^^I recall using TM e tix and it had a moving animation on the ticket. Seems easy to combat fake screenshots.
This person has it. Because it's going to be an app and not an e-mail or a text, your ticket has to be pulled up on the app. Once it is pulled up on the app, there will be animations that the people holding the scanners are instructed to look for. When they see the animations, then they will scan the codes. If they don't see the animations, they will ask you to pull up the app, if you can't show the animations, they won't scan the static code. This is how they'll make it harder to sell tix and make the buyer use at least one ticket.
And this process is sloooow.
People not ready when they are going to be admitted... fumbling with their phones, people checking tix are slow with the equipment, the equipment stalls or malfunctions...
... the lines begin to form.
Fenway was already bad enough with people getting in their seats in 2016. I fear this year is going to be even worse and that curfew is killer.
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but say I have a dozen ticketmaster accounts, technically I can register a dozen times?
This is exactly what Verified Fan seeks to eliminate (on a much larger level). When you register for Verified Fan for a specific show or tour, you enter your email, name, and your phone number associated with your account. If Ticketmaster sees 12 accounts linking to the same phone number, you're likely to get flagged as a scalper and not receive anything. Now if, for instance, you and your wife both have different phone numbers and TM accounts, that's a different story. But if you have 12 accounts, you're gonna want to have 12 different valid phone numbers and names for those.
I think I know another reason for the change in the way tickets are handled. I think a big reason could have been employment costs. You need people to sort the tickets, work the will call, and mail the tickets out. The use of mobile probably saved a few bucks for 10 clubs bottom line. Not that is all bad, I just hope nobody lost a job.
^^I recall using TM e tix and it had a moving animation on the ticket. Seems easy to combat fake screenshots.
This person has it. Because it's going to be an app and not an e-mail or a text, your ticket has to be pulled up on the app. Once it is pulled up on the app, there will be animations that the people holding the scanners are instructed to look for. When they see the animations, then they will scan the codes. If they don't see the animations, they will ask you to pull up the app, if you can't show the animations, they won't scan the static code. This is how they'll make it harder to sell tix and make the buyer use at least one ticket.
And this process is sloooow.
People not ready when they are going to be admitted... fumbling with their phones, people checking tix are slow with the equipment, the equipment stalls or malfunctions...
... the lines begin to form.
total speculation. I have season tickets that are all digital. Entry is no different than with paper tickets. Takes the same amount of time.
^^I recall using TM e tix and it had a moving animation on the ticket. Seems easy to combat fake screenshots.
This person has it. Because it's going to be an app and not an e-mail or a text, your ticket has to be pulled up on the app. Once it is pulled up on the app, there will be animations that the people holding the scanners are instructed to look for. When they see the animations, then they will scan the codes. If they don't see the animations, they will ask you to pull up the app, if you can't show the animations, they won't scan the static code. This is how they'll make it harder to sell tix and make the buyer use at least one ticket.
And this process is sloooow.
People not ready when they are going to be admitted... fumbling with their phones, people checking tix are slow with the equipment, the equipment stalls or malfunctions...
... the lines begin to form.
total speculation. I have season tickets that are all digital. Entry is no different than with paper tickets. Takes the same amount of time.
I know, but I do have a painful experience with this sort of thing- the only other time a concert I've been to featured such a model.
^^I recall using TM e tix and it had a moving animation on the ticket. Seems easy to combat fake screenshots.
This person has it. Because it's going to be an app and not an e-mail or a text, your ticket has to be pulled up on the app. Once it is pulled up on the app, there will be animations that the people holding the scanners are instructed to look for. When they see the animations, then they will scan the codes. If they don't see the animations, they will ask you to pull up the app, if you can't show the animations, they won't scan the static code. This is how they'll make it harder to sell tix and make the buyer use at least one ticket.
And this process is sloooow.
People not ready when they are going to be admitted... fumbling with their phones, people checking tix are slow with the equipment, the equipment stalls or malfunctions...
... the lines begin to form.
total speculation. I have season tickets that are all digital. Entry is no different than with paper tickets. Takes the same amount of time.
I know, but I do have a painful experience with this sort of thing- the only other time a concert I've been to featured such a model.
We always go in early so lines shouldn't be too much of a problem but still. I share your concern.
10c Tickets will be distributed through Ticketmaster. It sounded like for transfers, you'd get a notification and can log in with the App or a browser, and create your account then and there if you didn't already have one.
Assuming that means initially 10c sends a link to the tickets to the lottery winner and they log into TM to get access to the QR Codes...
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Not sure I’m happy to know that Ticketmaster will be responsible for determining seniority and distributing tickets fairly.
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Not sure I’m happy to know that Ticketmaster will be responsible for determining seniority and distributing tickets fairly.
Ticketmaster is just providing the QR to get in. I’m sure 10c will be providing the seat assignments for each 10c ticket. Why does everyone immediately jump to some worst case scenario.
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Funny that no one - ahem 10c - has seemed to have considered this possibility: that the very thing they trying to fight (scalping of tickets) exists for the sole reason that there are people willing to pay exorbitant amounts of money for tickets to a show. If someone really wants to get to a PJ show and has the money, what’s to stop them from scalping non fan club tickets on Stubhub? So if they are 10c members, in theory, this no-resale policy thing could simply result in people who live in a household with multiple accounts, putting in for tickets on each account to ensure they get something, and then reselling the one ticket they can and chalking it up the loss to the cost of getting tickets to a PJ show. I think a lot of us would be lying (myself included) if I said I haven’t paid over face value for a sold out show I wanted to go to.
Will this result in more tickets in the hands of fans, or more empty single seats?
I’m guessinf the latter with equal amounts of complaining.
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Funny that no one - ahem 10c - has seemed to have considered this possibility: that the very thing they trying to fight (scalping of tickets) exists for the sole reason that there are people willing to pay exorbitant amounts of money for tickets to a show. If someone really wants to get to a PJ show and has the money, what’s to stop them from scalping non fan club tickets on Stubhub? So if they are 10c members, in theory, this no-resale policy thing could simply result in people who live in a household with multiple accounts, putting in for tickets on each account to ensure they get something, and then reselling the one ticket they can and chalking it up the loss to the cost of getting tickets to a PJ show. I think a lot of us would be lying (myself included) if I said I haven’t paid over face value for a sold out show I wanted to go to.
Will this result in more tickets in the hands of fans, or more empty single seats?
I’m guessinf the latter with equal amounts of complaining.
Seems like more tickets will go to the real fans, but there's always going to people bitching and moaning. You can't please everybody.
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So I’ve been a member since 2016 of January and it was supposed to automatically renew this years membership but then I got an email telling me I needed to update the card on the account which I did and everything is set up correctly now. My question is will this affect me entering the lottery for any of the US stadium shows because that would be super disappointing?
Funny that no one - ahem 10c - has seemed to have considered this possibility: that the very thing they trying to fight (scalping of tickets) exists for the sole reason that there are people willing to pay exorbitant amounts of money for tickets to a show. If someone really wants to get to a PJ show and has the money, what’s to stop them from scalping non fan club tickets on Stubhub? So if they are 10c members, in theory, this no-resale policy thing could simply result in people who live in a household with multiple accounts, putting in for tickets on each account to ensure they get something, and then reselling the one ticket they can and chalking it up the loss to the cost of getting tickets to a PJ show. I think a lot of us would be lying (myself included) if I said I haven’t paid over face value for a sold out show I wanted to go to.
Will this result in more tickets in the hands of fans, or more empty single seats?
I’m guessinf the latter with equal amounts of complaining.
Seems like more tickets will go to the real fans, but there's always going to people bitching and moaning. You can't please everybody.
That doesnt really address my point. If a “real fan” is in 10c, has disposable income and doesnt care to pay for two sets of tickets to each show, knowing that they can only use one pair and can only resell one ticket from the second pair, isn’t it likely they will still put in for every pair they can, and eat that extra ticket? Meaning, people who can afford it have an ability if not an incentive to buy up say 3 of every 4 tickets, leaving a single ticket going to waste.
so the question is: does this fix anything? It disincentivizes regular members from putting in for multiple shows (eg married couples who each have an account) because the risk of getting drawn for tickets you can’t use is too high, which in turn should create more quantities of tickets available. But where do those tickets go? The remaining accounts, which again, in some part will be people who are willing to “waste” a ticket or pair if it means they will get tickets at all. This will result in more unused tickets and less tickets being used by “real fans.”
So I agree...you can’t please everyone. This is a truth that begs the question: what are they fixing with this change?
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Funny that no one - ahem 10c - has seemed to have considered this possibility: that the very thing they trying to fight (scalping of tickets) exists for the sole reason that there are people willing to pay exorbitant amounts of money for tickets to a show. If someone really wants to get to a PJ show and has the money, what’s to stop them from scalping non fan club tickets on Stubhub? So if they are 10c members, in theory, this no-resale policy thing could simply result in people who live in a household with multiple accounts, putting in for tickets on each account to ensure they get something, and then reselling the one ticket they can and chalking it up the loss to the cost of getting tickets to a PJ show. I think a lot of us would be lying (myself included) if I said I haven’t paid over face value for a sold out show I wanted to go to.
Will this result in more tickets in the hands of fans, or more empty single seats?
I’m guessinf the latter with equal amounts of complaining.
Seems like more tickets will go to the real fans, but there's always going to people bitching and moaning. You can't please everybody.
That doesnt really address my point. If a “real fan” is in 10c, has disposable income and doesnt care to pay for two sets of tickets to each show, knowing that they can only use one pair and can only resell one ticket from the second pair, isn’t it likely they will still put in for every pair they can, and eat that extra ticket? Meaning, people who can afford it have an ability if not an incentive to buy up say 3 of every 4 tickets, leaving a single ticket going to waste.
so the question is: does this fix anything? It disincentivizes regular members from putting in for multiple shows (eg married couples who each have an account) because the risk of getting drawn for tickets you can’t use is too high, which in turn should create more quantities of tickets available. But where do those tickets go? The remaining accounts, which again, in some part will be people who are willing to “waste” a ticket or pair if it means they will get tickets at all. This will result in more unused tickets and less tickets being used by “real fans.”
So I agree...you can’t please everyone. This is a truth that begs the question: what are they fixing with this change?
They could just transfer it to another fan here, no? Since we're getting them a little further in advance, it might even be more efficient. Cuts out the flake factor when you have to pick up day-of.
Funny that no one - ahem 10c - has seemed to have considered this possibility: that the very thing they trying to fight (scalping of tickets) exists for the sole reason that there are people willing to pay exorbitant amounts of money for tickets to a show. If someone really wants to get to a PJ show and has the money, what’s to stop them from scalping non fan club tickets on Stubhub? So if they are 10c members, in theory, this no-resale policy thing could simply result in people who live in a household with multiple accounts, putting in for tickets on each account to ensure they get something, and then reselling the one ticket they can and chalking it up the loss to the cost of getting tickets to a PJ show. I think a lot of us would be lying (myself included) if I said I haven’t paid over face value for a sold out show I wanted to go to.
Will this result in more tickets in the hands of fans, or more empty single seats?
I’m guessinf the latter with equal amounts of complaining.
Seems like more tickets will go to the real fans, but there's always going to people bitching and moaning. You can't please everybody.
That doesnt really address my point. If a “real fan” is in 10c, has disposable income and doesnt care to pay for two sets of tickets to each show, knowing that they can only use one pair and can only resell one ticket from the second pair, isn’t it likely they will still put in for every pair they can, and eat that extra ticket? Meaning, people who can afford it have an ability if not an incentive to buy up say 3 of every 4 tickets, leaving a single ticket going to waste.
so the question is: does this fix anything? It disincentivizes regular members from putting in for multiple shows (eg married couples who each have an account) because the risk of getting drawn for tickets you can’t use is too high, which in turn should create more quantities of tickets available. But where do those tickets go? The remaining accounts, which again, in some part will be people who are willing to “waste” a ticket or pair if it means they will get tickets at all. This will result in more unused tickets and less tickets being used by “real fans.”
So I agree...you can’t please everyone. This is a truth that begs the question: what are they fixing with this change?
They could just transfer it to another fan here, no? Since we're getting them a little further in advance, it might even be more efficient. Cuts out the flake factor when you have to pick up day-of.
You can transfer one ticket from each pair...so for a household of two fans (not uncommon), you use two, transfer one, but eat the other.
Someone please take pro on this. What am I missing?
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Is there wifi at Safeco? or will those of us from Canada (with overpriced crappy cell phone plans) need to buy a roaming plan for the US so we can use the app to show the tickets?
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Is there wifi at Safeco? or will those of us from Canada (with overpriced crappy cell phone plans) need to buy a roaming plan for the US so we can use the app to show the tickets?
Check with your service provider about this. When we traveled to Canada for the Ottawa & Toronto shows in 2016, I went in to my Sprint store and asked what I needed to do to have cell service. They signed me up for their FREE international plan and walked me thru the process of resetting my phone for the Rogers network in Canada. The process was really easy and I got unlimited texts & phone calls plus 1GB of data while we were in Canada.
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I did the same thing! I feel a lot more comfortable about this option now. Got the Elton tickets that we wanted for the price we were willing to pay. Still hoping the 10C lottery comes through tho for PJ but it's nice having this as a backup option.
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Funny that no one - ahem 10c - has seemed to have considered this possibility: that the very thing they trying to fight (scalping of tickets) exists for the sole reason that there are people willing to pay exorbitant amounts of money for tickets to a show. If someone really wants to get to a PJ show and has the money, what’s to stop them from scalping non fan club tickets on Stubhub? So if they are 10c members, in theory, this no-resale policy thing could simply result in people who live in a household with multiple accounts, putting in for tickets on each account to ensure they get something, and then reselling the one ticket they can and chalking it up the loss to the cost of getting tickets to a PJ show. I think a lot of us would be lying (myself included) if I said I haven’t paid over face value for a sold out show I wanted to go to.
Will this result in more tickets in the hands of fans, or more empty single seats?
I’m guessinf the latter with equal amounts of complaining.
Seems like more tickets will go to the real fans, but there's always going to people bitching and moaning. You can't please everybody.
That doesnt really address my point. If a “real fan” is in 10c, has disposable income and doesnt care to pay for two sets of tickets to each show, knowing that they can only use one pair and can only resell one ticket from the second pair, isn’t it likely they will still put in for every pair they can, and eat that extra ticket? Meaning, people who can afford it have an ability if not an incentive to buy up say 3 of every 4 tickets, leaving a single ticket going to waste.
so the question is: does this fix anything? It disincentivizes regular members from putting in for multiple shows (eg married couples who each have an account) because the risk of getting drawn for tickets you can’t use is too high, which in turn should create more quantities of tickets available. But where do those tickets go? The remaining accounts, which again, in some part will be people who are willing to “waste” a ticket or pair if it means they will get tickets at all. This will result in more unused tickets and less tickets being used by “real fans.”
So I agree...you can’t please everyone. This is a truth that begs the question: what are they fixing with this change?
They could just transfer it to another fan here, no? Since we're getting them a little further in advance, it might even be more efficient. Cuts out the flake factor when you have to pick up day-of.
You can transfer one ticket from each pair...so for a household of two fans (not uncommon), you use two, transfer one, but eat the other.
Someone please take pro on this. What am I missing?
This topic gets muddied as people are talking about both 10c tickets and the new Verified Fan thing for the general sale. They are different cases but both have new systems in place.
With respect to 10c tickets I think a few pros are:
They don't have to travel around with a couple million dollars in 10c hard tickets in a road case when they go on tour (never thought about this before it came up on the radio show with The Rob and the TM verified fan guy).
They don't have to staff up will call for a couple days for a big show (it seemed like a few full time 10c and many local staff at Wrigley/Fenway)
No more big will call lineups for fans (in addition to merch and GA lines)
In theory it might eventually be faster (but probably not the first few times as people get used to getting their phones ready with the brightness up etc).
Limits scalping to a certain degree as the pair of hard tickets are currency the second will call hands them to someone. Now, they can basically track the ticket from initial distribution to the TM account it's scanned from at the door. That's not a perfect system but it's better than the metrics/tracking they had before.
10c lottery winners get their tickets further in advance of the show
Some negatives for 10c Tickets are well discussed in the dozen pages above, but the whole thing about juggling tickets in the fan network is half bungled now and for many years this has been the way to get into shows that they weren't able to win in the lottery. You get someone with one spare and another person with a spare and coordinate 2 pairs that are together or 2 couples into GA etc. The scariest one is that ticket #2 is scalp-able as you can transfer it remotely to anyone. At least at the pre-party, you were pretty sure you were dealing with a fan and vice versa. Also there are less surprises about where your tickets are because you get them earlier. This is both good and bad as someone who gets great tickets (and is a scalper) has more time to try to monkey with the couple of system loopholes to make a killing on golden tickets.
Some pros for Verified Fan for the general sale (according to the Faithful show on Sirius yesterday)... The TM guy says they see Verified Fan as a way that they "Invite" people to a presale and they have the following formula in place to figure out who to invite based on:
They try to figure out if you're a scalper if they see that you're buying lots and lots of tickets for other shows (your TM history)
They see if you're flipping the tickets you bought on the resale market (they control at least 2 of their own, one is right there on TM)
They see if you are trying to generate multiple accounts in their database by cross referencing email, phone numbers etc.
If you hammer away at the system on multiple devices and browsers they shut you down
TM says this is an attempt to stop bots as well
I could go on, but this book report feels long enough already...
Funny that no one - ahem 10c - has seemed to have considered this possibility: that the very thing they trying to fight (scalping of tickets) exists for the sole reason that there are people willing to pay exorbitant amounts of money for tickets to a show. If someone really wants to get to a PJ show and has the money, what’s to stop them from scalping non fan club tickets on Stubhub? So if they are 10c members, in theory, this no-resale policy thing could simply result in people who live in a household with multiple accounts, putting in for tickets on each account to ensure they get something, and then reselling the one ticket they can and chalking it up the loss to the cost of getting tickets to a PJ show. I think a lot of us would be lying (myself included) if I said I haven’t paid over face value for a sold out show I wanted to go to.
Will this result in more tickets in the hands of fans, or more empty single seats?
I’m guessinf the latter with equal amounts of complaining.
Seems like more tickets will go to the real fans, but there's always going to people bitching and moaning. You can't please everybody.
That doesnt really address my point. If a “real fan” is in 10c, has disposable income and doesnt care to pay for two sets of tickets to each show, knowing that they can only use one pair and can only resell one ticket from the second pair, isn’t it likely they will still put in for every pair they can, and eat that extra ticket? Meaning, people who can afford it have an ability if not an incentive to buy up say 3 of every 4 tickets, leaving a single ticket going to waste.
so the question is: does this fix anything? It disincentivizes regular members from putting in for multiple shows (eg married couples who each have an account) because the risk of getting drawn for tickets you can’t use is too high, which in turn should create more quantities of tickets available. But where do those tickets go? The remaining accounts, which again, in some part will be people who are willing to “waste” a ticket or pair if it means they will get tickets at all. This will result in more unused tickets and less tickets being used by “real fans.”
So I agree...you can’t please everyone. This is a truth that begs the question: what are they fixing with this change?
They could just transfer it to another fan here, no? Since we're getting them a little further in advance, it might even be more efficient. Cuts out the flake factor when you have to pick up day-of.
You can transfer one ticket from each pair...so for a household of two fans (not uncommon), you use two, transfer one, but eat the other.
Someone please take pro on this. What am I missing?
This topic gets muddied as people are talking about both 10c tickets and the new Verified Fan thing for the general sale. They are different cases but both have new systems in place.
With respect to 10c tickets I think a few pros are:
They don't have to travel around with a couple million dollars in 10c hard tickets in a road case when they go on tour (never thought about this before it came up on the radio show with The Rob and the TM verified fan guy).
They don't have to staff up will call for a couple days for a big show (it seemed like a few full time 10c and many local staff at Wrigley/Fenway)
No more big will call lineups for fans (in addition to merch and GA lines)
In theory it might eventually be faster (but probably not the first few times as people get used to getting their phones ready with the brightness up etc).
Limits scalping to a certain degree as the pair of hard tickets are currency the second will call hands them to someone. Now, they can basically track the ticket from initial distribution to the TM account it's scanned from at the door. That's not a perfect system but it's better than the metrics/tracking they had before.
10c lottery winners get their tickets further in advance of the show
Some negatives for 10c Tickets are well discussed in the dozen pages above, but the whole thing about juggling tickets in the fan network is half bungled now and for many years this has been the way to get into shows that they weren't able to win in the lottery. You get someone with one spare and another person with a spare and coordinate 2 pairs that are together or 2 couples into GA etc. The scariest one is that ticket #2 is scalp-able as you can transfer it remotely to anyone. At least at the pre-party, you were pretty sure you were dealing with a fan and vice versa. Also there are less surprises about where your tickets are because you get them earlier. This is both good and bad as someone who gets great tickets (and is a scalper) has more time to try to monkey with the couple of system loopholes to make a killing on golden tickets.
Some pros for Verified Fan for the general sale (according to the Faithful show on Sirius yesterday)... The TM guy says they see Verified Fan as a way that they "Invite" people to a presale and they have the following formula in place to figure out who to invite based on:
They try to figure out if you're a scalper if they see that you're buying lots and lots of tickets for other shows (your TM history)
They see if you're flipping the tickets you bought on the resale market (they control at least 2 of their own, one is right there on TM)
They see if you are trying to generate multiple accounts in their database by cross referencing email, phone numbers etc.
If you hammer away at the system on multiple devices and browsers they shut you down
TM says this is an attempt to stop bots as well
I could go on, but this book report feels long enough already...
Well said on a lot of things. I hope 10 club uses this summer as a trial and fixes all of the problems that it did not intend to have before the presumably big tour in 2019 with the new album coming.
Not sure if this has been mentioned, but say I have a dozen ticketmaster accounts, technically I can register a dozen times?
This is exactly what Verified Fan seeks to eliminate (on a much larger level). When you register for Verified Fan for a specific show or tour, you enter your email, name, and your phone number associated with your account. If Ticketmaster sees 12 accounts linking to the same phone number, you're likely to get flagged as a scalper and not receive anything. Now if, for instance, you and your wife both have different phone numbers and TM accounts, that's a different story. But if you have 12 accounts, you're gonna want to have 12 different valid phone numbers and names for those.
Exactly. This is not a fail safe system by any means. I can have fake names, numbers, addresses etc. Meh
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10c Tickets will be distributed through Ticketmaster. It sounded like for transfers, you'd get a notification and can log in with the App or a browser, and create your account then and there if you didn't already have one.
Assuming that means initially 10c sends a link to the tickets to the lottery winner and they log into TM to get access to the QR Codes...
St. Paul 2014 • Mexico City 2015 • Philadelphia II 2016 • Ottawa 2016 • Amsterdam I & II 2018 • Wrigley Field II 2018 • Phoenix 2022
Apollo Theater 2022 • Chicago I 2023
Will this result in more tickets in the hands of fans, or more empty single seats?
I’m guessinf the latter with equal amounts of complaining.
2003-06-16 St. Paul
2006-06-26 St. Paul
2007-08-05 Chicago
2009-08-23 Chicago
2009-08-28 San Francisco
2010-05-01 NOLA (Jazz Fest)
2011-07-02 EV Minneapolis
2011-09-03 PJ20
2011-09-04 PJ20
2011-09-17 Winnipeg
2012-06-26 Amsterdam
2012-06-27 Amsterdam
2013-07-19 Wrigley
2013-11-21 San Diego
2013-11-23 Los Angeles
2013-11-24 Los Angeles
2014-07-08 Leeds, UK
2014-07-11 Milton Keynes, UK
2014-10-09 Lincoln
2014-10-19 St. Paul
2014-10-20 Milwaukee
2016-08-20 Wrigley 1
2016-08-22 Wrigley 2
2018-06-18 London 1
2018-08-18 Wrigley 1
2018-08-20 Wrigley 2
2022-09-16 Nashville
2023-08-31 St. Paul
2023-09-02 St. Paul
2023-09-05 Chicago 1
Trieste 14, Vienna 14, Gdynia 14, Leeds 14, Milton Keynes 14, Denver 14
Central Park 15
Fort Lauderdale 16, Miami 16, Tampa 16, Jacksonville 16, Greenville 16, Hampton 16, Columbia 16, Lexington 16, Philly1 16, Philly2 16, NYC1 16, NYC2 16, Quebec City 16, Ottawa 16, Toronto1 16, Toronto2 16, Fenway1 16, Fenway2 16, Wrigley1 16, Wrigley2 16
So I’ve been a member since 2016 of January and it was supposed to automatically renew this years membership but then I got an email telling me I needed to update the card on the account which I did and everything is set up correctly now. My question is will this affect me entering the lottery for any of the US stadium shows because that would be super disappointing?
so the question is: does this fix anything? It disincentivizes regular members from putting in for multiple shows (eg married couples who each have an account) because the risk of getting drawn for tickets you can’t use is too high, which in turn should create more quantities of tickets available. But where do those tickets go? The remaining accounts, which again, in some part will be people who are willing to “waste” a ticket or pair if it means they will get tickets at all. This will result in more unused tickets and less tickets being used by “real fans.”
So I agree...you can’t please everyone. This is a truth that begs the question: what are they fixing with this change?
2003-06-16 St. Paul
2006-06-26 St. Paul
2007-08-05 Chicago
2009-08-23 Chicago
2009-08-28 San Francisco
2010-05-01 NOLA (Jazz Fest)
2011-07-02 EV Minneapolis
2011-09-03 PJ20
2011-09-04 PJ20
2011-09-17 Winnipeg
2012-06-26 Amsterdam
2012-06-27 Amsterdam
2013-07-19 Wrigley
2013-11-21 San Diego
2013-11-23 Los Angeles
2013-11-24 Los Angeles
2014-07-08 Leeds, UK
2014-07-11 Milton Keynes, UK
2014-10-09 Lincoln
2014-10-19 St. Paul
2014-10-20 Milwaukee
2016-08-20 Wrigley 1
2016-08-22 Wrigley 2
2018-06-18 London 1
2018-08-18 Wrigley 1
2018-08-20 Wrigley 2
2022-09-16 Nashville
2023-08-31 St. Paul
2023-09-02 St. Paul
2023-09-05 Chicago 1
Someone please take pro on this. What am I missing?
2003-06-16 St. Paul
2006-06-26 St. Paul
2007-08-05 Chicago
2009-08-23 Chicago
2009-08-28 San Francisco
2010-05-01 NOLA (Jazz Fest)
2011-07-02 EV Minneapolis
2011-09-03 PJ20
2011-09-04 PJ20
2011-09-17 Winnipeg
2012-06-26 Amsterdam
2012-06-27 Amsterdam
2013-07-19 Wrigley
2013-11-21 San Diego
2013-11-23 Los Angeles
2013-11-24 Los Angeles
2014-07-08 Leeds, UK
2014-07-11 Milton Keynes, UK
2014-10-09 Lincoln
2014-10-19 St. Paul
2014-10-20 Milwaukee
2016-08-20 Wrigley 1
2016-08-22 Wrigley 2
2018-06-18 London 1
2018-08-18 Wrigley 1
2018-08-20 Wrigley 2
2022-09-16 Nashville
2023-08-31 St. Paul
2023-09-02 St. Paul
2023-09-05 Chicago 1
Check with your service provider about this.
When we traveled to Canada for the Ottawa & Toronto shows in 2016,
I went in to my Sprint store and asked what I needed to do to have cell service.
They signed me up for their FREE international plan and walked me thru the process of resetting my phone for the Rogers network in Canada.
The process was really easy and I got unlimited texts & phone calls plus 1GB of data while we were in Canada.
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'00: Columbus: Polaris
'03: Columbus: Germain
'10: Columbus: Nationwide Arena
'11: East Troy: Alpine Valley - PJ20 1 & 2 + EV Detroit
'12: Missoula + EV Jacksonville 1 & 2
'13: Chicago / Pittsburgh / Buffalo / Seattle
'14: Cincinnati / St. Louis / Tulsa / Lincoln / Memphis / Detroit / Moline
'15: New York City - Global Citizen Festival
'16: Greenville / Hampton / Raleigh / Columbia / Lexington / Ottawa / Toronto 1 & 2 / Wrigley 1 & 2
'17: Brooklyn - Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony
'18: London 1 & 2 / Seattle 1 & 2 / Missoula / Wrigley 1
'22: Nashville / St. Louis
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2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
With respect to 10c tickets I think a few pros are:
- They don't have to travel around with a couple million dollars in 10c hard tickets in a road case when they go on tour (never thought about this before it came up on the radio show with The Rob and the TM verified fan guy).
- They don't have to staff up will call for a couple days for a big show (it seemed like a few full time 10c and many local staff at Wrigley/Fenway)
- No more big will call lineups for fans (in addition to merch and GA lines)
- In theory it might eventually be faster (but probably not the first few times as people get used to getting their phones ready with the brightness up etc).
- Limits scalping to a certain degree as the pair of hard tickets are currency the second will call hands them to someone. Now, they can basically track the ticket from initial distribution to the TM account it's scanned from at the door. That's not a perfect system but it's better than the metrics/tracking they had before.
- 10c lottery winners get their tickets further in advance of the show
Some negatives for 10c Tickets are well discussed in the dozen pages above, but the whole thing about juggling tickets in the fan network is half bungled now and for many years this has been the way to get into shows that they weren't able to win in the lottery. You get someone with one spare and another person with a spare and coordinate 2 pairs that are together or 2 couples into GA etc. The scariest one is that ticket #2 is scalp-able as you can transfer it remotely to anyone. At least at the pre-party, you were pretty sure you were dealing with a fan and vice versa. Also there are less surprises about where your tickets are because you get them earlier. This is both good and bad as someone who gets great tickets (and is a scalper) has more time to try to monkey with the couple of system loopholes to make a killing on golden tickets.Some pros for Verified Fan for the general sale (according to the Faithful show on Sirius yesterday)... The TM guy says they see Verified Fan as a way that they "Invite" people to a presale and they have the following formula in place to figure out who to invite based on:
- They try to figure out if you're a scalper if they see that you're buying lots and lots of tickets for other shows (your TM history)
- They see if you're flipping the tickets you bought on the resale market (they control at least 2 of their own, one is right there on TM)
- They see if you are trying to generate multiple accounts in their database by cross referencing email, phone numbers etc.
- If you hammer away at the system on multiple devices and browsers they shut you down
- TM says this is an attempt to stop bots as well
I could go on, but this book report feels long enough already..."...I changed by not changing at all..."