Donald Trump

Go Beavers

HughFreakingDillon said:

everyone here saying obama was engaged and trump is not have zero proof of this. it is all just assumptions based on what you hear from the media and leaks from inside the WH. 

I hate trump as much as the next guy, but come on. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

everyone here saying obama was engaged and trump is not have zero proof of this. it is all just assumptions based on what you hear from the media and leaks from inside the WH. 

I hate trump as much as the next guy, but come on. 

I give validity to many of the leaks. But it’s also been his work style previous to being presidentand what people who have worked with him in the past have said.  

Go Beavers

mcgruff10 said:

oftenreading said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

playing devil's advocate here:

why does everyone give obama credit for bin laden but give trump zero credit when high ranking ISIS militants are captured/killed? you can't have both. did trump have anything to do with it? doubtful, but he likely still had to be in on it and possibly give his blessing. I highly doubt Obama was in on the planning of capturing bin laden. he merely listened to his generals and gave the ok to go in and got a picture taken while he watched it on tv. 

I think it’s safe to say that Obama listened to the options presented by the officers, discussed the pros and cons, weighed the options and gave the go ahead for his choice. It’s unlikely that the same can be said of Trump. 

My god are you serious?
Yes the majority of you hate Trump and think he's an idiot but he's a successful businessman who's a freaking billionaire, who beat out 15 (?) other republican candidates and beat Clinton.  He is definitely not as dumb as some of you make him out to be.  Yes he should put down his twitter account and he sucks at public speaking but I do think he's a very smart man. 
You guys all have fun just agreeing with each other.

What you’re using as evidence of trump’s intelligence are actually just a result of the image he has sold. It got him a tv show and it got him elected. He’s a con man. 

my2hands

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2018/01/25/obamas-isis-policy-is-working-for-trump/

rgambs

He's a great self-promoter that's what he is.  Unfortunately, that equates to fame and money in our sad culture.

Halifax2TheMax

my2hands said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2018/01/25/obamas-isis-policy-is-working-for-trump/

How can you defend a guy who said this, "and casting Obama as weak, and the “founder of ISIS?"

HughFreakingDillon

Go Beavers said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

everyone here saying obama was engaged and trump is not have zero proof of this. it is all just assumptions based on what you hear from the media and leaks from inside the WH. 

I hate trump as much as the next guy, but come on. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

everyone here saying obama was engaged and trump is not have zero proof of this. it is all just assumptions based on what you hear from the media and leaks from inside the WH. 

I hate trump as much as the next guy, but come on. 

I give validity to many of the leaks. But it’s also been his work style previous to being presidentand what people who have worked with him in the past have said.  

fine, but how on one hand can people give him zero credit for positive things yet blame him for all of the negative things? either he's responsible or he's not. 

OnWis97

Tiki said:

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That's why I spend time on that other site.  

Rattling the ECHO CHAMBER.

Pardon my ignorance but what other site?

ikiT

OnWis97 said:

Tiki said:

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That's why I spend time on that other site.  

Rattling the ECHO CHAMBER.

Pardon my ignorance but what other site?

It rhymes with NOTSMART

HughFreakingDillon

OnWis97 said:

Tiki said:

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That's why I spend time on that other site.  

Rattling the ECHO CHAMBER.

Pardon my ignorance but what other site?

Breitbart. 

tbergs

HughFreakingDillon said:

Go Beavers said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

everyone here saying obama was engaged and trump is not have zero proof of this. it is all just assumptions based on what you hear from the media and leaks from inside the WH. 

I hate trump as much as the next guy, but come on. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

everyone here saying obama was engaged and trump is not have zero proof of this. it is all just assumptions based on what you hear from the media and leaks from inside the WH. 

I hate trump as much as the next guy, but come on. 

I give validity to many of the leaks. But it’s also been his work style previous to being presidentand what people who have worked with him in the past have said.  

fine, but how on one hand can people give him zero credit for positive things yet blame him for all of the negative things? either he's responsible or he's not. 

If you become a supervisor of a productive organization and you stay the course of your predecessor you don't get credit for anything besides not screwing up a good thing by implementing changes where they aren't needed. I guess you can give credit for recognizing not to change effective methods and practices, but anything you change which results in a negative (wealth, employee turn over, job satisfaction, effectiveness, etc.) you are going to own it. I don't think credit is the right term here. Trump has not destroyed the economy or started a war, but several of the measures he has taken have started tipping the scales back the other way. It's just that these moves take time to fully be felt on an entire country. I just don't see where he gets credit for anything at this point? Credit for passing his tax bill? Ok, sure. Do I think it's good credit? No, but I guess we can give him credit for doing what he said, just like ISIS takes credit for terrorist attacks. They both did what they said, but it doesn't mean it's good.

Gern Blansten

Trump steaks
Trump water
Trump vodka
Trump University

yeah...quite a successful businessman.  

Trump is an absolute piece of shit.  

dignin

tbergs said:

I don't see what the concern is here. If a Trump supporter wants to come on this thread and state why they think things are going well they are free to do so. Yes, they will face rebuttals, that should be expected. There is also nothing stopping someone who is in agreement with his policies or actions to come on here and rebut anyone who thinks otherwise. I think the main reason you don't see it happen very often is because it is hard to speak for anything he does because of the terrible person he is. You might as well go to the Bill Cosby or Harvey Weinstein threads and try to proclaim the great things they did and see where that gets you as well. Terrible people may momentarily be able to hide or conceal their true self by doing something that seems great, but that should not allow their acts to be forgiven or forgotten unless they make a change and seek forgiveness through acknowledgement of their misdeeds.

Good point.

Gern Blansten

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyONt_ZH_aw

Steaks so great they didn't sell...

HughFreakingDillon

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Go Beavers said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

everyone here saying obama was engaged and trump is not have zero proof of this. it is all just assumptions based on what you hear from the media and leaks from inside the WH. 

I hate trump as much as the next guy, but come on. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

everyone here saying obama was engaged and trump is not have zero proof of this. it is all just assumptions based on what you hear from the media and leaks from inside the WH. 

I hate trump as much as the next guy, but come on. 

I give validity to many of the leaks. But it’s also been his work style previous to being presidentand what people who have worked with him in the past have said.  

fine, but how on one hand can people give him zero credit for positive things yet blame him for all of the negative things? either he's responsible or he's not. 

If you become a supervisor of a productive organization and you stay the course of your predecessor you don't get credit for anything besides not screwing up a good thing by implementing changes where they aren't needed. I guess you can give credit for recognizing not to change effective methods and practices, but anything you change which results in a negative (wealth, employee turn over, job satisfaction, effectiveness, etc.) you are going to own it. I don't think credit is the right term here. Trump has not destroyed the economy or started a war, but several of the measures he has taken have started tipping the scales back the other way. It's just that these moves take time to fully be felt on an entire country. I just don't see where he gets credit for anything at this point? Credit for passing his tax bill? Ok, sure. Do I think it's good credit? No, but I guess we can give him credit for doing what he said, just like ISIS takes credit for terrorist attacks. They both did what they said, but it doesn't mean it's good.

I get that. I laugh when I hear the those on the left give democrats credit for things in the first few months of their term, but then turn around and say to a republican "well, it was like that when you took office". 

But I'm talking about NK and ISIS specifically. Do I think he had anything to do with the Koreas coming to the table? Not sure. I'm skeptical. Although Moon says differently, and out of him and Un, I'd believe Moon quite a bit more. But Moon might just be playing the game with Trump to let Trump think he did it. 

But my point is that most people here just default to "Trump had zero to do with that" with very little to zero to factually back that up. The response is always the same. "he watches tv all day". Yes, yes, I understand context and who we're talking about. But that doesn't work in every individual instance. 

I think he's a tool. But not everyone in his admin is. and even a tool who knows/thinks he knows what he wants can still get shit done. 

OnWis97

Gern Blansten said:

Trump steaks
Trump water
Trump vodka
Trump University

yeah...quite a successful businessman.  

Trump is an absolute piece of shit.  

Given his relationships, you'd think the vodka could have been a success.

Gern Blansten

dignin said:

tbergs said:

I don't see what the concern is here. If a Trump supporter wants to come on this thread and state why they think things are going well they are free to do so. Yes, they will face rebuttals, that should be expected. There is also nothing stopping someone who is in agreement with his policies or actions to come on here and rebut anyone who thinks otherwise. I think the main reason you don't see it happen very often is because it is hard to speak for anything he does because of the terrible person he is. You might as well go to the Bill Cosby or Harvey Weinstein threads and try to proclaim the great things they did and see where that gets you as well. Terrible people may momentarily be able to hide or conceal their true self by doing something that seems great, but that should not allow their acts to be forgiven or forgotten unless they make a change and seek forgiveness through acknowledgement of their misdeeds.

Good point.

yes...well said

tbergs

dignin said:

tbergs said:

I don't see what the concern is here. If a Trump supporter wants to come on this thread and state why they think things are going well they are free to do so. Yes, they will face rebuttals, that should be expected. There is also nothing stopping someone who is in agreement with his policies or actions to come on here and rebut anyone who thinks otherwise. I think the main reason you don't see it happen very often is because it is hard to speak for anything he does because of the terrible person he is. You might as well go to the Bill Cosby or Harvey Weinstein threads and try to proclaim the great things they did and see where that gets you as well. Terrible people may momentarily be able to hide or conceal their true self by doing something that seems great, but that should not allow their acts to be forgiven or forgotten unless they make a change and seek forgiveness through acknowledgement of their misdeeds.

Good point.

And just for the record, I don't think Trump has done anything even remotely great besides market himself and sell his con to 40% of the country.

HughFreakingDillon

I can see why someone who supports trump or even any of his policies wouldn't come here. They get piled on almost immediately "YOU OWN THIS DECISION!" "YOU'RE THE REASON PEOPLE ARE BEING RIPPED AWAY FROM THEIR FAMILIES!". "DO YOU KNOW ANY GOOD NAZIS?" "(INSERT RACIST BY ASSOCIATION CLAIM HERE!)" are but a few of the shoutings I've seen on AMT. 

oftenreading

HughFreakingDillon said:

tbergs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Go Beavers said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

everyone here saying obama was engaged and trump is not have zero proof of this. it is all just assumptions based on what you hear from the media and leaks from inside the WH. 

I hate trump as much as the next guy, but come on. 

HughFreakingDillon said:

everyone here saying obama was engaged and trump is not have zero proof of this. it is all just assumptions based on what you hear from the media and leaks from inside the WH. 

I hate trump as much as the next guy, but come on. 

I give validity to many of the leaks. But it’s also been his work style previous to being presidentand what people who have worked with him in the past have said.  

fine, but how on one hand can people give him zero credit for positive things yet blame him for all of the negative things? either he's responsible or he's not. 

If you become a supervisor of a productive organization and you stay the course of your predecessor you don't get credit for anything besides not screwing up a good thing by implementing changes where they aren't needed. I guess you can give credit for recognizing not to change effective methods and practices, but anything you change which results in a negative (wealth, employee turn over, job satisfaction, effectiveness, etc.) you are going to own it. I don't think credit is the right term here. Trump has not destroyed the economy or started a war, but several of the measures he has taken have started tipping the scales back the other way. It's just that these moves take time to fully be felt on an entire country. I just don't see where he gets credit for anything at this point? Credit for passing his tax bill? Ok, sure. Do I think it's good credit? No, but I guess we can give him credit for doing what he said, just like ISIS takes credit for terrorist attacks. They both did what they said, but it doesn't mean it's good.

I get that. I laugh when I hear the those on the left give democrats credit for things in the first few months of their term, but then turn around and say to a republican "well, it was like that when you took office". 

But I'm talking about NK and ISIS specifically. Do I think he had anything to do with the Koreas coming to the table? Not sure. I'm skeptical. Although Moon says differently, and out of him and Un, I'd believe Moon quite a bit more. But Moon might just be playing the game with Trump to let Trump think he did it. 

But my point is that most people here just default to "Trump had zero to do with that" with very little to zero to factually back that up. The response is always the same. "he watches tv all day". Yes, yes, I understand context and who we're talking about. But that doesn't work in every individual instance. 

I think he's a tool. But not everyone in his admin is. and even a tool who knows/thinks he knows what he wants can still get shit done. 

There’s a little thing called diplomacy. Trump doesn’t have much of it; well, maybe not any. I think Moon has more. 

PJ_Soul

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

The Juggler said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Tiki said:

It's all about reckless HOSTILITY and LYING. 

Trumpito is the answer to a question no one asked, just a sociopath attempting to BULLY people and running his effing mouth, day and day out.  One fucking bad idea after another.  Someone should really stand up to him.  Turns out that CABINET is full of ASSKISSERS.  

He's 50 times worse than W.  Maybe more.  He's been in NIXON territory from the JUMP.  Nothing about Trumpito is NORMAL or has ANY historical precedent.  

I cant wait until January and that POS is IMPEACHED.

No way he is worse than W at this point, especially not 50 times worse lol.  W was the absolute worst; almost a year and half in and I'm still giving Trump a chance.  Again I didn't vote for the guy but I'm pleasantly surprised by him.  
Nixon territory?  What would you identify as Trump's Watergate?
And I highly doubt Trump is going to get impeached in a few months.  The democrats need to get their heads out of their ass and find a good candidate for 2020.

What’s trump’s Watergate??  Say wha?

hahaha.....maybe he meant which one of Trump's major scandals will be his Watergate. Good grief....

Good grief?  I see nothing on here but pissing and moaning when talking about trump. It really isn’t that hard of a question, what will be his watergate?  Is there something out there that will force him to resign?

1. Conspiracy to defraud the United States
2. Obstruction of justice
3. Violation of the Foreign Influence Corruption Act
4. Money laundering
5. Tax evasion
6. Violation of Federal Election Campaign Finance laws
7. Acceptance of foreign campaign donations
8. Perjury, if and when Team Trump Treason speaks to Team Mueller or testifies before a grand jury
9. Failure to answer Team Mueller’s questions by pleading the 5th (“only the guilty plead the fifth.”)

So which one is IT?  And which is worse: trump or pence? I d take trump over pence any day of the week. 

Why would you prefer Trump over Pence? What kind of damage do you think Pence could do in whatever short time he would be in office if Trump were impeached?