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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    http://www.metro.us/things-to-do/hillary-clinton-book-tour-schedule-2017

    Here is the full book tour schedule for Hillary Clinton:

    Sept. 18
    Washington, D.C.
    Warner Theatre/DC with Politics & Prose

    Sept. 28
    Toronto, Canada
    Enercare Center

    Oct. 3
    Broward, FL
    Broward Center for the Performing Arts

    Oct. 9
    Davis, CA
    Jackson Hall

    Oct. 23
    Montreal, Canada
    Palais des congrès de Montréal

    Oct. 24
    Ann Arbor, MI
    Hill Auditorium
    Presale available

    Oct. 30
    Chicago, IL
    Auditorium Theatre
    Presale available

    Nov. 1
    New York, NY
    The Temple Emanu-El Streicker Center

    Nov. 9
    Milwaukee, WI
    Riverside Theater
    Presale available

    Nov. 13
    Atlanta, GA
    Fox Theatre
    Presale available

    Nov. 28
    Boston, MA
    Boston Opera House
    Presale available

    Nov. 30
    Philadelphia, PA
    Kimmel Center Academy of Music
    Presale available

    Dec. 11
    Seattle, WA
    Paramount Theatre
    Presale available

    Dec. 12
    Portland, OR
    Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall
    Presale available

    Dec. 13
    Vancouver, CA
    Vancouver Convention Center




  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    I'm still scratching my head at Mitt Romney being called a "great man". 
    :confounded:
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,661
    edited August 2017
    brianlux said:
    Seriously friends, wouldn't you agree that we could do better than Trump, Clinton, Sanders and Stein?  Couldn't we?  Good gawd I hope so.
    Not better than Sanders. Why don't you like Sanders? I don't see why anyone who leans left would want "better" than him or think there is better out there .... Bernie's problem is not his problem - a completely fucked up election/government system that doesn't serve the nation well at all is.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,597
    I'll take it as a good sign that neither New Hampshire nor Iowa is on this list.
    ___________________________________________

    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,821
    Seriously, this is an interesting topic but can be summed up very quickly:

    How to lose to the 2nd most beatable person to ever run for president? 

    Be the most beatable person to ever run for president.

    I'm sure she will find many outside factors, etc that contributed.  But the bottom line is people....in her own party...don't like her very much.  They don't trust her very much.  Now ... the Donald is certainly less likeable and has proven to be less trustworthy of course to the average US Citizen.  The problem is the average US citizen doesn't vote anymore.  Mostly the fringe of each party and Hillary failed to excite the Dems fringe.  So they stayed home while the Donald excited a lot of the fringe of the Republicans.  I can't believe there needs to be a book about it.  Of course unless the book is merely a cash grab and something to for Hills to shower the blame on other than herself in order to protect her bigly ego. 
    hippiemom = goodness
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,539
    cincybearcat said:
    Seriously, this is an interesting topic but can be summed up very quickly:

    How to lose to the 2nd most beatable person to ever run for president? 

    Be the most beatable person to ever run for president.

    I'm sure she will find many outside factors, etc that contributed.  But the bottom line is people....in her own party...don't like her very much.  They don't trust her very much.  Now ... the Donald is certainly less likeable and has proven to be less trustworthy of course to the average US Citizen.  The problem is the average US citizen doesn't vote anymore.  Mostly the fringe of each party and Hillary failed to excite the Dems fringe.  So they stayed home while the Donald excited a lot of the fringe of the Republicans.  I can't believe there needs to be a book about it.  Of course unless the book is merely a cash grab and something to for Hills to shower the blame on other than herself in order to protect her bigly ego. 
    If there's an average American non voter, they tend to be more poor than those who vote. Whether you're "fringe" or not isn't a factor. 
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,539
    JimmyV said:
    I'll take it as a good sign that neither New Hampshire nor Iowa is on this list.
    trump informed her that New Hampshire's a drug den shithole. 
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,450
    let's take HC out of this for a minute. yes, she was a terrible candidate. but, does anyone else not think these were major factors as well:

    -Obama, first black president. people want a white male back in
    -democrats hold the WH for two consecutive terms. is it not normal for the pendulum to swing back to the red party just because, no matter who the candidate is?
    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall




  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,597
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    let's take HC out of this for a minute. yes, she was a terrible candidate. but, does anyone else not think these were major factors as well:

    -Obama, first black president. people want a white male back in
    -democrats hold the WH for two consecutive terms. is it not normal for the pendulum to swing back to the red party just because, no matter who the candidate is?

    The second point, yes. Two terms of Reagan followed by one term of George H.W. Bush is the only time in my lifetime one party has controlled the White House three straight terms.

    The first point though I think is a reach. I have a hard time believing many people who voted for Obama twice decided that now they wanted a white male named Donald Trump. Maybe, but I don't see it. Many just didn't want Hillary and many more believed she was inevitable.
    ___________________________________________

    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,450
    JimmyV said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    let's take HC out of this for a minute. yes, she was a terrible candidate. but, does anyone else not think these were major factors as well:

    -Obama, first black president. people want a white male back in
    -democrats hold the WH for two consecutive terms. is it not normal for the pendulum to swing back to the red party just because, no matter who the candidate is?

    The second point, yes. Two terms of Reagan followed by one term of George H.W. Bush is the only time in my lifetime one party has controlled the White House three straight terms.

    The first point though I think is a reach. I have a hard time believing many people who voted for Obama twice decided that now they wanted a white male named Donald Trump. Maybe, but I don't see it. Many just didn't want Hillary and many more believed she was inevitable.
    when I say "they" wanted a white man back in, I wasn't referring to your average voter. More the racist/misogynist fucks that came out in droves to vote Trump in. 
    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall




  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,597
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JimmyV said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    let's take HC out of this for a minute. yes, she was a terrible candidate. but, does anyone else not think these were major factors as well:

    -Obama, first black president. people want a white male back in
    -democrats hold the WH for two consecutive terms. is it not normal for the pendulum to swing back to the red party just because, no matter who the candidate is?

    The second point, yes. Two terms of Reagan followed by one term of George H.W. Bush is the only time in my lifetime one party has controlled the White House three straight terms.

    The first point though I think is a reach. I have a hard time believing many people who voted for Obama twice decided that now they wanted a white male named Donald Trump. Maybe, but I don't see it. Many just didn't want Hillary and many more believed she was inevitable.
    when I say "they" wanted a white man back in, I wasn't referring to your average voter. More the racist/misogynist fucks that came out in droves to vote Trump in. 
    Well them, sure. There definitely were a lot of those. But if the Democrats had a stronger nominee they wouldn't have been enough to swing the election.
    ___________________________________________

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  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    edited August 2017
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    let's take HC out of this for a minute. yes, she was a terrible candidate. but, does anyone else not think these were major factors as well:

    -Obama, first black president. people want a white male back in
    -democrats hold the WH for two consecutive terms. is it not normal for the pendulum to swing back to the red party just because, no matter who the candidate is?


    Your first is a no. If anything, it favored a woman winning to break that barrier.

    Your second is spot on thus confirming Reagan's greatness. Bush the Elder's term is very unusual. You'd have to go back to the Coolidge-Hoover to find a newly elected 3rd term from a different person, same party.  Interestingly, Taft did it following TDR and in both those cases, TDR and Coolidge ascended from VP b/c of assassination, thus not serving 2 full terms themselves.

    There are other instances of a different person winning another term making it 3 consecutive (or more - see Truman) in the same party, but those initially ascended via assassination and then won another term themselves.

    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JimmyV said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    let's take HC out of this for a minute. yes, she was a terrible candidate. but, does anyone else not think these were major factors as well:

    -Obama, first black president. people want a white male back in
    -democrats hold the WH for two consecutive terms. is it not normal for the pendulum to swing back to the red party just because, no matter who the candidate is?

    The second point, yes. Two terms of Reagan followed by one term of George H.W. Bush is the only time in my lifetime one party has controlled the White House three straight terms.

    The first point though I think is a reach. I have a hard time believing many people who voted for Obama twice decided that now they wanted a white male named Donald Trump. Maybe, but I don't see it. Many just didn't want Hillary and many more believed she was inevitable.
    More the racist/misogynist fucks that came out in droves to vote Trump in. 
    is this your belief or a fact?
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,450
    JC29856 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JimmyV said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    let's take HC out of this for a minute. yes, she was a terrible candidate. but, does anyone else not think these were major factors as well:

    -Obama, first black president. people want a white male back in
    -democrats hold the WH for two consecutive terms. is it not normal for the pendulum to swing back to the red party just because, no matter who the candidate is?

    The second point, yes. Two terms of Reagan followed by one term of George H.W. Bush is the only time in my lifetime one party has controlled the White House three straight terms.

    The first point though I think is a reach. I have a hard time believing many people who voted for Obama twice decided that now they wanted a white male named Donald Trump. Maybe, but I don't see it. Many just didn't want Hillary and many more believed she was inevitable.
    More the racist/misogynist fucks that came out in droves to vote Trump in. 
    is this your belief or a fact?
    neither. I was asking a question. 
    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall




  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    What I find interesting is the number of votes by state the last 3 elections. Did the racist states come out in droves for Trump compared to Romney or McCain? I think the answer is on the other side, compare the blue states, Hillary vs Obama, specifically in Mich and Wisc

    Mich-O 2.8 then 2.5 Hill 2.2
    Wisc-O1.6 then 1.6 Hill 1.3

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2016
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008

  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,539
    Like I said earlier, most racist voters voted McCain, Romney, trump. 
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    Go Beavers said:
    Like I said earlier, most racist voters voted McCain, Romney, trump. 

    Most.  And the others?  What say you about them?
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,539
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    Go Beavers said:
    Like I said earlier, most racist voters voted McCain, Romney, trump. 

    Most.  And the others?  What say you about them?
    Some of the others voted for Clinton, Johnson, and Stein. 
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,661
    cincybearcat said:
    Seriously, this is an interesting topic but can be summed up very quickly:

    How to lose to the 2nd most beatable person to ever run for president? 

    Be the most beatable person to ever run for president.

    I'm sure she will find many outside factors, etc that contributed.  But the bottom line is people....in her own party...don't like her very much.  They don't trust her very much.  Now ... the Donald is certainly less likeable and has proven to be less trustworthy of course to the average US Citizen.  The problem is the average US citizen doesn't vote anymore.  Mostly the fringe of each party and Hillary failed to excite the Dems fringe.  So they stayed home while the Donald excited a lot of the fringe of the Republicans.  I can't believe there needs to be a book about it.  Of course unless the book is merely a cash grab and something to for Hills to shower the blame on other than herself in order to protect her bigly ego. 
    This is what I don't get. For the life of me, and being pretty damn well-informed and as someone who was not a Clinton supporter, I can't figure out how in the fuck anyone in their right mind could possibly consider Clinton to be a worse option than Trump. I sincerely feel like Americans were brainwashed into hating Clinton as much as they do. :fearful:
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    PJ_Soul said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Seriously, this is an interesting topic but can be summed up very quickly:

    How to lose to the 2nd most beatable person to ever run for president? 

    Be the most beatable person to ever run for president.

    I'm sure she will find many outside factors, etc that contributed.  But the bottom line is people....in her own party...don't like her very much.  They don't trust her very much.  Now ... the Donald is certainly less likeable and has proven to be less trustworthy of course to the average US Citizen.  The problem is the average US citizen doesn't vote anymore.  Mostly the fringe of each party and Hillary failed to excite the Dems fringe.  So they stayed home while the Donald excited a lot of the fringe of the Republicans.  I can't believe there needs to be a book about it.  Of course unless the book is merely a cash grab and something to for Hills to shower the blame on other than herself in order to protect her bigly ego. 
    This is what I don't get. For the life of me, and being pretty damn well-informed and as someone who was not a Clinton supporter, I can't figure out how in the fuck anyone in their right mind could possibly consider Clinton to be a worse option than Trump. I sincerely feel like Americans were brainwashed into hating Clinton as much as they do. :fearful:
    brainwashed is a new one

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