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    JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 18,941
    Is there a link to that $85-$112 plus fees pricing info? Am I wrong or does that likely mean $110-$137 per ticket with fees?
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    jmug23jmug23 Posts: 778
    PJNB said:
    When they say 'most if not all requests" in the drawing will be accommodated, are they referring to just your #1 pick? Say someone wants to go to all seven shows, are they going to be able to accommodate "all if not most" of the drawing entries should that member put in for all seven shows?
    The way it is worded to me is they an accommodate all requests up to your 7th pick. If you pick Seattle GA as your 7th pick though there is no way they are going to be able to honour that. I think they took all of the data from 2016 and with the extra reserved seats are confident that they will meet the demand and I hope they are right.
    i am assuming that GA picks will only be good at choice number 1, but if you select Wrigley 1 reserved at pick#7, they will be able to accommodate?
    This would be my guess as well. GA is only so big and no way are u getting GA as a 4th or 5th priority. Maybe they have a lot more reserved seats as they seem to allude to in the email.  I don’t even think everyone will get GA with their first picks. Only seven shows and demand is going to be huge. 
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    I see $92.00 - $112.00 for Safeco.  This is per ticket, without fees.  I imagine we're looking at a $17-$20 'convenience fee' per ticket on top of these prices...at least through ticketmaster...10C should be similar 
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    jeffbr said:
    jmug23 said:
    PJNB said:
    I just would like to ask those that think double membership in one household is unfair, who do you go to the show with? Have you never had a ticket buddy before or do you go solo to every show? Just because I live with somebody who is just as big of a fan as I am why does that mean we should only use one account?
          I 100% don’t think that’s unfair. If you both pay your dues, which obviously you do, then you both have the right to put in for the lottery. I assume if you win twice, then you obviously give your tickets to other Pj fans. I guess I’m not understanding the argument against it. Now obviously if you were trying to sell second pair for profit that would be wrong. I do think it’s cool when people who have won more than they need offer it to other fan club members who missed out first, but even that isn’t a perfect system because some of those same people who say they missed out, won 5 other shows. 
    Here's the issue - If you are putting in for 4 tickets, and only intending to use 2 of them, by definition you are attempting to buy tickets you don't intend to use. Doing so ensures that someone else putting in for 2 tickets they will actually use will be shut out of getting them. It isn't "wrong" as in "against the rules" and is perfectly within your rights as you say, but it is "wrong" as in "you're fucking over your fellow fanclub member". That is why the "unfair" label gets used. You are gaming the system at the expense of another member.

    Hopefully this new policy significantly cuts down that behavior.
    I understand, and agree in general, even though this hurts us as a couple both in the 10c that prefer Reserved... I do think it is better for everyone in general, so I'm cool with it... as long as we don't get shut out lol

    However... while i think it cuts down on multiple reserved entries, i dont think it cuts down on GA entries quite as much... those extras can be transfered easily and you never even have to meet the person now and it's GA so there is no assigned seat

    I do miss the ticket stubs though
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    given2fly23given2fly23 Evanston, IL Posts: 5,890
    edited January 2018

    jeffbr said:
    Here's the issue - If you are putting in for 4 tickets, and only intending to use 2 of them, by definition you are attempting to buy tickets you don't intend to use. Doing so ensures that someone else putting in for 2 tickets they will actually use will be shut out of getting them. It isn't "wrong" as in "against the rules" and is perfectly within your rights as you say, but it is "wrong" as in "you're fucking over your fellow fanclub member". That is why the "unfair" label gets used. You are gaming the system at the expense of another member.

    Hopefully this new policy significantly cuts down that behavior.
    If the person was "buying" those tickets I might agree, but in this case they are not, they are entering a lottery (chance) at buying tickets.  There's a chance they may get 0, 2 or 4 tickets.  I like seeing extras offered up to fans here for face (no extras or favors either).  Sometimes people can't afford tickets at lottery time or they decide to take a last minute trip.  I;ve been on both sides and it usually results in a friendship.

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    demetriosdemetrios Canada Posts: 87,977
    Wonder how much Pearl Jam Ticketmaster tickets will be selling for ..


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    jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177

    jeffbr said:
    Here's the issue - If you are putting in for 4 tickets, and only intending to use 2 of them, by definition you are attempting to buy tickets you don't intend to use. Doing so ensures that someone else putting in for 2 tickets they will actually use will be shut out of getting them. It isn't "wrong" as in "against the rules" and is perfectly within your rights as you say, but it is "wrong" as in "you're fucking over your fellow fanclub member". That is why the "unfair" label gets used. You are gaming the system at the expense of another member.

    Hopefully this new policy significantly cuts down that behavior.
    If the person was "buying" those tickets I might agree, but in this case they are not, they are entering a lottery (chance) at buying tickets.  There's a chance they may get 0, 2 or 4 tickets.  I like seeing extras offered up to fans here for face (no extras or favors either).  Sometimes people can't afford tickets at lottery time or they decide to take a last minute trip.  I;ve been on both sides and it usually results in a friendship.

    Sure, I get that. But if you are entering the lottery trying to get 4 tickets with the intent of only using 2, then you are committing to buy 4 tickets knowing you'll only be using 2. Winning = buying, so I understand that there is no way ahead of time to know whether you'll actually be buying the 4 tickets, but the point is, people are attempting to buy ("entering the lottery") more tickets than they can use, thus depriving someone else of attempting to buy the 2 tickets they would be using. I agree with my2hands that for GA that is not a big issue, since those can easily be used by anyone. But it still means that speculators and those trying to win as many tickets as possible so they can use the best seats and dump the others are screwing over other fans.
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    lolobugglolobugg BLUE RDGE MTNS Posts: 8,192

    Simplified?

    this thing is going on 11 pages now... :lol:

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    HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,420
    I'm still waiting for the "Where's the band who took Ticketmaster to court? This isn't the Pearl Jam I grew up with!" comment.
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    JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 18,941
    I'm still waiting for the "Where's the band who took Ticketmaster to court? This isn't the Pearl Jam I grew up with!" comment.
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    Horse2345Horse2345 Posts: 3,240
    JimmyV said:
    Is there a link to that $85-$112 plus fees pricing info? Am I wrong or does that likely mean $110-$137 per ticket with fees?

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    JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 18,941
    Horse2345 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Is there a link to that $85-$112 plus fees pricing info? Am I wrong or does that likely mean $110-$137 per ticket with fees?

    Thanks. These are going to be some pricey tickets.
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    P-Town-P-Jam-FanP-Town-P-Jam-Fan Posts: 920
    edited January 2018
    I would guess $17.00-$22.00 convenience fee per ticket plus delivery fees as well.  For Seattle:

    Price Range

    $92.00 - $112.00

    Additional fees are applied at Checkout. Prices subject to change.

    Zac Brown Band is playing Safeco.  Here are the fees on their 90.00 face value seats:

    2 Standard Admission
    $90.75 x 2
    Level 100, 1st Of 3 Levels
    $18.95 (Service Fee) x 2
    $4.00 Order Processing Fee
    No Charge
    Print-at-Home
    Log into your account from a computer - not a phone or tablet. From your order, view and print your tickets. When you print-at-home, your tickets will not be emailed to you.
    Total
    US $223.40

    Here are the fees for their $127.00 face value ticket:

    2 Standard Admission
    $127.75 x 2
    Seats On Field, No Incline
    $22.70 (Service Fee) x 2
    $4.00 Order Processing Fee
    No Charge
    Print-at-Home
    Log into your account from a computer - not a phone or tablet. From your order, view and print your tickets. When you print-at-home, your tickets will not be emailed to you.
    Total
    US $304.90

    $18.95 fees for the $90.00 ticket and $22.70 in fees for each $127.00 ticket.  You can expect to pay about the same for PJ since tickets are priced similarly and the venue is the same..

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    lolobugglolobugg BLUE RDGE MTNS Posts: 8,192
    hopefully 10c will cut out some of those BS ticketbastard fees.

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    I am still confused on the phone ticket.  What stops a person for giving a random cell number for the tickets and therefor selling them to that number.  
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    SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 NYC Posts: 25,897
    lolobugg said:

    Simplified?

    this thing is going on 11 pages now... :lol:

    I tried :lol:
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    PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,256
    Horse2345 said:
    JimmyV said:
    Is there a link to that $85-$112 plus fees pricing info? Am I wrong or does that likely mean $110-$137 per ticket with fees?


    So the range is $85-$112, wonder if all shows have a top price at $112 or if its just say Seattle due to the charity nature of the event (seems as though 10 bucks from each ticket is going to the homeless initiatives if they are committed to donating $1 Million).

    We'll know soon enough.

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    SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 NYC Posts: 25,897
    I am still confused on the phone ticket.  What stops a person for giving a random cell number for the tickets and therefor selling them to that number.  
    I’m not sure but maybe the ambiguity will keep people from trying to get extras for fear of being stuck with extra tix. 
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    MickeyMouseMickeyMouse Posts: 1,053
    JimmyV said:
    I'm wondering if the switch to TM and Verified Fan has anything to do with the early Fenway onsale debacle two years ago. Was that TicketsNow that had to issue all those refunds for selling tickets early? We never really did get a good explanation for what happened there.
    Fenway shows will still be sold on Tickets.com like all other Fenway concerts.  The Ticketmaster listings say “on partner site”.  So when they go on sale, you’ll be redirected there and enter your Verified Fan code.  
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    cojobocojobo Ontario Posts: 299
    edited January 2018
    Im a bit confused.. nvm lol
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    JR86440JR86440 Posts: 740
    I am still confused on the phone ticket.  What stops a person for giving a random cell number for the tickets and therefor selling them to that number.  
    I am guessing the tickets will be texted to  you. Only thing that makes sense. They can't be available in your fan club account because if you really wanted to sell them, you would just give the person your login info and password
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    KC138045KC138045 Columbus, OH Posts: 2,715
    edited January 2018
    JR86440 said:
    I am still confused on the phone ticket.  What stops a person for giving a random cell number for the tickets and therefor selling them to that number.  
    I am guessing the tickets will be texted to  you. Only thing that makes sense. They can't be available in your fan club account because if you really wanted to sell them, you would just give the person your login info and password

    Whenever I've used mobile entry whether it be a sporting event or a plane ticket a link was sent that aloud me to transfer it to my apple wallet.

    looks like this

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    chitownp76chitownp76 Posts: 1,439
    JR86440 said:
    I am still confused on the phone ticket.  What stops a person for giving a random cell number for the tickets and therefor selling them to that number.  
    I am guessing the tickets will be texted to  you. Only thing that makes sense. They can't be available in your fan club account because if you really wanted to sell them, you would just give the person your login info and password
    Most phones now can receive text messages. There is a reason they used "smartphone" and not just phone. Particularly, Iphone and Android. They will likely be given through some sort of app
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    JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 18,941
    JimmyV said:
    I'm wondering if the switch to TM and Verified Fan has anything to do with the early Fenway onsale debacle two years ago. Was that TicketsNow that had to issue all those refunds for selling tickets early? We never really did get a good explanation for what happened there.
    Fenway shows will still be sold on Tickets.com like all other Fenway concerts.  The Ticketmaster listings say “on partner site”.  So when they go on sale, you’ll be redirected there and enter your Verified Fan code.  
    Well, that answers that. Good info.
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    ZodZod Posts: 10,292
    demetrios said:
    Wonder how much Pearl Jam Ticketmaster tickets will be selling for ..


    The thing is, I think they're barking up the wrong tree.   The ticket surcharge.  It's not really deceptive.   It posted on the ticket, it's posted when you buy the ticket, it's on your receipt.  It's not hidden at all.  Everyone knows Ticketmaster adds a fee to the ticket.  The base fee of the ticket goes to the promoter, TM profits with the surcharge.

    Why aren't our government going after ticketmaster under antitrust/monopoloy laws.  Bring back competition (which would also help drive down surcharges).
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    ZodZod Posts: 10,292
    JR86440 said:
    I am still confused on the phone ticket.  What stops a person for giving a random cell number for the tickets and therefor selling them to that number.  
    I am guessing the tickets will be texted to  you. Only thing that makes sense. They can't be available in your fan club account because if you really wanted to sell them, you would just give the person your login info and password
    you can forward a text message, texting is one of the old most unsecure technologies out there. 
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    VanEyckVanEyck Posts: 171
    edited January 2018
    JimmyV said:
    People are always begging them to do something about scalpers. Well...here we are. I have some concerns about how this will all work but I'm willing to give it a shot.
    I'd argue that anything that doesn't require in-person pick-up is way easier for scalpers to infiltrate.  I won't get into details of what problems I see arising here.
    This is my biggest concern as well...

    While the new practices have neutralized some opportunities for Ticket-fuckery, this has opened up some new ones. As someone said earlier, there is some ambiguity and hopefully that will dissuade some from trying to game the system, but I doubt it. 
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    JR86440JR86440 Posts: 740
    edited January 2018
    Zod said:
    JR86440 said:
    I am still confused on the phone ticket.  What stops a person for giving a random cell number for the tickets and therefor selling them to that number.  
    I am guessing the tickets will be texted to  you. Only thing that makes sense. They can't be available in your fan club account because if you really wanted to sell them, you would just give the person your login info and password
    you can forward a text message, texting is one of the old most unsecure technologies out there. 
    yeah. I am not sure what they are going to do. Find out soon enough but i am guessing there will be some work around. Not that I am going to need it.. 

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    JR86440JR86440 Posts: 740
    KC138045 said:
    JR86440 said:
    I am still confused on the phone ticket.  What stops a person for giving a random cell number for the tickets and therefor selling them to that number.  
    I am guessing the tickets will be texted to  you. Only thing that makes sense. They can't be available in your fan club account because if you really wanted to sell them, you would just give the person your login info and password

    Whenever I've used mobile entry whether it be a sporting event or a plane ticket a link was sent that aloud me to transfer it to my apple wallet.

    looks like this

    yep, I use same thing. Just curious what they can and will do to ensure only one ticket gets transferred. Doesnt seem like it is possible to really enforce that but what do I know
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    demetrios said:
    Wonder how much Pearl Jam Ticketmaster tickets will be selling for ..


    Yea seriously. $35 in ticketmaster fees for a $45 Dead & Co. ticket...give me a break. So sick.
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