Opioid Addiction in the US, Heroin and Oxys

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 14,859
    edited June 5
    this was a doctor overprescribing IN A HOSPITAL.  He had help. The pharmacist, the nursing staff that actually administered the medications. All of whom should have spoken up.....
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  • hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of foreverPosts: 19,617
    I was recently in the hospital and was given Oxy; upon discharge, got a prescription for 5mg which does nothing.  It has been incredibly tempting to take more than one at a time (hell, I'm not even taking them now; it's pointless) just to relieve the pain, but I'm resolute in not becoming dependent on it or any other opioid - or anything - as the prospect scares the hell out of me.

    I don't want to hurt anymore though.

    How do others deal with it?  I believe I'm no stronger than anyone else.

    Shame on any medical professionals who are so reckless with their care.
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 9,995
    hedonist said:
    I was recently in the hospital and was given Oxy; upon discharge, got a prescription for 5mg which does nothing.  It has been incredibly tempting to take more than one at a time (hell, I'm not even taking them now; it's pointless) just to relieve the pain, but I'm resolute in not becoming dependent on it or any other opioid - or anything - as the prospect scares the hell out of me.

    I don't want to hurt anymore though.

    How do others deal with it?  I believe I'm no stronger than anyone else.

    Shame on any medical professionals who are so reckless with their care.

    I'm sorry to hear you're hurting still :(

    The weird thing is, most of the research shows that the opiates aren't actually that much more effective at pain management than non-opiate alternatives, except in a few particular instances, and the dangers are so significant. Combinations of anti-inflammatories and acetaminophen are often just as effective, though of course not everyone tolerates anti-inflammatories either. There are other options out there too. I hope you find something soon that helps, whether medication or non-medication. Good luck. 
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 6,400
    Are opiates addictive if you follow the DRs recommendation on how much to take in a day?  And if they are not much more effective than other pain killers?  I assume the pharma company that sells these knows this, is it possible that they took that knowledge, knowing people would take more than the recommended dose and become addicted to creating more customers?
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 18,575
    hedonist said:
    I was recently in the hospital and was given Oxy; upon discharge, got a prescription for 5mg which does nothing.  It has been incredibly tempting to take more than one at a time (hell, I'm not even taking them now; it's pointless) just to relieve the pain, but I'm resolute in not becoming dependent on it or any other opioid - or anything - as the prospect scares the hell out of me.

    I don't want to hurt anymore though.

    How do others deal with it?  I believe I'm no stronger than anyone else.

    Shame on any medical professionals who are so reckless with their care.
    CBD oil or try smoking a joint.

    Seriously.
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 6,400
    hedonist said:
    I was recently in the hospital and was given Oxy; upon discharge, got a prescription for 5mg which does nothing.  It has been incredibly tempting to take more than one at a time (hell, I'm not even taking them now; it's pointless) just to relieve the pain, but I'm resolute in not becoming dependent on it or any other opioid - or anything - as the prospect scares the hell out of me.

    I don't want to hurt anymore though.

    How do others deal with it?  I believe I'm no stronger than anyone else.

    Shame on any medical professionals who are so reckless with their care.
    CBD oil or try smoking a joint.

    Seriously.
    Oil is excellent...it really gives me a good night sleep...
  • hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of foreverPosts: 19,617
    hedonist said:
    I was recently in the hospital and was given Oxy; upon discharge, got a prescription for 5mg which does nothing.  It has been incredibly tempting to take more than one at a time (hell, I'm not even taking them now; it's pointless) just to relieve the pain, but I'm resolute in not becoming dependent on it or any other opioid - or anything - as the prospect scares the hell out of me.

    I don't want to hurt anymore though.

    How do others deal with it?  I believe I'm no stronger than anyone else.

    Shame on any medical professionals who are so reckless with their care.
    CBD oil or try smoking a joint.

    Seriously.
    I've been using cannabis in various forms but it sadly isn't a cure-all.  And I'm laying off the tinctures as I was using a lot and the oils/mixes didn't sit well with me.  Flower and edibles for now; they do help some with relaxation and sleep.

    Meltdown, I don't know.  Mine do nothing, so why would I even follow the instructions to take them?  May be moot anyway, as I've been told to take them as needed.  I'm more frightened of relying on them than the pain itself.  That said, I can completely see someone upping their dosage out of desperation.  Makes sense yet no sense.

    often, thank you.  My liver dictates no standard OTC relief.  I'm hopefully starting physical therapy next week which may bring some relief (pleeeease!).  Still, it would be nice - a mental relief, even - to have a small stash of "if I absolutely need to's".

    And mickey, I meant to say...well, you know.  And I wish you well.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 14,859
    hedonist said:
    hedonist said:
    I was recently in the hospital and was given Oxy; upon discharge, got a prescription for 5mg which does nothing.  It has been incredibly tempting to take more than one at a time (hell, I'm not even taking them now; it's pointless) just to relieve the pain, but I'm resolute in not becoming dependent on it or any other opioid - or anything - as the prospect scares the hell out of me.

    I don't want to hurt anymore though.

    How do others deal with it?  I believe I'm no stronger than anyone else.

    Shame on any medical professionals who are so reckless with their care.
    CBD oil or try smoking a joint.

    Seriously.
    I've been using cannabis in various forms but it sadly isn't a cure-all.  And I'm laying off the tinctures as I was using a lot and the oils/mixes didn't sit well with me.  Flower and edibles for now; they do help some with relaxation and sleep.

    Meltdown, I don't know.  Mine do nothing, so why would I even follow the instructions to take them?  May be moot anyway, as I've been told to take them as needed.  I'm more frightened of relying on them than the pain itself.  That said, I can completely see someone upping their dosage out of desperation.  Makes sense yet no sense.

    often, thank you.  My liver dictates no standard OTC relief.  I'm hopefully starting physical therapy next week which may bring some relief (pleeeease!).  Still, it would be nice - a mental relief, even - to have a small stash of "if I absolutely need to's".

    And mickey, I meant to say...well, you know.  And I wish you well.
    back at ya lady. do your thing. got your back.
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  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, AustraliaPosts: 13,316
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  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, AustraliaPosts: 13,316
    Glad you thought so.
    Do you guys have safe injecting rooms in the US?
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 6,400
    hedonist said:
    hedonist said:
    I was recently in the hospital and was given Oxy; upon discharge, got a prescription for 5mg which does nothing.  It has been incredibly tempting to take more than one at a time (hell, I'm not even taking them now; it's pointless) just to relieve the pain, but I'm resolute in not becoming dependent on it or any other opioid - or anything - as the prospect scares the hell out of me.

    I don't want to hurt anymore though.

    How do others deal with it?  I believe I'm no stronger than anyone else.

    Shame on any medical professionals who are so reckless with their care.
    CBD oil or try smoking a joint.

    Seriously.
    I've been using cannabis in various forms but it sadly isn't a cure-all.  And I'm laying off the tinctures as I was using a lot and the oils/mixes didn't sit well with me.  Flower and edibles for now; they do help some with relaxation and sleep.

    Meltdown, I don't know.  Mine do nothing, so why would I even follow the instructions to take them?  May be moot anyway, as I've been told to take them as needed.  I'm more frightened of relying on them than the pain itself.  That said, I can completely see someone upping their dosage out of desperation.  Makes sense yet no sense.

    often, thank you.  My liver dictates no standard OTC relief.  I'm hopefully starting physical therapy next week which may bring some relief (pleeeease!).  Still, it would be nice - a mental relief, even - to have a small stash of "if I absolutely need to's".

    And mickey, I meant to say...well, you know.  And I wish you well.
    That's the thing with Cannabis, what works me, might not work for you...so I do apologize.   For some, it's trial and error.
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 6,400
    mickeyrat said:
    this was a doctor overprescribing IN A HOSPITAL.  He had help. The pharmacist, the nursing staff that actually administered the medications. All of whom should have spoken up.....
    Yes, you raised valid points.  It seems hospitals need better checks and balance system...
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 6,400
    Glad you thought so.
    Do you guys have safe injecting rooms in the US?
    In Canada, we have safe injection sites and soon safe injection sites in prison...
  • hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of foreverPosts: 19,617
    hedonist said:
    hedonist said:
    I was recently in the hospital and was given Oxy; upon discharge, got a prescription for 5mg which does nothing.  It has been incredibly tempting to take more than one at a time (hell, I'm not even taking them now; it's pointless) just to relieve the pain, but I'm resolute in not becoming dependent on it or any other opioid - or anything - as the prospect scares the hell out of me.

    I don't want to hurt anymore though.

    How do others deal with it?  I believe I'm no stronger than anyone else.

    Shame on any medical professionals who are so reckless with their care.
    CBD oil or try smoking a joint.

    Seriously.
    I've been using cannabis in various forms but it sadly isn't a cure-all.  And I'm laying off the tinctures as I was using a lot and the oils/mixes didn't sit well with me.  Flower and edibles for now; they do help some with relaxation and sleep.

    Meltdown, I don't know.  Mine do nothing, so why would I even follow the instructions to take them?  May be moot anyway, as I've been told to take them as needed.  I'm more frightened of relying on them than the pain itself.  That said, I can completely see someone upping their dosage out of desperation.  Makes sense yet no sense.

    often, thank you.  My liver dictates no standard OTC relief.  I'm hopefully starting physical therapy next week which may bring some relief (pleeeease!).  Still, it would be nice - a mental relief, even - to have a small stash of "if I absolutely need to's".

    And mickey, I meant to say...well, you know.  And I wish you well.
    That's the thing with Cannabis, what works me, might not work for you...so I do apologize.   For some, it's trial and error.
    Thank you, and while I agree about cannabis, I was speaking of Oxy specifically in my case.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 18,575
    Glad you thought so.
    Do you guys have safe injecting rooms in the US?
    I have never heard of them.  The majority of people would go nuts over that I'd think.

    Seattle might be a good candidate to try that considering the little house thing is becoming them it seems.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 14,859
    Glad you thought so.
    Do you guys have safe injecting rooms in the US?
    I have never heard of them.  The majority of people would go nuts over that I'd think.

    Seattle might be a good candidate to try that considering the little house thing is becoming them it seems.
    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/azeenghorayshi/philadelphia-safe-injection-site

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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 18,575
    mickeyrat said:
    Glad you thought so.
    Do you guys have safe injecting rooms in the US?
    I have never heard of them.  The majority of people would go nuts over that I'd think.

    Seattle might be a good candidate to try that considering the little house thing is becoming them it seems.
    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/azeenghorayshi/philadelphia-safe-injection-site

    Philly?  Wouldn't have seen that coming.  Seattle I'd expect.

    So there you have it, we have 2 cities with them.

    Crazy.
  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 1,054
    My friend, who works at a hospital, tells me it is actually pretty common that people will shoot up right in hospital parking lots in case of overdose. I live in a fairly small but very conservative “wealthy” town and she says drug ods or related situations are one of the most common reasons for er. visit. I’ve done my fair share of Vicodin and glad I never really liked them especially considering my addictive personality. I do know after doing them even just a week or so pretty heavy how shitty I would feel for like a whole week afterwards and actually make common pains feel worse.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 14,859
    mickeyrat said:
    Glad you thought so.
    Do you guys have safe injecting rooms in the US?
    I have never heard of them.  The majority of people would go nuts over that I'd think.

    Seattle might be a good candidate to try that considering the little house thing is becoming them it seems.
    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/azeenghorayshi/philadelphia-safe-injection-site

    Philly?  Wouldn't have seen that coming.  Seattle I'd expect.

    So there you have it, we have 2 cities with them.

    Crazy.
    recall hearing about a very young mayor somewhere in upstate or western new york with the idea to do the same.
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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 18,575
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Glad you thought so.
    Do you guys have safe injecting rooms in the US?
    I have never heard of them.  The majority of people would go nuts over that I'd think.

    Seattle might be a good candidate to try that considering the little house thing is becoming them it seems.
    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/azeenghorayshi/philadelphia-safe-injection-site

    Philly?  Wouldn't have seen that coming.  Seattle I'd expect.

    So there you have it, we have 2 cities with them.

    Crazy.
    recall hearing about a very young mayor somewhere in upstate or western new york with the idea to do the same.
    Upstate might as well be another country to us here.  We get zero news about what happens up there.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 27,274
    Hi! said:
    My friend, who works at a hospital, tells me it is actually pretty common that people will shoot up right in hospital parking lots in case of overdose. I live in a fairly small but very conservative “wealthy” town and she says drug ods or related situations are one of the most common reasons for er. visit. I’ve done my fair share of Vicodin and glad I never really liked them especially considering my addictive personality. I do know after doing them even just a week or so pretty heavy how shitty I would feel for like a whole week afterwards and actually make common pains feel worse.
    I'm lucky in that all pain killers make me feel like shit- so much so that pain is less of a problem.  Benzodiazapines and opium, on the other hand are like candy to me.  I have/ have to stay away from them.  Thank goodness for cannabis. 
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  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 1,054
    edited June 11
    brianlux said:
    Hi! said:
    My friend, who works at a hospital, tells me it is actually pretty common that people will shoot up right in hospital parking lots in case of overdose. I live in a fairly small but very conservative “wealthy” town and she says drug ods or related situations are one of the most common reasons for er. visit. I’ve done my fair share of Vicodin and glad I never really liked them especially considering my addictive personality. I do know after doing them even just a week or so pretty heavy how shitty I would feel for like a whole week afterwards and actually make common pains feel worse.
    I'm lucky in that all pain killers make me feel like shit- so much so that pain is less of a problem.  Benzodiazapines and opium, on the other hand are like candy to me.  I have/ have to stay away from them.  Thank goodness for cannabis. 
    Yep, l like weed, coffee, and cigs. Never got into drinking much, thank god. All my brothers are severe alcoholics.
    i had a bad Adderall addiction for like 6 yrs. Fuck.... I actually did some the other week, for the first time in yrs, never again. I got 40 30’s and did like 15 of them in a weekend. When I started crashing, flushed the rest down the toilet. Evil fucking shit, and they be giving that shit to little kids. Fucked up. Never again.
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  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, AustraliaPosts: 13,316
    Glad you thought so.
    Do you guys have safe injecting rooms in the US?
    I have never heard of them.  The majority of people would go nuts over that I'd think.

    Seattle might be a good candidate to try that considering the little house thing is becoming them it seems.
    Is Seattle the heroin capital of the US?
    If so, what are the reasons?
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, AustraliaPosts: 13,316
    Any ex-heroin addicts here? Is it really that hard to kick?
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 18,575
    Glad you thought so.
    Do you guys have safe injecting rooms in the US?
    I have never heard of them.  The majority of people would go nuts over that I'd think.

    Seattle might be a good candidate to try that considering the little house thing is becoming them it seems.
    Is Seattle the heroin capital of the US?
    If so, what are the reasons?
    It is all debatable on "why".

    Let some of the locals chime in as they have in the "homeless" thread.  They have a much better grip on this then I would.
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 6,400
    edited June 11
    Any ex-heroin addicts here? Is it really that hard to kick?
    Yeah, any drug that you inject in your view is bad and very dumb.  Drugs were discussed in high school and heroin addiction is so damaging. I have a friend who is a nurse who worked with homeless and addicted...it's tragic that they see no other way that staying in a drug-induced haze.  

    American Cities with the Highest Addiction Rates
    https://www.dualdiagnosis.org/american-cities-with-the-highest-addiction-rates/


  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 1,054
    Any ex-heroin addicts here? Is it really that hard to kick?
    I talked with a guy once who did it once and he said it was so good it scared the shit out of him and he never did it again. Better than sex is also how he described it. I can’t even imagine what withdrawal would be like.
  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, AustraliaPosts: 13,316
    Any ex-heroin addicts here? Is it really that hard to kick?
    Yeah, any drug that you inject in your view is bad and very dumb.  Drugs were discussed in high school and heroin addiction is so damaging. I have a friend who is a nurse who worked with homeless and addicted...it's tragic that they see no other way that staying in a drug-induced haze.  

    American Cities with the Highest Addiction Rates
    https://www.dualdiagnosis.org/american-cities-with-the-highest-addiction-rates/


    Funny you posted that as I am listening to Neil Young haha.
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
  • Thoughts_ArriveThoughts_Arrive Melbourne, AustraliaPosts: 13,316
    Hi! said:
    Any ex-heroin addicts here? Is it really that hard to kick?
    I talked with a guy once who did it once and he said it was so good it scared the shit out of him and he never did it again. Better than sex is also how he described it. I can’t even imagine what withdrawal would be like.
    The best feeling I've had was with painkillers after I broke a bone in my foot. I didn't know much about drugs at the time. I felt warm, euphoric and my depression and anxiety was wiped away. I'd like to have that feeling all the time without addiction.
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
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