Opioid Addiction in the US, Heroin and Oxys
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So, how’s ‘ol Rush, “If I didn’t shoot it and divorce her,” Limbo feeling about the Louisiana Reversal and how great the drugs must flow? Huh? Any defenders here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z-hKprKdII
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Halifax2TheMax said:So, how’s ‘ol Rush, “If I didn’t shoot it and divorce her,” Limbo feeling about the Louisiana Reversal and how great the drugs must flow? Huh? Any defenders here?
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tempo_n_groove said:Halifax2TheMax said:So, how’s ‘ol Rush, “If I didn’t shoot it and divorce her,” Limbo feeling about the Louisiana Reversal and how great the drugs must flow? Huh? Any defenders here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z-hKprKdII
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCDAfa-NI-M
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I would like to add another perspective on this issue:
I do not deny that there is much opiate abuse out there.
The current demonizing of opiates is very damaging to those that rely on them for basic life function.
I have a rarely diagnosed genetic disorder (Ehlers Danlos). The rate of diagnosis is, in itself a huge issue, but that is for another discussion altogether. One of the core issues of this disorder is intractable widespread pain. Many of the individuals with this disorder rely on opiates to function on a basic level. My presentation of this disorder is very mild, so I can typically function with OTC Ibuprofen. I start my day off with a minimum of 600mg, to just be able to do things like laundry and driving kids to school, and end my day with another minimum of 600mg. On really bad days I go as high as 1000mg every 4 hours (I metabolize meds quicker than most thanks to EDS.) My stomach is a mess. I have a slew of nsaid prescriptions that I have tried. None of which relieve my pain. ($60.00 a pop for things that don't work.) I have muscle relaxers and migraine meds. Some days none of these things work, and so I end up curled up on the couch with a blanket over my head. "Couch" mom, is not a fun mom. I had the fortunate experience of having a bad flare up of bursitis a year ago, and a doctor willing to prescribe a mild opiate. I layered my meds, just like I always have to do, and was able to keep a few meds for future flare ups. On the days I would have needed to resort to "Couch" mom, I was able to function. Those days, I could even get out and tend to my dahlia garden. The script was mild enough to not get me high. I have never needed to be 100% pain free everyday. I need a few days of relief occasionally to be able to recharge myself to be able to handle pain days. I do not get to enjoy this luxury because of the current mindset about opiates. I would be thrilled to have a non-opiate solution to my pain flare ups.
Some people need opiates for basic function.
Individuals can metabolize meds in unique ways. (Because of this not all pain relievers work for everyone.)
More investment into research and development of alternative pain relievers is crucial.
Access to quality mental healthcare is essential.
At minimum, legalizing medical marijuana in all states. (Remember though, metabolism of anything can be unique to the individual. )
Intractable pain can rob someone of their will to live.
Intractable pain can disable a person that would rather be engaged physically.
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dionnesimone said:I would like to add another perspective on this issue:
I do not deny that there is much opiate abuse out there.
The current demonizing of opiates is very damaging to those that rely on them for basic life function.
I have a rarely diagnosed genetic disorder (Ehlers Danlos). The rate of diagnosis is, in itself a huge issue, but that is for another discussion altogether. One of the core issues of this disorder is intractable widespread pain. Many of the individuals with this disorder rely on opiates to function on a basic level. My presentation of this disorder is very mild, so I can typically function with OTC Ibuprofen. I start my day off with a minimum of 600mg, to just be able to do things like laundry and driving kids to school, and end my day with another minimum of 600mg. On really bad days I go as high as 1000mg every 4 hours (I metabolize meds quicker than most thanks to EDS.) My stomach is a mess. I have a slew of nsaid prescriptions that I have tried. None of which relieve my pain. ($60.00 a pop for things that don't work.) I have muscle relaxers and migraine meds. Some days none of these things work, and so I end up curled up on the couch with a blanket over my head. "Couch" mom, is not a fun mom. I had the fortunate experience of having a bad flare up of bursitis a year ago, and a doctor willing to prescribe a mild opiate. I layered my meds, just like I always have to do, and was able to keep a few meds for future flare ups. On the days I would have needed to resort to "Couch" mom, I was able to function. Those days, I could even get out and tend to my dahlia garden. The script was mild enough to not get me high. I have never needed to be 100% pain free everyday. I need a few days of relief occasionally to be able to recharge myself to be able to handle pain days. I do not get to enjoy this luxury because of the current mindset about opiates. I would be thrilled to have a non-opiate solution to my pain flare ups.
Some people need opiates for basic function.
Individuals can metabolize meds in unique ways. (Because of this not all pain relievers work for everyone.)
More investment into research and development of alternative pain relievers is crucial.
Access to quality mental healthcare is essential.
At minimum, legalizing medical marijuana in all states. (Remember though, metabolism of anything can be unique to the individual. )
Intractable pain can rob someone of their will to live.
Intractable pain can disable a person that would rather be engaged physically.
Unfortunately when the pharmaceutical industry pushed the doctors to prescribe pain meds like candy it all started to go south...
Medical marijuana is going to be the future. The tobacco inductry will find a way to fuck that up though...0 -
tempo_n_groove said:dionnesimone said:I would like to add another perspective on this issue:
I do not deny that there is much opiate abuse out there.
The current demonizing of opiates is very damaging to those that rely on them for basic life function.
I have a rarely diagnosed genetic disorder (Ehlers Danlos). The rate of diagnosis is, in itself a huge issue, but that is for another discussion altogether. One of the core issues of this disorder is intractable widespread pain. Many of the individuals with this disorder rely on opiates to function on a basic level. My presentation of this disorder is very mild, so I can typically function with OTC Ibuprofen. I start my day off with a minimum of 600mg, to just be able to do things like laundry and driving kids to school, and end my day with another minimum of 600mg. On really bad days I go as high as 1000mg every 4 hours (I metabolize meds quicker than most thanks to EDS.) My stomach is a mess. I have a slew of nsaid prescriptions that I have tried. None of which relieve my pain. ($60.00 a pop for things that don't work.) I have muscle relaxers and migraine meds. Some days none of these things work, and so I end up curled up on the couch with a blanket over my head. "Couch" mom, is not a fun mom. I had the fortunate experience of having a bad flare up of bursitis a year ago, and a doctor willing to prescribe a mild opiate. I layered my meds, just like I always have to do, and was able to keep a few meds for future flare ups. On the days I would have needed to resort to "Couch" mom, I was able to function. Those days, I could even get out and tend to my dahlia garden. The script was mild enough to not get me high. I have never needed to be 100% pain free everyday. I need a few days of relief occasionally to be able to recharge myself to be able to handle pain days. I do not get to enjoy this luxury because of the current mindset about opiates. I would be thrilled to have a non-opiate solution to my pain flare ups.
Some people need opiates for basic function.
Individuals can metabolize meds in unique ways. (Because of this not all pain relievers work for everyone.)
More investment into research and development of alternative pain relievers is crucial.
Access to quality mental healthcare is essential.
At minimum, legalizing medical marijuana in all states. (Remember though, metabolism of anything can be unique to the individual. )
Intractable pain can rob someone of their will to live.
Intractable pain can disable a person that would rather be engaged physically.
Unfortunately when the pharmaceutical industry pushed the doctors to prescribe pain meds like candy it all started to go south...
Medical marijuana is going to be the future. The tobacco inductry will find a way to fuck that up though...
I agree that opiates have been over prescribed.
If you only agree with a few of my last statements, I would encourage you to look into some of the things you disagree with further. It may or may not sway your perspective, but will absolutely give you more to think about.
This is my favorite site for information on issues relating to Ehlers Danlos. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/?term=ehlers+danlos+syndrome https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/?term=Ehlers+danlos+pain Through awareness spread by friends with the disorder, and this site, I was able to get my official diagnosis from a geneticist. Without these sources/resources, I would have died without a diagnosis.
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dionnesimone said:tempo_n_groove said:dionnesimone said:I would like to add another perspective on this issue:
I do not deny that there is much opiate abuse out there.
The current demonizing of opiates is very damaging to those that rely on them for basic life function.
I have a rarely diagnosed genetic disorder (Ehlers Danlos). The rate of diagnosis is, in itself a huge issue, but that is for another discussion altogether. One of the core issues of this disorder is intractable widespread pain. Many of the individuals with this disorder rely on opiates to function on a basic level. My presentation of this disorder is very mild, so I can typically function with OTC Ibuprofen. I start my day off with a minimum of 600mg, to just be able to do things like laundry and driving kids to school, and end my day with another minimum of 600mg. On really bad days I go as high as 1000mg every 4 hours (I metabolize meds quicker than most thanks to EDS.) My stomach is a mess. I have a slew of nsaid prescriptions that I have tried. None of which relieve my pain. ($60.00 a pop for things that don't work.) I have muscle relaxers and migraine meds. Some days none of these things work, and so I end up curled up on the couch with a blanket over my head. "Couch" mom, is not a fun mom. I had the fortunate experience of having a bad flare up of bursitis a year ago, and a doctor willing to prescribe a mild opiate. I layered my meds, just like I always have to do, and was able to keep a few meds for future flare ups. On the days I would have needed to resort to "Couch" mom, I was able to function. Those days, I could even get out and tend to my dahlia garden. The script was mild enough to not get me high. I have never needed to be 100% pain free everyday. I need a few days of relief occasionally to be able to recharge myself to be able to handle pain days. I do not get to enjoy this luxury because of the current mindset about opiates. I would be thrilled to have a non-opiate solution to my pain flare ups.
Some people need opiates for basic function.
Individuals can metabolize meds in unique ways. (Because of this not all pain relievers work for everyone.)
More investment into research and development of alternative pain relievers is crucial.
Access to quality mental healthcare is essential.
At minimum, legalizing medical marijuana in all states. (Remember though, metabolism of anything can be unique to the individual. )
Intractable pain can rob someone of their will to live.
Intractable pain can disable a person that would rather be engaged physically.
Unfortunately when the pharmaceutical industry pushed the doctors to prescribe pain meds like candy it all started to go south...
Medical marijuana is going to be the future. The tobacco inductry will find a way to fuck that up though...
I agree that opiates have been over prescribed.
If you only agree with a few of my last statements, I would encourage you to look into some of the things you disagree with further. It may or may not sway your perspective, but will absolutely give you more to think about.
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tempo_n_groove said:dionnesimone said:tempo_n_groove said:dionnesimone said:I would like to add another perspective on this issue:
I do not deny that there is much opiate abuse out there.
The current demonizing of opiates is very damaging to those that rely on them for basic life function.
I have a rarely diagnosed genetic disorder (Ehlers Danlos). The rate of diagnosis is, in itself a huge issue, but that is for another discussion altogether. One of the core issues of this disorder is intractable widespread pain. Many of the individuals with this disorder rely on opiates to function on a basic level. My presentation of this disorder is very mild, so I can typically function with OTC Ibuprofen. I start my day off with a minimum of 600mg, to just be able to do things like laundry and driving kids to school, and end my day with another minimum of 600mg. On really bad days I go as high as 1000mg every 4 hours (I metabolize meds quicker than most thanks to EDS.) My stomach is a mess. I have a slew of nsaid prescriptions that I have tried. None of which relieve my pain. ($60.00 a pop for things that don't work.) I have muscle relaxers and migraine meds. Some days none of these things work, and so I end up curled up on the couch with a blanket over my head. "Couch" mom, is not a fun mom. I had the fortunate experience of having a bad flare up of bursitis a year ago, and a doctor willing to prescribe a mild opiate. I layered my meds, just like I always have to do, and was able to keep a few meds for future flare ups. On the days I would have needed to resort to "Couch" mom, I was able to function. Those days, I could even get out and tend to my dahlia garden. The script was mild enough to not get me high. I have never needed to be 100% pain free everyday. I need a few days of relief occasionally to be able to recharge myself to be able to handle pain days. I do not get to enjoy this luxury because of the current mindset about opiates. I would be thrilled to have a non-opiate solution to my pain flare ups.
Some people need opiates for basic function.
Individuals can metabolize meds in unique ways. (Because of this not all pain relievers work for everyone.)
More investment into research and development of alternative pain relievers is crucial.
Access to quality mental healthcare is essential.
At minimum, legalizing medical marijuana in all states. (Remember though, metabolism of anything can be unique to the individual. )
Intractable pain can rob someone of their will to live.
Intractable pain can disable a person that would rather be engaged physically.
Unfortunately when the pharmaceutical industry pushed the doctors to prescribe pain meds like candy it all started to go south...
Medical marijuana is going to be the future. The tobacco inductry will find a way to fuck that up though...
I agree that opiates have been over prescribed.
If you only agree with a few of my last statements, I would encourage you to look into some of the things you disagree with further. It may or may not sway your perspective, but will absolutely give you more to think about.
Thanks for sharing with us!
Cheers!
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"Almost every state is suing Purdue Pharma, the maker of Oxycontin."
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/04/nearly-every-us-state-is-now-suing-oxycontin-maker-purdue-pharma.html
This will be very interesting to watch unfold.
The damage is done though. I hope they can figure out a way to not reproduce the tragedy.0 -
Ohio doctor charged with 25 counts of murder, accused of prescribing excessive doses of painkillers
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ohio-doctor-charged-25-counts-murder-accused-prescribing-excessive-doses-n970026?fbclid=IwAR3kod_UARGGitHvabYPw2hcsOp1MNyfeXHDtMlADQu03ypx88sR0pOwekA
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Meltdown99 said:Ohio doctor charged with 25 counts of murder, accused of prescribing excessive doses of painkillers
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ohio-doctor-charged-25-counts-murder-accused-prescribing-excessive-doses-n970026?fbclid=IwAR3kod_UARGGitHvabYPw2hcsOp1MNyfeXHDtMlADQu03ypx88sR0pOwekA
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I was recently in the hospital and was given Oxy; upon discharge, got a prescription for 5mg which does nothing. It has been incredibly tempting to take more than one at a time (hell, I'm not even taking them now; it's pointless) just to relieve the pain, but I'm resolute in not becoming dependent on it or any other opioid - or anything - as the prospect scares the hell out of me.
I don't want to hurt anymore though.
How do others deal with it? I believe I'm no stronger than anyone else.
Shame on any medical professionals who are so reckless with their care.0 -
hedonist said:I was recently in the hospital and was given Oxy; upon discharge, got a prescription for 5mg which does nothing. It has been incredibly tempting to take more than one at a time (hell, I'm not even taking them now; it's pointless) just to relieve the pain, but I'm resolute in not becoming dependent on it or any other opioid - or anything - as the prospect scares the hell out of me.
I don't want to hurt anymore though.
How do others deal with it? I believe I'm no stronger than anyone else.
Shame on any medical professionals who are so reckless with their care.
I'm sorry to hear you're hurting still :(
The weird thing is, most of the research shows that the opiates aren't actually that much more effective at pain management than non-opiate alternatives, except in a few particular instances, and the dangers are so significant. Combinations of anti-inflammatories and acetaminophen are often just as effective, though of course not everyone tolerates anti-inflammatories either. There are other options out there too. I hope you find something soon that helps, whether medication or non-medication. Good luck.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Are opiates addictive if you follow the DRs recommendation on how much to take in a day? And if they are not much more effective than other pain killers? I assume the pharma company that sells these knows this, is it possible that they took that knowledge, knowing people would take more than the recommended dose and become addicted to creating more customers?Give Peas A Chance…0
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hedonist said:I was recently in the hospital and was given Oxy; upon discharge, got a prescription for 5mg which does nothing. It has been incredibly tempting to take more than one at a time (hell, I'm not even taking them now; it's pointless) just to relieve the pain, but I'm resolute in not becoming dependent on it or any other opioid - or anything - as the prospect scares the hell out of me.
I don't want to hurt anymore though.
How do others deal with it? I believe I'm no stronger than anyone else.
Shame on any medical professionals who are so reckless with their care.
Seriously.0 -
tempo_n_groove said:hedonist said:I was recently in the hospital and was given Oxy; upon discharge, got a prescription for 5mg which does nothing. It has been incredibly tempting to take more than one at a time (hell, I'm not even taking them now; it's pointless) just to relieve the pain, but I'm resolute in not becoming dependent on it or any other opioid - or anything - as the prospect scares the hell out of me.
I don't want to hurt anymore though.
How do others deal with it? I believe I'm no stronger than anyone else.
Shame on any medical professionals who are so reckless with their care.
Seriously.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
tempo_n_groove said:hedonist said:I was recently in the hospital and was given Oxy; upon discharge, got a prescription for 5mg which does nothing. It has been incredibly tempting to take more than one at a time (hell, I'm not even taking them now; it's pointless) just to relieve the pain, but I'm resolute in not becoming dependent on it or any other opioid - or anything - as the prospect scares the hell out of me.
I don't want to hurt anymore though.
How do others deal with it? I believe I'm no stronger than anyone else.
Shame on any medical professionals who are so reckless with their care.
Seriously.
Meltdown, I don't know. Mine do nothing, so why would I even follow the instructions to take them? May be moot anyway, as I've been told to take them as needed. I'm more frightened of relying on them than the pain itself. That said, I can completely see someone upping their dosage out of desperation. Makes sense yet no sense.
often, thank you. My liver dictates no standard OTC relief. I'm hopefully starting physical therapy next week which may bring some relief (pleeeease!). Still, it would be nice - a mental relief, even - to have a small stash of "if I absolutely need to's".
And mickey, I meant to say...well, you know. And I wish you well.0 -
hedonist said:tempo_n_groove said:hedonist said:I was recently in the hospital and was given Oxy; upon discharge, got a prescription for 5mg which does nothing. It has been incredibly tempting to take more than one at a time (hell, I'm not even taking them now; it's pointless) just to relieve the pain, but I'm resolute in not becoming dependent on it or any other opioid - or anything - as the prospect scares the hell out of me.
I don't want to hurt anymore though.
How do others deal with it? I believe I'm no stronger than anyone else.
Shame on any medical professionals who are so reckless with their care.
Seriously.
Meltdown, I don't know. Mine do nothing, so why would I even follow the instructions to take them? May be moot anyway, as I've been told to take them as needed. I'm more frightened of relying on them than the pain itself. That said, I can completely see someone upping their dosage out of desperation. Makes sense yet no sense.
often, thank you. My liver dictates no standard OTC relief. I'm hopefully starting physical therapy next week which may bring some relief (pleeeease!). Still, it would be nice - a mental relief, even - to have a small stash of "if I absolutely need to's".
And mickey, I meant to say...well, you know. And I wish you well.
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