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He is not moving you towards one. You have one. He is a symptom...not a cause...and I don't take pleasure in it.Go Beavers said:
So if trump is moving us to an identity crisis, what is that and why do you like it?BS44325 said:
You don't have a constitutional crisis. You have an identity crisis.Go Beavers said:
You like trump taking us in the direction of a Constitutional crisis?BS44325 said:
I think this whole "morale" thing is a red hearing. In any agency you will have a percentage of people who loved the boss and another percentage that hated the boss. There is no doubt either side can find a handful of agents who will support them on the "morale" question...some will say it was terrible before and some will say it is terrible now. Either way it doesn't matter...all that matters is who Trump nominates as the replacement. If the replacement is seen as credible then the morale question is solved.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Optimistically clinging to hope, eh?BS44325 said:
Uhhh...no. I am still a neocon. This has zero to do with nationalism. We are talking about one action...the firing of Comey. It is irrelevant to the discussion of political philosophy. I believe Trump has the right to fire Comey. I believe he should have fired him a long time ago. I recognize that politically it looks terrible and might come with a short term price. None of that speaks to being a nationalist or a neocon and if anything since taking office Trump has moved towards the neocon position in action and in deed...it is why I can cut him some slack from time to time because aside from the daily messiness he is moving in a direction that I like.mrussel1 said:
Okay so the neocon is now a nationalist (Canadian who supports a US Nationalist..irony....) because the nationalist won the election. So he says "fuck em". I think we can now put you into the intellectually dishonest category at this point.BS44325 said:
No. You have lost your cool. And as far as the "intellectually honest conservatives" are concerned...fuck 'em....what makes them so "intellectual"? Most were #nevertrump from the get go and wrongly predicted that Trump would crash and burn in November while taking the entire GOPnwith him. Trump did it without those people and need not rely on their "intellectual honesty" for his support. Comey needed to go. Period. The end. An intellectually honest person recognizes that and makes the right leadership position irrespective of the outrage to follow. Trump did what was necessary while the real hacks cower.mrussel1 said:
No, I'm just embarrassed for you. You're trying to defend the indefensible. David French, Larison, Dreher, none of the intellectually honest conservatives are defending his actions. The only ones that do are the lemmings and the hacks. Hannity, Rush, Alex Jones, Savage...the fucking hacks. And now you, even using the stupid campaign slogans that were totally full of shit.BS44325 said:
You're losing your cool.mrussel1 said:
Whatever, another bullshit answer and you know it. You're now an official lemming. Make sure you use the word "fake" in everything you say. It's especially comical coming from you, an avowed neocon. They are the GOP establishment.BS44325 said:
He is part of the swamp. The one that needs to be drained.mrussel1 said:
How is Comey establishment? Is it because he went to college and got a job? He's a law enforcement officer for Christ sake's.BS44325 said:
Comey is establishment. Bipartisan disgust for him. Like I said earlier...two days ago Comey being useless was the one thing the whole world agreed on.Go Beavers said:
How did part of the establishment take a hit, and then what will his voters be digging?BS44325 said:Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
You're reeling a bit.BS44325 said:
Trump has only ever given train wreck interviews. You seem to be stuck on the idea that it matters. It has never mattered and it will likely continue to never matter. It is not 3D chess when you recognize the obvious.dignin said:So can we finally put this myth to bed that Trump is brilliant and playing some kind of 3D chess?
Even the dimmest of bulbs among us must have come to the realization that the man is an idiot.
His people must be pooping their pants after that train wreck of an interview.
You'd do well to listen to your last statement, It is not 3D chess when you recognize the obvious. Idiots voted for this man hoping for the moon. It was stupid of them.
No they did not. Hope was the slogan for the last presidency. This was a fuck the establishment vote. Part of the establishment took a massive hit yesterday. His voters will dig that.
And Trump is doing a bang up job with all the Goldman people in his cabinet.
Comey was more supported than you're suggesting. Agents are a little ticked and they have been expressing their concern:
"The firing of FBI Director James Comey has reportedly sent morale plunging at an agency already enduring one of its most tumultuous periods in history."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/fbi-agents-james-comey-change-profile-photos-a7730496.html
To me, Trump's threatening tweet is rather ominous. Who says, "If you tell on me, I'll tell on you" if they don't have anything they are concerned about being 'told on' for?
I don't think you are going to like what will undoubtedly be unfolding in the next while. I've been of the opinion that impeachment was unlikely; however, I'm beginning to think it is inevitable.
Also...I ain't "optimistic". I am on the "world is heading toward disaster" team. I supported Trump over Hillary as a hail mary pass. I like the direction things are moving but I am not optimistic that disaster can be averted.0 -
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I think the GOP is going to lose seats in next election the longer they wait there smiling while this ding dong poops all over the floor.Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0
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Interesting that it wasn't noted that Trump himself linked his firing of Comey directly to the investigation and his desire for it to go away.BS44325 said:
Intellectual honesty?Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
All the stated reasons by the administration for firing Comey existed on Jan 20th. This is actually the opposite of intellectual honesty.BS44325 said:0 -
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The administration in power usually loses 20+ seats in the first congressional off year election. It is likely that this one will as well...unless the deplorables stay fired up.Jason P said:I think the GOP is going to lose seats in next election the longer they wait there smiling while this ding dong poops all over the floor.0 -
And for the reasons he chooses. Such as the investigation.BS44325 said:
You're dodging, diving, dipping, and ducking, but you aren't dodging!Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Now you're just talking out of your tush.BS44325 said:
He is not moving you towards one. You have one. He is a symptom...not a cause...and I don't take pleasure in it.Go Beavers said:
So if trump is moving us to an identity crisis, what is that and why do you like it?BS44325 said:
You don't have a constitutional crisis. You have an identity crisis.Go Beavers said:
You like trump taking us in the direction of a Constitutional crisis?BS44325 said:
I think this whole "morale" thing is a red hearing. In any agency you will have a percentage of people who loved the boss and another percentage that hated the boss. There is no doubt either side can find a handful of agents who will support them on the "morale" question...some will say it was terrible before and some will say it is terrible now. Either way it doesn't matter...all that matters is who Trump nominates as the replacement. If the replacement is seen as credible then the morale question is solved.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Optimistically clinging to hope, eh?BS44325 said:
Uhhh...no. I am still a neocon. This has zero to do with nationalism. We are talking about one action...the firing of Comey. It is irrelevant to the discussion of political philosophy. I believe Trump has the right to fire Comey. I believe he should have fired him a long time ago. I recognize that politically it looks terrible and might come with a short term price. None of that speaks to being a nationalist or a neocon and if anything since taking office Trump has moved towards the neocon position in action and in deed...it is why I can cut him some slack from time to time because aside from the daily messiness he is moving in a direction that I like.mrussel1 said:
Okay so the neocon is now a nationalist (Canadian who supports a US Nationalist..irony....) because the nationalist won the election. So he says "fuck em". I think we can now put you into the intellectually dishonest category at this point.BS44325 said:
No. You have lost your cool. And as far as the "intellectually honest conservatives" are concerned...fuck 'em....what makes them so "intellectual"? Most were #nevertrump from the get go and wrongly predicted that Trump would crash and burn in November while taking the entire GOPnwith him. Trump did it without those people and need not rely on their "intellectual honesty" for his support. Comey needed to go. Period. The end. An intellectually honest person recognizes that and makes the right leadership position irrespective of the outrage to follow. Trump did what was necessary while the real hacks cower.mrussel1 said:
No, I'm just embarrassed for you. You're trying to defend the indefensible. David French, Larison, Dreher, none of the intellectually honest conservatives are defending his actions. The only ones that do are the lemmings and the hacks. Hannity, Rush, Alex Jones, Savage...the fucking hacks. And now you, even using the stupid campaign slogans that were totally full of shit.BS44325 said:
You're losing your cool.mrussel1 said:
Whatever, another bullshit answer and you know it. You're now an official lemming. Make sure you use the word "fake" in everything you say. It's especially comical coming from you, an avowed neocon. They are the GOP establishment.BS44325 said:
He is part of the swamp. The one that needs to be drained.mrussel1 said:
How is Comey establishment? Is it because he went to college and got a job? He's a law enforcement officer for Christ sake's.BS44325 said:
Comey is establishment. Bipartisan disgust for him. Like I said earlier...two days ago Comey being useless was the one thing the whole world agreed on.Go Beavers said:
How did part of the establishment take a hit, and then what will his voters be digging?BS44325 said:Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
You're reeling a bit.BS44325 said:
Trump has only ever given train wreck interviews. You seem to be stuck on the idea that it matters. It has never mattered and it will likely continue to never matter. It is not 3D chess when you recognize the obvious.dignin said:So can we finally put this myth to bed that Trump is brilliant and playing some kind of 3D chess?
Even the dimmest of bulbs among us must have come to the realization that the man is an idiot.
His people must be pooping their pants after that train wreck of an interview.
You'd do well to listen to your last statement, It is not 3D chess when you recognize the obvious. Idiots voted for this man hoping for the moon. It was stupid of them.
No they did not. Hope was the slogan for the last presidency. This was a fuck the establishment vote. Part of the establishment took a massive hit yesterday. His voters will dig that.
And Trump is doing a bang up job with all the Goldman people in his cabinet.
Comey was more supported than you're suggesting. Agents are a little ticked and they have been expressing their concern:
"The firing of FBI Director James Comey has reportedly sent morale plunging at an agency already enduring one of its most tumultuous periods in history."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/fbi-agents-james-comey-change-profile-photos-a7730496.html
To me, Trump's threatening tweet is rather ominous. Who says, "If you tell on me, I'll tell on you" if they don't have anything they are concerned about being 'told on' for?
I don't think you are going to like what will undoubtedly be unfolding in the next while. I've been of the opinion that impeachment was unlikely; however, I'm beginning to think it is inevitable.
Also...I ain't "optimistic". I am on the "world is heading toward disaster" team. I supported Trump over Hillary as a hail mary pass. I like the direction things are moving but I am not optimistic that disaster can be averted.0 -
Patches O'Houlihanrgambs said:
And for the reasons he chooses. Such as the investigation.BS44325 said:
You're dodging, diving, dipping, and ducking, but you aren't dodging!0 -
I ain't askin' for much...Go Beavers said:
Now you're just talking out of your tush.BS44325 said:
He is not moving you towards one. You have one. He is a symptom...not a cause...and I don't take pleasure in it.Go Beavers said:
So if trump is moving us to an identity crisis, what is that and why do you like it?BS44325 said:
You don't have a constitutional crisis. You have an identity crisis.Go Beavers said:
You like trump taking us in the direction of a Constitutional crisis?BS44325 said:
I think this whole "morale" thing is a red hearing. In any agency you will have a percentage of people who loved the boss and another percentage that hated the boss. There is no doubt either side can find a handful of agents who will support them on the "morale" question...some will say it was terrible before and some will say it is terrible now. Either way it doesn't matter...all that matters is who Trump nominates as the replacement. If the replacement is seen as credible then the morale question is solved.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Optimistically clinging to hope, eh?BS44325 said:
Uhhh...no. I am still a neocon. This has zero to do with nationalism. We are talking about one action...the firing of Comey. It is irrelevant to the discussion of political philosophy. I believe Trump has the right to fire Comey. I believe he should have fired him a long time ago. I recognize that politically it looks terrible and might come with a short term price. None of that speaks to being a nationalist or a neocon and if anything since taking office Trump has moved towards the neocon position in action and in deed...it is why I can cut him some slack from time to time because aside from the daily messiness he is moving in a direction that I like.mrussel1 said:
Okay so the neocon is now a nationalist (Canadian who supports a US Nationalist..irony....) because the nationalist won the election. So he says "fuck em". I think we can now put you into the intellectually dishonest category at this point.BS44325 said:
No. You have lost your cool. And as far as the "intellectually honest conservatives" are concerned...fuck 'em....what makes them so "intellectual"? Most were #nevertrump from the get go and wrongly predicted that Trump would crash and burn in November while taking the entire GOPnwith him. Trump did it without those people and need not rely on their "intellectual honesty" for his support. Comey needed to go. Period. The end. An intellectually honest person recognizes that and makes the right leadership position irrespective of the outrage to follow. Trump did what was necessary while the real hacks cower.mrussel1 said:
No, I'm just embarrassed for you. You're trying to defend the indefensible. David French, Larison, Dreher, none of the intellectually honest conservatives are defending his actions. The only ones that do are the lemmings and the hacks. Hannity, Rush, Alex Jones, Savage...the fucking hacks. And now you, even using the stupid campaign slogans that were totally full of shit.BS44325 said:
You're losing your cool.mrussel1 said:
Whatever, another bullshit answer and you know it. You're now an official lemming. Make sure you use the word "fake" in everything you say. It's especially comical coming from you, an avowed neocon. They are the GOP establishment.BS44325 said:
He is part of the swamp. The one that needs to be drained.mrussel1 said:
How is Comey establishment? Is it because he went to college and got a job? He's a law enforcement officer for Christ sake's.BS44325 said:
Comey is establishment. Bipartisan disgust for him. Like I said earlier...two days ago Comey being useless was the one thing the whole world agreed on.Go Beavers said:
How did part of the establishment take a hit, and then what will his voters be digging?BS44325 said:Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
You're reeling a bit.BS44325 said:
Trump has only ever given train wreck interviews. You seem to be stuck on the idea that it matters. It has never mattered and it will likely continue to never matter. It is not 3D chess when you recognize the obvious.dignin said:So can we finally put this myth to bed that Trump is brilliant and playing some kind of 3D chess?
Even the dimmest of bulbs among us must have come to the realization that the man is an idiot.
His people must be pooping their pants after that train wreck of an interview.
You'd do well to listen to your last statement, It is not 3D chess when you recognize the obvious. Idiots voted for this man hoping for the moon. It was stupid of them.
No they did not. Hope was the slogan for the last presidency. This was a fuck the establishment vote. Part of the establishment took a massive hit yesterday. His voters will dig that.
And Trump is doing a bang up job with all the Goldman people in his cabinet.
Comey was more supported than you're suggesting. Agents are a little ticked and they have been expressing their concern:
"The firing of FBI Director James Comey has reportedly sent morale plunging at an agency already enduring one of its most tumultuous periods in history."
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/fbi-agents-james-comey-change-profile-photos-a7730496.html
To me, Trump's threatening tweet is rather ominous. Who says, "If you tell on me, I'll tell on you" if they don't have anything they are concerned about being 'told on' for?
I don't think you are going to like what will undoubtedly be unfolding in the next while. I've been of the opinion that impeachment was unlikely; however, I'm beginning to think it is inevitable.
Also...I ain't "optimistic". I am on the "world is heading toward disaster" team. I supported Trump over Hillary as a hail mary pass. I like the direction things are moving but I am not optimistic that disaster can be averted.
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So you choose one of two things to try and support your position: this situation is new and different and trump is shaking things up, so the old ways don't apply, or the let's apply historical patterns to my future predictions because things will stay the same. Not sure you can have both.BS44325 said:
The administration in power usually loses 20+ seats in the first congressional off year election. It is likely that this one will as well...unless the deplorables stay fired up.Jason P said:I think the GOP is going to lose seats in next election the longer they wait there smiling while this ding dong poops all over the floor.0 -
Of course he's "allowed", legally but his reasons are intellectually dishonest, when combined with the timing. This is a self destructive presidency, chock full of unforced errors and he has ZERO political capital at this point. Ask Devin Nunnes how well going to the bat for Trump works out. Only the lemmings are defending the timing of the dismissal and only the fools believe it has anything to do with the Clinton emails.BS44325 said:0 -
That movie is unwatchable without Rip Torn in that role.BS44325 said:
Patches O'Houlihanrgambs said:
And for the reasons he chooses. Such as the investigation.BS44325 said:
You're dodging, diving, dipping, and ducking, but you aren't dodging!
You have proven yourself quite adept at catching references when they come your way!
The Democratic vote is right thing to do Philadelphia, so do!Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
https://www.google.com/amp/www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-comey-tapes-20170512-story,amp.html#ampshare=http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-comey-tapes-20170512-story.html
Spicer just said they wouldn't comment on this, and denied it was a threat. When pressed if the tweet proved the President was "out of control", Spicer called the question insulting.0 -
Ahhh...very astute but hang on. The point I am making is that for general historical patterns to break something "new and different" must occur. Trump is certainly "new and different"...I don't thing anybody would argue against that...and it is quite possible that his "new and different" can smash what is a general historical norm. My belief is that it is not likely HOWEVER he certainly broke through a generally impenetrable blue wall in the general election. His behaviour, as outrageous as it is, may in fact keep his voting base energized on a level that we don't understand. His strategy (if it is one?) is not wrong.Go Beavers said:
So you choose one of two things to try and support your position: this situation is new and different and trump is shaking things up, so the old ways don't apply, or the let's apply historical patterns to my future predictions because things will stay the same. Not sure you can have both.BS44325 said:
The administration in power usually loses 20+ seats in the first congressional off year election. It is likely that this one will as well...unless the deplorables stay fired up.Jason P said:I think the GOP is going to lose seats in next election the longer they wait there smiling while this ding dong poops all over the floor.
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it may actually have the same affect on the other side, in that it will energize his detractors and the prevously non-voting indifferent.BS44325 said:
Ahhh...very astute but hang on. The point I am making is that for general historical patterns to break something "new and different" must occur. Trump is certainly "new and different"...I don't thing anybody would argue against that...and it is quite possible that his "new and different" can smash what is a general historical norm. My belief is that it is not likely HOWEVER he certainly broke through a generally impenetrable blue wall in the general election. His behaviour, as outrageous as it is, may in fact keep his voting base energized on a level that we don't understand. His strategy (if it is one?) is not wrong.Go Beavers said:
So you choose one of two things to try and support your position: this situation is new and different and trump is shaking things up, so the old ways don't apply, or the let's apply historical patterns to my future predictions because things will stay the same. Not sure you can have both.BS44325 said:
The administration in power usually loses 20+ seats in the first congressional off year election. It is likely that this one will as well...unless the deplorables stay fired up.Jason P said:I think the GOP is going to lose seats in next election the longer they wait there smiling while this ding dong poops all over the floor.
or it may not, as none of it makes a difference to them one way or another. it's all just a big circus and all the clowns are the same.
time will tell.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
i still can't believe how few people vote. and it's not just now. I was looking at historical figures for percentages of elligible voter turnout since the beginning, and it has always hovered around the 50-55 % mark. it's crazy.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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