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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 11,614
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    And you don't exist in isolation. 
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 7,081
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 20,081
    Wait does Unsung mine gold for a living my ? Is who pays your salary or do you have a $ tree 
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,150
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Get over yourself.  You're no John Galt.  Society won't miss your 'contribution'.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,150
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    The only reason your labor carries any value is because you belong to a functioning society.  Without that, your labor would primarily consist of chopping wood to keep warm. 

    Prattling on about the right to one's labor doesn't make you some great libertarian philosopher, it gives you an excuse to be a narrow-minded freeloader. 
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,485
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,485
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Get over yourself.  You're no John Galt.  Society won't miss your 'contribution'.
    I am not your slave.  Get over yourself.  You don't have the right to my labor.  
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 7,081
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 10,399
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    But he exerted his free will to enable himself to be born in the United States vs, say the Soviet Block.  Therefore he did it on his own, much like everything else he does every day.  
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 20,081
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    Exactly lucky to have been born in a country with human rights ..
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 9,209
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    Exactly. And incredibly lucky to be born in that place and that time in history. The vast majority of what you have is due to pure, blind luck; a rather small percentage is due to your own efforts. Difficult for many to accept, but it's true. Those who have a lot tend to assume it's their due. 
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,150
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Get over yourself.  You're no John Galt.  Society won't miss your 'contribution'.
    I am not your slave.  Get over yourself.  You don't have the right to my labor.  
    slave != contributing member of society

    There is no utility to your labor, if it weren't for the societal structure that surrounds you.

    Without society, your labor carries no value.

    Why is it that libertarians don't understand basic economic principles? 
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,485
    Why is it that leftists think they still own the production of others?
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 20,081
    unsung said:
    Why is it that leftists think they still own the production of others?
    That’s absurd I could careless how you make your living and how you spend your $ , you’re the one spouting that everyone should say fuck the government and everyone live off the land as if it’s 1800 get over your self...
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,485
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    No, you are wrong.  Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away.  Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges. 

    If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.
  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,150
    unsung said:
    Why is it that leftists think they still own the production of others?

    There is no utility to your labor, if it weren't for the societal structure that surrounds you. 

    Without society, your labor carries no value.

    If there wasn't a societal structure to assign value to your labor, you and whatever it is that you produce are worthless.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 20,081
    In your world when I had a heart attack 3yrs ago I’d be dead , you know why I’m alive ? Because I drove my factory made car to a local emergency rooms where educated doctors made sure I didn’t die on the operating room , thank god for living in a working society...
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,485
    edited December 2017
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Why is it that leftists think they still own the production of others?

    There is no utility to your labor, if it weren't for the societal structure that surrounds you. 

    Without society, your labor carries no value.

    If there wasn't a societal structure to assign value to your labor, you and whatever it is that you produce are worthless.
    So society should determine labor value?  Sounds rather Libertarian, LOL.  Muh free markets!

    Glad you finally agree.  Free markets should determine labor value, not government.
    Post edited by unsung on
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 11,614
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    No, you are wrong.  Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away.  Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges. 

    If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.

    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    No, you are wrong.  Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away.  Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges. 

    If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.
    No, people try to take each other's "rights" away, government is the only thing that protects you.
    You say I have no right to your labor, what if I say, "too bad, I'm taking your shit"?
    Do you think your guns protect you?  That's childishly laughable.


    I don't understand how you can fail to see how soundly your clever catch phrases get destroyed when faced with reality.  
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,485
    Define slavery.  Can you?
  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,150
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Why is it that leftists think they still own the production of others?

    There is no utility to your labor, if it weren't for the societal structure that surrounds you. 

    Without society, your labor carries no value.

    If there wasn't a societal structure to assign value to your labor, you and whatever it is that you produce are worthless.
    So society should determine labor value?  Sounds rather Libertarian, LOL.  Muh free markets!

    Glad you finally agree.  Free markets should determine labor value, not government.
    A healthy government is part of a healthy society.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 20,081
    unsung said:
    Define slavery.  Can you?
    Being made to do something against your will 
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,485
    rgambs said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    No, you are wrong.  Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away.  Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges. 

    If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.

    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    No, you are wrong.  Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away.  Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges. 

    If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.
    No, people try to take each other's "rights" away, government is the only thing that protects you.
    You say I have no right to your labor, what if I say, "too bad, I'm taking your shit"?
    Do you think your guns protect you?  That's childishly laughable.


    I don't understand how you can fail to see how soundly your clever catch phrases get destroyed when faced with reality.  
    I am so glad the Founding Fathers didn't think this way.

    Wow, just wow.  Smh.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 7,081
    unsung said:
    rgambs said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    No, you are wrong.  Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away.  Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges. 

    If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.

    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    No, you are wrong.  Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away.  Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges. 

    If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.
    No, people try to take each other's "rights" away, government is the only thing that protects you.
    You say I have no right to your labor, what if I say, "too bad, I'm taking your shit"?
    Do you think your guns protect you?  That's childishly laughable.


    I don't understand how you can fail to see how soundly your clever catch phrases get destroyed when faced with reality.  
    I am so glad the Founding Fathers didn't think this way.

    Wow, just wow.  Smh.
    The same founding fathers (i.e. government) that outlined and establshed rights and how the government would maintain and protect them?
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 7,081
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    No, you are wrong.  Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away.  Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges. 

    If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.
    You’re only born with an ability to suck a teat and a brain with a large potential for growth. (And some other inherited traits). If you’re on an island with others, your group would rather quickly create some form of rules and what happens when people don’t follow those rules. It occurs naturally with higher functioning animals. In large form, humans call it government. What I just said sounds really basic because what you said sounds like an adolescent caught in a power struggle.  
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 16,099
    You guys are wasting your time 
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 11,614
    unsung said:
    rgambs said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    No, you are wrong.  Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away.  Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges. 

    If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.

    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    No, you are wrong.  Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away.  Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges. 

    If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.
    No, people try to take each other's "rights" away, government is the only thing that protects you.
    You say I have no right to your labor, what if I say, "too bad, I'm taking your shit"?
    Do you think your guns protect you?  That's childishly laughable.


    I don't understand how you can fail to see how soundly your clever catch phrases get destroyed when faced with reality.  
    I am so glad the Founding Fathers didn't think this way.

    Wow, just wow.  Smh.
    Hahaha the guys who Founded the government to codify and protect disagreed with the necessity of government for codifying and protecting rights?
    :dizzy:
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,150
    unsung said:
    rgambs said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    No, you are wrong.  Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away.  Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges. 

    If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.

    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    No, you are wrong.  Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away.  Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges. 

    If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.
    No, people try to take each other's "rights" away, government is the only thing that protects you.
    You say I have no right to your labor, what if I say, "too bad, I'm taking your shit"?
    Do you think your guns protect you?  That's childishly laughable.


    I don't understand how you can fail to see how soundly your clever catch phrases get destroyed when faced with reality.  
    I am so glad the Founding Fathers didn't think this way.

    Wow, just wow.  Smh.
    I'm so glad the Founding Fathers were infallible and neither society nor the Constitution has changed or evolved in 250 years.

    Constitutional originalism is a bigger pile of horse shiat than libertarianism.  

    Just another 'philosophy' used by the myopic, evil, and ignorant to justify their abhorrent position in life.
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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,150
    unsung said:
    Define slavery.  Can you?
    Are you really trying to equate participating in a democratically governed society to slavery??  

    Are you really trying to compare any aspect of your life to slavery??

    Are you really claiming to be a slave??

    What is the matter with you??
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