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We better be able to and we better do it soon.brianlux said:Seriously friends, wouldn't you agree that we could do better than Trump, Clinton, Sanders and Stein? Couldn't we? Good gawd I hope so.hippiemom = goodness0 -
I won't read it, mostly because I don;t waste my time with sleaze....and football season is starting! I disagree that she would have been a good president but, she wouldn't have been as bad as the one we got! Clinton wasn't exactly a uniter...hell, she even found a way to divide her own party and lose to Trump.Kat said:I hope it's a good read; I'm looking forward to reading it. She's had time to analyze the events.
She would have made a very good president, much better than what we have now....a president who divides us worse than we are.
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https://www.google.com/search?q=Hillary+billionaires&oq=Hillary+billionairesGo Beavers said:
He ran in the past and the idiot has been a household name for years. Bullies are opportunists, and 2016 provided a good opportunity since the Republicans were rudderless and had no platform.JC29856 said:
anyone ever stop to ask, of all the talk of Trump running pres since he became a household name, why he chose this particular election to run? at age 72 or however old he is. just dumb luck I guess, maybe it's all about his tv network aspirations, or simply Putin told him to do so.brianlux said:^^^ I agree with everything Jimmy said.
The last presidential election was a mess. We had no one who truly inspired with leadership potential and because of that added up enough protest votes such that we ended up electing a clown. And if you are not a strong enough candidate to beat a clown in an election, you are probably not going to make a good (let alone a great) president.
Please, America, give us better choices in 2020!
Putin had such a miserable relationship with Clinton and Co(uranium1)(toni podesta)
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Sadly, we will have to choose between the lesser of evils again, I just hope people recognise that Trump needs to be defeated at whatever cost.brianlux said:^^^ I agree with everything Jimmy said.
The last presidential election was a mess. We had no one who truly inspired with leadership potential and because of that added up enough protest votes such that we ended up electing a clown. And if you are not a strong enough candidate to beat a clown in an election, you are probably not going to make a good (let alone a great) president.
Please, America, give us better choices in 2020!Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
It baffles me that anyone voted for Hillary or Donald. Two awful candidates. Just bad character all the way around. 2012 was a battle of two great men. 2016 was a battle of 2 of the worst people possible. Donald trump won because he campaigned. He showed more interest. All my folks up in Alaska voted for him because he actually mentioned them. Hillary seemed disinterested. One clown won over the other.0
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2 horrible candidates, agreed. But after 7 months of this, I can't believe rational people still think this way.riley540 said:It baffles me that anyone voted for Hillary or Donald. Two awful candidates. Just bad character all the way around. 2012 was a battle of two great men. 2016 was a battle of 2 of the worst people possible. Donald trump won because he campaigned. He showed more interest. All my folks up in Alaska voted for him because he actually mentioned them. Hillary seemed disinterested. One clown won over the other.
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My vote still would've gone to the inanimate carbon rod.riley540 said:It baffles me that anyone voted for Hillary or Donald. Two awful candidates. Just bad character all the way around. 2012 was a battle of two great men. 2016 was a battle of 2 of the worst people possible. Donald trump won because he campaigned. He showed more interest. All my folks up in Alaska voted for him because he actually mentioned them. Hillary seemed disinterested. One clown won over the other.
Jokes aside, it baffles me that even a moderately-educated nation could not understand the tremendous risk associated with Trump which far surpasses the risk associated with Clinton. I don't care what the upside potential is: in business this would be a CLM, but Trump's win - earned by the people - is an NLM.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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The further we get from the election and the crazier Trump shows himself to be, the easier it is to forget how inevitable so many of us deep down believed Hillary to be. Everyone needs to own their vote - everyone - but not voting for a Democratic candidate you didn't like or trust was easier when you thought the election was already decided.
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very good point. I always wonder who feels worse the remorseful trump voter or the Democrat that stayed home?JimmyV said:The further we get from the election and the crazier Trump shows himself to be, the easier it is to forget how inevitable so many of us deep down believed Hillary to be. Everyone needs to own their vote - everyone - but not voting for a Democratic candidate you didn't like or trust was easier when you thought the election was already decided.0 -
The Trump voter should feel at least twice as responsible for Trump's victory as non/third-party voters, as they had twice the impact as non/third-party voters (could've decreased Trump's vote count by one and also could've increased Clinton's vote count by one).JC29856 said:
very good point. I always wonder who feels worse the remorseful trump voter or the Democrat that stayed home?JimmyV said:The further we get from the election and the crazier Trump shows himself to be, the easier it is to forget how inevitable so many of us deep down believed Hillary to be. Everyone needs to own their vote - everyone - but not voting for a Democratic candidate you didn't like or trust was easier when you thought the election was already decided.
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and the responsibility felt by the Democrat that stayed home versus non/third party voter?benjs said:
The Trump voter should feel at least twice as responsible for Trump's victory as non/third-party voters, as they had twice the impact as non/third-party voters (could've decreased Trump's vote count by one and also could've increased Clinton's vote count by one).JC29856 said:
very good point. I always wonder who feels worse the remorseful trump voter or the Democrat that stayed home?JimmyV said:The further we get from the election and the crazier Trump shows himself to be, the easier it is to forget how inevitable so many of us deep down believed Hillary to be. Everyone needs to own their vote - everyone - but not voting for a Democratic candidate you didn't like or trust was easier when you thought the election was already decided.
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The Trump voter 'should' feel like a complete moron. Let's get serious about this.benjs said:
The Trump voter should feel at least twice as responsible for Trump's victory as non/third-party voters, as they had twice the impact as non/third-party voters (could've decreased Trump's vote count by one and also could've increased Clinton's vote count by one).JC29856 said:
very good point. I always wonder who feels worse the remorseful trump voter or the Democrat that stayed home?JimmyV said:The further we get from the election and the crazier Trump shows himself to be, the easier it is to forget how inevitable so many of us deep down believed Hillary to be. Everyone needs to own their vote - everyone - but not voting for a Democratic candidate you didn't like or trust was easier when you thought the election was already decided.
I've done some damn stupid things in my life as well. But, upon recognizing my stupidity... I said, "Holy shit. What a freaking idiot I am." Then I took the steps to repair my stupidity. People defending Trump after voting for him have not gone through the process of identifying their mistake and atoning for their error. They are still in the stupid phase."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
And are likely to stay in the stupid phase. That's his base.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
The Trump voter 'should' feel like a complete moron. Let's get serious about this.benjs said:
The Trump voter should feel at least twice as responsible for Trump's victory as non/third-party voters, as they had twice the impact as non/third-party voters (could've decreased Trump's vote count by one and also could've increased Clinton's vote count by one).JC29856 said:
very good point. I always wonder who feels worse the remorseful trump voter or the Democrat that stayed home?JimmyV said:The further we get from the election and the crazier Trump shows himself to be, the easier it is to forget how inevitable so many of us deep down believed Hillary to be. Everyone needs to own their vote - everyone - but not voting for a Democratic candidate you didn't like or trust was easier when you thought the election was already decided.
I've done some damn stupid things in my life as well. But, upon recognizing my stupidity... I said, "Holy shit. What a freaking idiot I am." Then I took the steps to repair my stupidity. People defending Trump after voting for him have not gone through the process of identifying their mistake and atoning for their error. They are still in the stupid phase.
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more deductions.. atoning? the DNC and Hilliary cheating voters?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
The Trump voter 'should' feel like a complete moron. Let's get serious about this.benjs said:
The Trump voter should feel at least twice as responsible for Trump's victory as non/third-party voters, as they had twice the impact as non/third-party voters (could've decreased Trump's vote count by one and also could've increased Clinton's vote count by one).JC29856 said:
very good point. I always wonder who feels worse the remorseful trump voter or the Democrat that stayed home?JimmyV said:The further we get from the election and the crazier Trump shows himself to be, the easier it is to forget how inevitable so many of us deep down believed Hillary to be. Everyone needs to own their vote - everyone - but not voting for a Democratic candidate you didn't like or trust was easier when you thought the election was already decided.
I've done some damn stupid things in my life as well. But, upon recognizing my stupidity... I said, "Holy shit. What a freaking idiot I am." Then I took the steps to repair my stupidity. People defending Trump after voting for him have not gone through the process of identifying their mistake and atoning for their error. They are still in the stupid phase.
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I'm not sure what you're saying, as you shouldn't need to deduce whatsoever. There were four types of vote-eligible citizens at the time of the election:JC29856 said:
and the responsibility felt by the Democrat that stayed home versus non/third party voter?benjs said:
The Trump voter should feel at least twice as responsible for Trump's victory as non/third-party voters, as they had twice the impact as non/third-party voters (could've decreased Trump's vote count by one and also could've increased Clinton's vote count by one).JC29856 said:
very good point. I always wonder who feels worse the remorseful trump voter or the Democrat that stayed home?JimmyV said:The further we get from the election and the crazier Trump shows himself to be, the easier it is to forget how inevitable so many of us deep down believed Hillary to be. Everyone needs to own their vote - everyone - but not voting for a Democratic candidate you didn't like or trust was easier when you thought the election was already decided.
I'll deduce from there
1. Trump voters (ones who voted for Trump)
2. Clinton voters (ones who voted for Clinton)
3. Third-party voters (ones who voted for third-party candidates)
4. Non-voters (ones who did not vote)
As I said,
1. Trump voters increased Trump's count by one, could have increased Clinton's count by one. They could have lessened the Clinton-Trump gap by two votes by deciding to vote Clinton.
2. Clinton voters did everything they could in a vote in a duopoly to prevent Trump.
3. Third-party voters increased third-party votes by one (which amounted to a negligible sum compared to R/D), could have increased Clinton's count by one. They could have lessened the Clinton-Trump gap by one vote by deciding to vote Clinton.
4. Non-voters could have increased Clinton's count by one. They could have lessened the Clinton-Trump gap by one vote by deciding to vote Clinton.
This is not complicated. Save for America unanimously deciding to break Party ties and vote their collective consciences, Trump's only viable competitor was Clinton. Therefore, a vote for someone other than Trump or Clinton cost Clinton one potential gap-lessening vote, and a vote for Trump cost Clinton two potential gap-lessening votes.
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I don't like having to do this but the question or wonder was about the trump voter vs the Democrat that stayed home. your answer trump voter vs non/third party voter.benjs said:
I'm not sure what you're saying, as you shouldn't need to deduce whatsoever. There were four types of vote-eligible citizens at the time of the election:JC29856 said:
and the responsibility felt by the Democrat that stayed home versus non/third party voter?benjs said:
The Trump voter should feel at least twice as responsible for Trump's victory as non/third-party voters, as they had twice the impact as non/third-party voters (could've decreased Trump's vote count by one and also could've increased Clinton's vote count by one).JC29856 said:
very good point. I always wonder who feels worse the remorseful trump voter or the Democrat that stayed home?JimmyV said:The further we get from the election and the crazier Trump shows himself to be, the easier it is to forget how inevitable so many of us deep down believed Hillary to be. Everyone needs to own their vote - everyone - but not voting for a Democratic candidate you didn't like or trust was easier when you thought the election was already decided.
I'll deduce from there
1. Trump voters (ones who voted for Trump)
2. Clinton voters (ones who voted for Clinton)
3. Third-party voters (ones who voted for third-party candidates)
4. Non-voters (ones who did not vote)
As I said,
1. Trump voters increased Trump's count by one, could have increased Clinton's count by one. They could have lessened the Clinton-Trump gap by two votes by deciding to vote Clinton.
2. Clinton voters did everything they could in a vote in a duopoly to prevent Trump.
3. Third-party voters increased third-party votes by one (which amounted to a negligible sum compared to R/D), could have increased Clinton's count by one. They could have lessened the Clinton-Trump gap by one vote by deciding to vote Clinton.
4. Non-voters could have increased Clinton's count by one. They could have lessened the Clinton-Trump gap by one vote by deciding to vote Clinton.
This is not complicated. Save for America unanimously deciding to break Party ties and vote their collective consciences, Trump's only viable competitor was Clinton. Therefore, a vote for someone other than Trump or Clinton cost Clinton one potential gap-lessening vote, and a vote for Trump cost Clinton two potential gap-lessening votes.
Whatabout the estimated 12,000,000 registered democrats that voted trump!
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It's a shame, America wasn't ready and the heads that run the country in the background were not ready either. I feel she would definitely be better than Trump. A lot of the country is angry, offended, confused, ashamed and who knows what else every time he speaks. I don't think you would have such division, but no one knows as she was not elected.
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interesting read
http://ijr.com/the-response/2017/08/958100-smoking-gun-bernie-sanderss-fault-trump-got-elected/But still, didn't Sanders do everything he could to get his supporters not to vote for Trump? Some of those third-party votes and sit-outs may be on him, but why would a Sanders voter ever think it was OK to vote for Trump?
democrats: it's always someone else's fault. Sanders should have done more to help Hilliary get elected!
Bernie backers probably didn't like being cheated and lied to. if they voted trump to teach democrats a lesson, it was for naught. democrats refuse to be honest with themselves.
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Phil Collins drum kits are getting in the way of feeling it in the air tonight, oh lord.JC29856 said:
are you asking for my quote posts about Bernie? it didn't work out well for the last guy that asked for non-whiteness quote posts....Halifax2TheMax said:
What was wrong? That she cheated? Or that the party machination chose a democrat over a socialist? Typical Bernie Bro feeling the Bern. And hey, trump's an idiot but lets justify his presidency.JC29856 said:
typical centrist math 1wrong + 1wrong = rightHalifax2TheMax said:
Because cheating has never happened before in politics? Ever? You know whats never happened? A presidential campaign for POTUS colluding with a hostile foreign power to influence an election outcome. That's what has never happened before until Trump came along.JC29856 said:
Some are okay with being cheated, some are not.benjs said:
I honestly don't know what your point is. Is there a single person who belongs to (or even knows about the existence of) the DNC that don't know that from the get-go, Clinton was preferred by party officials? This isn't news - it's been assumed and/or known for at least two years.JC29856 said:then this...
The 2016 presidential campaign of Hillary Rodham Clinton was announced in a YouTube video, on April 12, 2015.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_presidential_campaign,_2016
Maybe you haven"t read Section 4 of the DNC by-laws?
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2989759-Impartiality-Clause-DNC-Charter-Bylaws-Art-5-Sec-4.html
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