Wildfire(s) Out West

cincybearcat

tempo_n_groove said:

cincybearcat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

Maybe these aren't the best areas to build communities in?  New Orleans is a great example. 

So like basically all of California isn't the best place to build communities in? They are in a 7 year drought, and counting. There was nothing wrong with these communities when they were built.

Ummm, yeah there kinda was.  Where do they get their water from?

That somewhat seems irrelevant. Just because a community depends on more distant reservoirs it doesn't mean they live in a place rendered uninhabitable due to wildfires. My point was that their communities never used to burn to the ground and there weren't constant devastating wildfires raging through the entire state basically all the time. Now there is. And that is because of their 7 year drought, and counting. Don't get me wrong - I think vast regions of California are indeed uninhabitable now, and I think anyone buying there at the point has got to be crazy. I think everyone should get the fuck out of there at this point, because I think the tipping point has been passed. California is basically done for. My point was simply that the extent of this problem did not precede the building of those communities.

Yeah but mudslides, smog, water shortages...oh and that fault line all say it's a bad place to settle. But you know...the temperatures are awesome and there's mountains and ocean so we do it anyhow!

Vancouver fires, Washington fires and Montana fires.

All of those places don't suffer the same fate as Cali except the lack of rainfall.

Wasn't talking about just fires though...neither was the original comment unless you think New Orleans has a huge problem with fires. 

Just general location then, like living near a volcano?

Yeah - human overpopulation in an area that has a lot of issues and likely shouldn't have that many people.  

PJ_Soul

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

Maybe these aren't the best areas to build communities in?  New Orleans is a great example. 

So like basically all of California isn't the best place to build communities in? They are in a 7 year drought, and counting. There was nothing wrong with these communities when they were built.

Ummm, yeah there kinda was.  Where do they get their water from?

That somewhat seems irrelevant. Just because a community depends on more distant reservoirs it doesn't mean they live in a place rendered uninhabitable due to wildfires. My point was that their communities never used to burn to the ground and there weren't constant devastating wildfires raging through the entire state basically all the time. Now there is. And that is because of their 7 year drought, and counting. Don't get me wrong - I think vast regions of California are indeed uninhabitable now, and I think anyone buying there at the point has got to be crazy. I think everyone should get the fuck out of there at this point, because I think the tipping point has been passed. California is basically done for. My point was simply that the extent of this problem did not precede the building of those communities.

Yeah but mudslides, smog, water shortages...oh and that fault line all say it's a bad place to settle. But you know...the temperatures are awesome and there's mountains and ocean so we do it anyhow!

Well okay, I really don't think it's practical to not live in any place that has any risk of any natural disaster, ever. Possible earthquakes or possible volcano eruptions are a lot different than constant, year-round wildfires, every year.

PJPOWER

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

Maybe these aren't the best areas to build communities in?  New Orleans is a great example. 

So like basically all of California isn't the best place to build communities in? They are in a 7 year drought, and counting. There was nothing wrong with these communities when they were built.

Ummm, yeah there kinda was.  Where do they get their water from?

That somewhat seems irrelevant. Just because a community depends on more distant reservoirs it doesn't mean they live in a place rendered uninhabitable due to wildfires. My point was that their communities never used to burn to the ground and there weren't constant devastating wildfires raging through the entire state basically all the time. Now there is. And that is because of their 7 year drought, and counting. Don't get me wrong - I think vast regions of California are indeed uninhabitable now, and I think anyone buying there at the point has got to be crazy. I think everyone should get the fuck out of there at this point, because I think the tipping point has been passed. California is basically done for. My point was simply that the extent of this problem did not precede the building of those communities.

Yeah but mudslides, smog, water shortages...oh and that fault line all say it's a bad place to settle. But you know...the temperatures are awesome and there's mountains and ocean so we do it anyhow!

Well okay, I really don't think it's practical to not live in any place that has any risk of any natural disaster, ever. Possible earthquakes or possible volcano eruptions are a lot different than constant, year-round wildfires, every year.

So a while back, I was giving you shit about living somewhere with such a risk of earthquakes.  That same week there was a 4.0 near where I live, lol. It didn’t really damage anything, but the fact we had just debated it made me chuckle.

PJ_Soul

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

Maybe these aren't the best areas to build communities in?  New Orleans is a great example. 

So like basically all of California isn't the best place to build communities in? They are in a 7 year drought, and counting. There was nothing wrong with these communities when they were built.

Ummm, yeah there kinda was.  Where do they get their water from?

That somewhat seems irrelevant. Just because a community depends on more distant reservoirs it doesn't mean they live in a place rendered uninhabitable due to wildfires. My point was that their communities never used to burn to the ground and there weren't constant devastating wildfires raging through the entire state basically all the time. Now there is. And that is because of their 7 year drought, and counting. Don't get me wrong - I think vast regions of California are indeed uninhabitable now, and I think anyone buying there at the point has got to be crazy. I think everyone should get the fuck out of there at this point, because I think the tipping point has been passed. California is basically done for. My point was simply that the extent of this problem did not precede the building of those communities.

Yeah but mudslides, smog, water shortages...oh and that fault line all say it's a bad place to settle. But you know...the temperatures are awesome and there's mountains and ocean so we do it anyhow!

Well okay, I really don't think it's practical to not live in any place that has any risk of any natural disaster, ever. Possible earthquakes or possible volcano eruptions are a lot different than constant, year-round wildfires, every year.

So a while back, I was giving you shit about living somewhere with such a risk of earthquakes.  That same week there was a 4.0 near where I live, lol. It didn’t really damage anything, but the fact we had just debated it made me chuckle.

I remember, lol.

Oh really? You felt it then? What are your thoughts? I personally found the two earthquakes I ever felt (no damage from either) very scary, but also very interesting.

Where do you live?

my2hands

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

I am on the UC Davis campus just a few minutes ago and witnessed a passenger in this vehicle toss out a still smoking cigarette butt.

If you can't get Californians to care about wildfires...

I know this is an old post, but... this is SUPER illegal. If anyone ever sees someone doing this in drought conditions/in fire ban areas, take down the license and report it to the cops. They won't be able to press charges unless you managed to film it happening, but they can still do a report and maybe issue a warning, and at least if the same person keeps getting reported, they can act.

it is also littering, and gross

cincybearcat

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

Maybe these aren't the best areas to build communities in?  New Orleans is a great example. 

So like basically all of California isn't the best place to build communities in? They are in a 7 year drought, and counting. There was nothing wrong with these communities when they were built.

Ummm, yeah there kinda was.  Where do they get their water from?

That somewhat seems irrelevant. Just because a community depends on more distant reservoirs it doesn't mean they live in a place rendered uninhabitable due to wildfires. My point was that their communities never used to burn to the ground and there weren't constant devastating wildfires raging through the entire state basically all the time. Now there is. And that is because of their 7 year drought, and counting. Don't get me wrong - I think vast regions of California are indeed uninhabitable now, and I think anyone buying there at the point has got to be crazy. I think everyone should get the fuck out of there at this point, because I think the tipping point has been passed. California is basically done for. My point was simply that the extent of this problem did not precede the building of those communities.

Yeah but mudslides, smog, water shortages...oh and that fault line all say it's a bad place to settle. But you know...the temperatures are awesome and there's mountains and ocean so we do it anyhow!

Well okay, I really don't think it's practical to not live in any place that has any risk of any natural disaster, ever. Possible earthquakes or possible volcano eruptions are a lot different than constant, year-round wildfires, every year.

You are right, California doesn’t have anything special about it. Yawn

Meltdown99

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

I was just on another forum and guy from the bay area said its smokey there as well?  Does that seem right?

Even BC sometimes gets smoke from California.

Are you not worried about asthma or respiratory illnesses.  Asthma sucks, Dad and sister have it.  

PJ_Soul

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

Maybe these aren't the best areas to build communities in?  New Orleans is a great example. 

So like basically all of California isn't the best place to build communities in? They are in a 7 year drought, and counting. There was nothing wrong with these communities when they were built.

Ummm, yeah there kinda was.  Where do they get their water from?

That somewhat seems irrelevant. Just because a community depends on more distant reservoirs it doesn't mean they live in a place rendered uninhabitable due to wildfires. My point was that their communities never used to burn to the ground and there weren't constant devastating wildfires raging through the entire state basically all the time. Now there is. And that is because of their 7 year drought, and counting. Don't get me wrong - I think vast regions of California are indeed uninhabitable now, and I think anyone buying there at the point has got to be crazy. I think everyone should get the fuck out of there at this point, because I think the tipping point has been passed. California is basically done for. My point was simply that the extent of this problem did not precede the building of those communities.

Yeah but mudslides, smog, water shortages...oh and that fault line all say it's a bad place to settle. But you know...the temperatures are awesome and there's mountains and ocean so we do it anyhow!

Well okay, I really don't think it's practical to not live in any place that has any risk of any natural disaster, ever. Possible earthquakes or possible volcano eruptions are a lot different than constant, year-round wildfires, every year.

You are right, California doesn’t have anything special about it. Yawn

Huh? I don't even know what you mean by this. I certainly wasn't saying that.

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

I was just on another forum and guy from the bay area said its smokey there as well?  Does that seem right?

Even BC sometimes gets smoke from California.

Are you not worried about asthma or respiratory illnesses.  Asthma sucks, Dad and sister have it.  

It's a problem for some people. I'm definitely concerned about them - it's a serious hardship for some folks (only very unpleasant for people without such issues). I don't have any issues like that personally and neither does anyone in my family.

cincybearcat

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

Maybe these aren't the best areas to build communities in?  New Orleans is a great example. 

So like basically all of California isn't the best place to build communities in? They are in a 7 year drought, and counting. There was nothing wrong with these communities when they were built.

Ummm, yeah there kinda was.  Where do they get their water from?

That somewhat seems irrelevant. Just because a community depends on more distant reservoirs it doesn't mean they live in a place rendered uninhabitable due to wildfires. My point was that their communities never used to burn to the ground and there weren't constant devastating wildfires raging through the entire state basically all the time. Now there is. And that is because of their 7 year drought, and counting. Don't get me wrong - I think vast regions of California are indeed uninhabitable now, and I think anyone buying there at the point has got to be crazy. I think everyone should get the fuck out of there at this point, because I think the tipping point has been passed. California is basically done for. My point was simply that the extent of this problem did not precede the building of those communities.

Yeah but mudslides, smog, water shortages...oh and that fault line all say it's a bad place to settle. But you know...the temperatures are awesome and there's mountains and ocean so we do it anyhow!

Well okay, I really don't think it's practical to not live in any place that has any risk of any natural disaster, ever. Possible earthquakes or possible volcano eruptions are a lot different than constant, year-round wildfires, every year.

You are right, California doesn’t have anything special about it. Yawn

Huh? I don't even know what you mean by this. I certainly wasn't saying that.

Special considerations as to why it’s not a great place to settle as heavily as we have.

PJ_Soul

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

Maybe these aren't the best areas to build communities in?  New Orleans is a great example. 

So like basically all of California isn't the best place to build communities in? They are in a 7 year drought, and counting. There was nothing wrong with these communities when they were built.

Ummm, yeah there kinda was.  Where do they get their water from?

That somewhat seems irrelevant. Just because a community depends on more distant reservoirs it doesn't mean they live in a place rendered uninhabitable due to wildfires. My point was that their communities never used to burn to the ground and there weren't constant devastating wildfires raging through the entire state basically all the time. Now there is. And that is because of their 7 year drought, and counting. Don't get me wrong - I think vast regions of California are indeed uninhabitable now, and I think anyone buying there at the point has got to be crazy. I think everyone should get the fuck out of there at this point, because I think the tipping point has been passed. California is basically done for. My point was simply that the extent of this problem did not precede the building of those communities.

Yeah but mudslides, smog, water shortages...oh and that fault line all say it's a bad place to settle. But you know...the temperatures are awesome and there's mountains and ocean so we do it anyhow!

Well okay, I really don't think it's practical to not live in any place that has any risk of any natural disaster, ever. Possible earthquakes or possible volcano eruptions are a lot different than constant, year-round wildfires, every year.

You are right, California doesn’t have anything special about it. Yawn

Huh? I don't even know what you mean by this. I certainly wasn't saying that.

Special considerations as to why it’s not a great place to settle as heavily as we have.

Huh? I'm still not really sure what you mean, lol, sorry. 

cincybearcat

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

Maybe these aren't the best areas to build communities in?  New Orleans is a great example. 

So like basically all of California isn't the best place to build communities in? They are in a 7 year drought, and counting. There was nothing wrong with these communities when they were built.

Ummm, yeah there kinda was.  Where do they get their water from?

That somewhat seems irrelevant. Just because a community depends on more distant reservoirs it doesn't mean they live in a place rendered uninhabitable due to wildfires. My point was that their communities never used to burn to the ground and there weren't constant devastating wildfires raging through the entire state basically all the time. Now there is. And that is because of their 7 year drought, and counting. Don't get me wrong - I think vast regions of California are indeed uninhabitable now, and I think anyone buying there at the point has got to be crazy. I think everyone should get the fuck out of there at this point, because I think the tipping point has been passed. California is basically done for. My point was simply that the extent of this problem did not precede the building of those communities.

Yeah but mudslides, smog, water shortages...oh and that fault line all say it's a bad place to settle. But you know...the temperatures are awesome and there's mountains and ocean so we do it anyhow!

Well okay, I really don't think it's practical to not live in any place that has any risk of any natural disaster, ever. Possible earthquakes or possible volcano eruptions are a lot different than constant, year-round wildfires, every year.

You are right, California doesn’t have anything special about it. Yawn

Huh? I don't even know what you mean by this. I certainly wasn't saying that.

Special considerations as to why it’s not a great place to settle as heavily as we have.

Huh? I'm still not really sure what you mean, lol, sorry. 

Ugh, come have a drink with me at the bar and this would be over in 30 seconds. 

Cue the obvious joke

PJ_Soul

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

Maybe these aren't the best areas to build communities in?  New Orleans is a great example. 

So like basically all of California isn't the best place to build communities in? They are in a 7 year drought, and counting. There was nothing wrong with these communities when they were built.

Ummm, yeah there kinda was.  Where do they get their water from?

That somewhat seems irrelevant. Just because a community depends on more distant reservoirs it doesn't mean they live in a place rendered uninhabitable due to wildfires. My point was that their communities never used to burn to the ground and there weren't constant devastating wildfires raging through the entire state basically all the time. Now there is. And that is because of their 7 year drought, and counting. Don't get me wrong - I think vast regions of California are indeed uninhabitable now, and I think anyone buying there at the point has got to be crazy. I think everyone should get the fuck out of there at this point, because I think the tipping point has been passed. California is basically done for. My point was simply that the extent of this problem did not precede the building of those communities.

Yeah but mudslides, smog, water shortages...oh and that fault line all say it's a bad place to settle. But you know...the temperatures are awesome and there's mountains and ocean so we do it anyhow!

Well okay, I really don't think it's practical to not live in any place that has any risk of any natural disaster, ever. Possible earthquakes or possible volcano eruptions are a lot different than constant, year-round wildfires, every year.

You are right, California doesn’t have anything special about it. Yawn

Huh? I don't even know what you mean by this. I certainly wasn't saying that.

Special considerations as to why it’s not a great place to settle as heavily as we have.

Huh? I'm still not really sure what you mean, lol, sorry. 

Ugh, come have a drink with me at the bar and this would be over in 30 seconds. 

Cue the obvious joke

I tried to cue the obvious joke in gif form, but they were all too inappropriate.

cincybearcat

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

Maybe these aren't the best areas to build communities in?  New Orleans is a great example. 

So like basically all of California isn't the best place to build communities in? They are in a 7 year drought, and counting. There was nothing wrong with these communities when they were built.

Ummm, yeah there kinda was.  Where do they get their water from?

That somewhat seems irrelevant. Just because a community depends on more distant reservoirs it doesn't mean they live in a place rendered uninhabitable due to wildfires. My point was that their communities never used to burn to the ground and there weren't constant devastating wildfires raging through the entire state basically all the time. Now there is. And that is because of their 7 year drought, and counting. Don't get me wrong - I think vast regions of California are indeed uninhabitable now, and I think anyone buying there at the point has got to be crazy. I think everyone should get the fuck out of there at this point, because I think the tipping point has been passed. California is basically done for. My point was simply that the extent of this problem did not precede the building of those communities.

Yeah but mudslides, smog, water shortages...oh and that fault line all say it's a bad place to settle. But you know...the temperatures are awesome and there's mountains and ocean so we do it anyhow!

Well okay, I really don't think it's practical to not live in any place that has any risk of any natural disaster, ever. Possible earthquakes or possible volcano eruptions are a lot different than constant, year-round wildfires, every year.

You are right, California doesn’t have anything special about it. Yawn

Huh? I don't even know what you mean by this. I certainly wasn't saying that.

Special considerations as to why it’s not a great place to settle as heavily as we have.

Huh? I'm still not really sure what you mean, lol, sorry. 

Ugh, come have a drink with me at the bar and this would be over in 30 seconds. 

Cue the obvious joke

I tried to cue the obvious joke in gif form, but they were all too inappropriate.

I wrote my answer and then thought...hmmmm...so I had to add the next to avoid someone jumping the gun on me!

PJPOWER

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

Maybe these aren't the best areas to build communities in?  New Orleans is a great example. 

So like basically all of California isn't the best place to build communities in? They are in a 7 year drought, and counting. There was nothing wrong with these communities when they were built.

Ummm, yeah there kinda was.  Where do they get their water from?

That somewhat seems irrelevant. Just because a community depends on more distant reservoirs it doesn't mean they live in a place rendered uninhabitable due to wildfires. My point was that their communities never used to burn to the ground and there weren't constant devastating wildfires raging through the entire state basically all the time. Now there is. And that is because of their 7 year drought, and counting. Don't get me wrong - I think vast regions of California are indeed uninhabitable now, and I think anyone buying there at the point has got to be crazy. I think everyone should get the fuck out of there at this point, because I think the tipping point has been passed. California is basically done for. My point was simply that the extent of this problem did not precede the building of those communities.

Yeah but mudslides, smog, water shortages...oh and that fault line all say it's a bad place to settle. But you know...the temperatures are awesome and there's mountains and ocean so we do it anyhow!

Well okay, I really don't think it's practical to not live in any place that has any risk of any natural disaster, ever. Possible earthquakes or possible volcano eruptions are a lot different than constant, year-round wildfires, every year.

So a while back, I was giving you shit about living somewhere with such a risk of earthquakes.  That same week there was a 4.0 near where I live, lol. It didn’t really damage anything, but the fact we had just debated it made me chuckle.

I remember, lol.

Oh really? You felt it then? What are your thoughts? I personally found the two earthquakes I ever felt (no damage from either) very scary, but also very interesting.

Where do you live?

In the TX panhandle.  We actually didn’t feel a thing at our house.  I was a bit disappointed at first, but then realized that was probably a good thing.  Some people had new cracks in their ceilings.  I always worry driving over bridges after earthquakes, especially since so many are found to be deficient these days.

brianlux

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

Maybe these aren't the best areas to build communities in?  New Orleans is a great example. 

So like basically all of California isn't the best place to build communities in? They are in a 7 year drought, and counting. There was nothing wrong with these communities when they were built.

Ummm, yeah there kinda was.  Where do they get their water from?

You can't seriously be arguing that california can hold the number of people it does safely?  I mean, this issue seems to be pretty obvious.

I agree, Cincy.

California is definitely what an ecologist would refer to as "beyond carrying capacity".    When I was born here in 1951, the state had  a population of a little over 11 million people.  Raymond Dasmann would not publish his essential The Destruction of California for another 14 years.  The state now has a population of close to 40 million people. 

Oh, and just down the hill, in the very arid town known as Folsom (yes, as is Folsom Prison) the idiot developers are building 10,000 new homes right this very minute with another 30,000 to follow.

We are screwed.  I did not reproduce.  I feel ripped off by humanity.

Meltdown99

brianlux said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

Maybe these aren't the best areas to build communities in?  New Orleans is a great example. 

So like basically all of California isn't the best place to build communities in? They are in a 7 year drought, and counting. There was nothing wrong with these communities when they were built.

Ummm, yeah there kinda was.  Where do they get their water from?

You can't seriously be arguing that california can hold the number of people it does safely?  I mean, this issue seems to be pretty obvious.

I agree, Cincy.

California is definitely what an ecologist would refer to as "beyond carrying capacity".    When I was born here in 1951, the state had  a population of a little over 11 million people.  Raymond Dasmann would not publish his essential The Destruction of California for another 14 years.  The state now has a population of close to 40 million people. 

Oh, and just down the hill, in the very arid town known as Folsom (yes, as is Folsom Prison) the idiot developers are building 10,000 new homes right this very minute with another 30,000 to follow.

We are screwed.  I did not reproduce.  I feel ripped off by humanity.

You really need to talk to the governor about that position of California's Official Unwelcome Officer.  11 million to 40 million, it won't be long before you hit 50 million.  I live in Ontario, a population of 12-13 million and I bitch about the congestion ... and there is a lot of development going on here.  People with 2 kids are building 1/2 million dollar cement palaces, for no other reason, other than they can.

Meltdown99

Foo Fighters’ Dave Grohl cooks BBQ for LA firefighters battling California wildfires
https://consequenceofsound.net/2018/11/dave-grohl-bbq-firefighters/?fbclid=IwAR03fz8LMfekIExN_vVXnkDGoq76E5KL3xgg0zaj5j1dUdG1w-0hwtaSqeE

brianlux

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

bootlegger10 said:

Maybe these aren't the best areas to build communities in?  New Orleans is a great example. 

So like basically all of California isn't the best place to build communities in? They are in a 7 year drought, and counting. There was nothing wrong with these communities when they were built.

Ummm, yeah there kinda was.  Where do they get their water from?

You can't seriously be arguing that california can hold the number of people it does safely?  I mean, this issue seems to be pretty obvious.

I agree, Cincy.

California is definitely what an ecologist would refer to as "beyond carrying capacity".    When I was born here in 1951, the state had  a population of a little over 11 million people.  Raymond Dasmann would not publish his essential The Destruction of California for another 14 years.  The state now has a population of close to 40 million people. 

Oh, and just down the hill, in the very arid town known as Folsom (yes, as is Folsom Prison) the idiot developers are building 10,000 new homes right this very minute with another 30,000 to follow.

We are screwed.  I did not reproduce.  I feel ripped off by humanity.

You really need to talk to the governor about that position of California's Official Unwelcome Officer.  11 million to 40 million, it won't be long before you hit 50 million.  I live in Ontario, a population of 12-13 million and I bitch about the congestion ... and there is a lot of development going on here.  People with 2 kids are building 1/2 million dollar cement palaces, for no other reason, other than they can.

"California's Official Unwelcome Officer"  

aka "The Official State Curmudgeon"

But seriously, I've never given out-of-state folks a bad time.  Some of my favorite Californian's are from out of state... my wife (although she has been here since she was in grade school), Neil Young, some of my local friends, etc., etc.  No, I just give the 'em the facts and let them decide what to do. 

brianlux

Meltdown99 said:

Foo Fighters’ Dave Grohl cooks BBQ for LA firefighters battling California wildfires
https://consequenceofsound.net/2018/11/dave-grohl-bbq-firefighters/?fbclid=IwAR03fz8LMfekIExN_vVXnkDGoq76E5KL3xgg0zaj5j1dUdG1w-0hwtaSqeE

I love the spirit in which Grohl made this gesture but, really, Dave?  BBQ?  Smoked meat in the midst of a town that has more smoke in the air than is healthy already?  Thanks but maybe potato salad and sandwiches or something un-smokey!