Is America the greatest country in the world?
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When will this hellish nightmare end?Halifax2TheMax said:
And how much you wanna bet they did shots of vodka while watching the PTape?josevolution said:
Bolton is over there right now shaking his hand ..njnancy said:Fuck Putin.
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Spring-ish 2020.njnancy said:
When will this hellish nightmare end?Halifax2TheMax said:
And how much you wanna bet they did shots of vodka while watching the PTape?josevolution said:
Bolton is over there right now shaking his hand ..njnancy said:Fuck Putin.
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That's a long time in Trump years.Halifax2TheMax said:
Spring-ish 2020.njnancy said:
When will this hellish nightmare end?Halifax2TheMax said:
And how much you wanna bet they did shots of vodka while watching the PTape?josevolution said:
Bolton is over there right now shaking his hand ..njnancy said:Fuck Putin.
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Several life times.njnancy said:
That's a long time in Trump years.Halifax2TheMax said:
Spring-ish 2020.njnancy said:
When will this hellish nightmare end?Halifax2TheMax said:
And how much you wanna bet they did shots of vodka while watching the PTape?josevolution said:
Bolton is over there right now shaking his hand ..njnancy said:Fuck Putin.
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Cork is beautiful. I was amazed how wonderful Ireland is.njnancy said:
America is such a large country with so many different types of people in it. There are fake people and there are genuine people. My family comes from Ireland and everyone but me has visited Cork and Kinsale and found the people to be wonderful. They embraced my family as 'cusins', even though they many be decent cousins and were extremely inviting.lastexitlondon said:All politics has racist elements and some hide it some show it. All countries are now having a party for racists to follow.
The size of our country is not relative to the population size. I still think the people make the country . Either great or not. I may be unpopular but the amount of knuckle dragging idiots is large and the more people the higher the number.
On these boards we are blessed with open people in the main.
We can learn and see eachother view point. The whole world is not like that.
The nicest people I've encountered on my many travels have been the poorest or worse off. Also as a nation the Dutch and Irish have been the ones I've noticed as most genuinely friendly.
Some Americans I've met seem over the top and a bit fake
But hey they can be anywhere.
It is a completely non-scientific opinion but I spent over 5 years as a waitress while in college and I found the nicest customers and the best tippers were regular and 'poor' people. Even within my own family and circle of acquaintances I have found that those who are the most well off are the worst tippers while being the pickiest and most demanding.. As a person who worked in that industry for so long, I consider how someone tips to be indicative of who they are in many ways. It's subjective, but it's my experience.
I find it hard to answer the question about America being the best country at this point in our history. But there are the leaders of countries and then there are the people within countries. Depending on what system of government each country has, the government reflects or does not reflect the majority of the citizens. If we did not use the electoral college for Presidential elections, we would have a very different President. So I take comfort in the fact that the majority of those who bothered to vote did not vote for our current President. He is a bad man, always has been and the fact that he has made it into the White House makes me question many things about our country. And the future of our country. He is so loud and constant and boorish that it perpetuates the stereotype of the loud arrogant American every hour of every day. It just doesn't stop. He is also dangerous because he is drunk on power. And he blatantly lies and brings out the worst in a portion of our country.
I do not have the luxury of traveling the world, and those who can - more power to you. I wish I were able to experience what it is like to live in other parts of the world. We are so integrated and this nationalist thing going on right now is fueled by fear and fear can be very strong but is not sustainable.
Sorry for ramblings....
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It's not that hard. There is pretty much nothing going for it to make it compete to be close to the best. Compared to some of the European countries. No metrics where the US is better for the citizens of the country.njnancy said:I find it hard to answer the question about America being the best country at this point in our history.
People on here just need to put away the patriotic indoctrination from growing up with the american flag in the classrooms and singing the national anthem at every sporting event and being hit over the head about "the american spirit" and "the greatest country in the world because of 'reasons'" -- and see things for what they are.
And that's okey. You don't have to be the best.Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
The president is banking on the caravan argument to help GOP in 13 days and it’s working the blue wave at the end will be a trickle ..jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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And that caravan of people is risking life and limb to get to the United States. So the United States has to be a pretty good country, no?josevolution said:The president is banking on the caravan argument to help GOP in 13 days and it’s working the blue wave at the end will be a trickle ..I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Fair pointmcgruff10 said:
And that caravan of people is risking life and limb to get to the United States. So the United States has to be a pretty good country, no?josevolution said:The president is banking on the caravan argument to help GOP in 13 days and it’s working the blue wave at the end will be a trickle ..0 -
The logic here doesn't check out. If your're leaving something making it worth of risking life and limb, wouldn't most other countries be "pretty good"mcgruff10 said:
And that caravan of people is risking life and limb to get to the United States. So the United States has to be a pretty good country, no?josevolution said:The president is banking on the caravan argument to help GOP in 13 days and it’s working the blue wave at the end will be a trickle ..
Also, how a country appear through chuck norris movies and how they are in reality, are two difference things But I guess Pearl Jam might have been a factor going.
"I wanna be there when they play Just A Girl again"Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
The US definitely is waaaay better than Honduras and Mexico.mcgruff10 said:
And that caravan of people is risking life and limb to get to the United States. So the United States has to be a pretty good country, no?josevolution said:The president is banking on the caravan argument to help GOP in 13 days and it’s working the blue wave at the end will be a trickle ..
You're setting the bar pretty low here, Scruffy. I'm not a hater of the US- I actually really like the areas I've been to and the people in those areas; however, there are other areas I have zero interest in seeing given what I have come to understand about them and their resistance to evolution.
Areas I've been to that I love: Hawaii, Washington, California, and Massachusetts.
Areas that were 'okay': Arizona.
Areas I have zero interest in: use your imagination (there's an assorted array).
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It’s the only game in town for them given the choices they have I bet if they could walk down to South America or walk on water across to Europe they would !mcgruff10 said:
And that caravan of people is risking life and limb to get to the United States. So the United States has to be a pretty good country, no?josevolution said:The president is banking on the caravan argument to help GOP in 13 days and it’s working the blue wave at the end will be a trickle ..jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
Well, it’s better than Honduras.mcgruff10 said:
And that caravan of people is risking life and limb to get to the United States. So the United States has to be a pretty good country, no?josevolution said:The president is banking on the caravan argument to help GOP in 13 days and it’s working the blue wave at the end will be a trickle ..my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
As I've said, the US PR-machine has worked overtime for decades also (just look at people in this thread). Ofc people think it's "the country of opportunity" or whatever. Throw up some bulletpoints with facts comparing Finland and the US, and people would not pick the US. If the Atlantic ocean wouldn't be there stopping them. I would think.
Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
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Trust me, there's no US PR machine driving my thinking and while I agree that there are people like that in this country, I don't think they are on this forum and definitely not in the AMT so you can quit with the pompous generalizations that we're all some slack jawed drooling flag waving morons who eat up anything fed to us to keep the myth alive.Spiritual_Chaos said:As I've said, the US PR-machine has worked overtime for decades also (just look at people in this thread). Ofc people think it's "the country of opportunity" or whatever. Throw up some bulletpoints with facts comparing Finland and the US, and people would not pick the US. If the Atlantic ocean wouldn't be there stopping them.
I don't know what the greatest country is because I can't speak to what it's like to live other places for several years. There are a lot of great things about several countries in this world. It all depends on what you need and what you desire as a lifestyle. Someone with kids will have a completely different opinion then someone who is retired. Personally, if I didn't have kids and didn't have any family, I'd probably being living on the French Polynesian islands. That place is so beautiful and you could get by on very little if you didn't have a care in the world for "stuff" and physical possessions. I don't have any significant health concerns so at this point in my life I wouldn't be worried about health care.
Someone earlier mentioned the G7 countries and I would agree you probably could pick any one of them and sprinkle in a few other European countries and Australia and find them pretty comparable on the greatness scale.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
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I'd say it's the greatest country simply for the fact of everything being discussed going on in this country is able to be openly debated, challenged and changed.
You'r changing your story. Your credibility would be screwed if you were on trial.tbergs said:
I don't know what the greatest country is because I can't speak to what it's like to live other places for several years.
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I also never got an answer to what differ the possibilities in the US to open debate, challenge and change that other countries lack?Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
You can look at things holistically, even if you e.g. IN THIS VERY MOMENT do not need healthcare. You can also use your empathy to put yourself in other peoples shoes when discussing a topic. Instead of "I DO NOT NEED HEALTHCARE", you can look at it as "DO PEOPLE NEED HEALTHCARE?" or "LOOK AT THESE FACTS PRESENTED REGARDING HEALTHCARE". Etc.tbergs said:
Someone with kids will have a completely different opinion then someone who is retired. Personally, if I didn't have kids and didn't have any family, I'd probably being living on the French Polynesian islands. That place is so beautiful and you could get by on very little if you didn't have a care in the world for "stuff" and physical possessions. I don't have any significant health concerns so at this point in my life I wouldn't be worried about health care.Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Yes, I know what I said, which is why I provided context to what I stated today. I am open minded and willing to change my opinions when I read or find new information. There are days I'd probably say Pearl Jam is the greatest band of all time and others where I'd be like, maybe not.Spiritual_Chaos said:tbergs said:
I'd say it's the greatest country simply for the fact of everything being discussed going on in this country is able to be openly debated, challenged and changed.
You'r changing your story. Your credibility would be screwed if you were on trial.tbergs said:
I don't know what the greatest country is because I can't speak to what it's like to live other places for several years.
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Fair point. I honestly don't know how good healthcare is in Tahiti. Maybe it's fabulousSpiritual_Chaos said:
You can look at things holistically, even if you e.g. IN THIS VERY MOMENT do not need healthcare. You can also use your empathy to put yourself in other peoples shoes when discussing a topic. Instead of "I DO NOT NEED HEALTHCARE", you can look at it as "DO PEOPLE NEED HEALTHCARE?" or "LOOK AT THESE FACTS PRESENTED REGARDING HEALTHCARE". Etc.tbergs said:
Someone with kids will have a completely different opinion then someone who is retired. Personally, if I didn't have kids and didn't have any family, I'd probably being living on the French Polynesian islands. That place is so beautiful and you could get by on very little if you didn't have a care in the world for "stuff" and physical possessions. I don't have any significant health concerns so at this point in my life I wouldn't be worried about health care. It's a hopeless situation...0
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