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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    mrussel1 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    mrussel1 said:
    stuckinline said:
    Seriously, let's vote these idiots out:

    In an astonishing defense of dropping “death taxes” for individual estates worth more than $5.5 million, GOP Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley implied that people not currently affected by that tax are “spending every darn penny ... on booze or women.”

    “I think not having the estate tax recognizes the people that are investing — as opposed to those that are just spending every darn penny they have, whether it’s on booze or women or movies,” Grassley told the Des Moines Register in an interview published Saturday. Grassley, who serves on the Finance Committee, made the remark when asked about the Senate tax reform measure which would double the exemption for estates to $11 million for an individual and $22 million for a couple. Heirs would inherit the estates tax-free.

    Grassley’s comment triggered a wave of criticism on social media. Many complained that the working class is, in fact, spending “every darn penny” on raising their kids, caring for elderly parents, health care and putting food on the table. One Twitter user complained that the GOP was turning America into a version of “The Hunger Games.”

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/grassley-estate-taxes-booze-women_us_5a247d89e4b03c44072e5a04?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

    Goddam whipper-snappers spending all their money going to the movies, eating Swedish Fish. It's why so many people are in poverty today.
    It's  not the whippet snappers causing  the poverty.
    It's  the hipsters and their  avocado toast.
    Fucking hippies!  
    Get a haircut!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,663
    I know we have several billionaires here on the forums so I would like to personally congratulate all of those of you in that income bracket on Trump's $1.5 trillion tax bill.

    (post followed by a strange and eerie silence)
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,410
    I mean, did they really believe the BS or were they just playing the game relying on this cop out of ignorance? Fuck you 51 yes voting pricks.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/house-republicans-already-shooting-down-tax-bills-promises
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    In case anyone is wondering how big a scam job this is:

    37 of 38 economists said the GOP tax plans would grow the debt. The 38th misread the question.

    Paul Ryan and Senator Rob Portman released a joint letter signed by 137 economists endorsing the tax overhaul. Unfortunately, their math is off again. The Intercept investigated the names that appear on that letter, and not everyone on there is really an economist. In fact at least one person seems to not exist at all. 
    GOP’S LIST OF ECONOMISTS BACKING TAX CUT INCLUDES GHOSTS, OFFICE ASSISTANTS, EX-FELONS, AND A SPRINKLING OF REAL ECONOMISTS


  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,262
    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!! What a bunch of idiots!

    Senate Republicans Appear to Have Made a $289 Billion Mistake in Their Tax Bill - Slate https://apple.news/A5RK9azF1ScaEzG9YudYZsg
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    I can't believe our Congress our elected officials are letting lobbyists draft the legislation!
    UNPRESIDENTED!!!!

    here a good link tax impacts

    https://itep.org/
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    JC29856 said:
    I can't believe our Congress our elected officials are letting lobbyists draft the legislation!
    UNPRESIDENTED!!!!

    here a good link tax impacts

    https://itep.org/
    I'll be sure to click that. 
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    JC29856 said:
    I can't believe our Congress our elected officials are letting lobbyists draft the legislation!
    UNPRESIDENTED!!!!

    here a good link tax impacts

    https://itep.org/
    We'd better all go out and vote for as many Trumps and Moores as we can!
    That'll show 'em!
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    treasury analysis!

    It basically says two things:

    • The analysis from the Joint Committee on Taxation is correct.
    • Tax revenue will rise if we assume 2.9 percent economic growth.

    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/12/the-missing-treasury-analysis-of-the-republican-tax-plan-has-finally-been-released/
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    JC29856 said:
    treasury analysis!

    It basically says two things:

    • The analysis from the Joint Committee on Taxation is correct.
    • Tax revenue will rise if we assume 2.9 percent economic growth.

    http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/12/the-missing-treasury-analysis-of-the-republican-tax-plan-has-finally-been-released/

    There are three key angles to this, and let’s start with the substance of the Treasury’s document. Congressional Republicans and the Trump administration have sworn up and down that the GOP’s tax package would pay for itself, ignoring the conclusions of every independent analysis, including data from Congress’ own Joint Committee on Taxation.

    The Treasury Department argued this morning that the Republican promise will prove to be true if (a) we assume that the regressive tax breaks supercharge the economy; and (b) policymakers also agree to pass Trump’s non-existent infrastructure plan, Trump’s non-existent welfare reform plan, and wait for Trump’s regulatory reform plan to work wonders.

    In other words, the Trump administration is conceding that Republicans are wrong about one of the core promises of the party’s own tax plan. The Treasury effectively declared this morning, “The tax plan will pay for itself if everyone agrees to pass a bunch of other proposals, which haven’t been written, and which have nothing to do with the tax plan.”

    Second, let’s not skip past that “welfare reform” tidbit too quickly. Trump’s Treasury Department is now saying, in writing, that Republicans can pay for tax breaks for the wealthy, not only by raising taxes on the middle class, but by cutting benefits to the nation’s most vulnerable. The document is describing class warfare at its most depraved – taking money from food-stamp beneficiaries, and giving it to millionaires.

    And third, the entire Treasury Department analysis literally fits on one page. If we exclude the headline, the document isn’t quite 400 words.

    What the Trump administration released this morning isn’t an analysis of tax legislation; it’s a joke. 

    1. No office in the Treasury Department is willing to go on record as having written this one-page document.

    2. No official in the Treasury Department is willing to go on record as having written this one-page document.

    3. Not even Steven Mnuchin has put his name on this one-page document.

  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,262
    3D, D'ing hard for the dolla!
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  • mrussel1
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    Some people think we're just like Republican voters...incapable of drawing our own conclusions or integrated disparate pieces of information.  It struck me last night as I was watching Bannon speak... he really thinks/knows that his base is stupid and he continues to insult them with his rhetoric.  Some people around here try the same shenanigans.  
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,262
    Like suggesting monopolies are bad for the consumer? Like most on here didn’t know that?
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  • JC29856
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    look it up...

    When Texas Sen. John Cornyn slipped an obscure tax break for pipeline giants into the GOP tax bill, he wasn't just helping major Republican Party donors, he was also potentially helping 16 of his congressional colleagues. Together those 16 lawmakers — 13  Republicans, 3 Democrats — own multimillion-dollar stakes in the special investment vehicles that stand to benefit from Cornyn’s amendment.
  • Bentleyspop
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    mrussel1 said:
    Some people think we're just like Republican voters...incapable of drawing our own conclusions or integrated disparate pieces of information.  It struck me last night as I was watching Bannon speak... he really thinks/knows that his base is stupid and he continues to insult them with his rhetoric.  Some people around here try the same shenanigans.  
    Ewwww you watched herr bannon speak?
    Didn't  you feel dirty afterwards?
  • mrussel1
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    Bentleyspop said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Some people think we're just like Republican voters...incapable of drawing our own conclusions or integrated disparate pieces of information.  It struck me last night as I was watching Bannon speak... he really thinks/knows that his base is stupid and he continues to insult them with his rhetoric.  Some people around here try the same shenanigans.  
    Ewwww you watched herr bannon speak?
    Didn't  you feel dirty afterwards?
    Dishelved drunk.... Peter King nailed it when he called Bannon that. 
  • josevolution
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    He looks like he washes with vodka , he’s a drunk ..
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Where’s Sister Sarah? Where’s Sister Sarah and the T-Party? Where’s their outrage at the $1,000,000,000,000,000 increase in the deficit? Oh yea, shiny objects and NOBAMA.
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  • JC29856
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Where’s Sister Sarah? Where’s Sister Sarah and the T-Party? Where’s their outrage at the $1,000,000,000,000,000 increase in the deficit? Oh yea, shiny objects and NOBAMA.
    Im guessing Palin and Feinstein are huddling
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,262
    JC29856 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Where’s Sister Sarah? Where’s Sister Sarah and the T-Party? Where’s their outrage at the $1,000,000,000,000,000 increase in the deficit? Oh yea, shiny objects and NOBAMA.
    Im guessing Palin and Feinstein are huddling
    Like everything else, you’d be wrong.
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