Hillary Clinton: What happened
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Probably group think is a better way to descibe it. Blind Clinton hate started in the late 90's and was maintained. This carries over into irrational Hillary hate, where somehow corrupt Hillary was more corrupt than trump (not to mention all his other vile traits). When asked to compare the two, there was a lot of parroted maximizing Clinton's negatives and minimizing trump's. Now when I'm critical of trump, I'm "butthurt" about her losing, because there's no real way to actually defend the guy.JC29856 said:
brainwashed is a new onePJ_Soul said:
This is what I don't get. For the life of me, and being pretty damn well-informed and as someone who was not a Clinton supporter, I can't figure out how in the fuck anyone in their right mind could possibly consider Clinton to be a worse option than Trump. I sincerely feel like Americans were brainwashed into hating Clinton as much as they do.cincybearcat said:Seriously, this is an interesting topic but can be summed up very quickly:
How to lose to the 2nd most beatable person to ever run for president?
Be the most beatable person to ever run for president.
I'm sure she will find many outside factors, etc that contributed. But the bottom line is people....in her own party...don't like her very much. They don't trust her very much. Now ... the Donald is certainly less likeable and has proven to be less trustworthy of course to the average US Citizen. The problem is the average US citizen doesn't vote anymore. Mostly the fringe of each party and Hillary failed to excite the Dems fringe. So they stayed home while the Donald excited a lot of the fringe of the Republicans. I can't believe there needs to be a book about it. Of course unless the book is merely a cash grab and something to for Hills to shower the blame on other than herself in order to protect her bigly ego.
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Do the publishers want to know what happened or does Hillary?0
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Start by asking how did a magazine have this ready to go?
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if you'll notice the title, it's not "what happened?", it's "what happened", as in, This Is What Happened.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:Do the publishers want to know what happened or does Hillary?Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
all major publications do that. not unlike having championship hats/shirts/etc ready to go for both teams in the final.PJfanwillneverleave1 said:Start by asking how did a magazine have this ready to go?Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
They can't explain why they hate her so much. I have asked many and they can never articulate it.Go Beavers said:
Probably group think is a better way to descibe it. Blind Clinton hate started in the late 90's and was maintained. This carries over into irrational Hillary hate, where somehow corrupt Hillary was more corrupt than trump (not to mention all his other vile traits). When asked to compare the two, there was a lot of parroted maximizing Clinton's negatives and minimizing trump's. Now when I'm critical of trump, I'm "butthurt" about her losing, because there's no real way to actually defend the guy.JC29856 said:
brainwashed is a new onePJ_Soul said:
This is what I don't get. For the life of me, and being pretty damn well-informed and as someone who was not a Clinton supporter, I can't figure out how in the fuck anyone in their right mind could possibly consider Clinton to be a worse option than Trump. I sincerely feel like Americans were brainwashed into hating Clinton as much as they do.cincybearcat said:Seriously, this is an interesting topic but can be summed up very quickly:
How to lose to the 2nd most beatable person to ever run for president?
Be the most beatable person to ever run for president.
I'm sure she will find many outside factors, etc that contributed. But the bottom line is people....in her own party...don't like her very much. They don't trust her very much. Now ... the Donald is certainly less likeable and has proven to be less trustworthy of course to the average US Citizen. The problem is the average US citizen doesn't vote anymore. Mostly the fringe of each party and Hillary failed to excite the Dems fringe. So they stayed home while the Donald excited a lot of the fringe of the Republicans. I can't believe there needs to be a book about it. Of course unless the book is merely a cash grab and something to for Hills to shower the blame on other than herself in order to protect her bigly ego.
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PJ_Soul said:
This is what I don't get. For the life of me, and being pretty damn well-informed and as someone who was not a Clinton supporter, I can't figure out how in the fuck anyone in their right mind could possibly consider Clinton to be a worse option than Trump. I sincerely feel like Americans were brainwashed into hating Clinton as much as they do.cincybearcat said:Seriously, this is an interesting topic but can be summed up very quickly:
How to lose to the 2nd most beatable person to ever run for president?
Be the most beatable person to ever run for president.
I'm sure she will find many outside factors, etc that contributed. But the bottom line is people....in her own party...don't like her very much. They don't trust her very much. Now ... the Donald is certainly less likeable and has proven to be less trustworthy of course to the average US Citizen. The problem is the average US citizen doesn't vote anymore. Mostly the fringe of each party and Hillary failed to excite the Dems fringe. So they stayed home while the Donald excited a lot of the fringe of the Republicans. I can't believe there needs to be a book about it. Of course unless the book is merely a cash grab and something to for Hills to shower the blame on other than herself in order to protect her bigly ego.
I know libs hate this, but you seem to forget/downplay that this is a woman who was supposed to stand for women, then when she had her moment, she bashed her husband's victims. How does the left reconcile that? I guess they would have done the same... One is talk. The other is action. Interesting. Oh, I know - old news.Maybe, the left isn't as smart as they consistently tell us they are.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.0 -
https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/08/29/data-manipulators-team-clinton-still-blaming-sanders-for-trump/
The Cooperative Congressional Election Study found that 12 percent of voters who voted for Bernie Sanders in the Democratic Primaries voted for Donald Trump in the General election
Hillary Clinton’s favor is that in 2008, 25 percent of Democratic Primary voters who voted for Clinton went on to vote for John McCain in the general election and 30 percent of Clinton voters in the primary didn’t vote for Obama in general. A March 2008 Gallup poll found that 28 percent of Clinton voters would support McCain against Obama. This context was omitted or buried on the bottom of several reports on the new 2016 election data because it destroys the narrative that Bernie Sanders Supporters are at fault for Hillary Clinton’s own loss.
The DNC and Clinton Campaign even developed a “pied-piper” strategy to elevate Trump’s candidacy as Clinton polled better against him than any of the Moderate establishment Republican Presidential Candidates like John Kasich and Marco Rubio.
Clinton lost to a widely unpopular Republican Presidential Candidate, while severely under performing in several states compared to Obama in 2012. The Clinton Campaign did nothing to generate excitement and enthusiasm to boost voter turnout besides relying on anti-Trump rhetoric, even avoiding appearances in many states to try to perpetuate the narrative that Clinton won the election before any voted.
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You're supporting pjsoul's point. That's how you're countering trump, someone accused of sexual assault and admitted to sexually assaulting women. You're playing up a Clinton negative.EdsonNascimento said:PJ_Soul said:
This is what I don't get. For the life of me, and being pretty damn well-informed and as someone who was not a Clinton supporter, I can't figure out how in the fuck anyone in their right mind could possibly consider Clinton to be a worse option than Trump. I sincerely feel like Americans were brainwashed into hating Clinton as much as they do.cincybearcat said:Seriously, this is an interesting topic but can be summed up very quickly:
How to lose to the 2nd most beatable person to ever run for president?
Be the most beatable person to ever run for president.
I'm sure she will find many outside factors, etc that contributed. But the bottom line is people....in her own party...don't like her very much. They don't trust her very much. Now ... the Donald is certainly less likeable and has proven to be less trustworthy of course to the average US Citizen. The problem is the average US citizen doesn't vote anymore. Mostly the fringe of each party and Hillary failed to excite the Dems fringe. So they stayed home while the Donald excited a lot of the fringe of the Republicans. I can't believe there needs to be a book about it. Of course unless the book is merely a cash grab and something to for Hills to shower the blame on other than herself in order to protect her bigly ego.
I know libs hate this, but you seem to forget/downplay that this is a woman who was supposed to stand for women, then when she had her moment, she bashed her husband's victims. How does the left reconcile that? I guess they would have done the same... One is talk. The other is action. Interesting. Oh, I know - old news.Maybe, the left isn't as smart as they consistently tell us they are.
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where does an entire group consisting of millions and millions of people "consistently tell us they are" smarter than everyone else? what a ridiculous and ignorant statement.EdsonNascimento said:PJ_Soul said:
This is what I don't get. For the life of me, and being pretty damn well-informed and as someone who was not a Clinton supporter, I can't figure out how in the fuck anyone in their right mind could possibly consider Clinton to be a worse option than Trump. I sincerely feel like Americans were brainwashed into hating Clinton as much as they do.cincybearcat said:Seriously, this is an interesting topic but can be summed up very quickly:
How to lose to the 2nd most beatable person to ever run for president?
Be the most beatable person to ever run for president.
I'm sure she will find many outside factors, etc that contributed. But the bottom line is people....in her own party...don't like her very much. They don't trust her very much. Now ... the Donald is certainly less likeable and has proven to be less trustworthy of course to the average US Citizen. The problem is the average US citizen doesn't vote anymore. Mostly the fringe of each party and Hillary failed to excite the Dems fringe. So they stayed home while the Donald excited a lot of the fringe of the Republicans. I can't believe there needs to be a book about it. Of course unless the book is merely a cash grab and something to for Hills to shower the blame on other than herself in order to protect her bigly ego.
I know libs hate this, but you seem to forget/downplay that this is a woman who was supposed to stand for women, then when she had her moment, she bashed her husband's victims. How does the left reconcile that? I guess they would have done the same... One is talk. The other is action. Interesting. Oh, I know - old news.Maybe, the left isn't as smart as they consistently tell us they are.
she bashed "her husband's victims" because it was a political tool where Trump was exploiting the situation. the timing was just a tad more than suspect.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
Go Beavers said:
You're supporting pjsoul's point. That's how you're countering trump, someone accused of sexual assault and admitted to sexually assaulting women. You're playing up a Clinton negative.EdsonNascimento said:PJ_Soul said:
This is what I don't get. For the life of me, and being pretty damn well-informed and as someone who was not a Clinton supporter, I can't figure out how in the fuck anyone in their right mind could possibly consider Clinton to be a worse option than Trump. I sincerely feel like Americans were brainwashed into hating Clinton as much as they do.cincybearcat said:Seriously, this is an interesting topic but can be summed up very quickly:
How to lose to the 2nd most beatable person to ever run for president?
Be the most beatable person to ever run for president.
I'm sure she will find many outside factors, etc that contributed. But the bottom line is people....in her own party...don't like her very much. They don't trust her very much. Now ... the Donald is certainly less likeable and has proven to be less trustworthy of course to the average US Citizen. The problem is the average US citizen doesn't vote anymore. Mostly the fringe of each party and Hillary failed to excite the Dems fringe. So they stayed home while the Donald excited a lot of the fringe of the Republicans. I can't believe there needs to be a book about it. Of course unless the book is merely a cash grab and something to for Hills to shower the blame on other than herself in order to protect her bigly ego.
I know libs hate this, but you seem to forget/downplay that this is a woman who was supposed to stand for women, then when she had her moment, she bashed her husband's victims. How does the left reconcile that? I guess they would have done the same... One is talk. The other is action. Interesting. Oh, I know - old news.Maybe, the left isn't as smart as they consistently tell us they are.
I am just responding to how people can view one as worse than the other. If you don't see how the action speaks louder than the words to some people, then you are making the same mistake Clinton and her party made and continue to make.
Everyone else is stupid and thinking any different than them is a ridiculous thing.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:
where does an entire group consisting of millions and millions of people "consistently tell us they are" smarter than everyone else? what a ridiculous and ignorant statement.EdsonNascimento said:PJ_Soul said:
This is what I don't get. For the life of me, and being pretty damn well-informed and as someone who was not a Clinton supporter, I can't figure out how in the fuck anyone in their right mind could possibly consider Clinton to be a worse option than Trump. I sincerely feel like Americans were brainwashed into hating Clinton as much as they do.cincybearcat said:Seriously, this is an interesting topic but can be summed up very quickly:
How to lose to the 2nd most beatable person to ever run for president?
Be the most beatable person to ever run for president.
I'm sure she will find many outside factors, etc that contributed. But the bottom line is people....in her own party...don't like her very much. They don't trust her very much. Now ... the Donald is certainly less likeable and has proven to be less trustworthy of course to the average US Citizen. The problem is the average US citizen doesn't vote anymore. Mostly the fringe of each party and Hillary failed to excite the Dems fringe. So they stayed home while the Donald excited a lot of the fringe of the Republicans. I can't believe there needs to be a book about it. Of course unless the book is merely a cash grab and something to for Hills to shower the blame on other than herself in order to protect her bigly ego.
I know libs hate this, but you seem to forget/downplay that this is a woman who was supposed to stand for women, then when she had her moment, she bashed her husband's victims. How does the left reconcile that? I guess they would have done the same... One is talk. The other is action. Interesting. Oh, I know - old news.Maybe, the left isn't as smart as they consistently tell us they are.
she bashed "her husband's victims" because it was a political tool where Trump was exploiting the situation. the timing was just a tad more than suspect.
I'm not sure what the 2nd part alludes to as I came to the exchange late, so there may be a point there separate from the one I was trying to make.To your first point - watch Bill Maher or Keith Olberman for 15 seconds, and you'll understand.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.0 -
pfft. those two blowhards are what you call representatives of the left? gimme a break.EdsonNascimento said:HughFreakingDillon said:
where does an entire group consisting of millions and millions of people "consistently tell us they are" smarter than everyone else? what a ridiculous and ignorant statement.EdsonNascimento said:PJ_Soul said:
This is what I don't get. For the life of me, and being pretty damn well-informed and as someone who was not a Clinton supporter, I can't figure out how in the fuck anyone in their right mind could possibly consider Clinton to be a worse option than Trump. I sincerely feel like Americans were brainwashed into hating Clinton as much as they do.cincybearcat said:Seriously, this is an interesting topic but can be summed up very quickly:
How to lose to the 2nd most beatable person to ever run for president?
Be the most beatable person to ever run for president.
I'm sure she will find many outside factors, etc that contributed. But the bottom line is people....in her own party...don't like her very much. They don't trust her very much. Now ... the Donald is certainly less likeable and has proven to be less trustworthy of course to the average US Citizen. The problem is the average US citizen doesn't vote anymore. Mostly the fringe of each party and Hillary failed to excite the Dems fringe. So they stayed home while the Donald excited a lot of the fringe of the Republicans. I can't believe there needs to be a book about it. Of course unless the book is merely a cash grab and something to for Hills to shower the blame on other than herself in order to protect her bigly ego.
I know libs hate this, but you seem to forget/downplay that this is a woman who was supposed to stand for women, then when she had her moment, she bashed her husband's victims. How does the left reconcile that? I guess they would have done the same... One is talk. The other is action. Interesting. Oh, I know - old news.Maybe, the left isn't as smart as they consistently tell us they are.
she bashed "her husband's victims" because it was a political tool where Trump was exploiting the situation. the timing was just a tad more than suspect.
I'm not sure what the 2nd part alludes to as I came to the exchange late, so there may be a point there separate from the one I was trying to make.To your first point - watch Bill Maher or Keith Olberman for 15 seconds, and you'll understand.
Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
You're wondering how people view a sex offender differently than what Hillary said in your example?EdsonNascimento said:Go Beavers said:
You're supporting pjsoul's point. That's how you're countering trump, someone accused of sexual assault and admitted to sexually assaulting women. You're playing up a Clinton negative.EdsonNascimento said:PJ_Soul said:
This is what I don't get. For the life of me, and being pretty damn well-informed and as someone who was not a Clinton supporter, I can't figure out how in the fuck anyone in their right mind could possibly consider Clinton to be a worse option than Trump. I sincerely feel like Americans were brainwashed into hating Clinton as much as they do.cincybearcat said:Seriously, this is an interesting topic but can be summed up very quickly:
How to lose to the 2nd most beatable person to ever run for president?
Be the most beatable person to ever run for president.
I'm sure she will find many outside factors, etc that contributed. But the bottom line is people....in her own party...don't like her very much. They don't trust her very much. Now ... the Donald is certainly less likeable and has proven to be less trustworthy of course to the average US Citizen. The problem is the average US citizen doesn't vote anymore. Mostly the fringe of each party and Hillary failed to excite the Dems fringe. So they stayed home while the Donald excited a lot of the fringe of the Republicans. I can't believe there needs to be a book about it. Of course unless the book is merely a cash grab and something to for Hills to shower the blame on other than herself in order to protect her bigly ego.
I know libs hate this, but you seem to forget/downplay that this is a woman who was supposed to stand for women, then when she had her moment, she bashed her husband's victims. How does the left reconcile that? I guess they would have done the same... One is talk. The other is action. Interesting. Oh, I know - old news.Maybe, the left isn't as smart as they consistently tell us they are.
I am just responding to how people can view one as worse than the other. If you don't see how the action speaks louder than the words to some people, then you are making the same mistake Clinton and her party made and continue to make.
Everyone else is stupid and thinking any different than them is a ridiculous thing.
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HughFreakingDillon said:
pfft. those two blowhards are what you call representatives of the left? gimme a break.EdsonNascimento said:HughFreakingDillon said:
where does an entire group consisting of millions and millions of people "consistently tell us they are" smarter than everyone else? what a ridiculous and ignorant statement.EdsonNascimento said:PJ_Soul said:
This is what I don't get. For the life of me, and being pretty damn well-informed and as someone who was not a Clinton supporter, I can't figure out how in the fuck anyone in their right mind could possibly consider Clinton to be a worse option than Trump. I sincerely feel like Americans were brainwashed into hating Clinton as much as they do.cincybearcat said:Seriously, this is an interesting topic but can be summed up very quickly:
How to lose to the 2nd most beatable person to ever run for president?
Be the most beatable person to ever run for president.
I'm sure she will find many outside factors, etc that contributed. But the bottom line is people....in her own party...don't like her very much. They don't trust her very much. Now ... the Donald is certainly less likeable and has proven to be less trustworthy of course to the average US Citizen. The problem is the average US citizen doesn't vote anymore. Mostly the fringe of each party and Hillary failed to excite the Dems fringe. So they stayed home while the Donald excited a lot of the fringe of the Republicans. I can't believe there needs to be a book about it. Of course unless the book is merely a cash grab and something to for Hills to shower the blame on other than herself in order to protect her bigly ego.
I know libs hate this, but you seem to forget/downplay that this is a woman who was supposed to stand for women, then when she had her moment, she bashed her husband's victims. How does the left reconcile that? I guess they would have done the same... One is talk. The other is action. Interesting. Oh, I know - old news.Maybe, the left isn't as smart as they consistently tell us they are.
she bashed "her husband's victims" because it was a political tool where Trump was exploiting the situation. the timing was just a tad more than suspect.
I'm not sure what the 2nd part alludes to as I came to the exchange late, so there may be a point there separate from the one I was trying to make.To your first point - watch Bill Maher or Keith Olberman for 15 seconds, and you'll understand.
Agree. I was sort of joking about that. And, yes, you're correct making blanket statements in general are always wrong (though I think I just made one that may be correct). However, the left does tend to tell people how to think and that they know better even than the people they are contending to help. Just look at this thread. It kind of is a microcosm of the thought pattern.Think of basic pattern on the economy. Who likes to tell people what to do, and who likes to let the free market work? (again, blanket statement that is meant to be MOSTLY right and not the gospel).
My favorite saying for most Democratic leaders is - The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.0 -
BTW, the other issue that I still haven't seen her address (maybe the book does, but I'll never know) is that everyone treats this like a typical election. Trump is more Democrat than Republican It's was 2 bad, somewhat centrist, very wealthy, extremely flawed candidates spewing whatever they needed to in order to attract voters.
The fact is HughFD got it spot on in pointing out - it was the Republican's turn. A 2 term increasingly unpopular (read that as a trend and separate it from what happens when they are no longer in office and what you "know" to be correct) President leads to the other party winning. 8 years is a long time for anything. Folks on one side get happy and content. While folks on the other side get unhappy and motivated. It's probably not much more complicated than that.
The big question we'll never know is could the Dems have bucked this trend with a better candidate, or was the Republicans winning a foregone conclusion? Which goes to the heart of the matter that Clinton and her supporters still can't accept - she was so bad, she couldn't answer that question.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.0 -
well you can cherry pick any topic and relate it to the right as well: telling people how to live and who to love, for example.EdsonNascimento said:HughFreakingDillon said:
pfft. those two blowhards are what you call representatives of the left? gimme a break.EdsonNascimento said:HughFreakingDillon said:
where does an entire group consisting of millions and millions of people "consistently tell us they are" smarter than everyone else? what a ridiculous and ignorant statement.EdsonNascimento said:PJ_Soul said:
This is what I don't get. For the life of me, and being pretty damn well-informed and as someone who was not a Clinton supporter, I can't figure out how in the fuck anyone in their right mind could possibly consider Clinton to be a worse option than Trump. I sincerely feel like Americans were brainwashed into hating Clinton as much as they do.cincybearcat said:Seriously, this is an interesting topic but can be summed up very quickly:
How to lose to the 2nd most beatable person to ever run for president?
Be the most beatable person to ever run for president.
I'm sure she will find many outside factors, etc that contributed. But the bottom line is people....in her own party...don't like her very much. They don't trust her very much. Now ... the Donald is certainly less likeable and has proven to be less trustworthy of course to the average US Citizen. The problem is the average US citizen doesn't vote anymore. Mostly the fringe of each party and Hillary failed to excite the Dems fringe. So they stayed home while the Donald excited a lot of the fringe of the Republicans. I can't believe there needs to be a book about it. Of course unless the book is merely a cash grab and something to for Hills to shower the blame on other than herself in order to protect her bigly ego.
I know libs hate this, but you seem to forget/downplay that this is a woman who was supposed to stand for women, then when she had her moment, she bashed her husband's victims. How does the left reconcile that? I guess they would have done the same... One is talk. The other is action. Interesting. Oh, I know - old news.Maybe, the left isn't as smart as they consistently tell us they are.
she bashed "her husband's victims" because it was a political tool where Trump was exploiting the situation. the timing was just a tad more than suspect.
I'm not sure what the 2nd part alludes to as I came to the exchange late, so there may be a point there separate from the one I was trying to make.To your first point - watch Bill Maher or Keith Olberman for 15 seconds, and you'll understand.
Agree. I was sort of joking about that. And, yes, you're correct making blanket statements in general are always wrong (though I think I just made one that may be correct). However, the left does tend to tell people how to think and that they know better even than the people they are contending to help. Just look at this thread. It kind of is a microcosm of the thought pattern.Think of basic pattern on the economy. Who likes to tell people what to do, and who likes to let the free market work? (again, blanket statement that is meant to be MOSTLY right and not the gospel).
My favorite saying for most Democratic leaders is - The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
however, in your example, the way I see it, the left likes restrictions to protect the people, the right likes to ease restrictions to help the wealthy get wealthier. and don't tell me they do it to help small business-they simply do not do that.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
The overall theme of your posts is adhering strongly to the status quo, so pretty much anyone with an opinion on change will be viewed as telling people what to do. I can also say that someone telling me to let the free market do it's thing is also telling me what to do, which is do nothing to influence change of the system. Being told to do nothing is also being told what to do.EdsonNascimento said:HughFreakingDillon said:
pfft. those two blowhards are what you call representatives of the left? gimme a break.EdsonNascimento said:HughFreakingDillon said:
where does an entire group consisting of millions and millions of people "consistently tell us they are" smarter than everyone else? what a ridiculous and ignorant statement.EdsonNascimento said:PJ_Soul said:
This is what I don't get. For the life of me, and being pretty damn well-informed and as someone who was not a Clinton supporter, I can't figure out how in the fuck anyone in their right mind could possibly consider Clinton to be a worse option than Trump. I sincerely feel like Americans were brainwashed into hating Clinton as much as they do.cincybearcat said:Seriously, this is an interesting topic but can be summed up very quickly:
How to lose to the 2nd most beatable person to ever run for president?
Be the most beatable person to ever run for president.
I'm sure she will find many outside factors, etc that contributed. But the bottom line is people....in her own party...don't like her very much. They don't trust her very much. Now ... the Donald is certainly less likeable and has proven to be less trustworthy of course to the average US Citizen. The problem is the average US citizen doesn't vote anymore. Mostly the fringe of each party and Hillary failed to excite the Dems fringe. So they stayed home while the Donald excited a lot of the fringe of the Republicans. I can't believe there needs to be a book about it. Of course unless the book is merely a cash grab and something to for Hills to shower the blame on other than herself in order to protect her bigly ego.
I know libs hate this, but you seem to forget/downplay that this is a woman who was supposed to stand for women, then when she had her moment, she bashed her husband's victims. How does the left reconcile that? I guess they would have done the same... One is talk. The other is action. Interesting. Oh, I know - old news.Maybe, the left isn't as smart as they consistently tell us they are.
she bashed "her husband's victims" because it was a political tool where Trump was exploiting the situation. the timing was just a tad more than suspect.
I'm not sure what the 2nd part alludes to as I came to the exchange late, so there may be a point there separate from the one I was trying to make.To your first point - watch Bill Maher or Keith Olberman for 15 seconds, and you'll understand.
Agree. I was sort of joking about that. And, yes, you're correct making blanket statements in general are always wrong (though I think I just made one that may be correct). However, the left does tend to tell people how to think and that they know better even than the people they are contending to help. Just look at this thread. It kind of is a microcosm of the thought pattern.Think of basic pattern on the economy. Who likes to tell people what to do, and who likes to let the free market work? (again, blanket statement that is meant to be MOSTLY right and not the gospel).
My favorite saying for most Democratic leaders is - The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
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to the people who think the bernie could have won, I disagree. he was WAY too progressively left for people to embrace him. americans are more worried about their own personal finances than they are the environment or the rights of the oppressed.EdsonNascimento said:BTW, the other issue that I still haven't seen her address (maybe the book does, but I'll never know) is that everyone treats this like a typical election. Trump is more Democrat than Republican It's was 2 bad, somewhat centrist, very wealthy, extremely flawed candidates spewing whatever they needed to in order to attract voters.
The fact is HughFD got it spot on in pointing out - it was the Republican's turn. A 2 term increasingly unpopular (read that as a trend and separate it from what happens when they are no longer in office and what you "know" to be correct) President leads to the other party winning. 8 years is a long time for anything. Folks on one side get happy and content. While folks on the other side get unhappy and motivated. It's probably not much more complicated than that.
The big question we'll never know is could the Dems have bucked this trend with a better candidate, or was the Republicans winning a foregone conclusion? Which goes to the heart of the matter that Clinton and her supporters still can't accept - she was so bad, she couldn't answer that question.
trump ran on fear, and that often wins. it is simply not human nature to believe the person who is saying "everything will be alright" instead of the person saying "we are in danger! I will protect you!". especially in times like these of media sensationalization of absolutely everything.
trump WAS more democrat than republican. he is now embracing his right wing role as he thinks that's his best chance at keeping the WH.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
Sanders would've won. His lead on trump was consistently 10-12 points.HughFreakingDillon said:
to the people who think the bernie could have won, I disagree. he was WAY too progressively left for people to embrace him. americans are more worried about their own personal finances than they are the environment or the rights of the oppressed.EdsonNascimento said:BTW, the other issue that I still haven't seen her address (maybe the book does, but I'll never know) is that everyone treats this like a typical election. Trump is more Democrat than Republican It's was 2 bad, somewhat centrist, very wealthy, extremely flawed candidates spewing whatever they needed to in order to attract voters.
The fact is HughFD got it spot on in pointing out - it was the Republican's turn. A 2 term increasingly unpopular (read that as a trend and separate it from what happens when they are no longer in office and what you "know" to be correct) President leads to the other party winning. 8 years is a long time for anything. Folks on one side get happy and content. While folks on the other side get unhappy and motivated. It's probably not much more complicated than that.
The big question we'll never know is could the Dems have bucked this trend with a better candidate, or was the Republicans winning a foregone conclusion? Which goes to the heart of the matter that Clinton and her supporters still can't accept - she was so bad, she couldn't answer that question.
trump ran on fear, and that often wins. it is simply not human nature to believe the person who is saying "everything will be alright" instead of the person saying "we are in danger! I will protect you!". especially in times like these of media sensationalization of absolutely everything.
trump WAS more democrat than republican. he is now embracing his right wing role as he thinks that's his best chance at keeping the WH.0
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