Abortion-Keep Legal, Yes or No?

Halifax2TheMax
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I figured since it’s currently a hot topic in the gun thread, I’d start an abortion topic thread.

I’ll begin by responding to benjs’ last post in the gun thread: who says a woman is obligated to carry until term? Why shouldn’t that be her decision and hers alone?
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    Safe, legal and rare.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,604
    edited March 2018
    It’s her choice and her choice only 
    That’s not even debatable ! I don’t agree with bjens assessment ..
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    What is the consensus?  At what point in the pregnancy does it not become okay to abort?  Once there is a detectable heartbeat?  Once they have the ability to experience pain (brain activity)?  Once they are able to live on their own at 18? Lol
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    PJPOWER said:
    What is the consensus?  At what point in the pregnancy does it not become okay to abort?  Once there is a detectable heartbeat?  Once they have the ability to experience pain (brain activity)?  Once they are able to live on their own at 18? Lol
    Why stop there, why not before conception?  
    Let's ban contraceptives and male masturbation.
    Are women sinful because they kill an egg every month?
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    rgambs said:
    PJPOWER said:
    What is the consensus?  At what point in the pregnancy does it not become okay to abort?  Once there is a detectable heartbeat?  Once they have the ability to experience pain (brain activity)?  Once they are able to live on their own at 18? Lol
    Why stop there, why not before conception?  
    Let's ban contraceptives and male masturbation.
    Are women sinful because they kill an egg every month?
    That’s backwards thinking, lol 
    Just messing with ya :)
    I do believe that the term “abortion” refers to the action taken after an egg is fertilized, though, or am I missing something?
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    rgambs said:
    PJPOWER said:
    What is the consensus?  At what point in the pregnancy does it not become okay to abort?  Once there is a detectable heartbeat?  Once they have the ability to experience pain (brain activity)?  Once they are able to live on their own at 18? Lol
    Why stop there, why not before conception?  
    Let's ban contraceptives and male masturbation.
    Are women sinful because they kill an egg every month?
    Some agree with all of those points. I recently saw a protestor with a sign that said “The Pill Kills Billions Every Month”. Held by a man, of course; he wasn’t going to have to gestate any of those billions. 

    For the record - legal, absolutely. 
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  • riley540
    riley540 Denver Colorado Posts: 1,132
    edited March 2018
    People often make the argument that life is created at conception because that’s when unique DNA is created. Making up an individual. There is a lot of information and debate out there. Too much to post here. 
    Post edited by riley540 on
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,811
    conception?

    Keep it legal, keep it safe. 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Keep it legal.

    "In the United States, it actually depends on the state in which you live. It goes by the fetal age of viability and that is around 24 weeks. This means the fetus is most likely able to survive outside the mother’s body at or around 24 weeks, so if an abortion is performed after this period it is considered “intent to murder.”

    http://www.newkidscenter.com/When-Is-It-too-Late-to-Get-an-Abortion.html

    This sounds reasonable to me.  24 weeks should be adequate time to make that decision.

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  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    JimmyV said:
    Safe, legal and rare.
    There are circumstances where I could take this route.

    It shouldn't be birth control.
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,896
    Legal and only the business of the two involved. 


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  • wobbler_kitty
    wobbler_kitty Millbury, MA Posts: 161
    No question. Keep it legal, safe, at any point needed or wanted, and across all states. None of these varying state by state limitations, waiting periods or attempts-to-talk-you-out-of-it counseling and funeral bullshit . Easy access to clinics in all states. Fuck that, easy access all over the world.
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,829
    edited March 2018
    My response I am referring to majority of abortions. I may have a different view when it comes to rape and medical necessities, but that is a very small percentage of abortions.

    It is often misrepresented on both sides.
    This debate only comes down to one thing.
    Someone's view on abortion is not about women's rights. Everyone believes women deserved to be treated equally and have equal rights. Someone's stance on abortion has nothing to do with how they feel women should be treated.
    It is not about "murdering" babies. No one is for abortion because they hate kids and are okay with genocide of an infant population.
    It is grossly misrepresented because how many times have pro-lifers been accused of sexism towards women (even though a lot are women themselves), how often are pro-choicers accused of murdering babies. So I'll say me being pro-life does not make disrespect women any more than you being pro-choice makes you a murderer. 
    In all the conversations I've ever had it always boils down to just 1 thing: Is a unborn child a human life? If so, at what stage?

    Every person who I ever met who is pro-choice does not think so. Every person who I ever met who is pro-life does. And anyone who thinks it is a life, that right to live suprasses a woman's right to chose. 

    I hate this topic because I rarely find people willing to have a civilized conversation about it - from both sides.
    Calling a fetus a blob or goo doesn't change my view, just like playing an ultrasound with a heartbeat most likely won't change yours.
    I happen to believe life, and human life has begun at the earliest stages of development. I have no scientific reason or proof to back that up, just like no one has any scientific proof to say life does not exist. That is my opinion, and everyone else is entitled to theirs. 

    I have a hard time seeing human features, listening to a heart beat on an ultrasound and saying that life has no rights and can be terminated for no medical reason. For me it isn't about choices, it's about life at that point.
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  • riley540
    riley540 Denver Colorado Posts: 1,132
    I am open about being pro life. I don’t belong to any religion or anything god related. 

    My view comes from the idea of when when I think “life” is created. For me, it isn’t at birth. We have humans that are brain dead that we are legally obligated to keep alive. An 8 month old fetus has more brain power than some sick people. 

    Then em I looked at how pre-mature Can a baby survive outside of its life line (the mother) and I came to the conclusion that it doesn’t matter. 

    My my grandma who is 93 is often supported by machines to keep life in her, and we value her life no less than anyone else. 

    So so then I kept asking myself, what makes a baby unique. The only thing that makes a person a person is unique genetic make up. This happens at conception when sperm meets an egg. 

    I belibe once unique life life is formed, the life deserves legal protection. 

    I dont stand outside abortion clinics with signs. I don’t slander people who get abortions, or anything alike. There are many young people who make a mistake and get pregnant. 

    I think we all need to do better about making sex less taboo so kids are comfortable talking about safe practices and preventing pregnancy. It’s super easy. There are so many forms of pre pregnancy control out there. 

    All just my opinion through years of learning about the issue.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Keep it legal and safe. This is a personal, private decision made by a woman about her body. It shouldn't be a policy decision made by wrinkly old men.
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,418
    Legal, Safe, and Easily accessible and affordable
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Boarding the legal and safe train!  I doubt judgments, protests and the like won't continue to occur...but hopefully will be lessened over time.
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,836
    No abortion is safe...someone always dies. 
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  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    jeffbr said:
    Keep it legal and safe. This is a personal, private decision made by a woman about her body. It shouldn't be a policy decision made by wrinkly old men.
    I'll take it further. My opinion on this shouldn't even matter. Neither should anyone's with a Y chromosome.
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