Has anyone ever witnessed Donald Trump have an in depth conversation about anything pertaining to....anything that matters?
I'm not talking about an 8 minute sit down interview with Fox and Friends, Tucker Carlson or even the Lester Holt interview. I'm talking about in depth discussions about climate change or the economy, or healthcare or explaining how and why we need the wall and how he believes Mexico will actually pay for it?
These are normal things you see a president or candidate for president do all the time to show that he has a grasp on what his job entails--whether it be in a press conference, interview, some kind of round table discussion....anything. But I cannot recall Trump ever doing this. All you get from him are incoherent twitter rants or vague answers to questions in short interviews where he contradicts himself shortly thereafter.
I don't think he is capable of anything more thoughtful or introspective at this point. I believe we are seeing the effects of dementia, and it will only get worse. The guy is disjointed and rambling, and often incoherent. Why the deplorables found these to be excellent qualities for a President to possess is beyond me. Anyway, here's an interesting article: Trump wasn’t always so linguistically challenged. What could explain the change?
"Trump fluently peppered his answers with words and phrases such as “subsided,” “inclination,” “discredited,” “sparring session,” and “a certain innate intelligence.” He tossed off well-turned sentences such as, “It could have been a contentious route,” and, “These are the only casinos in the United States that are so rated.” He even offered thoughtful, articulate aphorisms: “If you get into what’s missing, you don’t appreciate what you have,” and, “Adversity is a very funny thing.”
Now, Trump’s vocabulary is simpler. He repeats himself over and over, and lurches from one subject to an unrelated one, as in this answer during an interview with the Associated Press last month:
“People want the border wall. My base definitely wants the border wall, my base really wants it — you’ve been to many of the rallies. OK, the thing they want more than anything is the wall. My base, which is a big base; I think my base is 45 percent. You know, it’s funny. The Democrats, they have a big advantage in the Electoral College. Big, big, big advantage. … The Electoral College is very difficult for a Republican to win, and I will tell you, the people want to see it. They want to see the wall.”
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Donald Trump Donald Tramp living in the men's shelter Wonder Bread bag shoes and singing "Helter Skelter" He asks for a dollar you know what it's for Bottle after bottle he'll always need more He's no less important than you working class stiffs Drinks a lot of liquor but he don't drink piss Paid his dues playing the blues He claims that he wrote the Blue Suede Shoes Elvis shaved his head when he went into the army That's right y'all his name is Johnny Johnny Ryall, Johnny Ryall
i dislike the man but he is not wrong in this case. you cannot do that to the President. she is trash.
I can't stand Kathy Griffin, but Trump is a moron for expressing himself the way he does on Twitter. I hope people aren't actually getting used to the way he does this. Because it is FUCKED UP. Also, while it may have been an inappropriate thing for her to do, people are way overreacting to it. She's just a goofy C-list celebrity doing a lame political photo shoot. I highly doubt that even the crazies would take that as encouragement to go and try to behead Trump, lol. Also, and I know many have said it, where were all these outraged people when all those lynching effigies happened for Obama? Nowhere. And this is why the outrage now is obviously false.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Just so people know what else is happening in America, president Trump is backing away from the Paris agreement. let keep our eyes on the ball and forget about this stupid photo shoot
Just so people know what else is happening in America, president Trump is backing away from the Paris agreement. let keep our eyes on the ball and forget about this stupid photo shoot
189 other countries signed it. Embarrassing for America IMO.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Just so people know what else is happening in America, president Trump is backing away from the Paris agreement. let keep our eyes on the ball and forget about this stupid photo shoot
Yeah, he's making a statement about how ignorant and stubborn he is. Next, he'll direct Devoes to make sure only flat Earth maps are used in classrooms.
i dislike the man but he is not wrong in this case. you cannot do that to the President. she is trash.
I can't stand Kathy Griffin, but Trump is a moron for expressing himself the way he does on Twitter. I hope people aren't actually getting used to the way he does this. Because it is FUCKED UP. Also, while it may have been an inappropriate thing for her to do, people are way overreacting to it. She's just a goofy C-list celebrity doing a lame political photo shoot. I highly doubt that even the crazies would take that as encouragement to go and try to behead Trump, lol. Also, and I know many have said it, where were all these outraged people when all those lynching effigies happened for Obama? Nowhere. And this is why the outrage now is obviously false.
Absolutely right. Not only do the suddenly sensitive Trump supporters appear to be apoplectic about Griffin's photo, they also say things like "Could you imagine if the same had been done to Obama? The libs would have gone crazy." as if they were completely unaware that the same was done to Obama, over and over again. Fucking hypocritical. Here are a few examples using a quick Google search.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
i dislike the man but he is not wrong in this case. you cannot do that to the President. she is trash.
I can't stand Kathy Griffin, but Trump is a moron for expressing himself the way he does on Twitter. I hope people aren't actually getting used to the way he does this. Because it is FUCKED UP. Also, while it may have been an inappropriate thing for her to do, people are way overreacting to it. She's just a goofy C-list celebrity doing a lame political photo shoot. I highly doubt that even the crazies would take that as encouragement to go and try to behead Trump, lol. Also, and I know many have said it, where were all these outraged people when all those lynching effigies happened for Obama? Nowhere. And this is why the outrage now is obviously false.
Absolutely right. Not only do the suddenly sensitive Trump supporters appear to be apoplectic about Griffin's photo, they also say things like "Could you imagine if the same had been done to Obama? The libs would have gone crazy." as if they were completely unaware that the same was done to Obama, over and over again. Fucking hypocritical. Here are a few examples using a quick Google search.
I just found it interesting that I've seen republicans and personalities on the right be made fun of and flamed on this board for years... name calling, the whole deal... some very well deserved by the way... and then as soon as someone does something anti-trump or anti-right, we are told to not call her names... look, I understand name calling isn't cool, but this goes on all the time...
if we are going to be overly PC about everything, then we need to be consistent whether we like/agree with that person/personality or not
I could say Trump is a bafoon, or a moron, or whatever... i could say Ted Nugent is an asshole, or crazy, or whatever... and nobody bats an eye, ever... but calling Kathy Griffith a moron crosses the line?
i'm not trying to argue here with you Kat, or say you are being purposely unfair, i just thought it would be fair to discuss this a little... we have to admit there is a double standard on this issue committed by all of us? no?
Just so people know what else is happening in America, president Trump is backing away from the Paris agreement. let keep our eyes on the ball and forget about this stupid photo shoot
189 other countries signed it. Embarrassing for America IMO.
The US will be joining two other countries that also declined to join the Paris agreement: Syria and Nicaragua.
Syria didn't join because of its civil war.
Nicaragua didn't join because its government insists the deal isn't tough enough.
Just think about the reason the 2 other countries didn't sign it.
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I just found it interesting that I've seen republicans and personalities on the right be made fun of and flamed on this board for years... name calling, the whole deal... some very well deserved by the way... and then as soon as someone does something anti-trump or anti-right, we are told to not call her names... look, I understand name calling isn't cool, but this goes on all the time...
if we are going to be overly PC about everything, then we need to be consistent whether we like/agree with that person/personality or not
I could say Trump is a bafoon, or a moron, or whatever... i could say Ted Nugent is an asshole, or crazy, or whatever... and nobody bats an eye, ever... but calling Kathy Griffith a moron crosses the line?
i'm not trying to argue here with you Kat, or say you are being purposely unfair, i just thought it would be fair to discuss this a little... we have to admit there is a double standard on this issue committed by all of us? no?
Has anyone ever witnessed Donald Trump have an in depth conversation about anything pertaining to....anything that matters?
I'm not talking about an 8 minute sit down interview with Fox and Friends, Tucker Carlson or even the Lester Holt interview. I'm talking about in depth discussions about climate change or the economy, or healthcare or explaining how and why we need the wall and how he believes Mexico will actually pay for it?
These are normal things you see a president or candidate for president do all the time to show that he has a grasp on what his job entails--whether it be in a press conference, interview, some kind of round table discussion....anything. But I cannot recall Trump ever doing this. All you get from him are incoherent twitter rants or vague answers to questions in short interviews where he contradicts himself shortly thereafter.
You lost trump when you wrote "in depth". He has none.
if Clint Eastwood had posed for a picture with a beheaded Obama doll, the liberals would have GONE BERSERK. I'm all for freedom of expression, but I don't think that was cool at all.
Clint Eastwood compared to who, again?
insert comparable conservative actor/comedian as you wish. the reaction would have been the same.
As someone previously said, Clint is an A-lister, world renowned actor and director with Oscar Awards. And he spoke to an empty chair to great applause at the republican convention. I still don't know who this Kathy is, never heard of her. Maybe Dennis Miller? Tim Allen? But even they're bigger brand names than this Kathy person. Still, poor taste and its being widely condemned in the liberal, fake news. Trump will play it for all its worth because he's a shallow, shallow man.
Daniel Larison (American Conservative Magazine) had a solid assessment of Trump's overseas trip. Take a read. I'd love to hear thoughts on it.
H.R. McMaster and Gary Cohn gamely try to spin Trump’s foreign trip as something other than the failure that it clearly was:
President Trump just returned from nine days in the Middle East and Europe that demonstrated his America First approach to ensuring security and prosperity for our nation. America will not lead from behind. This administration will restore confidence in American leadership as we serve the American people.
It is a given that a president’s top advisers will do their best to put a favorably spin on his actions as much as they can, but this is exceptionally thin gruel. No one outside the administration believes that Trump “restored confidence” in American leadership on this trip or that he is likely to do so in the future. The only relationship that Trump “deepened” during his time overseas was with the Saudis, and this is the one relationship from which the U.S. should trying to extricate itself as quickly as possible. McMaster and Cohn obediently claim that “President Trump helped facilitate $110 billion in defense investments that will strengthen regional and American security and create American jobs,” but there are good reasons to doubt all of this. Selling the Saudis more weapons just encourages them to continue brutalizing and starving their Yemeni neighbors, which definitely doesn’t serve American security interests and likely makes Saudi Arabia less secure in the future as well. It definitely contributes to regional instability, strengthens Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), and likely helps worsen the world’s humanitarian crisis.
As for creating jobs here in the U.S., the picture is not nearly as clear-cut as the administration would like you to believe. It is entirely possible that the latest arms deal with the Saudis won’t produce any new jobs at all. Justin Glawe looked into this question last week, and this is what he found:
Is there any way for Raytheon to estimate how many jobs the deal will create? “No,” said the spokesman, Mike Doble.
Lockheed Martin’s chief executive said in a statement that the deal would “support” thousands of jobs in the United States and Saudi Arabia. Boeing said the deal would “create or sustain” jobs in both countries. Neither company would put a specific number on new jobs being created in the United States.
Whatever limited benefit a few companies might derive from this deal, it implicates the U.S. in war crimes and sinks us deeper into the mire of an atrocious war that our government should never have supported. McMaster and Cohn don’t mention any of this, but then there is no way that they could put a positive spin on our ongoing enabling of the destruction of an entire country. Our policy of supporting the Saudi-led war on Yemen is indefensible, and no U.S. officials dare attempt to defend it. The truth is that the U.S. under Trump has shamelessly embraced our worst clients, irritated our closest allies, and done nothing that actually advances U.S. interests at all. That has nothing to do with putting America first, and it has everything to do with prioritizing the interests of the governments that do the most to flatter the president’s ego.
Daniel Larison (American Conservative Magazine) had a solid assessment of Trump's overseas trip. Take a read. I'd love to hear thoughts on it.
H.R. McMaster and Gary Cohn gamely try to spin Trump’s foreign trip as something other than the failure that it clearly was:
President Trump just returned from nine days in the Middle East and Europe that demonstrated his America First approach to ensuring security and prosperity for our nation. America will not lead from behind. This administration will restore confidence in American leadership as we serve the American people.
It is a given that a president’s top advisers will do their best to put a favorably spin on his actions as much as they can, but this is exceptionally thin gruel. No one outside the administration believes that Trump “restored confidence” in American leadership on this trip or that he is likely to do so in the future. The only relationship that Trump “deepened” during his time overseas was with the Saudis, and this is the one relationship from which the U.S. should trying to extricate itself as quickly as possible. McMaster and Cohn obediently claim that “President Trump helped facilitate $110 billion in defense investments that will strengthen regional and American security and create American jobs,” but there are good reasons to doubt all of this. Selling the Saudis more weapons just encourages them to continue brutalizing and starving their Yemeni neighbors, which definitely doesn’t serve American security interests and likely makes Saudi Arabia less secure in the future as well. It definitely contributes to regional instability, strengthens Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), and likely helps worsen the world’s humanitarian crisis.
As for creating jobs here in the U.S., the picture is not nearly as clear-cut as the administration would like you to believe. It is entirely possible that the latest arms deal with the Saudis won’t produce any new jobs at all. Justin Glawe looked into this question last week, and this is what he found:
Is there any way for Raytheon to estimate how many jobs the deal will create? “No,” said the spokesman, Mike Doble.
Lockheed Martin’s chief executive said in a statement that the deal would “support” thousands of jobs in the United States and Saudi Arabia. Boeing said the deal would “create or sustain” jobs in both countries. Neither company would put a specific number on new jobs being created in the United States.
Whatever limited benefit a few companies might derive from this deal, it implicates the U.S. in war crimes and sinks us deeper into the mire of an atrocious war that our government should never have supported. McMaster and Cohn don’t mention any of this, but then there is no way that they could put a positive spin on our ongoing enabling of the destruction of an entire country. Our policy of supporting the Saudi-led war on Yemen is indefensible, and no U.S. officials dare attempt to defend it. The truth is that the U.S. under Trump has shamelessly embraced our worst clients, irritated our closest allies, and done nothing that actually advances U.S. interests at all. That has nothing to do with putting America first, and it has everything to do with prioritizing the interests of the governments that do the most to flatter the president’s ego.
For some reason, Iraq and Iran came to my mind. :(
Daniel Larison (American Conservative Magazine) had a solid assessment of Trump's overseas trip. Take a read. I'd love to hear thoughts on it.
H.R. McMaster and Gary Cohn gamely try to spin Trump’s foreign trip as something other than the failure that it clearly was:
President Trump just returned from nine days in the Middle East and Europe that demonstrated his America First approach to ensuring security and prosperity for our nation. America will not lead from behind. This administration will restore confidence in American leadership as we serve the American people.
It is a given that a president’s top advisers will do their best to put a favorably spin on his actions as much as they can, but this is exceptionally thin gruel. No one outside the administration believes that Trump “restored confidence” in American leadership on this trip or that he is likely to do so in the future. The only relationship that Trump “deepened” during his time overseas was with the Saudis, and this is the one relationship from which the U.S. should trying to extricate itself as quickly as possible. McMaster and Cohn obediently claim that “President Trump helped facilitate $110 billion in defense investments that will strengthen regional and American security and create American jobs,” but there are good reasons to doubt all of this. Selling the Saudis more weapons just encourages them to continue brutalizing and starving their Yemeni neighbors, which definitely doesn’t serve American security interests and likely makes Saudi Arabia less secure in the future as well. It definitely contributes to regional instability, strengthens Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), and likely helps worsen the world’s humanitarian crisis.
As for creating jobs here in the U.S., the picture is not nearly as clear-cut as the administration would like you to believe. It is entirely possible that the latest arms deal with the Saudis won’t produce any new jobs at all. Justin Glawe looked into this question last week, and this is what he found:
Is there any way for Raytheon to estimate how many jobs the deal will create? “No,” said the spokesman, Mike Doble.
Lockheed Martin’s chief executive said in a statement that the deal would “support” thousands of jobs in the United States and Saudi Arabia. Boeing said the deal would “create or sustain” jobs in both countries. Neither company would put a specific number on new jobs being created in the United States.
Whatever limited benefit a few companies might derive from this deal, it implicates the U.S. in war crimes and sinks us deeper into the mire of an atrocious war that our government should never have supported. McMaster and Cohn don’t mention any of this, but then there is no way that they could put a positive spin on our ongoing enabling of the destruction of an entire country. Our policy of supporting the Saudi-led war on Yemen is indefensible, and no U.S. officials dare attempt to defend it. The truth is that the U.S. under Trump has shamelessly embraced our worst clients, irritated our closest allies, and done nothing that actually advances U.S. interests at all. That has nothing to do with putting America first, and it has everything to do with prioritizing the interests of the governments that do the most to flatter the president’s ego.
For some reason, Iraq and Iran came to my mind. :(
The war in Yemen is a travesty. Yet as far as we know, Trump has not acknowledged or discussed it. He seems content to make nice with autocrats (Putin, Duerte, Saudis) and the most illiberal governments, yet can't help but insult our closest allies. It literally makes zero sense. I don't get it.
I'm not sure why celebrity status has anything to do with the outrage we're supposed to feel over it.
Thanks for the explanation of television mind rot as even though a fan of Seinfeld, I don't have a photographic memory of episodes and catch phrases from past episodes like some people. I can honestly say I've never seen this Kathy woman's comedy.
I think its degrees of outrage Hugh. Someone clamoring for attention versus someone who would obviously be making a point and firing up their base. This stunt reeks of desperation and was clearly in very poor taste and as such, was widely condemned by the left. I'm not sure the right would be so quick to condemn Clint Eastwood or Rob Schneider or Dennis Miller if they had pulled the stunt with Obama's head.
Daniel Larison (American Conservative Magazine) had a solid assessment of Trump's overseas trip. Take a read. I'd love to hear thoughts on it.
H.R. McMaster and Gary Cohn gamely try to spin Trump’s foreign trip as something other than the failure that it clearly was:
President Trump just returned from nine days in the Middle East and Europe that demonstrated his America First approach to ensuring security and prosperity for our nation. America will not lead from behind. This administration will restore confidence in American leadership as we serve the American people.
It is a given that a president’s top advisers will do their best to put a favorably spin on his actions as much as they can, but this is exceptionally thin gruel. No one outside the administration believes that Trump “restored confidence” in American leadership on this trip or that he is likely to do so in the future. The only relationship that Trump “deepened” during his time overseas was with the Saudis, and this is the one relationship from which the U.S. should trying to extricate itself as quickly as possible. McMaster and Cohn obediently claim that “President Trump helped facilitate $110 billion in defense investments that will strengthen regional and American security and create American jobs,” but there are good reasons to doubt all of this. Selling the Saudis more weapons just encourages them to continue brutalizing and starving their Yemeni neighbors, which definitely doesn’t serve American security interests and likely makes Saudi Arabia less secure in the future as well. It definitely contributes to regional instability, strengthens Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), and likely helps worsen the world’s humanitarian crisis.
As for creating jobs here in the U.S., the picture is not nearly as clear-cut as the administration would like you to believe. It is entirely possible that the latest arms deal with the Saudis won’t produce any new jobs at all. Justin Glawe looked into this question last week, and this is what he found:
Is there any way for Raytheon to estimate how many jobs the deal will create? “No,” said the spokesman, Mike Doble.
Lockheed Martin’s chief executive said in a statement that the deal would “support” thousands of jobs in the United States and Saudi Arabia. Boeing said the deal would “create or sustain” jobs in both countries. Neither company would put a specific number on new jobs being created in the United States.
Whatever limited benefit a few companies might derive from this deal, it implicates the U.S. in war crimes and sinks us deeper into the mire of an atrocious war that our government should never have supported. McMaster and Cohn don’t mention any of this, but then there is no way that they could put a positive spin on our ongoing enabling of the destruction of an entire country. Our policy of supporting the Saudi-led war on Yemen is indefensible, and no U.S. officials dare attempt to defend it. The truth is that the U.S. under Trump has shamelessly embraced our worst clients, irritated our closest allies, and done nothing that actually advances U.S. interests at all. That has nothing to do with putting America first, and it has everything to do with prioritizing the interests of the governments that do the most to flatter the president’s ego.
Saudi Arabia appreciates America's leadership in the world and the EU is a crumbling failure that thinks it knows better than everyone else, or some such brilliant nonsense.
WI 6/27/98 WI 10/8/00 MO 10/11/00 IL 4/23/03 MN 6/26/06 MN 6/27/06 WI 6/30/06 IL 8/5/07 IL 8/21/08 (EV) IL 8/22/08 (EV) IL 8/23/09 IL 8/24/09 IN 5/7/10 IL 6/28/11 (EV) IL 6/29/11 (EV) WI 9/3/11 WI 9/4/11 IL 7/19/13 NE 10/09/14 IL 10/17/14 MN 10/19/14 FL 4/11/16 IL 8/20/16 IL 8/22/16 IL 08/18/18 IL 08/20/18 IT 07/05/2020AT 07/07/2020
Daniel Larison (American Conservative Magazine) had a solid assessment of Trump's overseas trip. Take a read. I'd love to hear thoughts on it.
H.R. McMaster and Gary Cohn gamely try to spin Trump’s foreign trip as something other than the failure that it clearly was:
President Trump just returned from nine days in the Middle East and Europe that demonstrated his America First approach to ensuring security and prosperity for our nation. America will not lead from behind. This administration will restore confidence in American leadership as we serve the American people.
It is a given that a president’s top advisers will do their best to put a favorably spin on his actions as much as they can, but this is exceptionally thin gruel. No one outside the administration believes that Trump “restored confidence” in American leadership on this trip or that he is likely to do so in the future. The only relationship that Trump “deepened” during his time overseas was with the Saudis, and this is the one relationship from which the U.S. should trying to extricate itself as quickly as possible. McMaster and Cohn obediently claim that “President Trump helped facilitate $110 billion in defense investments that will strengthen regional and American security and create American jobs,” but there are good reasons to doubt all of this. Selling the Saudis more weapons just encourages them to continue brutalizing and starving their Yemeni neighbors, which definitely doesn’t serve American security interests and likely makes Saudi Arabia less secure in the future as well. It definitely contributes to regional instability, strengthens Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), and likely helps worsen the world’s humanitarian crisis.
As for creating jobs here in the U.S., the picture is not nearly as clear-cut as the administration would like you to believe. It is entirely possible that the latest arms deal with the Saudis won’t produce any new jobs at all. Justin Glawe looked into this question last week, and this is what he found:
Is there any way for Raytheon to estimate how many jobs the deal will create? “No,” said the spokesman, Mike Doble.
Lockheed Martin’s chief executive said in a statement that the deal would “support” thousands of jobs in the United States and Saudi Arabia. Boeing said the deal would “create or sustain” jobs in both countries. Neither company would put a specific number on new jobs being created in the United States.
Whatever limited benefit a few companies might derive from this deal, it implicates the U.S. in war crimes and sinks us deeper into the mire of an atrocious war that our government should never have supported. McMaster and Cohn don’t mention any of this, but then there is no way that they could put a positive spin on our ongoing enabling of the destruction of an entire country. Our policy of supporting the Saudi-led war on Yemen is indefensible, and no U.S. officials dare attempt to defend it. The truth is that the U.S. under Trump has shamelessly embraced our worst clients, irritated our closest allies, and done nothing that actually advances U.S. interests at all. That has nothing to do with putting America first, and it has everything to do with prioritizing the interests of the governments that do the most to flatter the president’s ego.
For some reason, Iraq and Iran came to my mind. :(
The war in Yemen is a travesty. Yet as far as we know, Trump has not acknowledged or discussed it. He seems content to make nice with autocrats (Putin, Duerte, Saudis) and the most illiberal governments, yet can't help but insult our closest allies. It literally makes zero sense. I don't get it.
did Obama acknowledge or discuss the war in Yemen and our support/arming of Saudi Arabia in that war? Yemen didn't start under Trump...
if Clint Eastwood had posed for a picture with a beheaded Obama doll, the liberals would have GONE BERSERK. I'm all for freedom of expression, but I don't think that was cool at all.
Clint Eastwood compared to who, again?
insert comparable conservative actor/comedian as you wish. the reaction would have been the same.
As someone previously said, Clint is an A-lister, world renowned actor and director with Oscar Awards. And he spoke to an empty chair to great applause at the republican convention. I still don't know who this Kathy is, never heard of her. Maybe Dennis Miller? Tim Allen? But even they're bigger brand names than this Kathy person. Still, poor taste and its being widely condemned in the liberal, fake news. Trump will play it for all its worth because he's a shallow, shallow man.
Kathy Griffin. She was on Suddenly Susan. Had a bit part on Seinfeld for an episode or two (Susan's roommate Sally Weaver from college, she brought Jerry the wrong BBQ sauce, she did a standup on Seinfeld called Jerry Seinfeld is the Devil, etc). She often is a cohost of new years eve shows. I've seen her standup, and it's not good.
Off-topic, but that was the worst Seinfeld ever. The idea of people finding that "comedy routine" about Jerry funny was just too hard to swallow.
I think the absurdity of her routine was intentional.
Daniel Larison (American Conservative Magazine) had a solid assessment of Trump's overseas trip. Take a read. I'd love to hear thoughts on it.
H.R. McMaster and Gary Cohn gamely try to spin Trump’s foreign trip as something other than the failure that it clearly was:
President Trump just returned from nine days in the Middle East and Europe that demonstrated his America First approach to ensuring security and prosperity for our nation. America will not lead from behind. This administration will restore confidence in American leadership as we serve the American people.
It is a given that a president’s top advisers will do their best to put a favorably spin on his actions as much as they can, but this is exceptionally thin gruel. No one outside the administration believes that Trump “restored confidence” in American leadership on this trip or that he is likely to do so in the future. The only relationship that Trump “deepened” during his time overseas was with the Saudis, and this is the one relationship from which the U.S. should trying to extricate itself as quickly as possible. McMaster and Cohn obediently claim that “President Trump helped facilitate $110 billion in defense investments that will strengthen regional and American security and create American jobs,” but there are good reasons to doubt all of this. Selling the Saudis more weapons just encourages them to continue brutalizing and starving their Yemeni neighbors, which definitely doesn’t serve American security interests and likely makes Saudi Arabia less secure in the future as well. It definitely contributes to regional instability, strengthens Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), and likely helps worsen the world’s humanitarian crisis.
As for creating jobs here in the U.S., the picture is not nearly as clear-cut as the administration would like you to believe. It is entirely possible that the latest arms deal with the Saudis won’t produce any new jobs at all. Justin Glawe looked into this question last week, and this is what he found:
Is there any way for Raytheon to estimate how many jobs the deal will create? “No,” said the spokesman, Mike Doble.
Lockheed Martin’s chief executive said in a statement that the deal would “support” thousands of jobs in the United States and Saudi Arabia. Boeing said the deal would “create or sustain” jobs in both countries. Neither company would put a specific number on new jobs being created in the United States.
Whatever limited benefit a few companies might derive from this deal, it implicates the U.S. in war crimes and sinks us deeper into the mire of an atrocious war that our government should never have supported. McMaster and Cohn don’t mention any of this, but then there is no way that they could put a positive spin on our ongoing enabling of the destruction of an entire country. Our policy of supporting the Saudi-led war on Yemen is indefensible, and no U.S. officials dare attempt to defend it. The truth is that the U.S. under Trump has shamelessly embraced our worst clients, irritated our closest allies, and done nothing that actually advances U.S. interests at all. That has nothing to do with putting America first, and it has everything to do with prioritizing the interests of the governments that do the most to flatter the president’s ego.
For some reason, Iraq and Iran came to my mind. :(
The war in Yemen is a travesty. Yet as far as we know, Trump has not acknowledged or discussed it. He seems content to make nice with autocrats (Putin, Duerte, Saudis) and the most illiberal governments, yet can't help but insult our closest allies. It literally makes zero sense. I don't get it.
did Obama acknowledge or discuss the war in Yemen and our support/arming of Saudi Arabia in that war? Yemen didn't start under Trump...
I agree with you, Obama didn't really do much concerning the war in Yemen
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Oh ah, what we got here is a failure to communicate......Ive been out of the news what is going with all these posts im reading about Kathy Griffin.....what did she do?
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Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
If / when Trump gets convicted of treason, Kathy Griffin gets to pull the lever, right? Like, she called dibs?
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I'm not sure why celebrity status has anything to do with the outrage we're supposed to feel over it.
Thanks for the explanation of television mind rot as even though a fan of Seinfeld, I don't have a photographic memory of episodes and catch phrases from past episodes like some people. I can honestly say I've never seen this Kathy woman's comedy.
I think its degrees of outrage Hugh. Someone clamoring for attention versus someone who would obviously be making a point and firing up their base. This stunt reeks of desperation and was clearly in very poor taste and as such, was widely condemned by the left. I'm not sure the right would be so quick to condemn Clint Eastwood or Rob Schneider or Dennis Miller if they had pulled the stunt with Obama's head.
Well, it worked for her, anyway. She's not actually an idiot. She knew exactly what would happen with this, and did it anyway, because for her, any attention is better than no attention. That is what her entire career is built on and essentially how she earns her money .... Republicans and/or Trump supporters should actually appreciate that kind of thinking, no?
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I don't think he is capable of anything more thoughtful or introspective at this point. I believe we are seeing the effects of dementia, and it will only get worse. The guy is disjointed and rambling, and often incoherent. Why the deplorables found these to be excellent qualities for a President to possess is beyond me. Anyway, here's an interesting article: Trump wasn’t always so linguistically challenged. What could explain the change?
"Trump fluently peppered his answers with words and phrases such as “subsided,” “inclination,” “discredited,” “sparring session,” and “a certain innate intelligence.” He tossed off well-turned sentences such as, “It could have been a contentious route,” and, “These are the only casinos in the United States that are so rated.” He even offered thoughtful, articulate aphorisms: “If you get into what’s missing, you don’t appreciate what you have,” and, “Adversity is a very funny thing.”
Now, Trump’s vocabulary is simpler. He repeats himself over and over, and lurches from one subject to an unrelated one, as in this answer during an interview with the Associated Press last month:
“People want the border wall. My base definitely wants the border wall, my base really wants it — you’ve been to many of the rallies. OK, the thing they want more than anything is the wall. My base, which is a big base; I think my base is 45 percent. You know, it’s funny. The Democrats, they have a big advantage in the Electoral College. Big, big, big advantage. … The Electoral College is very difficult for a Republican to win, and I will tell you, the people want to see it. They want to see the wall.”
Wonder Bread bag shoes and singing "Helter Skelter"
He asks for a dollar you know what it's for
Bottle after bottle he'll always need more
He's no less important than you working class stiffs
Drinks a lot of liquor but he don't drink piss
Paid his dues playing the blues
He claims that he wrote the Blue Suede Shoes
Elvis shaved his head when he went into the army
That's right y'all his name is
Johnny
Johnny Ryall, Johnny Ryall
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I just found it interesting that I've seen republicans and personalities on the right be made fun of and flamed on this board for years... name calling, the whole deal... some very well deserved by the way... and then as soon as someone does something anti-trump or anti-right, we are told to not call her names... look, I understand name calling isn't cool, but this goes on all the time...
if we are going to be overly PC about everything, then we need to be consistent whether we like/agree with that person/personality or not
I could say Trump is a bafoon, or a moron, or whatever... i could say Ted Nugent is an asshole, or crazy, or whatever... and nobody bats an eye, ever... but calling Kathy Griffith a moron crosses the line?
i'm not trying to argue here with you Kat, or say you are being purposely unfair, i just thought it would be fair to discuss this a little... we have to admit there is a double standard on this issue committed by all of us? no?
The US will be joining two other countries that also declined to join the Paris agreement: Syria and Nicaragua.
- Syria didn't join because of its civil war.
- Nicaragua didn't join because its government insists the deal isn't tough enough.
Just think about the reason the 2 other countries didn't sign it.Yeah there's clearly a double standard here
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H.R. McMaster and Gary Cohn gamely try to spin Trump’s foreign trip as something other than the failure that it clearly was:
It is a given that a president’s top advisers will do their best to put a favorably spin on his actions as much as they can, but this is exceptionally thin gruel. No one outside the administration believes that Trump “restored confidence” in American leadership on this trip or that he is likely to do so in the future. The only relationship that Trump “deepened” during his time overseas was with the Saudis, and this is the one relationship from which the U.S. should trying to extricate itself as quickly as possible. McMaster and Cohn obediently claim that “President Trump helped facilitate $110 billion in defense investments that will strengthen regional and American security and create American jobs,” but there are good reasons to doubt all of this. Selling the Saudis more weapons just encourages them to continue brutalizing and starving their Yemeni neighbors, which definitely doesn’t serve American security interests and likely makes Saudi Arabia less secure in the future as well. It definitely contributes to regional instability, strengthens Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), and likely helps worsen the world’s humanitarian crisis.
As for creating jobs here in the U.S., the picture is not nearly as clear-cut as the administration would like you to believe. It is entirely possible that the latest arms deal with the Saudis won’t produce any new jobs at all. Justin Glawe looked into this question last week, and this is what he found:
Whatever limited benefit a few companies might derive from this deal, it implicates the U.S. in war crimes and sinks us deeper into the mire of an atrocious war that our government should never have supported. McMaster and Cohn don’t mention any of this, but then there is no way that they could put a positive spin on our ongoing enabling of the destruction of an entire country. Our policy of supporting the Saudi-led war on Yemen is indefensible, and no U.S. officials dare attempt to defend it. The truth is that the U.S. under Trump has shamelessly embraced our worst clients, irritated our closest allies, and done nothing that actually advances U.S. interests at all. That has nothing to do with putting America first, and it has everything to do with prioritizing the interests of the governments that do the most to flatter the president’s ego.
For some reason, Iraq and Iran came to my mind. :(
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Thanks for the explanation of television mind rot as even though a fan of Seinfeld, I don't have a photographic memory of episodes and catch phrases from past episodes like some people. I can honestly say I've never seen this Kathy woman's comedy.
I think its degrees of outrage Hugh. Someone clamoring for attention versus someone who would obviously be making a point and firing up their base. This stunt reeks of desperation and was clearly in very poor taste and as such, was widely condemned by the left. I'm not sure the right would be so quick to condemn Clint Eastwood or Rob Schneider or Dennis Miller if they had pulled the stunt with Obama's head.
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Saudi Arabia appreciates America's leadership in the world and the EU is a crumbling failure that thinks it knows better than everyone else, or some such brilliant nonsense.
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
If / when Trump gets convicted of treason, Kathy Griffin gets to pull the lever, right? Like, she called dibs?