet a reenk Roink that no one has more. 
    You don't have a damn reenk roink! Lol
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,190
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    drakeheuer14 said:
    Doing anything for your child should mean willing to die for them too. 
    Just wondering how many kids you have. I think I am the big winner with five.  Can anyone beat that?!?! I ll bet a reenk Roink that no one has more. 

    You're a breeder Scruffy.
    Time for you to have another kid. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,696
    mcgruff10 said:
    drakeheuer14 said:
    Doing anything for your child should mean willing to die for them too. 
    Just wondering how many kids you have. I think I am the big winner with five.  Can anyone beat that?!?! I ll bet a reenk Roink that no one has more. 
    I have you beat by five.  Oh, you mean a bigger number is better.  Never mind.
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,034
    PJNB said:
     I thought the New York law was only if the mother's life was at risk or is that wrong? Seems like it could be abused for sure with the right doctor but I know if my wife's life was at risk and we were 35 weeks in I would opt for the abortion if the risk was that great. That is if there was no other way around it like a C section for example. At the end of the day it would be her call but I know what I would want. 

    I'm not a doctor, but if some condition arose in the last few days of pregnancy that put the mother's life at risk, why would abortion be the only option? This stuff actually happens all the time, that's why c-sections are pretty common. I believe that is one of the main reasons for a c-section.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    mace1229 said:
    PJNB said:
     I thought the New York law was only if the mother's life was at risk or is that wrong? Seems like it could be abused for sure with the right doctor but I know if my wife's life was at risk and we were 35 weeks in I would opt for the abortion if the risk was that great. That is if there was no other way around it like a C section for example. At the end of the day it would be her call but I know what I would want. 

    I'm not a doctor, but if some condition arose in the last few days of pregnancy that put the mother's life at risk, why would abortion be the only option? This stuff actually happens all the time, that's why c-sections are pretty common. I believe that is one of the main reasons for a c-section.
    There are many reasons for late term abortions.
    The answer to your question is that, yes, if the fetus is that old and viable, and the mother can safely undergo a C-section, that is what will happen.
    The NY legislators wanted to send a clear message: government has no business in the decisions between a doctor and consent-capable adult.
    Unfortunately, the right-wing fear drill immediately goes to work and conjures FALSE images of brutality among a populace that (understandably) knows very little of medical practice.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mace1229 said:
    PJNB said:
     I thought the New York law was only if the mother's life was at risk or is that wrong? Seems like it could be abused for sure with the right doctor but I know if my wife's life was at risk and we were 35 weeks in I would opt for the abortion if the risk was that great. That is if there was no other way around it like a C section for example. At the end of the day it would be her call but I know what I would want. 

    I'm not a doctor, but if some condition arose in the last few days of pregnancy that put the mother's life at risk, why would abortion be the only option? This stuff actually happens all the time, that's why c-sections are pretty common. I believe that is one of the main reasons for a c-section.

    It isn't the only option.

    My reading of the material suggested that abortion was an option if the fetus was not viable and/or not going to survive outside the uterine environment, not that a viable fetus close to delivery would be aborted.
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  • jnimhaoileoin
    jnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    This is the kind of crap we're dealing with in Ireland at the moment, having finally legislated for abortion

    https://www.thejournal.ie/abortion-protest-2-4472155-Feb2019/
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,640
    But but but life starts as soon as he swipes right
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,640
    Good...

     Supreme Court blocks Louisiana abortion law from taking effect. https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/07/politics/supreme-court-louisiana-abortion-kavanaugh-roberts/index.html
  • mickeyrat
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    important read....


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  • dankind
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    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/late-term-abortion-rape_us_5c630b8de4b0a8731aeabbd6
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  • RunIntoTheRain
    RunIntoTheRain Texas Posts: 1,033
    dankind said:
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/late-term-abortion-rape_us_5c630b8de4b0a8731aeabbd6
    Wow. That is a very emotional and powerful story. And of course heartbreaking.
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,640
    Good..

    Senate rejects "born-alive" bill as anti-abortion advocates reignite "late-term" abortion debate. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/born-alive-act-senate-rejects-born-alive-bill-anti-abortion-advocates-reignite-late-term-abortion-debate-2019-02-27/?ftag=CNM-00-10aag7e
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Remind me again to not ever step foot in Texas. Full of a bunch of jihadis. What’s next, stoning for adultery?

    http://www.fox5dc.com/news/texas-lawmakers-consider-the-death-penalty-for-abortion
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Remind me again to not ever step foot in Texas. Full of a bunch of jihadis. What’s next, stoning for adultery?

    http://www.fox5dc.com/news/texas-lawmakers-consider-the-death-penalty-for-abortion

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